Bills OTAs

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, boater said:

Those apologizing for Poyer's absence won't be so happy when he holds out all of training camp.

 

He hired a cut throat agent. Who lines up against no fool, In Beane We Trust.

 

Beane isn't going to break the bank for a 31 y/o Safety. Besides, the till is empty. Poyer is traded or cut.

They could free up cap space with a restructure. 

[HappyDays]

I didn't know how much I needed a Josh Allen dime until I watched this:

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

5 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Does he deserve a new big time extension is the question.  Does anyone know what Poyer is due to earn this year?  I like Poyer's game.  He is a solid player and leader on our defense.  That being said, he is not some amazingly gifted athlete playing the safety position who has revolutionized the game.  I get that everyone wants financial security.  But not sure he is the guy the Bills are going to throw the Brinks truck at.  Especially since they still have Jacquan Johnson and Damar Hamlin, who the Bills might be high on.

Poyer is at 7.5 mill this year I believe. 23rd or 24th highest paid safety per wgr 

Edited May 25, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[ganesh]

8 hours ago, Putin said:

Tre White is on schedule ? For when is that exactly week 1 ? 

That is a classic McDermott'ism...Give enough information to entice you and yet make it a most meaningless statement!

[boater]

4 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

The NFL is a business. The owners, coaches, players, and their agents all understand that. Not participating during OTAs while a player's contract is unsettled is part of the negotiating process. Poyer certainly understands that. Your characterizations of Poyer pouting, and crying suggest that you don't.

Poyer signed a contract which he hasn't completed. I'm not going to demean someone who thinks not fulfilling a contract is crying or pouting.

4 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

The NFL is a business. The owners, coaches, players, and their agents all understand that. Not participating during OTAs while a player's contract is unsettled is part of the negotiating process. Poyer certainly understands that. Your characterizations of Poyer pouting, and crying suggest that you don't.

Poyer signed a contract which he hasn't completed. I'm not going to demean someone who thinks not fulfilling a contract is crying or pouting.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I didn't know how much I needed a Josh Allen dime until I watched this:

 

 

Inject it in my veins. 

 

[Rocky Landing]

20 minutes ago, boater said:

Poyer signed a contract which he hasn't completed. I'm not going to demean someone who thinks not fulfilling a contract is crying or pouting.

Poyer signed a contract which he hasn't completed. I'm not going to demean someone who thinks not fulfilling a contract is crying or pouting.

Did I miss something? Is someone not fulfilling a contract?

[sven233]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I didn't know how much I needed a Josh Allen dime until I watched this:

 

 

 

You just have to watch this clip and compare it to the one the Dolphins put out with Tua under-throwing Hill at like 35-40 yards after putting everything he had into it to realize that these 2 QBs are miles apart.

[julian]

5 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

Yeah cause every team has all pro safeties on their roster. He is top 5 in his position but not paid as such. Tired of people crying like the NFL is making billions off these guys talents. He deserves his fair share and it reasonable for him to not show up for voluntary practices when he feels he's underpaid. Stop being selfish and only caring about the team and their success like these aren't real humans playing.

I’m a fan of the Bills, I don’t give a damn about the players being upset over money. My opinion of them is formed in how they help the team on the field.

 

 I’ll have get my ass to the factory for 55 years to make what Poyer will earn this year without a new contract. I won’t lose any sleep if he doesn’t get a raise.

 

 If the Bills deem him worthy of a new contract, then great and if they don’t think a new contract works then great.

[BillsShredder83]

12 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

When asked about the energy Jordan and Shaq bring to the team, McD brought up Tim Settle’s name unsolicited as a guy who also compares, meaning he left an undeniable impression. McD said he wants it to stay on the field so it doesn’t become a detriment. Hopefully Settle can be found gold for the Bills, he was behind some real difference makers in Washington.

Can anyone elaborate on this? Seems like a bizarre comment. Is he talking about not taking dumb celebratory penalties, or something else?

11 hours ago, BTB said:

I was asking you, how would you feel if no one showed up?

choosing to ignore all context to the situation is dumb.  if we had a 52 man all-pro roster, where each had done nothing but buy in and preach process to their peers, were all considered underpaid to their market value.... then sure thatd be fine

[BillsShredder83]

10 hours ago, SWATeam said:

The others missing did not just hire Rosenhaus and are probably not in question of holding out. 

then all the better to use his leverage now, as opposed to waiting until were in the thick of things

[The Wiz]

3 hours ago, sven233 said:

 

You just have to watch this clip and compare it to the one the Dolphins put out with Tua under-throwing Hill at like 35-40 yards after putting everything he had into it to realize that these 2 QBs are miles apart.

You:

 

 

 

The guy your girl tells you not to worry about:

 

[BillsShredder83]

49 minutes ago, julian said:

I’m a fan of the Bills, I don’t give a damn about the players being upset over money. My opinion of them is formed in how they help the team on the field.

 

 I’ll have get my ass to the factory for 55 years to make what Poyer will earn this year without a new contract. I won’t lose any sleep if he doesn’t get a raise.

 

 If the Bills deem him worthy of a new contract, then great and if they don’t think a new contract works then great.

How much does your company make by comparison, and how much does your work directly generate for said company? Think they might be mildly different figures at all? Are you top 5 in the world of sweeping floors?

[Chandler#81]

12 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

 

Players have limited ways to leverage into a new deal this is one of them, nothing new. 

Screw the crybaby players. Were they happy to sign their current contract? Did they willingly sign their current contract? Yes? Then STFU and play, dammit. Wal-Mart is hiring.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Chandler#81

[julian]

2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

How much does your company make by comparison, and how much does your work directly generate for said company? Think they might be mildly different figures at all? Are you top 5 in the world of sweeping floors?

I’m all for everybody making as much money as the market dictates, if the Bills feel poyer is worth more money than I’m happy for him to cash in.

 

 My point was that I don’t care either way, if he isn’t worth the pay raise in the eyes of Bills management then so long, next man up.

 

 I just don’t choose to care about millionaire players or billionaire owners concerns over feeding their families. They’re all gonna survive while living luxurious lives.

[nucci]

8 hours ago, boater said:

Poyer signed a contract which he hasn't completed. I'm not going to demean someone who thinks not fulfilling a contract is crying or pouting.

 

This is a voluntary attendance practice and he's not the only player not here

[delirious]

11 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

Yeah cause every team has all pro safeties on their roster. He is top 5 in his position but not paid as such. Tired of people crying like the NFL is making billions off these guys talents. He deserves his fair share and it reasonable for him to not show up for voluntary practices when he feels he's underpaid. Stop being selfish and only caring about the team and their success like these aren't real humans playing.

I frankly don't get either sides of the argument.  Yeah the practices are voluntary, but it's not like the Bills were forcing Poyer to sign the contracts he did.  So Poyer can be upset all he wants, he is suffering the consequences of his own actions by signing the contracts that he did (and that he is still under).  

We'll see what happens when the attendance becomes mandatory.

Edited May 25, 2022 by delirious

[Sierra Foothills]

17 hours ago, SWATeam said:

The others missing did not just hire Rosenhaus and are probably not in question of holding out. 

 

So do the other players not in attendance have a better or a worse reason to not participate than Poyer?

 

 

13 hours ago, Bill Lewes said:

love us some Miller, but #1 in our hearts?    That's a bit

 

 

That was my thought too.

 

We're all super excited about Von Miller being a Bill but saying he's #1 in our hearts is far from accurate. It was a lazy attempt at turning a phrase.

[Not at the table Karlos]

11 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

Barkley may have gotten a head start on the race today.

 

Also beginning of the video reminded me, will Barkley finally get that elusive high five from Diggs he's been looking for?

 

The guy in the grey bills shirts looks kinda like Daboll and lol at Keenum pushing his hand away

[StHustle]

2 hours ago, delirious said:

I frankly don't get either sides of the argument.  Yeah the practices are voluntary, but it's not like the Bills were forcing Poyer to sign the contracts he did.  So Poyer can be upset all he wants, he is suffering the consequences of his own actions by signing the contracts that he did (and that he is still under).  

We'll see what happens when the attendance becomes mandatory.

 

SMH at your logic. He has outperformed his contract. How is he an all pro but not even in the top 20 paid for his position? Guess what happens if a player gets a top 5 contract but plays like the 25th best? The are demanded to take a pay cut or risk being cut and making no more money. How is it ok for that to be routine (teams playing hardball to force pay cuts) but players, who are the reason teams make money, can't take a stand when they outplay their contract???

 

 

Tired of people who think that just because these players make millions they should be satisfied with being underpaid cause a contract signed years back. Things change! That's why a team will switch up on you real quick...despite the contract...will null and void it quick af of they feel youre underplaying what you're paid! Wheres you post condemning that? No instead your a hypocrite like the average fan who is all for that behavior for the sake of your entertainment and having a better team. You care more about a team winning instead of humans fairly compensated for work. Do you complain when the team rakes in toms of extra money from the team being great yet our players collectively make what the Jags are making?? Make it make sense.

[newcam2012]

10 hours ago, boater said:

Poyer signed a contract which he hasn't completed. I'm not going to demean someone who thinks not fulfilling a contract is crying or pouting.

Poyer signed a contract which he hasn't completed. I'm not going to demean someone who thinks not fulfilling a contract is crying or pouting.

I get that but nowadays signing a NFL contract doesn't have the same meaning as years ago. Contracts are consistently restructured and changed. It's become common place. The argument you use clearly loses it validity. 

[newcam2012]

6 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Screw the crybaby players. Were they happy to sign their current contract? Did they willingly sign their current contract? Yes? Then STFU and play, dammit. Wal-Mart is hiring.

I get that what you are saying. It's valid but that's really not the way the current NFL works. A contract is a contract just falls short. Players and teams consistently maneuver their ways around binding contracts. The STFU and play argument just doesn't really apply anymore. 

[nucci]

11 hours ago, boater said:

Poyer signed a contract which he hasn't completed. I'm not going to demean someone who thinks not fulfilling a contract is crying or pouting.

Yet teams can release players before the contract is completed. This is why they want a new one before previous one expires. 

[fergie's ire]

22 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I get that what you are saying. It's valid but that's really not the way the current NFL works. A contract is a contract just falls short. Players and teams consistently maneuver their ways around binding contracts. The STFU and play argument just doesn't really apply anymore. 

Yes, and that is because these are not guaranteed contracts.  If a player underperforms, the team will cut him.  Except for guaranteed money, the contracts are worthless...and that works both ways.  If the player over-performs he wants the contract torn up and replaced.  It's the way the business of the NFL works.  Contracts are not honored on either side and, for the most part, that system works for both sides.

[Sierra Foothills]

3 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

Yes, and that is because these are not guaranteed contracts.  If a player underperforms, the team will cut him.  Except for guaranteed money, the contracts are worthless...and that works both ways.  If the player over-performs he wants the contract torn up and replaced.  It's the way the business of the NFL works.  Contracts are not honored on either side and, for the most part, that system works for both sides.

 

Or, the system sucks and will evolve into something better.

 

On a related note, I don't view NFL players the same way I view MLB or NBA players.

 

It's a very different deal all around for various reasons.

 

Some people fail to understand this distinction.

[newcam2012]

9 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

Yes, and that is because these are not guaranteed contracts.  If a player underperforms, the team will cut him.  Except for guaranteed money, the contracts are worthless...and that works both ways.  If the player over-performs he wants the contract torn up and replaced.  It's the way the business of the NFL works.  Contracts are not honored on either side and, for the most part, that system works for both sides.

Exactly. That's why the argument you signed the contract stop whining doesn't apply for the most part. 

8 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Or, the system sucks and will evolve into something better.

 

On a related note, I don't view NFL players the same way I view MLB or NBA players.

 

It's a very different deal all around for various reasons.

 

Some people fail to understand this distinction.

Most definitely the NFL is unique. I could be wrong but it seems like the MLB and NBA contracts are more traditional and what most see as a binding contracts. 

[Sierra Foothills]

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Most definitely the NFL is unique. I could be wrong but it seems like the MLB and NBA contracts are more traditional and what most see as a binding contracts. 

 

The distinction I refer to also has to do with the differences in the sports, injury risk, catastrophic injury risk, length of career, etc.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

Yet teams can release players before the contract is completed. This is why they want a new one before previous one expires. 

The thing is it’s all agreed to with the CBA. Teams have cap penalties for releasing players and players get fined. Everything is within the CBA. 
 

I think the big problem for players is when they do hold out it hurts the team. When a team releases a player it’s most likely due to the cap or poor play so the release is justified.

 

Poyer and his agent know the Bills have space to sign Poyer. The problem is it likely comes at the expense of another position. Beane said others want deals as well. My guess is Edmunds, Knox, Oliver, and Hyde are also sniffing around for a deal. The Bills absolutely can’t keep all 5. 
 

Hyde is the interesting one in this situation. Hyde and Poyer have matching contracts. Both are equally important and playing at a high level. Hyde is older but if Poyer is getting a huge pay day then Hyde will likely want and deserve more as well. It’s a very tough situation. 
 

I think we’ll see both Hyde and Poyer signed to matching extensions this summer. Edmunds will be the odd man out.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

I get the resentment from us plebs: we don't make silly money and we can't just not show up to work and few of us get "voluntary" days and we don't get our summers off (mostly).

 

But the ability to skip these practices for any reason is bargained for and built in to their contracts for this reason, and was agreed upon by the employers.

 

You can't compare us with them. Fine to be annoyed by it. I totally get that. I have wishes too.

 

But in a practical sense it's a silly comparison.

[wjag]

13 hours ago, ganesh said:

That is a classic McDermott'ism...Give enough information to entice you and yet make it a most meaningless statement!

 

I've stopped listening to McDemott press conferences.  I learn more from reading milk cartons that I learn from him.  He has mastered the art of talking for 10 minutes and saying nothing for 10 minutes.

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

The guy in the grey bills shirts looks kinda like Daboll and lol at Keenum pushing his hand away

The second video is from before Barkley left the team so that is Daboll and isn't Keenum.

[clayboy54]

Worry on about Poyer if you want. I'm disappointed in Saffold not being there. He needs the reps beside new teammates.

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

The guy in the grey bills shirts looks kinda like Daboll and lol at Keenum pushing his hand away

Tweet was from 2020 so pretty sure that was Daboll. Qb was that guy we had last year not from Georgia lol really struggling with names today apparently 

[clayboy54]

Just now, BillsShredder83 said:

Tweet was from 2020 so pretty sure that was Daboll. Qb was that guy we had last year not from Georgia lol really struggling with names today apparently 

Davis Webb.

[Sierra Foothills]

5 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

Davis Webb.

 

He missed his calling as a golf pro.

[HappyDays]

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

14 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Anybody got a dollar? 

[YoloinOhio]

Well looks like he will be in town today 

 

[FilthyBeast]

19 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Love hearing about Basham looking good, albeit just in OTA play. A lot of folks thought he might be the better player in the short term between him and Groot and could be poised for a breakout season.

 

Also Doyle is an intriguing name to watch as he seems to fare well last year in spot duty as a utility type of player.

 

At the end of the day there is going to be some very tough cuts on this final roster.

[Chandler#81]

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I get that what you are saying. It's valid but that's really not the way the current NFL works. A contract is a contract just falls short. Players and teams consistently maneuver their ways around binding contracts. The STFU and play argument just doesn't really apply anymore. 

and I get what your saying -but only in the make believe world of professional sports. Say he gets a job broadcasting college games after he retires from football. The next year, another ex-jock joins the station for more pay. Hold out/don’t show up, you’re OUT.