What a Tuel Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: low is one thing, but Watson is making almost nothing in base salary, that’s not common. (For example, when Josh signed his extension they lowered his 2022 cap hit to 16mil but he’s still making 4mil base salary) Another thing I just put together is the fact that Cleveland has the most cap space in the league by about 20mil. Wouldn’t it benefit them to front-load a big contract at this point? Its indefensible from every angle I can think of. It is indefensible, they signed him at all costs including ensuring effect of suspension is minimal. There is language in the contract that protects his signing bonus, so the fact that the browns did or didnt write the contract to benefit Watson and his situation is not really debatable. It just isn't really about the first year base salary being low. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/18/source-deshaun-watson-deal-carves-out-potential-impact-of-suspension-for-pending-allegations/ Quote When seeing that the Browns would give quarterback Deshaun Watson a five-year, $230 million fully-guaranteed contract, my first thought was that the guarantees mean nothing if/when Watson is suspended over the allegations made against him last year. All teams use language voiding guarantees if a player is suspended. Also, all teams include standard signing-bonus default language in the event the player misses games for which he has received advance compensation in the form of a signing bonus. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Watson deal carves out the current situation, insulating Watson from having the remaining guarantees void or from owing any bonus money back to the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 11, 2022 Author Share Posted August 11, 2022 So a starting QB who got dumped by their team because he was good but not good enough and coming off an injured shoulder - where have I seen that before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: oh, he'd accept a slight increase, how magnanimous of him. 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 On 8/10/2022 at 2:23 PM, Doc Brown said: A low base salary in the first year of a contract is pretty common. It's the unawareness of what the optics makes it look like is why the Browns are the Browns. Oh they are very aware of it which is why they did it. To ensure if Watson is suspended he loses as little money as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 54 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Oh they are very aware of it which is why they did it. To ensure if Watson is suspended he loses as little money as possible. Myles Garrett got a 1.035 million dollar base salary his first year his extension kicked in on his 125 million dollar deal. The exact same Watson got. Stafford's base salary this year is 1.5 million on his 4 year 160 million dollar deal. Prescott got 2.5 million on the first year of his contract on basically the same deal. Murray will have only a 2 million dollar base salary the first year his extension kicks in. You get my point. GM's do this he reason they do this to build salary cap space to allow them flexibility in the future. Regardless, I hope the Browns aren't dumb enough to realize how that would look optically but I wouldn't put it past them. Maybe they thought they could use the argument I just presented to justify them safeguarding him financially against a suspension hoping the public would buy it. Either way they're idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) I recommend the Clockwork Orange method. He’s a serial perv. Edited August 12, 2022 by Chandler#81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 15 hours ago, Warcodered said: oh, he'd accept a slight increase, how magnanimous of him. 🙄 He knows he is about to get slammed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 15 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Dude is lucky he didnt face criminal charges but he will "accept" and 8 game suspension and 5 mil fine. Lol, you'll accept what you get perv. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytownblofan Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 15 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Bet you he's wishing he would have taken the settlement talks more seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 who cares what he's willing to accept. the NFL isn't asking.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 57 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: who cares what he's willing to accept. the NFL isn't asking.. Watson isn't big on asking either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 8 hours ago, Big Turk said: Oh they are very aware of it which is why they did it. To ensure if Watson is suspended he loses as little money as possible. I'm actually glad the Browns give him more money. That's more money out of their dumb pockets and less to spend on players. The NFL will levy a good fine to lighten Watson's wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 An Ankle Monitor for a year might be a nice, added touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 So is this scumbag actually going to get to play tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: So is this scumbag actually going to get to play tonight? I kinda hope he does. Not sure how much of a crowd is going to show up to a Jaguars preseason home game, but I would guess that even at half capacity, the amount of booing Watson will receive will be notable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 18 hours ago, Warcodered said: oh, he'd accept a slight increase, how magnanimous of him. 🙄 It really is, considering he doesn't believe he's done anything wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: I kinda hope he does. Not sure how much of a crowd is going to show up to a Jaguars preseason home game, but I would guess that even at half capacity, the amount of booing Watson will receive will be notable. Maybe the Jaguars will use this is a way to sell tickets. For every set of a tickets a banner with handholds comes included while available. Choices of banners: Hands off pervert! The word no means "NO!" Next PT will Castrate in self defense 6'2" Dingus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: I kinda hope he does. Not sure how much of a crowd is going to show up to a Jaguars preseason home game, but I would guess that even at half capacity, the amount of booing Watson will receive will be notable. I'm dumbfounded as to why Watson and the Browns would want to play him. If he is suspended for the year, it's meaningless to give him snaps. The risk they take is what happens after he steps onto the field. IF the "twitter-verse" explodes and the story gets legs, it could spill out of the sports media world into the mainstream media. Having this "discussed" on morning news shows and women's afternoon talk shows will not make the NFL and them look good at all. Add the AMTA Convention coming to Cleveland in a week or two. If they play him and it does turn stupid, then I hope they reap all the bad press and not the NFL in general. The idiots should just lay low, but it seems Watson and the Browns are going to go down swinging the "He didn't do anything wrong" position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 I don’t normally wish injury on players but I would find it funny if he played, got injured in the game, and missed games to injury didn’t count against the suspension coming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: He said on PFT live that he thinks it'll be in the 4-5 PM range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: He said on PFT live that he thinks it'll be in the 4-5 PM range. Imagine that. It would be just before Watson takes the field for warmups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Imagine that. It would be just before Watson takes the field for warmups. like a big neon middle finger to good old 'shaun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scott7975 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Delaying a ruling for possible settlement seems to me just a ploy so that Watson can play today. If Watson wanted to settle he should have tried to do so earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Forgive my ignorance but what exactly is there to settle? The NFL has total say at this point I thought? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Why did the NFL and the NFLPA agree to have this settled by a third party and when the penalty comes down, the NFL doesn't accept the third parties ruling ? Was the third party ruling a sham ? ...Was the penalty purposely set low to make the NFL look good by protesting the ruling and upping the penalty ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Forgive my ignorance but what exactly is there to settle? The NFL has total say at this point I thought? To avoid federal courts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Forgive my ignorance but what exactly is there to settle? The NFL has total say at this point I thought? They do but may want to avoid Watson's camp bringing a federal lawsuit against them. Watson's goal should be to avoid a year long suspension so his contract won't get pushed back a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: It really is, considering he doesn't believe he's done anything wrong! Serious question. Has Watson or his defense team ever explained why he had 60 or so massage therapists? Edited August 12, 2022 by Billy Claude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: Why did the NFL and the NFLPA agree to have this settled by a third party and when the penalty comes down, the NFL doesn't accept the third parties ruling ? Was the third party ruling a sham ? ...Was the penalty purposely set low to make the NFL look good by protesting the ruling and upping the penalty ? No. The judge could've ruled that the NFL didn't present enough evidence to warrant a suspension. Watson would've gotten zero games and there's nothing the NFL could've done about it. Edited August 12, 2022 by Doc Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, Billy Claude said: Serious question. Has Watson or his defense team ever explained why he had 60 or so massage therapists? Since there were only 4, or 5 maybe, cases that the NFL investigated, my guess is he could only be asked about those specific ones. 31 minutes ago, DCOrange said: To avoid federal courts 29 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: They do but may want to avoid Watson's camp bringing a federal lawsuit against them. Watson's goal should be to avoid a year long suspension so his contract won't get pushed back a year. I understand that part of it but hasn't federal court usually washed their hands of most of these things and tell them to "clean up your own house"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I understand that part of it but hasn't federal court usually washed their hands of most of these things and tell them to "clean up your own house"? Usually. Does the NFL want to take that chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 51 minutes ago, Billy Claude said: Serious question. Has Watson or his defense team ever explained why he had 60 or so massage therapists? In a nutshell..."he likes the strange." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 20 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Usually. Does the NFL want to take that chance? He's going to serve 6 games in either event so the worst case scenario is that Watson only gets 6 games if the federal court hears the case and sides with Robinson on the punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Wiz said: He's going to serve 6 games in either event so the worst case scenario is that Watson only gets 6 games if the federal court hears the case and sides with Robinson on the punishment. The NFL pry doesn't want him on the field week 7 along with a federal lawsuit hanging over the NFL all season. Twelve or more games with a hefty fine would avoid that headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: Delaying a ruling for possible settlement seems to me just a ploy so that Watson can play today. If Watson wanted to settle he should have tried to do so earlier. I honestly want to see him play today to face the boos that will (hopefully) rain down on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Too bad the Browns aren't playing in Philly tonight. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The NFL pry doesn't want him on the field week 7 along with a federal lawsuit hanging over the NFL all season. Twelve or more games with a hefty fine would avoid that headache. You would think that the Watson camp wouldn't want it either. Imagine they take the lawsuit and then sometime late in the season they decide to agree with the NFL and he ends up serving the remaining 11 games but it's already week 15-16-17 whatever. That would mean those game checks he's going to lose are going to be from his year 2 contract that are only 3454x more than he would lose this year if he just took the full season (and yes, that is a made up number but I know it will be more than the ~300k he will lose as of now). Edited August 12, 2022 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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