CorkScrewHill Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 https://dailysnark.com/2022/05/03/the-internet-deciphered-the-dallas-cowboys-draft-sheet-that-jerry-jones-showed-the-media-during-press-conference/ this can be found on multiple sites, but this one listed the full list based off the Athletic.com analysis 1. Kayvon Thibodeaux, DE, Oregon: drafted at No. 5 by the Giants. 2. Evan Neal, OT, Alabama: drafted at No. 7 by the Giants. 3. Aidan Hutchinson, DE, Michigan: drafted at No. 2 by the Lions. 4. Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State: drafted at No. 10 by the Jets. 5. Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati: drafted at No. 4 by the Jets. 6. Derek Stingley, CB, LSU: drafted at No. 3 by the Texans. 7. Travon Walker, DE, Georgia: drafted at No. 1 by the Jaguars. 8. Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame: drafted at No. 14 by the Ravens. 9. Ikem Ekwonu, OT, North Carolina State: drafted at No. 6 by the Panthers. 10. Drake London, WR, USC: drafted at No. 8 by the Falcons. 11. Jordan Davis, DT, Georgia: drafted at No. 13 by the Eagles. 12. Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State: drafted at No. 9 by the Seahawks. 13. Lewis Cine, S, Georgia: drafted at No. 32 by the Vikings. 14. Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama: drafted at No. 12 by the Lions. The second-round grades on the front of the paper appear to go as follows: 15. Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State: drafted at No. 11 by the Saints. 16. Tyler Smith, OL, Tulsa: drafted at No. 24 by the Cowboys. 17. Devin Lloyd, LB, Utah: drafted at No. 27 by the Jaguars. 18. Daxton Hill, S, Michigan: drafted at No. 31 by the Bengals. 19. Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State: drafted at No. 36 by the Jets. 20. Kenyon Green, OG, Texas A&M: drafted at No. 15 by the Texans. 21. George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue: drafted at No. 30 by the Chiefs. 22. Zion Johnson, OG, Boston College: drafted at No. 17 by the Chargers. 23. Treylon Burks, WR, Arkansas: drafted at No. 18 by the Titans. 24. Kyler Gordon, CB, Washington: drafted at No. 39 by the Bears. 25. Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa: drafted at No. 25 by the Ravens. 26. David Ojabo, DE, Michigan: drafted at No. 45 by the Ravens. 27. Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn State: drafted at No. 16 by the Commanders. 28. Jermaine Johnson, DE, Florida State: drafted at No. 26 by the Jets. 29. Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida: drafted at No. 23 by the Bills. 30. Arnold Ebiketie, DE, Penn State: drafted at No. 38 by the Falcons. 31. Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington: drafted at No. 21 by the Chiefs. 32. Quay Walker, LB, Georgia: drafted at No. 22 by the Packers. 33. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia: drafted at No. 28 by the Packers. 34. Logan Hall, DE, Houston: drafted at No. 33 by the Buccaneers. A few things interesting to me at least. 1) only the first 14 had first round grades on them 2) they had 3 CBS ahead of Elam who came in at 29 for them and one was still on the board (Kyler Gordon) when they drafted so they were not targeting Elam there. They had McDuffie after Elam .. and Booth did not make the list of first / second round grades unless one of the last ones that were not deciphered. 3) they had Breece Hall at 19 overall the Cowboys are not a great drafting team but it is interesting to see how they had things lined up 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 AGAIN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 21 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: the Cowboys are not a great team FIFY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I got the impression this was staged so I give that list zero credibility. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) Interesting. ...But, Beane mentioned this: A Draft board is not necessarily based on who is a better player overall, but who fits each team the best. It's not Mel Kiper's top 150 players. ...However, having a base grade and adjusting it for each team's targets could be valuable. I always wondered why teams don't employ experts focused solely on gathering intelligence on every opponent. Edited May 4, 2022 by unbillievable 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 All teams grade players differently, and base it on their role and how they fit in their schemes to some degree. I'll trust Beane and team with DBs to pick the right ones and coach them up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, CorkScrewHill said: the Cowboys are not a great drafting team but it is interesting to see how they had things lined up I disagree. The Cowboys are a good drafting team. In the last 10 years they are top 2 or 3 in terms of all pros drafted. 1 1 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 3 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: https://dailysnark.com/2022/05/03/the-internet-deciphered-the-dallas-cowboys-draft-sheet-that-jerry-jones-showed-the-media-during-press-conference/ this can be found on multiple sites, but this one listed the full list based off the Athletic.com analysis 1. Kayvon Thibodeaux, DE, Oregon: drafted at No. 5 by the Giants. 2. Evan Neal, OT, Alabama: drafted at No. 7 by the Giants. 3. Aidan Hutchinson, DE, Michigan: drafted at No. 2 by the Lions. 4. Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State: drafted at No. 10 by the Jets. 5. Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati: drafted at No. 4 by the Jets. 6. Derek Stingley, CB, LSU: drafted at No. 3 by the Texans. 7. Travon Walker, DE, Georgia: drafted at No. 1 by the Jaguars. 8. Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame: drafted at No. 14 by the Ravens. 9. Ikem Ekwonu, OT, North Carolina State: drafted at No. 6 by the Panthers. 10. Drake London, WR, USC: drafted at No. 8 by the Falcons. 11. Jordan Davis, DT, Georgia: drafted at No. 13 by the Eagles. 12. Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State: drafted at No. 9 by the Seahawks. 13. Lewis Cine, S, Georgia: drafted at No. 32 by the Vikings. 14. Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama: drafted at No. 12 by the Lions. The second-round grades on the front of the paper appear to go as follows: 15. Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State: drafted at No. 11 by the Saints. 16. Tyler Smith, OL, Tulsa: drafted at No. 24 by the Cowboys. 17. Devin Lloyd, LB, Utah: drafted at No. 27 by the Jaguars. 18. Daxton Hill, S, Michigan: drafted at No. 31 by the Bengals. 19. Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State: drafted at No. 36 by the Jets. 20. Kenyon Green, OG, Texas A&M: drafted at No. 15 by the Texans. 21. George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue: drafted at No. 30 by the Chiefs. 22. Zion Johnson, OG, Boston College: drafted at No. 17 by the Chargers. 23. Treylon Burks, WR, Arkansas: drafted at No. 18 by the Titans. 24. Kyler Gordon, CB, Washington: drafted at No. 39 by the Bears. 25. Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa: drafted at No. 25 by the Ravens. 26. David Ojabo, DE, Michigan: drafted at No. 45 by the Ravens. 27. Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn State: drafted at No. 16 by the Commanders. 28. Jermaine Johnson, DE, Florida State: drafted at No. 26 by the Jets. 29. Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida: drafted at No. 23 by the Bills. 30. Arnold Ebiketie, DE, Penn State: drafted at No. 38 by the Falcons. 31. Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington: drafted at No. 21 by the Chiefs. 32. Quay Walker, LB, Georgia: drafted at No. 22 by the Packers. 33. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia: drafted at No. 28 by the Packers. 34. Logan Hall, DE, Houston: drafted at No. 33 by the Buccaneers. A few things interesting to me at least. 1) only the first 14 had first round grades on them 2) they had 3 CBS ahead of Elam who came in at 29 for them and one was still on the board (Kyler Gordon) when they drafted so they were not targeting Elam there. They had McDuffie after Elam .. and Booth did not make the list of first / second round grades unless one of the last ones that were not deciphered. 3) they had Breece Hall at 19 overall the Cowboys are not a great drafting team but it is interesting to see how they had things lined up 2 hours ago, unbillievable said: Interesting. ...But, Beane mentioned this: A Draft board is not necessarily based on who is a better player overall, but who fits each team the best. It's not Mel Kiper's top 150 players. ...However, having a base grade and adjusting it for each team's targets could be valuable. I always wondered why teams don't employ experts focused solely on gathering intelligence on every opponent. A couple of things - First - the Cowboys have recently been an excellent drafting team by most measures. They had a bad run for a while, but have been a top 5 drafting team over the last 5-7 years. Second - a draft board for each team is fairly unique because unlike someone’s top 10 board - it takes into account a teams needs and scheme fit. CB was not a big need for Dallas - so that pushed CB value down their board. OL and DL seem more their need based upon their board set-up if real. Third - Beane said in his press conference they were not necessarily worried about Baltimore or Dallas picking CB, but we’re very worried about a trade up into that spot by a team wanting a CB as that was the Bills pressing need. Finally - @unbillievable - I am not sure that teams do not have people that concentrate solely on gathered data. Beane has talked about how - especially the pro scouting staff after the FA push - spend time looking at team needs and matching that to visits and draft history. They do several mock drafts and get competitive about having the right choices play out. My guess is every rumor, every scouting visit, every piece of intel they get goes into a database to help them prepare and better plan future drafts. I think they have people on the payroll who gather and enter all of that data and trends. We also know the Bills self scout those same traits after each draft to try and ensure they do not fall into the same ruts over and over. If you went through each teams payroll- I think you will find some nebulous names/positions that end up as really an IT guy solely dedicated to gathering as factual as possible information about each teams plans leading up to the draft. It is part of the reason smoke screens are common by teams because everything they say gets out to someone listening. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: Third - Beane said in his press conference they were not necessarily worried about Baltimore or Dallas picking CB, but we’re very worried about a trade up into that spot by a team wanting a CB as that was the Bills pressing need. Nobody will convince me that it wasn't Tennessee they were concerned about. The common knowledge pre-draft was the Tennessee was interested in receiver and corner. Everyone felt receiver was the biggest need (even before the Brown trade). But suddenly they had two first round picks and took a receiver at 18. Interestingly Beane said he started calling teams at about spot 20. Why? Because until Tennessee had pick #18 and #26 he really wasn't worried about them taking a corner. They were going receiver first. Tennessee want corners who can play press man. It matters in their scheme. As soon as the Bills took Elam they traded out of the round and took McCreary (the other guy with a lot of press man on his tape) at the top of the 2nd. People saying "look Dallas were no threat to take Elam we didn't need to give up that pick" are missing the point. It was not an offensive trade up to jump a team, it was a defensive trade up to stop them being jumped. Did they need to? Could they have got him at #25? They are questions people can argue back and forth about. But it was never about Dallas. It was about Tennessee first and foremost. Might other teams have concerned them to? Sure, but when you join the dots the realy reason for that trade up would appear to reside in Nashville. 15 2 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I've said it before and I'll say it again: Jerry Jones is right on the edge of not being able to live the life he likes to live, or do something as massively demanding as run an NFL franchise. He is getting OLD and appears very close to not being able to do it anymore. In a couple years he will be retired out of necessity---or the Cowboys will become a complete tire fire. Actually, that will be an interesting story to see unfold. Will Jerry know when to relinquish power and step away? Will someone in the organization be strong enough to convince him to do it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) The Cowboys pry had a deal to trade back in place with another team assuming Elam was still on the board. The initial shot of their war room wasn't one of being thrilled that they were about to pick Smith. They seemed to be scrambling. We'll never know but that's what my gut instinct was. Edited May 4, 2022 by Doc Brown 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Ive never understood why seeing someones draft board after guys have been drafted matters much in the long term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nobody will convince me that it wasn't Tennessee they were concerned about. The common knowledge pre-draft was the Tennessee was interested in receiver and corner. Everyone felt receiver was the biggest need (even before the Brown trade). But suddenly they had two first round picks and took a receiver at 18. Interestingly Beane said he started calling teams at about spot 20. Why? Because until Tennessee had pick #18 and #26 he really wasn't worried about them taking a corner. They were going receiver first. Tennessee want corners who can play press man. It matters in their scheme. As soon as the Bills took Elam they traded out of the round and took McCreary (the other guy with a lot of press man on his tape) at the top of the 2nd. People saying "look Dallas were no threat to take Elam we didn't need to give up that pick" are missing the point. It was not an offensive trade up to jump a team, it was a defensive trade up to stop them being jumped. Did they need to? Could they have got him at #25? They are questions people can argue back and forth about. But it was never about Dallas. It was about Tennessee first and foremost. Might other teams have concerned them to? Sure, but when you join the dots the realy reason for that trade up would appear to reside in Nashville. 100% agree - that was exactly what I saw and said to my wife on draft night. He was 100% worried about Tennessee moving ahead and was working GB and Baltimore to get their guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Imo the whole NFL knew the Bills were going CB at 25. And that if they wanted a CB, they had to leap frog Buffalo, and might pay premium. So Beane had to trade 4th to secure Elam imo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Actually, that will be an interesting story to see unfold. Will Jerry know when to relinquish power and step away? Will someone in the organization be strong enough to convince him to do it? He has already relinquished personnel power over the last decade. Will McClay is their Vice President of Player Personnel and is in complete charge of their evaluation and scouting operation. He is the allegedly the best paid personnel executive in the league that doesn't hold the GM title and is rumoured to be better paid than some that do. He is one of the very best evaluators out there. Basically he chooses the players and the Stephen convinces Jerry. I suspect that Stephen as already assured McClay that when the point comes when Jerry formally steps away (which I agree is probably close) he will be appointed officially as General Manager and Stephen will operate as a more traditional owner. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&Goal Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He has already relinquished personnel power over the last decade. Will McClay is their Vice President of Player Personnel and is in complete charge of their evaluation and scouting operation. He is the allegedly the best paid personnel executive in the league that doesn't hold the GM title and is rumoured to be better paid than some that do. He is one of the very best evaluators out there. Basically he chooses the players and the Stephen convinces Jerry. I suspect that Stephen as already assured McClay that when the point comes when Jerry formally steps away (which I agree is probably close) he will be appointed officially as General Manager and Stephen will operate as a more traditional owner. Interesting, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: I've said it before and I'll say it again: Jerry Jones is right on the edge of not being able to live the life he likes to live, or do something as massively demanding as run an NFL franchise. He is getting OLD and appears very close to not being able to do it anymore. In a couple years he will be retired out of necessity---or the Cowboys will become a complete tire fire. Actually, that will be an interesting story to see unfold. Will Jerry know when to relinquish power and step away? Will someone in the organization be strong enough to convince him to do it? I’d be shocked if Jerry steps down. I think he’d have to be physically unable to do the job. I can’t see him retiring simply because he’s slowing down. People like Jones love fame and fortune, and want to be on that ride as long as possible. Retiring is a different beast for these people than your typical person. 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: He has already relinquished personnel power over the last decade. Will McClay is their Vice President of Player Personnel and is in complete charge of their evaluation and scouting operation. He is the allegedly the best paid personnel executive in the league that doesn't hold the GM title and is rumoured to be better paid than some that do. He is one of the very best evaluators out there. Basically he chooses the players and the Stephen convinces Jerry. I suspect that Stephen as already assured McClay that when the point comes when Jerry formally steps away (which I agree is probably close) he will be appointed officially as General Manager and Stephen will operate as a more traditional owner. Good post, it gives good insight into the Cowboys organization. I think this convinces me more that Jerry isn’t stepping down anytime soon. Dallas can continue delegating responsibilities to others, while Jones remains the face of the franchise. I don’t see any need for a formal “retirement” in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 So they had a 1st round grade on Cine at S but passed him up for a OL they had listed as a 2nd rounder? Jeruhhhhh! The CB ranking is interesting. They had McDuffie super low (probably due to size) and Gordon higher than him and Elam (probably again due to size). Sounds like the Bills had McDuffie as a 1st rounder because they said as soon as he went they only had 1 guy left (Elam). So the Bills had Gordon as a 2nd rounder. Beane said after Elam they had some guys that were close together (Gordon, Booth, ?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 5 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: I got the impression this was staged so I give that list zero credibility. Agreed. If this were real, why would they not have taken Cine (whom they supposedly had ranked 13th overall in a group that only included 14 first rounders) instead of Smith (whom they had graded as a 2nd rounder? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: https://dailysnark.com/2022/05/03/the-internet-deciphered-the-dallas-cowboys-draft-sheet-that-jerry-jones-showed-the-media-during-press-conference/ this can be found on multiple sites, but this one listed the full list based off the Athletic.com analysis 1. Kayvon Thibodeaux, DE, Oregon: drafted at No. 5 by the Giants. 2. Evan Neal, OT, Alabama: drafted at No. 7 by the Giants. 3. Aidan Hutchinson, DE, Michigan: drafted at No. 2 by the Lions. 4. Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State: drafted at No. 10 by the Jets. 5. Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati: drafted at No. 4 by the Jets. 6. Derek Stingley, CB, LSU: drafted at No. 3 by the Texans. 7. Travon Walker, DE, Georgia: drafted at No. 1 by the Jaguars. 8. Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame: drafted at No. 14 by the Ravens. 9. Ikem Ekwonu, OT, North Carolina State: drafted at No. 6 by the Panthers. 10. Drake London, WR, USC: drafted at No. 8 by the Falcons. 11. Jordan Davis, DT, Georgia: drafted at No. 13 by the Eagles. 12. Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State: drafted at No. 9 by the Seahawks. 13. Lewis Cine, S, Georgia: drafted at No. 32 by the Vikings. 14. Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama: drafted at No. 12 by the Lions. The second-round grades on the front of the paper appear to go as follows: 15. Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State: drafted at No. 11 by the Saints. 16. Tyler Smith, OL, Tulsa: drafted at No. 24 by the Cowboys. 17. Devin Lloyd, LB, Utah: drafted at No. 27 by the Jaguars. 18. Daxton Hill, S, Michigan: drafted at No. 31 by the Bengals. 19. Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State: drafted at No. 36 by the Jets. 20. Kenyon Green, OG, Texas A&M: drafted at No. 15 by the Texans. 21. George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue: drafted at No. 30 by the Chiefs. 22. Zion Johnson, OG, Boston College: drafted at No. 17 by the Chargers. 23. Treylon Burks, WR, Arkansas: drafted at No. 18 by the Titans. 24. Kyler Gordon, CB, Washington: drafted at No. 39 by the Bears. 25. Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa: drafted at No. 25 by the Ravens. 26. David Ojabo, DE, Michigan: drafted at No. 45 by the Ravens. 27. Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn State: drafted at No. 16 by the Commanders. 28. Jermaine Johnson, DE, Florida State: drafted at No. 26 by the Jets. 29. Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida: drafted at No. 23 by the Bills. 30. Arnold Ebiketie, DE, Penn State: drafted at No. 38 by the Falcons. 31. Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington: drafted at No. 21 by the Chiefs. 32. Quay Walker, LB, Georgia: drafted at No. 22 by the Packers. 33. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia: drafted at No. 28 by the Packers. 34. Logan Hall, DE, Houston: drafted at No. 33 by the Buccaneers. A few things interesting to me at least. 1) only the first 14 had first round grades on them 2) they had 3 CBS ahead of Elam who came in at 29 for them and one was still on the board (Kyler Gordon) when they drafted so they were not targeting Elam there. They had McDuffie after Elam .. and Booth did not make the list of first / second round grades unless one of the last ones that were not deciphered. 3) they had Breece Hall at 19 overall the Cowboys are not a great drafting team but it is interesting to see how they had things lined up Should we fire Beane now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 Just now, GolfandBills said: Should we fire Beane now? ??? It is an interesting data point that is all. I would not judge our draft based on what the Cowboys thought. Actually I am a 3 year to really know the quality of the draft kind of guy. The Jets won the draft in 2018 per experts .. didn’t really pan out for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: So they had a 1st round grade on Cine at S but passed him up for a OL they had listed as a 2nd rounder? Jeruhhhhh! The CB ranking is interesting. They had McDuffie super low (probably due to size) and Gordon higher than him and Elam (probably again due to size). Sounds like the Bills had McDuffie as a 1st rounder because they said as soon as he went they only had 1 guy left (Elam). So the Bills had Gordon as a 2nd rounder. Beane said after Elam they had some guys that were close together (Gordon, Booth, ?). I don't believe the Bills had a 1st on McDuffie. Don't think he was ever their pick. I'm not surprised the Cowboys had him "super low" as you describe it. I was told there were as many as a dozen teams who didn't have him as a first rounder and was even told Gordon would go ahead of him. Now the latter did not happen, obviously, but the impression the draft media created around McDuffie as a sure fire early pick was not shared by teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 If this was their real board, it helps me understand the poor drafting of the Cowboys over the years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I've said it before and I'll say it again: Jerry Jones is right on the edge of not being able to live the life he likes to live, or do something as massively demanding as run an NFL franchise. He is getting OLD and appears very close to not being able to do it anymore. In a couple years he will be retired out of necessity---or the Cowboys will become a complete tire fire. Actually, that will be an interesting story to see unfold. Will Jerry know when to relinquish power and step away? Will someone in the organization be strong enough to convince him to do it? I'm likely in the minority here but I enjoy having Jerry around. I'm glad he doesn't own Buff lol but he's a big dumb loveable idiot, and basically a mascot for the league 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: In the last 10 years they are top 2 or 3 in terms of all pros drafted. FACTS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: If this was their real board, it helps me understand the poor drafting of the Cowboys over the years. Why do people keep saying the Cowboys have drafted poorly? In the last 10 years they have more drafted all pros than almost anyone. They have drafted well in recent years. That great offensive line, 3 cornerstone 1st team all pros drafted by the team (Smith, Martin, Fredricks). Zeke. Parsons. Diggs. Vander Esch. Byron Jones That is 10 years 8 drafted all pros. 6 of those 8 were first team all pros and the linemen are multiple time all pros. That is without Prescott, Jaylon Smith and CeeDee Lamb who haven't been all pros but have been to pro bowls. That is a pretty good haul in 10 years of drafting. Not sure there are many teams doing much better than that. And if you think only looking at all pros distorts the picture overall.... then @JGMcD2's analysis from 2018-2021 has them 6th and the ESPN study that came out last week from 2012 to 2021 has them 4th. If people don't think Dallas has drafted well in recent years I have no idea what their metric for that is. Edited May 4, 2022 by GunnerBill 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Nobody will convince me that it wasn't Tennessee they were concerned about. The common knowledge pre-draft was the Tennessee was interested in receiver and corner. Everyone felt receiver was the biggest need (even before the Brown trade). But suddenly they had two first round picks and took a receiver at 18. Interestingly Beane said he started calling teams at about spot 20. Why? Because until Tennessee had pick #18 and #26 he really wasn't worried about them taking a corner. They were going receiver first. Tennessee want corners who can play press man. It matters in their scheme. As soon as the Bills took Elam they traded out of the round and took McCreary (the other guy with a lot of press man on his tape) at the top of the 2nd. People saying "look Dallas were no threat to take Elam we didn't need to give up that pick" are missing the point. It was not an offensive trade up to jump a team, it was a defensive trade up to stop them being jumped. Did they need to? Could they have got him at #25? They are questions people can argue back and forth about. But it was never about Dallas. It was about Tennessee first and foremost. Might other teams have concerned them to? Sure, but when you join the dots the realy reason for that trade up would appear to reside in Nashville. Great post! 💯🎯 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) Dallas must've had a deal in place with Tennessee (or somebody else) that would've netted them a 3rd rounder, I think that's why they seemed dejected after we traded up. It must've been an overpay offer based on their reaction. Edited May 4, 2022 by 947 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 9 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: I got the impression this was staged so I give that list zero credibility. I 100% believe this is Jerry Jones believing he's smarter than everyone and that is his exact list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I don't believe the Bills had a 1st on McDuffie. Don't think he was ever their pick. I'm not surprised the Cowboys had him "super low" as you describe it. I was told there were as many as a dozen teams who didn't have him as a first rounder and was even told Gordon would go ahead of him. Now the latter did not happen, obviously, but the impression the draft media created around McDuffie as a sure fire early pick was not shared by teams. Maybe the Bills had Elam over McDuffie (they would certainly want you to believe that now at this point) but they definitely had McDuffie as a 1st rounder too based on how he phrased it. Beane said after KC traded up to take McDuffie there was only 1 player left on their board with a 1st round grade (Elam). So from that you can also ascertain that they did not have Gordon or Booth or any other player picked after them graded as 1st round talent, including the Packers pick before them or the Cowboys pick after them who they jumped in the trade up Edited May 4, 2022 by KDIGGZ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Why do people keep saying the Cowboys have drafted poorly? In the last 10 years they have more drafted all pros than almost anyone. They have drafted well in recent years. That great offensive line, 3 cornerstone 1st team all pros drafted by the team (Smith, Martin, Fredricks). Zeke. Parsons. Diggs. Vander Esch. Byron Jones That is 10 years 8 drafted all pros. 6 of those 8 were first team all pros and the linemen are multiple time all pros. That is without Prescott, Jaylon Smith and CeeDee Lamb who haven't been all pros but have been to pro bowls. That is a pretty good haul in 10 years of drafting. Not sure there are many teams doing much better than that. And if you think only looking at all pros distorts the picture overall.... then @JGMcD2's analysis from 2018-2021 has them 6th and the ESPN study that came out last week from 2012 to 2021 has them 4th. If people don't think Dallas has drafted well in recent years I have no idea what their metric for that is. Winning percentage, playoff wins, division titles, SB appearances, and SB wins are the long term metrics that mean something. When you look at their performance excluding some artificial media driven awards, they come up short. They draft some good players (as do most teams) but they have done a poor job of building a complete team. Jerry likes to make the big splash pick (CeeDee Lamb) when good players in areas of real need are available. A handful of stars sprinkled through a roster can't make up for the glaring talent voids that exist elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 14 hours ago, unbillievable said: Interesting. ...But, Beane mentioned this: A Draft board is not necessarily based on who is a better player overall, but who fits each team the best. It's not Mel Kiper's top 150 players. ...However, having a base grade and adjusting it for each team's targets could be valuable. I always wondered why teams don't employ experts focused solely on gathering intelligence on every opponent. I agree…. nfl is system driven. You aren’t drafting a player who doesn't fit your system you aren’t drafting a 3-4 ILB for your 3-4 system. you are set at QB,a QB is not going to be anywhere in your top 70. Similar with other positions you are set in fir the next 3 yrs. you want cover corners you aren’t drafting more zone system CBS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) People need to move on about the fourth round pick. I’ve never seen a more insignificant obsession ever. Worse yet, we STILL got the SAME player Beane would have taken in the 4th by trading up to top of 5th to get him. Edited May 4, 2022 by Alphadawg7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: Winning percentage, playoff wins, division titles, SB appearances, and SB wins are the long term metrics that mean something. When you look at their performance excluding some artificial media driven awards, they come up short. They draft some good players (as do most teams) but they have done a poor job of building a complete team. Jerry likes to make the big splash pick (CeeDee Lamb) when good players in areas of real need are available. A handful of stars sprinkled through a roster can't make up for the glaring talent voids that exist elsewhere. Totally disagree. Ceedee was an example of sticking to the board rather than drafting for need. He was the BPA. Dallas are 8th in total win - loss record since 2010. Yes they haven't got over the hump in the playoffs. But that in itself is a flawed metric for judging drafting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 12 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Ive never understood why seeing someones draft board after guys have been drafted matters much in the long term. it will only make the GM/ scouts look silly years later as undoubtedly the players careers will never line up with the rankings. So they are just trying to protect themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 It’s funny but my wife and I commented on 1 maybe 2 teams to where it looked like their draft board was in the camera shot during picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Whether or not someone was a threat to draft Elam ahead of #25, I don't mind Beane playing it safe as long as he was able to put together a solid draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Totally disagree. Ceedee was an example of sticking to the board rather than drafting for need. He was the BPA. Dallas are 8th in total win - loss record since 2010. Yes they haven't got over the hump in the playoffs. But that in itself is a flawed metric for judging drafting. Unless you have their board, you don't know that Lamb was BPA on their board. At that time, their defense had many holes and a receiver was a luxury that they could not afford. Even their local sports media questioned the pick. As long as Jerry interjects his input into their drafting, they will remain a floundering mess that plays in one of the weakest divisions in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 That list can't be right. Jones missed Cole Strange. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 58 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: Unless you have their board, you don't know that Lamb was BPA on their board. At that time, their defense had many holes and a receiver was a luxury that they could not afford. Even their local sports media questioned the pick. As long as Jerry interjects his input into their drafting, they will remain a floundering mess that plays in one of the weakest divisions in the league. He was at the very least a consensus BPA. Your reaction is exactly what people who want to draft for need say "ah they had holes here and there" so what? The draft shouldn't be about holes. The reason Dallas is a good drafting team is they don't draft to fill holes with those early picks they draft difference makers. And Jerry's input on drafting is negligible. Will McClay runs their drafts and he runs them darn well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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