Tua and his sensitive fan base (JA17 Related)

[pigpen65]

Bunch of *****

[RocCityRoller]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

I still believe that Tua's hip injury has affected his ability to drive the ball down the field. If you look at his first couple of seasons at Alabama, his arm looked stronger to me. He has the hip injury, gets to the NFL, and now the total affect of that injury is evident. I don't think he'll ever be the same at this point. Can he be serviceable in a West Coast style of offense? Probably, but he's never going to be a top 15 QB imo. And anyone trying to compare Allen or the throws he makes to Tua and the throws he makes, it's like trying to compare a 2022 Rolls-Royce Phantom to a 1994 Buick Regal. 

I agree. His arm looked stronger in college. That was a bad hip injury. I think it was a year or two ago Josh Allen was working with Palmer on using his core to create more torque on his throws. It seems that kind of work would help Tua generate more zip on his passes. I wonder how much that injury threw off his mechanics, and he is trying to compensate with his arm. Being skittish about getting hit also does not help him set his feet/ platform and exposes his arm more than it should.

 

As for the JA love nationally, we all love it. But let's not pretend that we haven't heard the same about other QBs in the league for decades and been 'that fanbase'. To wit, Nick Wright asked if this is how other fanbases felt when the sports media was gushing over Mahomes and the Chiefs for his first 2-3 seasons. One of the more insightful comments Nick Wright has ever made.

 

I'm thankful for JA and this iteration of the Bills franchise, and try to slow my roll a bit and just take it all in and live in the moment. It's fun having the 'it guy', but I can understand how other fan bases could get turned off by the overwhelming gushing about our boys in blue. None of it means a hill of beans until the Lombardy is brought to Buffalo.

 

 

[Big Turk]

He sure didn't do anything today to make you think he closed the gap any on Allen 

[Green Lightning]

32 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

He sure didn't do anything today to make you think he closed the gap any on Allen 

He was awful today. Second only to Mac Jones for futility. Loved it. 

[Big Turk]

Just now, Green Lightning said:

He was awful today. Second only to Mac Jones for futility. Loved it. 

 

I was watching the game just chuckling to myself that those teams think they stand any chance in the division with them against Allen.

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I was watching the game just chuckling to myself that those teams think they stand any chance in the division with them against Allen.

 

Yup.  And that they'll be looking for new QBs within the next year or two.

[Rick 'r Mortis]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yup.  And that they'll be looking for new QBs within the next year or two.

I hope not 😃

[Royale with Cheese]

I didn’t watch the game, box score looks decent for Tua.  How did he actually play?

[Mark Vader]

On 9/10/2022 at 1:12 PM, GoBills808 said:

Young QBs w question marks are going to get criticized until they start playing above it

Yes, although let's remember that Tua Tagavailoa was celebrated by the sports media when he was drafted, whereas Josh Allen was scorned.

 

Being a Hesiman winner helps too, but he was getting his butt kissed from the start.

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:

Yes, although let's remember that Tua Tagavailoa was celebrated by the sports media when he was drafted, whereas Josh Allen was scorned.

 

Being a Hesiman winner helps too, but he was getting his butt kissed from the start.

That shine of the Heisman has surely worn off by now for most of the media and they've said it. 

 

He has Hill now so he needs to look like he is still a Heisman winner. 

 

He did enough today is my "hot take"

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I didn’t watch the game, box score looks decent for Tua.  How did he actually play?

was going to ask the same. His box score looked like a career day for him. 

[CaliBills]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

was going to ask the same. His box score looked like a career day for him. 

Couple of nice throws but he was still the same Tua.

 

Arm strength is his weakness and cannot really throw if he isn't set perfect with his feet.   His noodle arm reared its head multiple times.

 

Pats had a for sure INT but dropped it and on another throw Hill stripped the ball away from a Pats defender who should have had the pick.  So the stats would have been a bit worse.  

 

 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

was going to ask the same. His box score looked like a career day for him. 

 

He played ok thats all.  He threw wounded ducks that got bailed out and some most accurate 5 yard ducks ever.  Patriots were bad.  Miami is not scarry.

[Warcodered]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I didn’t watch the game, box score looks decent for Tua.  How did he actually play?

Neither team was good, Dolphins out talented the Patriots. Tua looked like Tua.

[Mark Vader]

6 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

That shine of the Heisman has surely worn off by now for most of the media and they've said it. 

 

He has Hill now so he needs to look like he is still a Heisman winner. 

 

He did enough today is my "hot take"

Yes, he did enough today

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

He sure didn't do anything today to make you think he closed the gap any on Allen 

 

Not according to Dolphin fans.. I don't think they realize their offense only scored 13 points. 

[Buddo]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I didn’t watch the game, box score looks decent for Tua.  How did he actually play?

 

Captain Checkdown.

 

Any time he tried to go any distance, he looked like the underthrew it.

 

His throwing motion looked awful - and that's not just because he's a leftie.

 

I had the game on, but couldn't bring myself to really watch it, as it was pretty awful.

 

Jones was crap too.

 

The best unit on the field, was probably the Cheaters D. Kyle Dugger is for real.

 

Fins D was okay, but Jones either handed them the football, or didn't make the right corrections in blocking, and found himself firmly on his ass.

 

Neither QB worries me in the slightest.

 

The Fins do have weapons in Hill and Waddle though. It's unlikely they will hurt you downfield, Tua either can't really get the football there, or doesn't bother looking, but you do have to make sure they don't get yac, otherwise known as tackling properly.

 

Edmunds brother was also decent, especially as an outlet, although tbh, pretty much every throw Tua attempted looked like a checkdown.

As an aside, it's no wonder evil Bill didn't let Jones throw when the wind blew back in December, as he puts too much air under the football.

 

I'm not so sure that was a coaching masterstroke, as more of a lack of trust in him being able to throw when it's more than a little windy.

[Warcodered]

32 minutes ago, Buddo said:

Captain Checkdown.

and he still got sacked a ton.

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I didn’t watch the game, box score looks decent for Tua.  How did he actually play?

Average. He has to put everything into 20 yard outs.

 

The box score shows Waddle with a 40+yd TD to end the first half. The pass was 15 yards down field and Waddle off to the races after a missed tackle.

 

That is why the Dolphins have Waddle and Hill IMO. Tua labors to get passes 20+ yards downfield, but both of those WRs can break any 10-20 yard pass for an explosive play with YAC.

 

He avoided the big mistake, but was unable to capitalize on Dugger (S) and Phillips (S) being banged up/ missing most of the second half. The Pats game plan was to limit Hill's YAC. It was effective, but Waddle had some good plays.

Edited September 12, 2022 by RocCityRoller

[BillsFan130]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I didn’t watch the game, box score looks decent for Tua.  How did he actually play?

I honestly don't think he played as bad as a lot of people are saying.

 

 I would say he played "ok to descent".

No "wow" throws though, that's for sure.

Edited September 12, 2022 by BillsFan130

[buffalo2218]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I honestly don't think he played as bad as a lot of people are saying.

 

 I would say he played "ok to descent".

No "wow" throws though, that's for sure.

If Tua did anything, he showed how bad the Pats really are. I don't see that kind of performance as a challenge to the Ravens on the road. Teams already know he's gonna take the short stuff all the time and hope for the best on YAC. Anything with long developing routes will get him killed

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

If Tua did anything, he showed how bad the Pats really are. I don't see that kind of performance as a challenge to the Ravens on the road. Teams already know he's gonna take the short stuff all the time and hope for the best on YAC. Anything with long developing routes will get him killed

I think that's a fair assessment.

 

In saying that, He may get bailed out sometimes by mcdaniels QB friendly system and the YAC from hill /waddle/Edmunds 

 

 

 

 

[buffalo2218]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think that's a fair assessment.

 

In saying that, He may get bailed out sometimes by mcdaniels QB friendly system and the YAC from hill /waddle/Edmunds 

 

 

 

 

Yeah that's what they're banking on but once teams get enough tape on what they do, being that one dimensional will kill that offense in a hurry no matter what Hill or Waddle do

Edited September 12, 2022 by buffalo2218

[BillsFan130]

Just now, buffalo2218 said:

Yeah that's what they're banking on but once teams get enough tape on what they do, being that one dimensional will kill that offense in a hurry

Yep I agree.

 

I think "best case scenario " for them, is he turns into Jimmy G and they have a similar offence from the 49ers last year. (Replicating McDaniels offence)

[buffalo2218]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Yep I agree.

 

I think "best case scenario " for them, is he turns into Jimmy G and they have a similar offence from the 49ers last year. (Replicating McDaniels offence)

What I'm finding incredibly funny is people are saying Armstead was such a good signing. If he's playing LT and Tua is left handed, who's protecting Tua's blind side?

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, buffalo2218 said:

What I'm finding incredibly funny is people are saying Armstead was such a good signing. If he's playing LT and Tua is left handed, who's protecting Tua's blind side?

Haha. That's a good point, never even thought about that lol

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I didn’t watch the game, box score looks decent for Tua.  How did he actually play?

 

I saw almost every throw and I didn't see him look beyond his 1st read a single time. Even some of those open 1st read throws he flat out missed. When his 1st read was covered he panicked and either threw a near-interception or took a bad sack and almost coughed up a fumble on one occasion. All of that against a severely undermanned Pats defense. It was flat out a bad game. The stat line is all scheme and skill players making plays. He is a below average game manager and it's all he'll ever be.

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by HappyDays

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

When his 1st read was covered he panicked and either threw a near-interception or took a bad sack and almost coughed up a fumble on one occasion. All of that against a severely undermanned Pats defense.

 

I won't dispute any of that, but the defensive coach on the opposing sideline has some history of doing that to even good QBs.

[HappyDays]

43 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I won't dispute any of that, but the defensive coach on the opposing sideline has some history of doing that to even good QBs.

 

True, but the QB in question also has a history of that. And it's his 3rd year. There's a point where you have to accept that the player is who he is.

[Warcodered]

 

So 1 it wouldn't matter if this were true he looked terrible, and 2 it's not true anyway.

[Blazman11]

That Pats vs Fins game today was like watching the 6-3 Bills v Browns game of what 15 years ago?  Horrendous QB play on both sides.   Tua is pure hot trash though.  Always has been.  He's accurate when his first read is open and only needs to throw the ball 10 yards.  Anything other than those circumstances and he still looks completely lost in year 3.  

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

So 1 it wouldn't matter if this were true he looked terrible, and 2 it's not true anyway.

That is literally not true Josh Allen threw for more yards more TDs and had a better passer rating

 

[Don Otreply]

17 hours ago, H2o said:

I still believe that Tua's hip injury has affected his ability to drive the ball down the field. If you look at his first couple of seasons at Alabama, his arm looked stronger to me. He has the hip injury, gets to the NFL, and now the total affect of that injury is evident. I don't think he'll ever be the same at this point. Can he be serviceable in a West Coast style of offense? Probably, but he's never going to be a top 15 QB imo. And anyone trying to compare Allen or the throws he makes to Tua and the throws he makes, it's like trying to compare a 2022 Rolls-Royce Phantom to a 1994 Buick Regal. 

Yup, that hip/ pelvis, brake/injury in effect, ended his career for the most part, he is unable to use his legs, hips and torso in a fluid throwing motion, he appears to “lurch” ( for lack of a better word)  his upper body forwards when he throws the ball in attempt to create power/velocity, the kid is in denial and so are his coaches and fans. If nothing else he made himself a multi millionaire out of all of this pretending to be a NFL QB over the last two plus years, so in that case more power to him.

[Chandler#81]

5 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

I honestly don't think he played as bad as a lot of people are saying.

 

 I would say he played "ok to descent".

No "wow" throws though, that's for sure.

I completely disagree. 
Here's a “wow” from yesterday!

 

btw, “descent”?? 🤦‍♂️ Yes, Very descent.

Edited September 12, 2022 by Chandler#81

[C.Biscuit97]

Bills fans were just as sensitive about Allen his first couple years. Difference is Allen has legit superstar skills. I think Miami makes the playoffs and Tua has a decent stat year. But there is nothing special about the guy. He is Jimmy G.

[Luka]

Watched a couple third downs from that game. One Tua threw for 5 yards on 3rd and 11, the other he air balled it to no one. There was another longer passing play where he skipped the ball about 6 yards short of the receiver. His receivers make some great plays after the catch.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Luka said:

Watched a couple third downs from that game. One Tua threw for 5 yards on 3rd and 11, the other he air balled it to no one. There was another longer passing play where he skipped the ball about 6 yards short of the receiver. His receivers make some great plays after the catch.

That’s the whole scheme. It’s what the 49ers did with Jimmy G and Deebo. Tua can be successful and win games doing that. But deep down, he is not a special qb.

[Malazan]

Dolphin fans are very excited about their offense scoring 13 points.. which to be fair.. is more than they scored in 2 games against the Bills last year. 

[Luka]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

That’s the whole scheme. It’s what the 49ers did with Jimmy G and Deebo. Tua can be successful and win games doing that. But deep down, he is not a special qb.

3rd down and the red zone is really where you figure out what what kind of player you have at the QB position. The scheme can be successful, certainly. I just don't see Tua making the kind of elite throws you see Mahomes, Allen, Herbert or Burrow making. That leaves a team like the Phins on the outside looking in. 

[Malazan]

46 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Bills fans were just as sensitive about Allen his first couple years. Difference is Allen has legit superstar skills. I think Miami makes the playoffs and Tua has a decent stat year. But there is nothing special about the guy. He is Jimmy G.

Honestly, Bills fans are just as sensitive about Allen now. Difference is, Allen is a legit superstar. I don't think Miami makes the playoffs and Tua has a mediocre stat year. There is nothing special about him. He is not quite Jimmy G. 😉