Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 33 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I think credentialed reporters were told to not disclose as much as they have in the past. Just my thought 14 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I don’t mind the filler stories, as long as it’s accompanied by deep football coverage. Doesn’t even have to be detailed to give away team secrets, just good reporting. You would think with the amount of dedicated Bills fans out there and the current technology that exist, we would get better breakdowns. I mean we can’t even get total breakdown stats of players on the field. Would be nice to see how many WR’s got targets/reception during practice. Their approx YAC. Etc etc. I know reporters can't discuss formations etc, not sure if receptions, targets, other stats also falls into the no reporting list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I know reporters can't discuss formations etc, not sure if receptions, targets, other stats also falls into the no reporting list. It would be nice to know those kind of details. Nobody is even reporting on the reporting do’s and don’t. I dunno, I guess I just generally feel disappointed in media in general, I feel like the lack of true reporting is a lost art. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Cover1 and Astro are the only ones really even trying. Compared to other major teams, our camp reports leave a lot to be desired. Far cry from the jp losman days when it felt like an entires practice worth of highlights was shown lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsSbSoon said: Far cry from the jp losman days when it felt like an entires practice worth of highlights was shown lol I understand the secrecy aspects of things. But even then, I’m not fully convinced that some undercover dude couldn’t just easily infiltrate a practice and take detailed notes for some other team. I don’t really think it matters all that much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alphadawg7 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So everyone else gushing about Allen and the offense today and Thad still not impressed and not to his expectations still. Has anyone ever seen Thad Brown and Nick Wright in the same place at the same time? 🤔 Edited August 7, 2022 by Alphadawg7 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 41 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Cover 1 doesn't make that mistake. Ouch, the burn, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: So everyone else gushing about Allen and the offense today and Thad still not impressed and not to his expectations still. Has anyone ever seen Thad Brown and Nick Wright in the same place at the same time? 🤔 Wish people would stop posting Thad stuff. The are definitely homer for and biases against among media. Then there is Thad Brown. Edited August 7, 2022 by Billsflyer12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 27 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I understand the secrecy aspects of things. But even then, I’m not fully convinced that some undercover dude couldn’t just easily infiltrate a practice and take detailed notes for some other team. I don’t really think it matters all that much. You could attend practice and wear recording sunglasses and no one would ever know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said: Wish people would stop posting Thad stuff. The are definitely homer for and biases against among media. Then there is Thad Brown. i think he fills the Mike Rodak role very nicely 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 All the people saying there aren’t good camp reports this year: y’all just don’t know where to look. Joe Buscaglia and Matt Parrino and Cover 1 are all pumping out daily camp reports and details. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: So everyone else gushing about Allen and the offense today and Thad still not impressed and not to his expectations still. Has anyone ever seen Thad Brown and Nick Wright in the same place at the same time? 🤔 Perhaps he forgets that against every other team the offense will look amazing since our defense is so good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Perhaps he forgets that against every other team the offense will look amazing since our defense is so good? The Bills have fielded quite a few bad offenses when they had good defenses during the drought..............playing against a more talented defense than they face on Sundays has never moved the needle for those offenses though. When an OL can't block anyone consistently..........putting them against a Von Miller only compounds the issue. The gains are to be had in places where the difference in talent lined up across from each other is modest. A guy like Quessenberry for instance isn't going to be sharpened by playing against Miller.........Quessenberry lined up against good pass rushers in practice in TN and then allowed the most sacks in the league in games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: The Bills have fielded quite a few bad offenses when they had good defenses during the drought..............playing against a more talented defense than they face on Sundays has never moved the needle for those offenses though. When an OL can't block anyone consistently..........putting them against a Von Miller only compounds the issue. The gains are to be had in places where the difference in talent lined up across from each other is modest. A guy like Quessenberry for instance isn't going to be sharpened by playing against Miller.........Quessenberry lined up against good pass rushers in practice in TN and then allowed the most sacks in the league in games. None of those teams you mentioned had future first ballot HOFer Josh Allen playing QB. For as bad as people want to say the OLine was last year, Allen was sacked the same amount as the year before...26 times, in one extra game. That's a very low number. Like 1.5 per game. People need to stop overreacting to what they see in training camp when they are intentionally moving players all over the line to cross train for flexibility and see who can play where if they need to reshuffle things during the year or have injury issues. Edited August 7, 2022 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 47 minutes ago, Logic said: All the people saying there aren’t good camp reports this year: y’all just don’t know where to look. Joe Buscaglia and Matt Parrino and Cover 1 are all pumping out daily camp reports and details. I listen to the Parrino podcast every day and the locked on bills, both keep me up to date 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I listen to the Parrino podcast every day and the locked on bills, both keep me up to date What is Matt Parrino’e podcast called? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: 3rd best day but not anywhere near expected... hard to know wtf Thad is talking about anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, TBBills said: 3rd best day but not anywhere near expected... hard to know wtf Thad is talking about anymore. Perfect day for the offense as they won every 1v1, 7v7 and 11 on 11 drills. McKenzie did sneeze at one point during practice so not getting my hopes up - Thad Brown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of a K-Gun Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: What is Matt Parrino’e podcast called? Shout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YattaOkasan Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: That very well could be the case. I don’t fault them if that is true. Even then, they could at least be better with the overall play by play. Sure we will get major TD alerts or big play developments, but it still seems like they could talk a little bit more on what is going on. It’s been pretty quite. I mean I get it, practice isn’t really that exciting, but there are some of us that live and breath this stuff. I need as much filler as possible to get me through daily drives and work. I can’t even find a totally dedicated podcast with everything Bills. Sure Brown and Tasker have a good program, but you would think there would be others out there that would talk more about the Bills. Some channels exist, but most of it is basic chatter and random discos that go off in tangents. Joe Marino is everyday for the whole year. Fills my drives well. He doesn’t have any camp insight but like how he breaks down what others are saying. Also cover 1. 13 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said: Shout. I go for Ryan talbot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I mean we can’t even get total breakdown stats of players on the field. Would be nice to see how many WR’s got targets/reception during practice. Their approx YAC. Etc etc. I was at camp today, I go once a year, and it would be ridiculous to post stats like you're asking for. Every time I go I'm reminded how difficult it is to get a true read on things, although the various commentators that cover the team do their best. The players are constantly switching out, there's not always full effort or tackling, the practice situations vary wildly - nothing about training camp is conducive to building momentum like you would in a real game. Plus it's hard to watch a live play once and follow everything that's happening. The best I can do is choose to focus on one specific player or matchup. Preseason is more helpful because at least we can watch live game reps and go back to rewatch different players in their matchups. Training camp observations are mostly just helpful for figuring out where players rank on the depth chart and how certain players are being used. 5 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 6 hours ago, hemma said: Someone should tell Saffold to take those shoulder pads off. seriously, dude looks like a bodybuilder 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I was at camp today, I go once a year, and it would be ridiculous to post stats like you're asking for. Every time I go I'm reminded how difficult it is to get a true read on things, although the various commentators that cover the team do their best. The players are constantly switching out, there's not always full effort or tackling, the practice situations vary wildly - nothing about training camp is conducive to building momentum like you would in a real game. Plus it's hard to watch a live play once and follow everything that's happening. The best I can do is choose to focus on one specific player or matchup. Preseason is more helpful because at least we can watch live game reps and go back to rewatch different players in their matchups. Training camp observations are mostly just helpful for figuring out where players rank on the depth chart and how certain players are being used. Best post. Too many people trying to monetize observations on issues they they nothing about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 52 minutes ago, TBBills said: 3rd best day but not anywhere near expected... hard to know wtf Thad is talking about anymore. And then says Diggs and Davis couldn’t be stopped. So weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: And then says Diggs and Davis couldn’t be stopped. So weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: So everyone else gushing about Allen and the offense today and Thad still not impressed and not to his expectations still. Has anyone ever seen Thad Brown and Nick Wright in the same place at the same time? 🤔 “Decent day for the O. Probably 3rd best day at camp’”. 3rd best day was decent. Lol. I guess I can’t really say much, I haven’t seen any of them. Maybe he’s right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 53 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Joe Marino is everyday for the whole year. Fills my drives well. He doesn’t have any camp insight but like how he breaks down what others are saying. Also cover 1. I go for Ryan talbot I’ve been listening for Marino for years…..but I think I’m over him. Not due to lack of quality, but voice and delivery has worn on me. that said, I’ve been listening to all of the good (and some bad) bills podcasts for awhile now and I have the same feeling for many of them. Sadly, bad voices + delivery outweighs good content for me at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Wiz Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’ve been listening for Marino for years…..but I think I’m over him. Not due to lack of quality, but voice and delivery has worn on me. that said, I’ve been listening to all of the good (and some bad) bills podcasts for awhile now and I have the same feeling for many of them. Sadly, bad voices + delivery outweighs good content for me at this point. He's always driving a point home when there is no point to make. How was dinner last night? Joe: I gotta tell you, it was reeealllly good. The meatballs had a special kick to them, I don't know what they did but they stepped out up a notch in my book. Edited August 7, 2022 by The Wiz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: The Bills have fielded quite a few bad offenses when they had good defenses during the drought..............playing against a more talented defense than they face on Sundays has never moved the needle for those offenses though. When an OL can't block anyone consistently..........putting them against a Von Miller only compounds the issue. The gains are to be had in places where the difference in talent lined up across from each other is modest. A guy like Quessenberry for instance isn't going to be sharpened by playing against Miller.........Quessenberry lined up against good pass rushers in practice in TN and then allowed the most sacks in the league in games. 17 covers up for a mediocre OL and will continue to do so this year and for another 5-8 years while his athleticism is still elite. If the Bills can find a way to field a top 5 OL at some point. Allen could obliterate passing records 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: None of those teams you mentioned had future first ballot HOFer Josh Allen playing QB. For as bad as people want to say the OLine was last year, Allen was sacked the same amount as the year before...26 times, in one extra game. That's a very low number. Like 1.5 per game. People need to stop overreacting to what they see in training camp when they are intentionally moving players all over the line to cross train for flexibility and see who can play where if they need to reshuffle things during the year or have injury issues. The Bills OL was the worst pass blocking unit in the league for much of the season and ultimately finished 29th in pressures allowed..........the final month of the season where the Bills ran Allen like a RB is the only thing that saved them from being dead last. Poor blocking was the biggest culprit in their stunningly disappointing 7-6 start to the season. There is no sugar coating it. Sacks allowed are a stat that the QB himself plays a big part in.........the pressure allowed is not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of a K-Gun Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’ve been listening for Marino for years…..but I think I’m over him. Not due to lack of quality, but voice and delivery has worn on me. that said, I’ve been listening to all of the good (and some bad) bills podcasts for awhile now and I have the same feeling for many of them. Sadly, bad voices + delivery outweighs good content for me at this point. I’m with you here…I also find that it is hard to listen when it is just one person on the pod, lacks the back and forth rapport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, julian said: 17 covers up for a mediocre OL and will continue to do so this year and for another 5-8 years while his athleticism is still elite. If the Bills can find a way to field a top 5 OL at some point. Allen could obliterate passing records In order for that to happen, they will need to pass on defense in the first round and take an elite lineman that is cost controlled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I was at camp today, I go once a year, and it would be ridiculous to post stats like you're asking for. Every time I go I'm reminded how difficult it is to get a true read on things, although the various commentators that cover the team do their best. The players are constantly switching out, there's not always full effort or tackling, the practice situations vary wildly - nothing about training camp is conducive to building momentum like you would in a real game. Plus it's hard to watch a live play once and follow everything that's happening. The best I can do is choose to focus on one specific player or matchup. Preseason is more helpful because at least we can watch live game reps and go back to rewatch different players in their matchups. Training camp observations are mostly just helpful for figuring out where players rank on the depth chart and how certain players are being used. I feel like it could be done provided you had a team of about 3-5 who know what to look for and coordinate pass downs. You would need at least one person who could take audio of observations or type extremely fast. You would probably need at least 2 guys with binoculars to round off any details that might be missed with casual observations due to the fast nature of switching out as you mentioned seeming how recordings aren’t allowed right? There is no way 1 or even 2 people could handle a camp report properly for the information I’m looking for. It could be done, but I don’t think many people are willing to do what it would require. Not much financial reward for such effort given the amount of money it would likely take to get the exotic reports many crave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, The Wiz said: He's always driving a point home when there is no point to make. How was dinner last night? Joe: I gotta tell you, it was reeealllly good. The meatballs had a special kick to them, I don't know what they did but they stepped out up a notch in my book. So true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said: I’m with you here…I also find that it is hard to listen when it is just one person on the pod, lacks the back and forth rapport. He’s also on the Draft Dudes podcast which is 3 guys and exceptional imo . Marino has guests from time to time on locked on bills. Locked on NFL is a great one too, there are always at least two guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alphadawg7 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 42 minutes ago, NewEra said: “Decent day for the O. Probably 3rd best day at camp’”. 3rd best day was decent. Lol. I guess I can’t really say much, I haven’t seen any of them. Maybe he’s right You missed the part where he said "not anywhere near expected"...on the same day where all the other buzz was people gushing about Allen carving everyone up. Just saying, Thad is always less positive than everyone else. Its almost like it pains him to give praise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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