Deshaun Watson admits under oath that Ashley Solis cried at the end of the massage

[mannc]

16 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

All he has to do is claim his shoulder injury is still bothering him,  simple and effective, and there’s virtually nothing management can do about it, 

Wrong. The team would have him examined by an independent physician. Just saying “I’m hurt” doesn’t cut it.

[aristocrat]

Baker can show every other team he's mentally tough and go play and make the cool 19 mil.  Football guys don't like anyone especially qbs sitting.  

[mannc]

20 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Jacoby Brissett.  He’s not as good as Mayfield can be, but they’d want to avoid any drama associated with Mayfield playing.  Not really a winning scenario there for the FO.  Plus they won’t want to give Mayfield practice reps with the first team.  This assumes a short to moderate suspension.

Brissett is not a real option for more than a couple games…

[Captain Hindsight]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

Baker can show every other team he's mentally tough and go play and make the cool 19 mil.  Football guys don't like anyone especially qbs sitting.  

The last QB that sat out a year got a 236 million dollar deal

[aristocrat]

12 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

The last QB that sat out a year got a 236 million dollar deal

 

From the Browns.

[Don Otreply]

30 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

No he is trying out for his next team. If he plays well he gets a starting opportunity. If he plays like he don't care he is looking at lesser opportunity and a lesser paycheck

Yeah that should be reason enough for Cleveland to trade him, but its looking like they will need him this season so they won't.

 

But other teams will take notice. He needs a new contract next year

Other teams coaches and owners fully understand what is going on in Cleveland, and will not have issue with what they know to be an above average QB talent taking care of himself, they will be pleased to sign him even while he “fully heals” from multiple previous injuries, “nudge nudge wink wink”, imo you’re being a wee bit naive, Mayfield is a multi millionaire at present, his next contract will add more multi millions to his coffers, it’s not like anyone is gonna offer him what you or I make annually.  This being said by someone who is not so much a fan of the guy, he is gonna get paid a lot of money with his next team, period. 

 

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

I can think of $18.9M reasons Mayfield would play for the Browns this season. 

Again I’m willing to bet he doesn’t suit up for the Browns. If they can’t find a trade partner he’ll be released. lm telling you it’s the Jacoby show in Cleveland. Browns blew up that bridge with Baker

Edited May 18, 2022 by BuffaloBills1998

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Other teams coaches and owners fully understand what is going on in Cleveland, and will not have issue with what they know to be an above average QB talent taking care of himself, they will be pleased to sign him even while he “fully heals” from multiple previous injuries, “nudge nudge wink wink”, imo you’re being a wee bit naive, Mayfield is a multi millionaire at present, his next contract will add more multi millions to his coffers, it’s not like anyone is gonna offer him what you or I make annually.  This being said by someone who is not so much a fan of the guy, he is gonna get paid a lot of money with his next team, period. 

 

That’s just not how it works.  Mayfield cannot fake an injury and still get paid $20 million.  Also, I thought the fifth year option was not guaranteed in the case of injury….can anyone confirm that?

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

That’s just not how it works.  Mayfield cannot fake an injury and still get paid $20 million.  Also, I thought the fifth year option was not guaranteed in the case of injury….can anyone confirm that?

Good chance Baker doesn’t see that 20 million from Cleveland. And Mayfield won’t play for them especially after the Browns organization said they want a grown up at QB. Depending on how things play out,  Haslm and company potentially just set the franchise back a number of years

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I believe Roger already said the exempt list isn’t an option in this case. I can’t recall why.

I believe it had to be tied to criminal charges. Once those were off the table, so is the exempt list. At least that’s what I recall reading in an interview with Rog. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Nah. He will play football again. No question. 

He will play for sure, it just won’t be in a Browns uniform

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Good chance Baker doesn’t see that 20 million from Cleveland. And Mayfield won’t play for them especially after the Browns organization said they want a grown up at QB. Depending on how things play out,  Haslm and company potentially just set the franchise back a number of years

Oh yeah? How is Baker “not going to see that $20 million from Cleveland?”  Is the team going to file for bankruptcy?  How is that going to happen, other than a trade, which is highly unlikely at this point?

Edited May 18, 2022 by mannc

[ddaryl]

28 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Other teams coaches and owners fully understand what is going on in Cleveland, and will not have issue with what they know to be an above average QB talent taking care of himself, they will be pleased to sign him even while he “fully heals” from multiple previous injuries, “nudge nudge wink wink”, imo you’re being a wee bit naive, Mayfield is a multi millionaire at present, his next contract will add more multi millions to his coffers, it’s not like anyone is gonna offer him what you or I make annually.  This being said by someone who is not so much a fan of the guy, he is gonna get paid a lot of money with his next team, period. 

 

Baker is a professional athlete, former #1 overall pick. He wants a Large payday and a chance to start for a franchise that has a decent roster where he can make it to the playoffs. No teams are willing to trade for him right now, and not many have the salary cap to absorb him for 2022. I don't see many teams wiling to offer Baker a long term extension to bring down the cap hit for 2022 until he proves himself again. The only teams that can afford Baker's cap hit today is Cleveland Carolina and Miami without making some salary cap moves....

That is not happening and that is what Baker really wants... He is on a 5th year option and not many teams want to trade away draft picks for the possible 1 year QB.

If Cleveland wants to take the Cap Hit and allow a lesser QB to take the reins then Baker can sign a prove me contract with another team, but again NOBODY is going to offer Baker Mayfield a contract on par with the top QB's in this league this year.

Baker will make millions yes, but top QB's make $20 million plus a year... Baker is not making that until he proves himself outside Cleveland or proves himself this year in Cleveland. If he gets the nod in Cleveland, because Watson is suspended and Cleveland's hands are tied, he has a chance at a big payday next season when he is a FA. If he gets released or traded this year he still has to prove himself before any long term dal is offered.


 

Edited May 18, 2022 by ddaryl

[BuffaloBills1998]

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

Oh yeah? How is Baker “not going to see that $20 million from Cleveland?”  Is the team going to file for bankruptcy?  How is that going to happen, other than a trade, which is highly unlikely at this point?

Cause the Browns wont have him suit up and Baker won’t play for them in 22. If that happens then Baker won’t get the 20 million. And no other team in the league is going to trade for a 1 year rental at 20 million guaranteed. Chances are he’s going to get released

[The Jokeman]

49 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Baker can show every other team he's mentally tough and go play and make the cool 19 mil.  Football guys don't like anyone especially qbs sitting.  

I can't see the Browns allowing Baker anywhere near the team as the media circus be in full gear and having lived through Flutie-Johnson here in Buffalo I wouldn't wish that kind of thing on any fanbase well I take that back maybe New England. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

Oh yeah? How is Baker “not going to see that $20 million from Cleveland?”  Is the team going to file for bankruptcy?  How is that going to happen, other than a trade, which is highly unlikely at this point?

https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2022/03/20/baker-mayfield-no-intention-playing-cleveland-browns-2022 An old article but proves further why you won’t see him suit up in a Browns uniform. It’s Brissett’s team for now

[mannc]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Cause the Browns wont have him suit up and Baker won’t play for them in 22. If that happens then Baker won’t get the 20 million. And no other team in the league is going to trade for a 1 year rental at 20 million guaranteed. Chances are he’s going to get released

So you’re saying Mayfield is going to simply refuse to play and will walk away from $20 million? Or are you saying the Browns will just refuse to pay him, even though his contract is fully guaranteed? 

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2022/03/20/baker-mayfield-no-intention-playing-cleveland-browns-2022 An old article but proves further why you won’t see him suit up in a Browns uniform. It’s Brissett’s team for now

Dude…that article is from before the draft and talks about Mayfield sitting out training camp, not real games….you’re entering crusade/ 🤡 territory now…

[without a drought]

I hear Baker wants to play for a team with an adult in the front office.

[Ralonzo]

I don’t want to judge people being emotional. I mean I got teary-eyed at the end of Ol Yeller. I’m sure football players get emotional when Cleveland drafts or trades for them.

Edited May 18, 2022 by Ralonzo

[DJB]

Dude should be in jail

[strive_for_five_guy]

24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Why not for the Browns but somewhere else?

Browns have already ***** all over Mayfield.  No way even the Browns let him suit up for them next year.

[Big Blitz]

No team in the league should trade for Baker.  He shouldn't exist to any team looking for a QB the Browns signed Watson believing they'll just trade Mayfield.  Hang up the phone.  

 

Make the Browns figure it out.    

 

 

And I no longer wish to call the Texans a tire fire of an organization.  Maybe they knew there was a lot going on with GM Watson.  

 

Total scum bag.

[bigduke6]

i feel bad for Browns fans.     i hope the Browns owners get exactly what they deserve,  nothing.   youve made your team look like desperate and low class.  clap.   again,  sorry Browns fans.

Edited May 18, 2022 by bigduke6

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Again I’m willing to bet he doesn’t suit up for the Browns. If they can’t find a trade partner he’ll be released. lm telling you it’s the Jacoby show in Cleveland. Browns blew up that bridge with Baker

I do not think he will be released anytime soon.  The Browns will look for a trade partner until the they find one or the trade deadline passes (week 9).  Then they might release him at that point or just keep him inactive every week.  The only other possibility is that they make a deal where Mayfield takes a pay cut in order to be released. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

13 hours ago, wppete said:

Release the text messages! All of them!

Why, to satisfy our curiosity? 

 

These aren't politicians, esp the woman involved deserve privacy.

[CapeBreton]

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

No team in the league should trade for Baker.  He shouldn't exist to any team looking for a QB the Browns signed Watson believing they'll just trade Mayfield.  Hang up the phone.  

 

Make the Browns figure it out.    

 

 

And I no longer wish to call the Texans a tire fire of an organization.  Maybe they knew there was a lot going on with GM Watson.  

 

Total scum bag.

 

Nobody is going to do any favours for Cleveland after this trade and contract, can't wait to see how the Mayfield situation works out.

 

Agreed on the props to the Texans, amazing the haul they got for this clown. He's clearly got some issues whether he's found guilty or not. 

[Logic]

Deshaun Watson is a gross human being and the Browns are a gross organization. 
 

I hope that the truth comes out, that any woman wronged by Watson gets justice, and — if it comes to light that these accusations are true — that he loses the privilege of playing in the NFL.

[BuffaloBills1998]

9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Why not for the Browns but somewhere else?

Obviously you haven’t paid attention to what the Browns put out in statements against Mayfield. Mainly them being quoted on wanting an adult at QB. They pretty much said that they view Mayfield as child. Would you want to play for a team that replaced you and then proceeded to talk ***** about you?? 

[KDIGGZ]

11 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

i feel bad for Browns fans.     i hope the Browns owners get exactly what they deserve,  nothing.   youve made your team look like desperate and low class.  clap.   again,  sorry Browns fans.

Please don't feel sorry for them.  The vast majority of Browns fans are online saying he's 100% innocent and completely ignoring all obvious evidence that's out there.  It took a lot for these brave women to come forward and risk their careers and reputations and Browns fans are completely taking a dump on that just because they want to win some football games.  I hope that franchise never wins and continues to be the skid mark on the NFL's drawers.

 

I personally know someone who was sexually assaulted and had hard evidence and still didn't want to bring it to police because she would have to share personal information with male detectives and relive the painful experience over and over and possibly in front of a judge and a full courtroom and she would rather just bury it and forget it ever happened.  In the end she did go forward because she didn't want it to happen to anyone else, and luckily the scumbag pleaded guilty so she didn't have to testify.  But I know for a fact how hard it was for these women to come forward and I'm not surprised that only 22 out of the at least 50 have decided to pursue this especially because there isn't a lot of evidence due to the private nature and setting the crimes took place.

[YoloinOhio]

 

Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Obviously you haven’t paid attention to what the Browns put out in statements against Mayfield. Mainly them being quoted on wanting an adult at QB. They pretty much said that they view Mayfield as child. Would you want to play for a team that replaced you and then proceeded to talk ***** about you?? 

If you watched that podcast he did recently, it’s clear he’s never playing for them again 

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Obviously you haven’t paid attention to what the Browns put out in statements against Mayfield. Mainly them being quoted on wanting an adult at QB. They pretty much said that they view Mayfield as child. Would you want to play for a team that replaced you and then proceeded to talk ***** about you?? 

The “wanting an adult at QB” comment wasn’t exactly a press release.  It was anonymously given to one reporter.  Haslam denied saying it (though I think it likely that it likely was said by him).  I’m sure Mayfield doesn’t want to play for the Browns again and the Browns don’t want him to.  But to answer your question with the very obvious: $18.9M.  If Mayfield refuses to play, practice or if he badmouths the organization badly enough, then the Browns can void his contract.  Unless his emotions get the better of him, he will do what he has to in order to get paid. 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

Baker is a professional athlete, former #1 overall pick. He wants a Large payday and a chance to start for a franchise that has a decent roster where he can make it to the playoffs. No teams are willing to trade for him right now, and not many have the salary cap to absorb him for 2022. I don't see many teams wiling to offer Baker a long term extension to bring down the cap hit for 2022 until he proves himself again. The only teams that can afford Baker's cap hit today is Cleveland Carolina and Miami without making some salary cap moves....

That is not happening and that is what Baker really wants... He is on a 5th year option and not many teams want to trade away draft picks for the possible 1 year QB.

If Cleveland wants to take the Cap Hit and allow a lesser QB to take the reins then Baker can sign a prove me contract with another team, but again NOBODY is going to offer Baker Mayfield a contract on par with the top QB's in this league this year.

Baker will make millions yes, but top QB's make $20 million plus a year... Baker is not making that until he proves himself outside Cleveland or proves himself this year in Cleveland. If he gets the nod in Cleveland, because Watson is suspended and Cleveland's hands are tied, he has a chance at a big payday next season when he is a FA. If he gets released or traded this year he still has to prove himself before any long term dal is offered.


 

Once you’re a multi millionaire what in all reality does one need from a financial perspective? I guess if greed is one’s guiding principle…,

[UKBillFan]

The Browns do not want to play Mayfield; Mayfield does not want to play for the Browns. Neither will back down and therefore I cannot see him suiting up. The Browns see him as toxic whilst Mayfield understandably feels affronted that they apparently believe an alleged sexual abuser is more mature than him.

 

Brissett will take the field and the Browns will write off the season or, if they can somehow offload Mayfield, maybe make a bid for Fitzpatrick to cover their backsides. Mayfield will either be paid to stay away, be a make or break signing by play off hunting franchise who lose their starting QB to injury or take a cut to move on. It feels like a game of attrition between him and the Browns right now.

Edited May 18, 2022 by UKBillFan

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

The Browns do not want to play Mayfield; Mayfield does not want to play for the Browns. Neither will back down and therefore I cannot see him suiting up. The Browns see him as toxic whilst Mayfield understandably feels affronted that they apparently believe an alleged sexual abuser is more mature than him.

 

Brissett will take the field and the Browns will write off the season or, if they can somehow offload Mayfield, maybe make a bid for Fitzpatrick to cover their backsides. Mayfield will either be paid to stay away, be a make or break signing by play off hunting franchise who lose their starting QB to injury or take a cut to move on. It feels like a game of attrition between him and the Browns right now.

I'm sure the Texans, who hold the Browns 2023 first round pick, are hoping for this...

[krf139]

4 hours ago, ALF said:

The contract Watson is slated to sign with the Browns, at a base-salary level, is far less than what he was scheduled to make with the Texans. Money lost on a suspension comes out of the player’s base pay for the season, so Watson would lose around $55,000 per game under his new deal if a suspension is levied, whereas he would have lost nearly $2 million per game with the Texans.

 

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/18/deshaun-watson-contract-browns-suspension/

 

His base salary for 2022 is $1M

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/deshaun-watson-21753/

The Browns should really be getting more heat for structuring the contract that way. While nothing prohibited them from doing it, they’re being somewhat complicit to everything going on.

[Ralonzo]

15 minutes ago, mannc said:

I'm sure the Texans, who hold the Browns 2023 first round pick, are hoping for this...

Every time I see that I’m reminded the Browns got #25 and #4 overall the following year for trading with the Texans to allow them to select Watson. Two picks after the Bills bit on the Chiefs offer and got #27 and #23 the following year. I wish I could find out if the Bills have already won the SB in that alternate universe where they were able to sit at #4 and take Allen, and keep all the depth picks.

 

And somehow both the Browns and Texans, despite feeding each other premium picks, remain something of a two-team ouroboros.

[ddaryl]

16 minutes ago, krf139 said:

The Browns should really be getting more heat for structuring the contract that way. While nothing prohibited them from doing it, they’re being somewhat complicit to everything going on.

 

I believe Cleveland Browns Franchise is feeling plenty of heat for the entire fiasco.

My heart goes out to the fans. Many are livid with anger about this mess. The press has been roasting the Browns management, and if I understand it correctly many owners/players are also not real happy with the Browns.

Edited May 18, 2022 by ddaryl

[papazoid]

guy getting a massage gets aroused, tosses his towel to the side and asks for a happy ending

 

if thats a crime....build more prisons

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Cause the Browns wont have him suit up and Baker won’t play for them in 22. If that happens then Baker won’t get the 20 million. And no other team in the league is going to trade for a 1 year rental at 20 million guaranteed. Chances are he’s going to get released

I cant be sure but I don't think that's an option for CLE. I'm sure if he refuses to show up, they can avoid paying him... but I don't think they have the right to say we don't want to pay you, so don't dress up.

 

They can tell him not to bother but I think they'd still have to pay him regardless

[BuffaloBills1998]

5 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I cant be sure but I don't think that's an option for CLE. I'm sure if he refuses to show up, they can avoid paying him... but I don't think they have the right to say we don't want to pay you, so don't dress up.

 

They can tell him not to bother but I think they'd still have to pay him regardless

If he doesn’t suit up and play then they don’t have to pay him. And that’s what they’re definitely pushing toward

11 minutes ago, papazoid said:

guy getting a massage gets aroused, tosses his towel to the side and asks for a happy ending

 

if thats a crime....build more prisons

It technically is a crime. There’s about 5 massage parlors in my area that got raided by the cops for ***** like that