Von Miller’s path to Bills in first foray into free agency: ‘Buffalo just chose me’

[Bills92]

5 hours ago, Gugny said:

I can't tell you how many times someone at work has given me their notice and when I talk them into staying, they still end up leaving in less than a month.

 

Why?

 

Because the reason they gave their notice in the first place was because they didn't really want to be there.

 

This article concerns the hell out of me.  My biggest takeaway is that Beane and Co., had to talk Miller into signing.  He clearly admits that Buffalo was not his first choice and that he was having serious second thoughts.

 

I hope this ends well.

 

I've experienced this as well and you're right, it usually does not end up well.  But I have experienced where it works out really well...  hoping that's what happens here

 

What I think as fans, we should appreciate is that  Von Miller is just a little bit of a different cat and is giving us way more insight compared to most big name players would provide in the decision making process in free agency.  It would be actually interesting to know if Von's experience isn't much different then many other big name free agents.. but like most athletes today, they are programmed to say what people want to hear vs. the truth.

 

Many of you may have read this article from back in 2016.. but we are not dealing with your average 'dude' here....

 

https://www.theringer.com/2016/7/26/16077616/von-miller-denver-broncos-best-and-weirdest-nfl-player-c12a434c9bc8

 

Go Bills!

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

9 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

You don't get out much, or you are blind, to what Buffalo has to offer.

In any case, you are not at all familiar, with the City of Buffalo. 

For what purpose, were the 'weeks' that you spent there? Sounds like Bull¢h!tt, to me...

 

Not sure about his experience, but always was great the times I went. Honestly most ppl I've came across didn't have anything bad to say really. There were a few that were young and said it wasn't enough for them to do, but that's about it.

 

Anyways, I have always thought highly of Buffalo 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

18 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

You don't get out much, or you are blind, to what Buffalo has to offer.

In any case, you are not at all familiar, with the City of Buffalo. 

For what purpose, were the 'weeks' that you spent there? Sounds like Bull¢h!tt, to me...

I don't begrudge you for being proud of your city. I get it. But if the league started from scratch and picked locations to have NFL teams based on the quality and size of the city, Buffalo would have no chance. That's just the reality. The Falls are the only thing that make it a place any random person might want to visit.

 

I'm from one of the most economically depressed metros in the entire United States, and Buffalo feels just like it.

 

To answer your question though, I've been to the city countless times and stayed in it on multiple occasions just to explore and find what it has to offer. My conclusion is that there's nothing special to be found and it really is a pretty depressing place. I'd rather stay in the surrounding areas that are nicer and ignore the city, because the city is pretty embarrassing as far as cities go.

 

I do know what I'm talking about. Have you ever seen those "Mark each thing you've done in Buffalo" things on social media? I score higher than some locals on that stuff. I've made a conscious effort to get around.

Edited July 7, 2022 by Giuseppe Tognarelli

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I don't begrudge you for being proud of your city. I get it. But if the league started from scratch and picked locations to have NFL teams based on the quality and size of the city, Buffalo would have no chance. That's just the reality. The Falls are the only thing that make it a place any random person might want to visit.

 

I'm from one of the most economically depressed metros in the entire United States, and Buffalo feels just like it.

 

To answer your question though, I've been to the city countless times and stayed in it on multiple occasions just to explore and find what it has to offer. My conclusion is that there's nothing special to be found and it really is a pretty depressing place. I'd rather stay in the surrounding areas that are nicer and ignore the city, because the city is pretty embarrassing as far as cities go.

 

I do know what I'm talking about. Have you ever seen those "Mark each thing you've done in Buffalo" things on social media? I score higher than some locals on that stuff. I've made a conscious effort to get around.

 

How old are you? Just wondering if you might be a younger age that gets bored easily and wants more to do and if that may be part of the reason?

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

How old are you? Just wondering if you might be a younger age that gets bored easily and wants more to do and if that may be part of the reason?

 

Maybe he works at Applebee’s and got sick of Dave & Buster’s?  

 

I’ve stayed downtown on game weekends, but I never knew it as a kid from the suburbs who left as a 17 year old. I found downtown to be just fine, and I love the strip along Main Street in Williamsville. Still, I know some young people would prefer Manhattan or Buckhead (as my son’s buddies did after college). For me personally, more is not always better. I prefer Buffalo traffic and summers to Atlanta’s! 

[Augie]

Just now, BUFFALOBART said:

I've lived, and worked, in Manhattan, FWIIW. People who denigrate Buffalo, are standing on thin ice. It's nothing short of ignorance, really...

 

My wife technically works out of Manhattan and I would join her from time to time (pre-Covid). There were things we loved, then there was the rest. If it’s for you, fine! Not for me. The wife actually turned the job down until they caved on “must live in NYC”. 

 

We visited Chicago in the days before the home opener last year. I hadn’t been to Chicago in decades, but it was so much nicer and cleaner than most of Manhattan. I know, all big cities have their good and bad, but the difference was striking. And I would never want to live in Chicago, either. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

To me the weird thing is that this story keeps being brought back up

 

Has to be the 4th maybe 5th time since he signed here that this is a story 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

3 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

If Buffalo was a European City, (I have traveled to a number of European cities) it would be a 'must see'. Suggestion: Don't come back. Why burden yourself, ferchrissake.....?

I'll be back. I love Buffalo because of the Bills, and I find the inferiority complex/pride of Buffalonians endearing.

3 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

How old are you? Just wondering if you might be a younger age that gets bored easily and wants more to do and if that may be part of the reason?

I'm 33 and an old soul. Maybe I'm missing something. Can someone share what makes Buffalo special or a nicer city than any other?

[Draconator]

7 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I'm 33 and an old soul. Maybe I'm missing something. Can someone share what makes Buffalo special or a nicer city than any other?

I may have to agree with you that the city limits do have something to be desired. There is the Elmwood Strip which is vibrant. Chippewa which is a young person party spot. (I wouldn't want to be walking down Chippewa at 12:30 am on a Saturday night at 55. Too peoplely.) BUT, the surrounding areas is what makes Buffalo, Buffalo. My band played Music on Main tonight in Williamsville. Great turnout, great vibe! Buffalo is one of those places where you can leave the city limits and be in the suburbs in mere minutes, or in the county within a half an hour. There are a lot of advantages to living in the Buffalo AREA. If I need me some downtown, it's relatively a short drive compared to other cities. If I want the country, same short drive. 

[BADOLBILZ]

12 hours ago, Warcodered said:

It's the first year here in Buffalo and the season hasn't even started yet, every time he does interviews or gets asked questions he's going to get asked about the process of coming here, I really don't get why people are letting this bug them.

 

You don't get it because you were a fair weather Broncos fan not that long ago.......it's very different here in WNY.........this is the way a lot of Bills fans have always been.

 

It's why Adam Schefter called Bills fans a "mafia" when they were illogically attacking anyone who criticized the ridiculous behavior of Stevie Johnson after he single handedly blew a game against Pittsburgh with multiple drops and then blamed......God.

 

There isn't the broad and friendly sense of humor about a largely moribund franchise that some similarly championship deficient organizations have.......like the Cubs prior to 2016, for instance.

 

We joke amongst ourselves but a large % of Bills fans are HIGHLY defensive about any perceived negative press going national.

 

It's one thing to not agree with Bills fans not being better sports..........but to not get it?    That's the first sign that you ain't from around here. 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I don't begrudge you for being proud of your city. I get it. But if the league started from scratch and picked locations to have NFL teams based on the quality and size of the city, Buffalo would have no chance. That's just the reality. The Falls are the only thing that make it a place any random person might want to visit.

 

I'm from one of the most economically depressed metros in the entire United States, and Buffalo feels just like it.

 

To answer your question though, I've been to the city countless times and stayed in it on multiple occasions just to explore and find what it has to offer. My conclusion is that there's nothing special to be found and it really is a pretty depressing place. I'd rather stay in the surrounding areas that are nicer and ignore the city, because the city is pretty embarrassing as far as cities go.

 

I do know what I'm talking about. Have you ever seen those "Mark each thing you've done in Buffalo" things on social media? I score higher than some locals on that stuff. I've made a conscious effort to get around.

 

 

Green Bay would also not have an NFL team........smaller market than Buffalo.    And probably Pittsburgh as well.    Pittsburgh is not a city often considered threatened because the Steelers are iconic due to their SB history.   But without that prestige........they are the Pirates........who can barely exist financially in MLB despite maybe the best stadium to watch a game from in the league.

 

It's important for the Bills to take advantage of this Josh Allen era to cement a football legacy like GB and Pittsburgh.........as a city people can't imagine without pro football.    A town that has bandwagon fans everywhere.   They've already manage to sneak thru a massive amount of public funding for a stadium that never gets thru with Kyle Orton at QB so they are off to a good start.

[Doc Brown]

12 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Believe it or not this is an honest view on how free agency works. It’s a huge decision and until they sign players likely go back and forth when they have options.

 

Buffalo is not a dream destination for any player. 

Not sure about that as McKenzie said he was willing to play for candy.  Still think Beane should've taken him up on that offer.

12 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

what was OBD backup plan?   Chandler Jones was already gone by this point.  

Trade for Robert Quinn maybe.  They would've had to restructure some deals to take on his cap hit though.

6 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I'm not from there, but I've spent weeks there recently

I have, many times and for extended periods. I'm very familiar with the city and the surrounding areas. Locals don't want to hear it, but there's nothing special about Buffalo. It's a very dirty, dilapidated, small, hurting city

Have you seen our grain elevators?  Born and raised in Angola (suburb of Buffalo) but I've lived for small periods of time in Oswego, Syracuse, Omaha, Columbus, Northfolk, Miami, Reno, and back to Buffalo.  I managed to maintain the same level of unhappiness in each place. 

[BRH]

9 hours ago, eball said:

 

ok, so I always understood a “direct” flight to be one where you don’t have to change planes to get to your destination.  They can be non-stop or they can stop seventeen times, but as long as you’re staying on the plane it’s a direct flight. 
 

I said “not JUST direct” in my post because I’m sure there’s a greater number of direct flights available between these cities than just the non-stops.  I only pointed out that there are even non-stop flights available to show how ridiculous the author’s premise was. 
 

We okay now?

 

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, BRH said:

ok, so I always understood a “direct” flight to be one where you don’t have to change planes to get to your destination.  They can be non-stop or they can stop seventeen times, but as long as you’re staying on the plane it’s a direct flight. 
 

I said “not JUST direct” in my post because I’m sure there’s a greater number of direct flights available between these cities than just the non-stops.  I only pointed out that there are even non-stop flights available to show how ridiculous the author’s premise was. 
 

We okay now?

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

11 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I don't begrudge you for being proud of your city. I get it. But if the league started from scratch and picked locations to have NFL teams based on the quality and size of the city, Buffalo would have no chance. That's just the reality. The Falls are the only thing that make it a place any random person might want to visit.

 

I'm from one of the most economically depressed metros in the entire United States, and Buffalo feels just like it.

 

To answer your question though, I've been to the city countless times and stayed in it on multiple occasions just to explore and find what it has to offer. My conclusion is that there's nothing special to be found and it really is a pretty depressing place. I'd rather stay in the surrounding areas that are nicer and ignore the city, because the city is pretty embarrassing as far as cities go.

 

I do know what I'm talking about. Have you ever seen those "Mark each thing you've done in Buffalo" things on social media? I score higher than some locals on that stuff. I've made a conscious effort to get around.

A lot of people forgave your people for Mussolini, probably because of the delicious pasta and Sophia Loren. 
 

This goes beyond the pale. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

8 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I'll be back. I love Buffalo because of the Bills, and I find the inferiority complex/pride of Buffalonians endearing.

I'm 33 and an old soul. Maybe I'm missing something. Can someone share what makes Buffalo special or a nicer city than any other?

I've heard the beef weck sandwich is incredible although I've never had one

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

4 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I've heard the beef weck sandwich is incredible although I've never had one

No one's going to be surprised to hear this from me, but it's not. It's not even as good as a French dip from Arby's. Every time I take a new person to Buffalo and they excitedly try the beef on weck, they're always disappointed because it's not anything special. There's a reason it hasn't left the Buffalo area. And before anyone says "You haven't had a proper one! You need to get one at X place!" -- I've tried ALL the top famous places and some lesser-known places.

[Not at the table Karlos]

40 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I've heard the beef weck sandwich is incredible although I've never had one

It's not anything special. I have no idea why people act like it is. 

[muppy]

20 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Believe it or not this is an honest view on how free agency works. It’s a huge decision and until they sign players likely go back and forth when they have options.

 

Buffalo is not a dream destination for any player. 

In the Bills history I remember also one former Bill who did NOT want to play in Buffalo. Circumvented it actually by playing in the USFL first. His name of course is Jim Kelly. Suffice it to say that Buffalo may not be the dream destination for players at first....................Until they actually DO come here. Then suddenly their attitude shifts and it becomes not only their NFL residence but Home. Im not saying that Von Miller will become a lifelong resident of WNY. But what I am saying is I'm not going to judge him for what he has Thought. I will judge him on what he Brings.  He is OUR new piece to the puzzle. 

 

Remember when the Bills lacked an integral piece to the roster and signed a guy named James Lofton and what occurred? I think this guy may well be the current generations "James Lofton". I officially just got chills.

 

m 

[muppy]

14 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I'm not from there, but I've spent weeks there recently

I have, many times and for extended periods. I'm very familiar with the city and the surrounding areas. Locals don't want to hear it, but there's nothing special about Buffalo. It's a very dirty, dilapidated, small, hurting city

you must really dislike Buffalo.  Buffalo doesn't need me to defend it. You see what you see and the rest of us all will continue to see it through our rose colored glasses @-@ . 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, muppy said:

In the Bills history I remember also one former Bill who did NOT want to play in Buffalo. Circumvented it actually by playing in the USFL first. His name of course is Jim Kelly. Suffice it to say that Buffalo may not be the dream destination for players at first....................Until they actually DO come here. Then suddenly their attitude shifts and it becomes not only their NFL residence but Home. Im not saying that Von Miller will become a lifelong resident of WNY. But what I am saying is I'm not going to judge him for what he has Thought. I will judge him on what he Brings.  He is OUR new piece to the puzzle. 

 

Remember when the Bills lacked an integral piece to the roster and signed a guy named James Lofton and what occurred? I think this guy may well be the current generations "James Lofton". I officially just got chills.

 

m 

 

Isiah McKenzie said he would play here for candy.  

[Shaw66]

I grew up in Buffalo, haven't lived there since 1970.   I live in Connecticut and go to Buffalo eight times a year.  I love Buffalo.

 

But to be honest about, Buffalo offers very little of the attractions of a big city.  It simply isn't vibrant like Boston or New York or Austin or Seattle.   If you're looking for urban excitement, Buffalo is not it, by a long shot.  Yes, it plays above its league with the Albright-Knox, but the big cities have two or three or five museums its equal.  

 

What Buffalo has is character.   People are, as the nickname suggests, good neighbors.   There's a togetherness, a helpfulness, a genuine caring for one another that you don't get in the big cities.   That's why Bills fans are so great.   Los Angeles and Atlanta and Dallas don't have fans like that.   You do get that feeling, however, throughout the midwest.  Milwaukee feels like that, and Indianapolis, and plenty of other places.   So, Buffalo isn't unique.  

 

When I read what Miller said, it seems clear to me that although he likes the bright lights of LA, and he liked being in Denver, he likes Dallas because it's home.   He doesn't care about Dallas, he cares about that plot of land and his family.   He chose Buffalo for a lot of reasons, including the chance to win again, but I think one of the reasons (although he didn't say it) was that he understood from players he talked to and on his visit that Buffalo is a place that can feel like home.   It's quiet, friendly, welcoming, and for some people, including Josh, they will tell you that they want that kind of environment.   It's not a great city in terms of being on some list of the ten best cities in America; it's a place where it's easy to feel at home. 

 

And, frankly, I don't know what some of you folks are talking about.   I've taken several people, to Schwabl's, people who have never been in Buffalo,  and just about all of them say that's the best sandwich they've ever had.  Ever.  They talk about it years later.  

 

[Kwai San]

22 hours ago, aceman_16 said:

The Athletic is my only virtual subscription. Their articles are written well and are top notch imo.

 

Me too and I am a cheap Bastid!!  Great articles.....coming up on my first renewal and I am not even gonna flinch.

[BuffaninSarasota]

3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

No one's going to be surprised to hear this from me, but it's not. It's not even as good as a French dip from Arby's. Every time I take a new person to Buffalo and they excitedly try the beef on weck, they're always disappointed because it's not anything special. There's a reason it hasn't left the Buffalo area. And before anyone says "You haven't had a proper one! You need to get one at X place!" -- I've tried ALL the top famous places and some lesser-known places.

sorry, but you lost me w/ any comparison to Arby's

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

7 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

And, frankly, I don't know what some of you folks are talking about.   I've taken several people, to Schwabl's, people who have never been in Buffalo,  and just about all of them say that's the best sandwich they've ever had.  Ever.  They talk about it years later.  

 

Very interesting. I went to Schwabl's as my final attempt to understand the beef on weck thing, and it was one of the worst ones I've ever had. Cold, flavorless. Maybe it was a bad day.

[Augie]

9 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Buffalo (obviously) has Major league sports, great architecture, a world class symphony orchestra, great restaurants, museums, etc., etc. If that doesn't satisfy you, drive 90 miles to the North, to Toronto.

The rest of upstate NY cities, pale, in comparison to Buffalo.

 

A family friend living here in Atlanta (Buckhead, for her) just got a guided tour by a Buffalo native she was visiting in WNY. He had it all planned out and made the most of 4 days seeing what you listed and more. 

 

She grew up in Florida, lives in Atlanta and had lived and worked in NYC, DC and across Europe. I’m not saying WNY is all that, but she had reasonable expectations which were definitely exceeded.  She saw stuff I’VE never seen, and she was very impressed. 

 

I can appreciate the offerings of the GIANT cities, but I’m more comfortable in a medium size town.  I’ve actually looked at WNY real estate out of general curiosity, but also wondering if that might ultimately be our “beat the heat” summer/fall location. 

[JoeF]

When I tell people I "grew up (until I was 11)" in Buffalo there is almost an intimidation factor.  It's like I survived the worst of hell.  I know its their image of the weather..constant blizzards, unbearable cold, all that crapola. 

 

This narrow and uninformed perspective consistently makes me more proud of my hometown.   I don't get defensive.  I acknowledge the weather is not the best in winter and joke that with climate change Buffalo will have a San Diego-like climate "soon". I also tell folks about the pride that current residents and ex-pats have for Buffalo. The weather doesn't define us but our grit, determination, willingness to help others, the Bills, Wings, our unique mix of arts and hard nosed hockey and football do.  I think what Buffalo has is somewhat unique (Saint Paul where I live now, parts of Boston, Milwaukee all have it to a degree).  Its a pride that only comes from folks generally thinking its a hell hole but from personal experience knowing better. 

 

Its a pride that comes from knowing that its a community that helps people out of a snow bank, that every Bills tailgate is open invitation, that every summer sunset on the lake is spectacular, that even during the dead of winter the neighborhood watering hole will be open.  

 

Dan Pompei did a great job on this story.  Von Miller is a spectacular addition on paper and appears ready to deliver on the field.

Edited July 8, 2022 by JoeF

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

"The top famous places".

Indeed.

All of your comments about Buffalo, are non specific.

I doubt that you have ever set foot inside the city.

Well, now you've poked the bear.

 

Let's see what I can remember off the top of my head...

I stayed at 36 Laurel Street for my honeymoon.

On another trip, my wife and I stayed in a house at the end of a cul-de-sac near Depew but I can't remember the address.

I've stayed at Salvatore's Garden Place (a steamy weekend with an ex-lover), Staybridge Suites, Adam's Mark when it used to be Adam's Mark, and probably a dozen other hotels or Airbnbs in the south towns. Oh, and the Holiday Inn Express by the airport has good bacon.

I've toured UB, walked around Delaware Park, know the Walden Galleria inside and out, walked the length of Bird Island Pier, sailed at sunset on the waterfront, enjoyed a show at Buffalo Iron Works, attended a craft show at Buffalo RiverWorks, loved Mulberry many times, toured the Martin house, been to Niagara Falls 12 times, prefer the West Ferry Street La Nova to the other one, am a Wingnutz fan, have been to Duff's in Depew so many times I can smell the bathroom right now, think Dave & Adam's kind of sucks, have tried beef on weck at Charlie the Butcher, Schwabl's, Duff's, and many other places I can't remember right now, prefer Bagel Jay's to Public Espresso, love Wegmans' chunky guacamole, and know that Mardee's in Clarence has a hell of a cinnamon roll.

 

And I almost forgot. I got a tattoo on Elmwood and I think the Jim's SteakOut in Allentown rocks.

Edited July 9, 2022 by Giuseppe Tognarelli

[london_bills]

I get a slight Mario Williams vibe from the guy

[BillnutinHouston]

On 7/7/2022 at 11:31 AM, Logic said:

The "he was gonna back out" angle is a new addition to the story. 

 

Disagree that it was a new angle.  He disclosed that at the time he signed.

 

[Rico]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Well, now you've poked the bear.

 

Let's see what I can remember off the top of my head...

I stayed at 36 Laurel Street for my honeymoon.

On another trip, my wife and I stayed in a house at the end of a cul-de-sac near Depew but I can't remember the address.

I've stayed at Salvatore's Garden Place (a steamy weekend with an ex-lover), Staybridge Suites, Adam's Mark when it used to be Adam's Mark, and probably a dozen other hotels or Airbnbs in the south towns. Oh, and the Holiday Inn Express by the airport has good bacon.

I've toured UB, walked around Delaware Park, know the Walden Galleria inside and out, walked the length of Bird Island Pier, sailed at sunset on the waterfront, enjoyed a show at Buffalo Iron Works, attended a craft show at Buffalo RiverWorks, loved Mulberry many times, toured the Martin house, been to Niagara Falls 12 times, prefer the West Ferry Street La Nova to the other one, am a Wingnutz fan, have been to Duff's in Depew so many times I can smell the bathroom right now, think Dave & Adam's kind of sucks, have tried beef on weck at Charlie the Butcher, Schwabl's, Duff's, and many other places I can't remember right now, prefer Bagel Jay's to Public Espresso, love Wegmans' chunky guacamole, and know that Mardee's in Clarence has a hell of a cinnamon roll.

 

And I almost forgot. I got a tattoo on Elmwood and I think the Jim's SteakOut in Allentown rocks.

No Mighty Taco?!? 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

45 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I can easily look up local businesses too

😂 Come on, man.

17 minutes ago, Rico said:

No Mighty Taco?!? 

Not as good as Taco Bell

[Augie]

29 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

😂 Come on, man.

Not as good as Taco Bell

 

Is it maybe close?

 

Do you have any things in your life you are happy about? 

[chongli]

23 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Green Bay would also not have an NFL team........smaller market than Buffalo.    And probably Pittsburgh as well.    Pittsburgh is not a city often considered threatened because the Steelers are iconic due to their SB history.   But without that prestige........they are the Pirates........who can barely exist financially in MLB despite maybe the best stadium to watch a game from in the league.

Your post made me go look up the size of NFL cities/markets. I was quite surprised one site listed New Orleans as smaller than Buffalo! Also surprised that Pittsburgh is bigger than 10 NFL markets:

 

Charlotte

Cincinnati

Las Vegas

Kansas City

Indianapolis

Nashville

Jacksonville

Buffalo

New Orleans

Green Bay

 

This above is according to a Packer's wiki:

 

https://packers.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_NFL_cities_by_number_of_major_professional_sports_franchises

 

This list doesn't jibe with largest US cities by population (where Jacksonville is the 13th biggest city, for example but 29 of 32 on the Packer's wiki list above):

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities

 

So I am not sure how their totals were comprised. Maybe market size instead of city population. I don't have the time to do all the research.

 

But, I have to agree, Pittsburgh is small, by any numbers, and they are lucky to have that franchise.

Edited July 9, 2022 by chongli

[Pete]

I always liked this paraphrased quote-

 

“when players get traded to Buffalo- them and their families cry.  But when they leave Buffalo, players and their families cry harder”

[StHustle]

6 hours ago, chongli said:

Your post made me go look up the size of NFL cities/markets. I was quite surprised one site listed New Orleans as smaller than Buffalo!

Probably has to do with Hurricane Katrina. I know for a fact GB and Buffalo were the two smallest markets at one point.

[stevewin]

On 7/7/2022 at 11:31 AM, Logic said:

Great article.

A fine example of why I find The Athletic to be a highly worthwhile subscription.

The "he was gonna back out" angle is a new addition to the story. Certainly helps explain why he looked like his dog died in his "touring the Bills facility" video.

Credit to Beane and the Bills staff for sealing the deal with a player who was having serious second thoughts. 

My first thought was also that awkward video - the anti-hype video.  I'm surprised they even released it

[That's No Moon]

On 7/7/2022 at 11:44 AM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Honestly, he's said a lot of stuff like this and I feel like it would be good to stop.

Yeah, he needs to be lights out because I dislike him already after these interviews. If he comes out with a four sack season after saying he didn't want to be here and came because of the money, and then repeating it several times, it's not going to go well.

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, chongli said:

Your post made me go look up the size of NFL cities/markets. I was quite surprised one site listed New Orleans as smaller than Buffalo! Also surprised that Pittsburgh is bigger than 10 NFL markets:

 

Charlotte

Cincinnati

Las Vegas

Kansas City

Indianapolis

Nashville

Jacksonville

Buffalo

New Orleans

Green Bay

 

This above is according to a Packer's wiki:

 

https://packers.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_NFL_cities_by_number_of_major_professional_sports_franchises

 

This list doesn't jibe with largest US cities by population (where Jacksonville is the 13th biggest city, for example but 29 of 32 on the Packer's wiki list above):

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities

 

So I am not sure how their totals were comprised. Maybe market size instead of city population. I don't have the time to do all the research.

 

But, I have to agree, Pittsburgh is small, by any numbers, and they are lucky to have that franchise.

 

 

Yeah in terms of geographic TV markets I know that Buffalo is actually quite large..........because it includes Ontario and there isn't another NFL team as close to Buffalo as Pittsburgh is to Cleveland, for example.  Southern Ontario has long been Bills country but It's important to extend that.  That's going to take a long, illustrious career from Josh Allen in Buffalo and good stewardship from ownership, most likely.

[Shaw66]

15 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Very interesting. I went to Schwabl's as my final attempt to understand the beef on weck thing, and it was one of the worst ones I've ever had. Cold, flavorless. Maybe it was a bad day.

Must have been.   The weck has changed over the years and isn't quite as good as it once was but still, most times I go there I'm amazed at how good the sandwich is.  And the second one is as good as the first!  I keep thinking I'll get tired of them, but it hasn't happened yet, and it's been 70 years.