Poor coaching by McDermott is becoming a theme

[artmalibu]

This thread is pretty stupid....

 

The coach didnt

• Drop a TD pass
• Miss a TD pass
• Miss a FG 
• Comit a bad PF penalty
• Drop an easy pick

 

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But didn't make a football move (which can include tucking the ball away btw) and didn't have time to do so. Because as he was tucking it away the DB knocked it loose. 

 

You are flogging a dead horse here. There is 0% chance that would have been overturned.

 

Let’s talk about what-if it wasn’t overturned.

 

Would that have been the worse thing?

 

The players were exhausted, it was about to be third down, we need to get in the endzone - would the extended timeout have been good despite the chance they lose the challenge?

 

Perhaps more fitting than calling timeout on the next drive on a random mid-field(ish) first down!

[Bangarang]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

“Control” can’t be an act common to the game since it is another named section (A/B).

 

Gabe had control and 2 feet down.

 

So if he toe taps, then immediately

tosses it to the ref… incomplete?

 

(i’m setting you up)

I’m not sure what you don’t understand. It’s not that complicated. 

[CoudyBills]

11 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

It’s not semantics. That’s the reality of what happened. 

I notice you didn't address the only part that matter.  HOLD ON TO THE ******* BALL

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

A player cannot toe tap and then immediately throw to the ref. Because after the tap he will need to re

 

And there it is.

Yet this just happened 2 years ago and it was ruled a catch. I’ll get the footage when I’m home.

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

I’m not sure what you don’t understand. It’s not that complicated. 

 

I do understand. Not sure that others do, though.

[Victory Formation]

3 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Remember when the Bucs kept getting close with Dungy, then finally had enough and traded for John Gruden.  
Gruden then lead them to a Super Bowl win.

 

Not saying Mcdermott is in trouble, but it’s an example of what has happened in the past with a Championship caliber team.

Nah dude. Beane and McD have built a culture here and an atmosphere that players gravitate to. Look at Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson, they wanted to come back here. Problem is we’ve had injury after injury and we have noob OC/play caller.

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, CoudyBills said:

I notice you didn't address the only part that matter.  HOLD ON TO THE ******* BALL

What is there to address? The defender made a great play to knock the ball out. Ideally I would’ve preferred a TD, obviously, but I’m not going to fault Gabe as if he did something terribly wrong.

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I do understand. Not sure that others do, though.

Clearly you don’t.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

And there it is.

Yet this just happened 2 years ago and it was ruled a catch. I’ll get the footage when I’m home.

 

Please do. Because I am 100% sure it doesn't show what you think it shows.

[Einstein]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Please do. Because I am 100% sure it doesn't show what you think it shows.

 

I’m in the car, but if memory serves correctly it shows exactly that. Player toe taps, takes one step out of bounds and throws it at refs. I remember thinking it was odd. That’s why I was setting you up.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

I’m in the car, but if memory serves correctly it shows exactly that. Player toe taps, takes one step out of bounds and throws it at refs. I remember thinking it was odd. That’s why I was setting you up.

 

One step out of bounds - exactly. That satisfies C. You often hear the rules analyst guys refer to it as "the third foot" which they equate with sufficient time to make a football move if you were in the field. 

 

Edited September 25, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Nelius]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Diggs is great. They need more IMO. It’s Allen, Diggs and then some above average to JAGs out there… coupled with an average to below average starting offensive line that struggles with the running game… and thats why you get a game like today where Josh is doing just about EVERYTHING to will his team to victory. 
 

 

This is unfortunately where I’m at. It was nice to think that Gabe and Knox would become top tier options this season but it just hasn’t happened yet. They’re nice contributors, but this team needs another gamebreaker.

[PrimeTime101]

7 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

This thread is pretty stupid....

 

The coach didnt

• Drop a TD pass
• Miss a TD pass
• Miss a FG 
• Comit a bad PF penalty
• Drop an easy pick

 

hes trolling. no one with a straight head thinks the way he does.

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

I’m in the car, but if memory serves correctly it shows exactly that. Player toe taps, takes one step out of bounds and throws it at refs. I remember thinking it was odd. That’s why I was setting you up.

Sounds like this player to be named later completed the process of a catch. 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

Sounds like this player to be named later completed the process of a catch. 

 

So Gabe simply needed to take one more mini step and then drop it?

[Codyny13]

41 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I am a member of a general NFL forum and they have told me for the better part of a year now that McDermott holds our roster back. I’ve brushed off these comments for some time, but i’m starting to see their point.

 

- 0 and 7 in one score games the last two seasons

 

- Challenging a clear Titans catch last week was indefensible

 

- Not challenging a potential Gabe Davis TD this week was indefensible 

 

- Playing shallow coverage on 3rd and 22, allowing TWO seperate receivers to get open deep, is indefensible

 

- Not having your WR’s ready to go down with enough time to spike the ball

 

- Don’t even get me started on 13 seconds

 

- Our inability to win short yardage situations for several years is indefensible.

 

- We as a team seem to have removed QB sneak from the play book. We never run it. Ever. See this tweet for how I feel about that. Hard to think that’s not a directive from the top, seeing that two separate OC’s refuse to call it.

 

 

-not worried about last year

-not worried about last game (41-7 win)

-Gabe Davis not a TD

-McD doesn’t call the defense

-Doesn’t control whether the WR’s go down or not. They know the drill, Mackenzie said as much, post game.

-13 seconds was last year, again.

-short yardage is a problem, not having 3 starting lineman, including your center, and backup center, who calls out protections doesn’t help.

-QB sneaks arent very sneaky when you have JA. Fins defense was keyed on it all day and our O-line wasn’t winning at the LOS. 
 

Losing a game is tough, and excuses never go over well, but there was 20 reasons the Bills came up short today, none more egregious then the players themselves not being able to make a play when it was there.

i.e.

Gabe Davis dropped TD

JA mis-firing to McKenzie in the EZ

Matt Milano dropping a walk in pick-6

Tyler Bass missing a 38 yard fg

Turning the ball over inside your own 10

 

At 1 point we were down 10/22 starters. Your not gonna win every week, and as fans we’ll question everything when we’re hurting, but let’s keep things within reason.

[PrimeTime101]

trolls will be trolls

[SCBills]

There were two mistakes, I thought…

 

Not going for it on 4th and 4, up 3

 

Rushing 3 on 3rd and long, coming off the heels of getting pressure on Tua

 

Horrible feel for the game flow on both of those.   He couldn’t foresee Bass missing the FG, but weird things like this happen when you turtle up.  
 

End of the day though.. players didn’t execute.  There’s obviously reasons for that, but Allen had an open TD schemed up.. missed the throw.  Gabe, looking about 50% out there, dropped a TD.  Dialed up a deep shot deep in our own end and guys missed their block on Allen’s blind side and sack/fumble giving the Dolphins 1st and Goal.  
 

This game was NOT on the coaches.  The rushing 3 bull**** needs to stop though.  Legit losing patience for that. 
 

Edited September 25, 2022 by SCBills

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

trolls will be trolls

 

What a time to be alive. Anyone who has an opinion different than your own is a “troll”.

[CSBill]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

What a time to be alive. Anyone who has an opinion different than your own is a “troll”.

Or, a Democrat. 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

So Gabe simply needed to take one more mini step and then drop it?

 

If he had taken another step while maintianing possession then I think yes the chances are it would have been called a touchdown on the field and reviewing would have been academic anyway. 

 

There is an inconsistency in the NFL rulebook - I will grant you this - that a running back can lose control of the ball a millisecond after he has broken the plane of the goalline and it is a touchdown regardless. But for a catch in the endzone the usual catch rules apply. I get why it is that way but it is frustratingly inconsistent. 

Edited September 25, 2022 by GunnerBill

[McBean]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

I am a member of a general NFL forum and they have told me for the better part of a year now that McDermott holds our roster back. I’ve brushed off these comments for some time, but i’m starting to see their point.

 

- 0 and 7 in one score games the last two seasons

 

- Challenging a clear Titans catch last week was indefensible

 

- Not challenging a potential Gabe Davis TD this week was indefensible 

 

- Playing shallow coverage on 3rd and 22, allowing TWO seperate receivers to get open deep, is indefensible

 

- Not having your WR’s ready to go down with enough time to spike the ball

 

- Don’t even get me started on 13 seconds

 

- Our inability to win short yardage situations for several years is indefensible.

 

- We as a team seem to have removed QB sneak from the play book. We never run it. Ever. See this tweet for how I feel about that. Hard to think that’s not a directive from the top, seeing that two separate OC’s refuse to call it.

 

 

I’ll say it until he proves me wrong…

 

He isn’t going to lead us to a Super Bowl. He’s the wrong guy for this team. Record in close games and clock management proves this.

 

He single handily cost us a super bowl last year with his absolute idiotic coaching with 13 seconds left in a football game.

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If he had taken another step while maintianing possession then I think yes the chances are it would have been called a touchdown on the field and reviewing would have been academic anyway. 

 

There is an inconsistency in the NFL rulebook - I will grant you this - that a running back can lose control of the ball a millisecond after he has broken the plane of the goalline and it is a touchdown regardless. But for a catch in the endzone the usual catch rules apply. I get why it is that way but it is frustratingly inconsistent. 

 

So one more toe tap makes up for an act common to the game?

 

This all seems so ridiculous.

[HappyDays]

When people make threads saying that they like losing, believe them.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

I am a member of a general NFL forum and they have told me for the better part of a year now that McDermott holds our roster back. I’ve brushed off these comments for some time, but i’m starting to see their point.

 

- 0 and 7 in one score games the last two seasons

 

- Challenging a clear Titans catch last week was indefensible

 

- Not challenging a potential Gabe Davis TD this week was indefensible 

 

- Playing shallow coverage on 3rd and 22, allowing TWO seperate receivers to get open deep, is indefensible

 

- Not having your WR’s ready to go down with enough time to spike the ball

 

- Don’t even get me started on 13 seconds

 

- Our inability to win short yardage situations for several years is indefensible.

 

- We as a team seem to have removed QB sneak from the play book. We never run it. Ever. See this tweet for how I feel about that. Hard to think that’s not a directive from the top, seeing that two separate OC’s refuse to call it.

 

 

 

 

51-32

[Nuncha]

It's one loss with a ton of players out.  We weren't going 17-0.  We will lose 2-3 more regular season games so prepare yourself now.

[TheCockSportif]

The problem for me with this loss is that it's BBFS all over again.  JA17 is the reason why this game wasn't awful overall, but not sure about the coaching, not sure about the game plan, and most certainly the number of mistakes were off the chart.

 

I've seen this type of game over and over -- over the decades -- and it's hopefully not a harbinger this time around.  You hope for the best, and I know it's game 3 and all, but that effort, injuries and all, wasn't good today.  At all.

[Mrbojanglezs]

McDermott is a good coach but I don't think he is a coach that will win multiple Superbowls maybe not even one. We may look back 10 years from now and regret it 

[Big Turk]

How many coaches would have had their team not only in position to win but also pretty much dominate the game with their entire starting secondary out, 2 DTs out, and their starting C.

 

Then lose a starting CB, replace him with a PS rookie for over half the game, go down to your 3rd strong center, lose 4 other OLine players and have them playing positions they never have before.

 

90% of teams in this league would have gotten blown out, not been in position to win.

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

So one more toe tap makes up for an act common to the game?

 

This all seems so ridiculous.

 

It is about the time that takes. But yes, that is the rule

 

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

I am a member of a general NFL forum and they have told me for the better part of a year now that McDermott holds our roster back. I’ve brushed off these comments for some time, but i’m starting to see their point.

 

- 0 and 7 in one score games the last two seasons

 

- Challenging a clear Titans catch last week was indefensible

 

- Not challenging a potential Gabe Davis TD this week was indefensible 

 

- Playing shallow coverage on 3rd and 22, allowing TWO seperate receivers to get open deep, is indefensible

 

- Not having your WR’s ready to go down with enough time to spike the ball

 

- Don’t even get me started on 13 seconds

 

- Our inability to win short yardage situations for several years is indefensible.

 

- We as a team seem to have removed QB sneak from the play book. We never run it. Ever. See this tweet for how I feel about that. Hard to think that’s not a directive from the top, seeing that two separate OC’s refuse to call it.

 

 

The play to Gabe in the endzone wasn't going to be overturned.  The problem on 3rd and 22 is we only rushed 3 guys.  We were getting pressure on Tua all day.  If anything we should have blitzed 5 and given him no time to get the ball way downfield.  I was livid at that defense.  

[SCBills]

I will say that watching Dorsey react made me wish he was our HC.  
 

This team is good enough to be aggressive at all times, and I don’t get the vibe from him that he’d be kicking a ton of FG’s and letting Frazier rush 3 with a secondary full of puppies out there. 
 

That said … McDermott had them ready to play.  That was a gutsy effort given the circumstances.   The mistakes that lost the game were player caused. 
 

 

Edited September 25, 2022 by SCBills

[jethro_tull]

DO YOU HAVE A SOLUTION?  

[Utah John]

By the end of the game, Josh was not Josh.  I don't know if it was the heat, or watching all his teammates struggle with the heat, or his hurt hand.  The Josh we know doesn't blow the throw to McKenzie that would have won the game.  I am not criticizing him, I'm sort of applauding his courageous attempt to overcome everything, but mostly I'm saying we all need to relax.  The conditions of the game, traveling to southern Florida on a short week after all these injuries, in this heat -- and losing by either two seconds of clock time or two points, against a very good opponent -- were the perfect storm, and yet he almost pulled it out.  

 

The Josh we know is the Josh we saw at the start of the game, hitting his first 10 or 11 passes, calmly dissecting the defense.  That guy will be back on the field next week.  

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

and letting Frazier rush 3 with a secondary full of puppies out there

Or maybe he only rushed 3 on many occasions because he had a secondary full of puppies out there who needed all the help in pass pro that they could give them? The Dolphins scored 21 points (including 7 on a very short field turnover) against a horribly depleted defense. I can't say anything negative about how Frazier handled that situation.

[Royale with Cheese]

30 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

What a time to be alive. Anyone who has an opinion different than your own is a “troll”.

When you say things like the Titans have a better roster than the Bills, Jeffrey Simmons is a better defensive player than TJ Watt and Micah Parsons and Allen Robinson is a top 10 WR….it sounds trollish.

[Since1981]

I agree that Josh was a little off by the end. Our best guys on D and O were needing to overcompensate for hell breaking loose prior and then during the game. 

[Utah John]

Some questions --

 

Could the Bills have given EVERY player an IV during halftime?

 

Could McKenzie have intentionally fumbled out of bounds on the last play (or would there have been a 10 second runoff)?

[HoofHearted]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

I am a member of a general NFL forum and they have told me for the better part of a year now that McDermott holds our roster back. I’ve brushed off these comments for some time, but i’m starting to see their point.

 

- 0 and 7 in one score games the last two seasons

 

- Challenging a clear Titans catch last week was indefensible

 

- Not challenging a potential Gabe Davis TD this week was indefensible 

 

- Playing shallow coverage on 3rd and 22, allowing TWO seperate receivers to get open deep, is indefensible

 

- Not having your WR’s ready to go down with enough time to spike the ball

 

- Don’t even get me started on 13 seconds

 

- Our inability to win short yardage situations for several years is indefensible.

 

- We as a team seem to have removed QB sneak from the play book. We never run it. Ever. See this tweet for how I feel about that. Hard to think that’s not a directive from the top, seeing that two separate OC’s refuse to call it.

 

 

What is “shallow coverage”?

[MJS]

McDermott is going to be the coach for another decade at least. Get used to it or root for another team.

[RunTheBall]

Anyone blaming the coaches in this L is friggin nutty. Yeah, you’d like to have a couple calls back in retrospect BUT - if the players executed just one of numerous plays that were there to be made, we win. This loss is on the players and the lack of execution. Yes, the coaching could be better but al the points we left on the field were not the result of coaching decisions.