Extend Po Now - Protect the Culture

[MarlinTheMagician]

Having cleared cap space with the Schnowman, it is time to extend Po.  From what I can tell he has universal respect in the locker room and he is a warrior.  Extending Po would give the team a boost and help purge the Ariaza situation.  I believe it would be a boost for the locker room and the fan base.  Not saying be crazy, but I am sure he wants to get something done and finish what he has started here.  Could be a real win-win.

[Saint Doug]

Who’s Po? Can he hold?

[Rc2catch]

I would disagree. Most of the other players probably don’t care if he gets paid. It’s not like he’s playing for pennies. Not trying to shade him and I’m not particularly passionate if they extend him or don’t. But over the next few years there’s gonna be a ton of players who give it their all and want more money. Can’t pay everyone everytime they want more. 

[Rigotz]

I agree that the Bills need a positive distraction prior to the beginning of the season...

 

but is giving a 31 year old Safety a huge raise the best way to do that? Personally, I want to see Poyer play out his final year, then decide.

 

Let's not get desperate when we don't have to.

[StHustle]

Not so sure it makes cap sense to extend him. Eventually some guys will have to walk and safety is a position we have very promising young players at. I also don’t like how he went and got Drew “show me the money” Rosenhaus as his agent cause we definitely can’t afford to make him one of the top paid safeties as I’m sure Drew will demand.

[RiotAct]

7 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

Who’s Po? Can he hold?

one of the Teletubbies, I believe

[MarlinTheMagician]

Didn't say 

3 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

I agree that the Bills need a positive distraction prior to the beginning of the season...

 

but is giving a 31 year old Safety a huge raise the best way to do that? Personally, I want to see Poyer play out his final year, then decide.

 

Let's not get desperate when we don't have to.

Didn't say give him a "huge" raise.  There should be a middle ground that makes Poyer happy, secures his services beyond this year and provides a positive boost for the room.  Takes a potential distraction and makes it a win.  No need to compromise our future to extend him a year and give him a raise for 2022.

[SoMAn]

Not sure, but the Bills were already looking for ways to get under the cap and have some funds in reserve for the inevitable injury events. 
Now, they unexpectedly have to pay for a second punter (probably a veteran)and I assume still have to pay something to Araiza. 
 

[SCBills]

Love Poyer as a person and player, but tough decisions need to be made with the Allen contract hitting. 
 

Poyer is one of them.  He walks after the season. 
 

Singletary is another.  He walks after the season. 
 

Also, I think one of Edmunds and Milano remains.  Either Edmunds walks or Milano is traded.  
 

Hopefully no hard feelings.  We simply can’t pay big money to a Safety, Running Back and both Linebackers. 
 

Hamlin, Benford and Jaquan Johnson (if re-signed) or a draft pick compete for the S spot opposite Hyde. 
 

Moss, Cook and a draft pick or low level FA take over at RB.  Maybe Blackshear if he can stay stashed on our PS this year. 
 

Bernard bumps up to starter and/or we draft a linebacker. 
 

At least that’s my opinion.. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Poyer is awesome but I think what he would be looking for, and deserves, is too much for us at his age and the others we needto sign….I think we let him walk. 

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

I agree that the Bills need a positive distraction prior to the beginning of the season...

 

but is giving a 31 year old Safety a huge raise the best way to do that? Personally, I want to see Poyer play out his final year, then decide.

 

Let's not get desperate when we don't have to.

Where did he say he wanted a huge raise?  
 

i think he’d re up for 11-12 in gtd 2023 salary.  If he thinks he’s getting multiple years gtd at his age, he’s likely gotten some bad advice.  
 

 

[HamSandwhich]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Poyer is awesome but I think what he would be looking for, and deserves, is too much for us at his age and the others we needto sign….I think we let him walk. 

Tough pill to swallow but I think this is the case. 

[John from Riverside]

18 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Having cleared cap space with the Schnowman, it is time to extend Po.  From what I can tell he has universal respect in the locker room and he is a warrior.  Extending Po would give the team a boost and help purge the Ariaza situation.  I believe it would be a boost for the locker room and the fan base.  Not saying be crazy, but I am sure he wants to get something done and finish what he has started here.  Could be a real win-win.

The guys play is so poor he can’t even afford the OR it’s just po

[Simon Says]

1 hour ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Didn't say 

Didn't say give him a "huge" raise.  There should be a middle ground that makes Poyer happy, secures his services beyond this year and provides a positive boost for the room.  Takes a potential distraction and makes it a win.  No need to compromise our future to extend him a year and give him a raise for 2022.

There won't be a lot of money available THIS year,and as others have pointed out,he will be another year older in 2023 and NOBODY pays a safety tandem like the Bills would be.

I don't believe making POYER happy erases the stink of the Araiza scandal. There is no logical correlation.

Bills need to "examine" THEMSELVES and their process to figure out how tney got to this point. 

Edited August 28, 2022 by Georgie

[Matt_In_NH]

They freed up money so they can be compliant this year.  There is probably space to do something.  Extending Poyer with big money is probably not it.  Knox and Oliver are higher up the food chain for their age.  

[Beast]

No. Draft and develop there. Worry about Ed Oliver, Knox and Edmunds. Not in that specific order but they come first.

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Having cleared cap space with the Schnowman, it is time to extend Po.  From what I can tell he has universal respect in the locker room and he is a warrior.  Extending Po would give the team a boost and help purge the Ariaza situation.  I believe it would be a boost for the locker room and the fan base.  Not saying be crazy, but I am sure he wants to get something done and finish what he has started here.  Could be a real win-win.

He's 31 and and has shown a history of extremely physical play. It is more likely than not he peaked or will peak this season, it's also very possible, perhaps even likely, his descent from the mountain will not be slow and graceful. This is a business. I don't find it surprising he was one of the few on outside looking in as far as extensions. 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Hyde is on the books in 2023 for $10.8 million.  Probably could have Poyer for about the same.  Not buying Johnson as the equivalent, and you would have to pay him to start.  Not buying Hamlin as the equivalent either.  Though I like both.  No reason they can't afford Poyer one more year.

[Sargent Hulka]

Disagree, Poyer and Hyde were on the field during those "13 seconds", we're they not? They're both getting by on reputation at this point. I'd rather draft a big hitting, Leonard Smith, Steve Atwater type safety that opposing receivers have to think about. 

[BarleyNY]

29 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I would disagree. Most of the other players probably don’t care if he gets paid. It’s not like he’s playing for pennies. Not trying to shade him and I’m not particularly passionate if they extend him or don’t. But over the next few years there’s gonna be a ton of players who give it their all and want more money. Can’t pay everyone everytime they want more. 

Players do notice whether or not a team pays players that have earned it. That definitely matters to them and their agents and it impacts contracts and negotiations. Poyer has earned it. He should get paid accordingly. 

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Hyde is on the books in 2023 for $10.8 million.  Probably could have Poyer for about the same.  Not buying Johnson as the equivalent, and you would have to pay him to start.  Not buying Hamlin as the equivalent either.  Though I like both.  No reason they can't afford Poyer one more year.

 

 

There are a number of reasons..........like the contract extensions of pending UFA Dawson Knox and extension-eligibles Ed Oliver and Gabriel Davis after this season.

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Players do notice whether or not a team pays players that have earned it. That definitely matters to them and their agents and it impacts contracts and negotiations. Poyer has earned it. He should get paid accordingly. 

 

 

They've been paying him and already worked his contract multiple times.    

 

Fans have a misconception that how other players contracts are handled matters greatly to the locker room.

 

They worry about how THEY themselves get paid and largely ignore whether someone else is being compensated equitably.

[BarleyNY]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

They've been paying him and already worked his contract multiple times.    

 

Fans have a misconception that how other players contracts are handled matters greatly to the locker room.

 

They worry about how THEY themselves get paid and largely ignore whether someone else is being compensated equitably.

The other player do not care how much Poyer gets paid so much as they  care about whether or not the Bills will step up if they outperform their contract. I’m not saying that this is something that will derail the season or anything, but this kind of thing impacts contract negotiations. The only real potential for issues this season is if it impacts Poyer’s play. For example, some players would not want to play through injury and put bad tape out there just prior to hitting FA. 

[TPS]

19 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Players do notice whether or not a team pays players that have earned it. That definitely matters to them and their agents and it impacts contracts and negotiations. Poyer has earned it. He should get paid accordingly. 

While he's earned it, players also understand it's a business and teams can't pay everyone who has earned it, especially after their franchise QB earned and received it.

[Rc2catch]

22 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Players do notice whether or not a team pays players that have earned it. That definitely matters to them and their agents and it impacts contracts and negotiations. Poyer has earned it. He should get paid accordingly. 

You’re not wrong, but he’s also been rewarded once for his play. 

[MarlinTheMagician]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

They've been paying him and already worked his contract multiple times.    

 

Fans have a misconception that how other players contracts are handled matters greatly to the locker room.

 

They worry about how THEY themselves get paid and largely ignore whether someone else is being compensated equitably.

He is not under contract for next year, and he is not holding out this year.  Just sign him for next season and give him some security. 

[LabattBlue]

Poyer

Edmunds

Hyde

Davis

Knox

 

 

You can’t keep them all.  If it was up to me…I’m starting with the weapons needed to make Josh successful….Knox and Davis.  Both negotiations in the off-season.  
 

I let Poyer and Edmunds walk after this season, and sign Hyde to a short term deal.

Edited August 28, 2022 by BTB

[BarleyNY]

5 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

You’re not wrong, but he’s also been rewarded once for his play. 

He did get his 2020 contract. His restructure last year was just a salary cap move though. He did not get a raise. 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

Think it's time to move on, seems like Poyer wants to max his last contract out. More power to him, he has to do what's right for his family.

[mushypeaches]

45 minutes ago, Sargent Hulka said:

Disagree, Poyer and Hyde were on the field during those "13 seconds", we're they not? They're both getting by on reputation at this point. I'd rather draft a big hitting, Leonard Smith, Steve Atwater type safety that opposing receivers have to think about. 

 

While you're at it, build that time machine so you can go back to 1991 when that was the kind of safety that teams actually wanted

[BringBackFlutie]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Poyer is awesome but I think what he would be looking for, and deserves, is too much for us at his age and the others we needto sign….I think we let him walk. 

 

I agree with this. I don't think his age is a concern as a safety though. He's probably got another 5 years in him. He's absolutely worth the money, but maybe just not for us.

[LabattBlue]

10 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

 

While you're at it, build that time machine so you can go back to 1991 when that was the kind of safety that teams actually wanted

Yes!   Also, no on wants a LB who can tackle and make game changing plays.  In todays game, give me one with a big wing span who can stand in the middle of the field doing nothing. 
 

/sarcasm off

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

one of the Teletubbies, I believe

You just gave me nightmares of when my three were babies.  Bla bla bla goes through the door.  Ugghh.  At least Barbie was kind of cute.  I was much happier when the boys got into Annoying Orange, SpongeBob, and Family Guy.

 

Im just hopeful my kids when they have kids have to endure the same Sadist punishment.  Man, I love my kids.

[Rigotz]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Where did he say he wanted a huge raise?  
 

i think he’d re up for 11-12 in gtd 2023 salary.  If he thinks he’s getting multiple years gtd at his age, he’s likely gotten some bad advice.  
 

 

 

Coming off an All-Pro season where he's currently the 20th highest paid safety at $9.75M/Yr ...

 

You don't think he'd want to be paid at least top 10? Top 10 is $13M/Yr.

 

Harrison Smith is 32 years old and making $16M per year, by the way.

 

All of this is a moot point because Poyer isn't holding out and is fine to play out the season. It would be a panic move and isn't necessary.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

34 minutes ago, BTB said:

Poyer

Edmunds

Hyde

Davis

Knox

 

 

You can’t keep them all.  If it was up to me…I’m starting with the weapons needed to make Josh successful….Knox and Davis.  Both negotiations in the off-season.  
 

I let Poyer and Edmunds walk after this season, and sign Hyde to a short term deal.

AirBNB, don’t forget Oliver if we’re talking over two years, but whole heartedly agree with you’re two and Oliver.  I’m confident with these new DTs and Von, and year 2 with Rousseau, we are going to see a great year for Oliver.

[mushypeaches]

6 minutes ago, BTB said:

Yes!   Also, no on wants a LB who can tackle and make game changing plays.  In todays game, give me one with a big wing span who can stand in the middle of the field doing nothing. 
 

/sarcasm off

 

Sorry chief, if your main criteria in a high-quality safety is punishing and most likely, illegal hits, then I'm not sure if we're watching the same game here in good old 2022

[Johnny Hammersticks]

I’d love for a Poyer extension, but I feel like he’s going to want (and deservedly so) much closer to the “market rate” than Buffalo can afford and still extend young guys like Oliver and Knox.  
 

If what he’s asking for is going to be cost prohibitive salary cap wise, let him walk after his contract expires.  Johnson and Hamlin are good young safeties.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Rigotz said:

 

Coming off an All-Pro season where he's currently the 20th highest paid safety at $9.75M/Yr ...

 

You don't think he'd want to be paid at least top 10? Top 10 is $13M/Yr.

 

Harrison Smith is 32 years old and making $16M per year, by the way.

 

All of this is a moot point because Poyer isn't holding out and is fine to play out the season. It would be a panic move and isn't necessary.

 

 

I hear ya.  I don’t think anyone is going to pay him huge money and he wants to stay here. Getting guaranteed money is often what the older players want. Maybe 13M…. I don’t see them giving him more than that. 

[LabattBlue]

10 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

AirBNB, don’t forget Oliver if we’re talking over two years, but whole heartedly agree with you’re two and Oliver.  I’m confident with these new DTs and Von, and year 2 with Rousseau, we are going to see a great year for Oliver.

I knew I forgot someone…and yes I would include Oliver, over Poyer and Edmunds. 👍🏻

Edited August 28, 2022 by BTB

[machine gun kelly]

Just now, BTB said:

I knew I forgot someone…and yes I would included Oliver over Poyer and Edmunds. 👍🏻

I hope you didn’t mind the pun.  It was with luv brother.  Yeah, I think we have the three we need.  Benford might be Edmunds replacement in time.  Hyde if he understands he is getting older may accept a short extension.  The backup safeties have been good.  They won’t be Dr. Poyer and Mr. Hyde, but the TSW guys have to get used to the fact that our team is so good we will lose some.  
 

Minimize risk, and maximize gains.  I say it often, but in McBeane we trust or at least me.