YoloinOhio Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Wonder if anyone from Buffalo is on his radar as replacement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Does this surprise anyone? Didn’t the Bills fire everyone in scouting department immediately after 2017 draft? 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedbuffaloblue Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 That organization definitely needs some serious house cleaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 He, and anyone else who had anything to do with selecting Barkely at No. 2 overall, should have been fired before now. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Wonder if anyone from Buffalo is on his radar as replacement 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, chris heff said: Does this surprise anyone? Didn’t the Bills fire everyone in scouting department immediately after 2017 draft? You can already see Schoen following the Beane/McDermott blueprint based on their first draft and now predictable moves like this. A lot more pressure though with a franchise like NYG who haven't been to or won a SB since 2011 and not done much playoff wise since then either for that matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 The Turk is early... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 I believe this is the guy whose motto was: ”Don’t worry. There is no surer bet than a Penn State running back.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Makes sense. Get him out of the building before college football season this fall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: I miss Buddy. One of the greats!!! Loved that guy. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kornfed Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Buddy was always a trip to listen to for his old school, tough as nails attitude. He described Travis Henrey as "trying to tackle a bowling ball with butcher knives sticking out of it" ... And he always had a snarl goin on with a grin when he spoke. Tough ole bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 hour ago, wppete said: I miss Buddy. One of the greats!!! Loved that guy. Great boob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Kornfed said: Buddy was always a trip to listen to for his old school, tough as nails attitude. He described Travis Henrey as "trying to tackle a bowling ball with butcher knives sticking out of it" ... And he always had a snarl goin on with a grin when he spoke. Tough ole bird. and my fav Buddy Nix quote...yeah ya wanna git ta no 'em...bring em in and smell their breath.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 2 hours ago, wppete said: I miss Buddy. One of the greats!!! Loved that guy. 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Great boob The prank phone where the guy pretended to be the Tampa GM and Buddy bought it............and threw his $10M QB under the bus and then had to release him...........that was one of the Billsiest moments ever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I’m pretty sure he will poach the Bills scouting department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 11 hours ago, chris heff said: Does this surprise anyone? Didn’t the Bills fire everyone in scouting department immediately after 2017 draft? Yes, they did. I think at about the same time, too. They can't fire the college scouting staff before the draft because they know the collegiate players. I think Modrak and the other management guys got the boot first, and then some/many of the scouts were let go. IIRC, the Bills added additional scouts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: The prank phone where the guy pretended to be the Tampa GM and Buddy bought it............and threw his $10M QB under the bus and then had to release him...........that was one of the Billsiest moments ever. The Buddy Whaley comedy duo: we can look back on now and chuckle... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Great boob Nix was pretty good. His problem was that he couldn't bring in a QB and that when they wanted a coach Ralph was passing and absolutely nobody wanted the job. He built a really good defense, but that meant they never got really high draft picks for a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 10 hours ago, wppete said: I miss Buddy. One of the greats!!! Loved that guy. Well, yeah. Chronic losing is fun. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 12 hours ago, chris heff said: Does this surprise anyone? Didn’t the Bills fire everyone in scouting department immediately after 2017 draft? It's pretty common timing for a new GM finding he isn't satisfied with the group he had. You can't really fire all the scouts when you're hired in January. The guys you bring in will not have coordinated their scouting. Many players will be uncovered. They've missed the college season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 12 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I believe this is the guy whose motto was: ”Don’t worry. There is no surer bet than a Penn State running back.” I thought Ki-Jana Carter was going to be a stud.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: I thought Ki-Jana Carter was going to be a stud.... for me, I thought Curtis Enis would be a superstar. The list of busts is endless! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 9 hours ago, Kornfed said: Buddy was always a trip to listen to for his old school, tough as nails attitude. He described Travis Henrey as "trying to tackle a bowling ball with butcher knives sticking out of it" ... And he always had a snarl goin on with a grin when he spoke. Tough ole bird. Pretty sure that was the description attributed to Kyle Williams, actually. I'm still kind of in PTSD with those teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: The prank phone where the guy pretended to be the Tampa GM and Buddy bought it............and threw his $10M QB under the bus and then had to release him...........that was one of the Billsiest moments ever. It’s still unbelievable to me that happened to this day. Christ. 3 minutes ago, Whites Bay said: Pretty sure that was the description attributed to Kyle Williams, actually. I'm still kind of in PTSD with those teams. Nope, it was Travis Henry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 48 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Nix was pretty good. His problem was that he couldn't bring in a QB and that when they wanted a coach Ralph was passing and absolutely nobody wanted the job. He built a really good defense, but that meant they never got really high draft picks for a QB. He was a laughing stock. His 1st round picks were Maybin, Spiller, Dareus, Gilmore and EJM. He hit on Robert Woods and Gilmore. He passed on Russ Wilson ("too small") as well as Cousins, famously taking TJ Graham instead. The drafts from 2011-13 are a real treat to revisit. In points allowed, those years were 30th, 26th, 20th. They had 1 top 5 D between 2009 to 2017. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, eball said: It’s still unbelievable to me that happened to this day. Christ. Nope, it was Travis Henry. It was definitely said about Kyle Williams a lot as well. I’m not 100% sure it was Nix tho. Could have been on scouting reports. The tv announcers would quote it often during games. it was both lol Edited May 3, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: He was a laughing stock. His 1st round picks were Maybin, Spiller, Dareus, Gilmore and EJM. He hit on Robert Woods and Gilmore. He passed on Russ Wilson ("too small") as well as Cousins, famously taking TJ Graham instead. The drafts from 2011-13 are a real treat to revisit. In points allowed, those years were 30th, 26th, 20th. They had 1 top 5 D between 2009 to 2017. Brandon was GM for the Maybin pick, and Manual was clearly Whaley's guy, thus the save-his-own-ass idiotic trade up for Super Sammy. There's plenty of reasons to go after Nix if you're so inclined- no need to rewrite the man's work. I liked Nix overall. Poor guy was stuck between ol' 'cash to cap' and having a frickin' concrete weight in Doug Whaley chained to his leg. But we actually looked like a football team out there. For the first time in a decade I didn't feel like an NFL Europe team got plopped into the middle of the AFC East. sure we didn't seriously compete with NE, but we did finally beat them under his tenure. I like Nix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 15 hours ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: The Turk is early... Right after the draft is usually when new GMs clean house. McDermott fired Whaley and replaced him with Beane right after his first draft here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 15 hours ago, chris heff said: Does this surprise anyone? Didn’t the Bills fire everyone in scouting department immediately after 2017 draft? Chris, do you remember when the national media lauuuuuuuggggghhheeed at the Bills for this, and some even saying that they are a joke organization? You know, right before the season they made the playoffs, and have made it 4 times in 5 years? Damn right on Schoen. Clean house, buddy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 26 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Brandon was GM for the Maybin pick, and Manual was clearly Whaley's guy, thus the save-his-own-ass idiotic trade up for Super Sammy. There's plenty of reasons to go after Nix if you're so inclined- no need to rewrite the man's work. I liked Nix overall. Poor guy was stuck between ol' 'cash to cap' and having a frickin' concrete weight in Doug Whaley chained to his leg. But we actually looked like a football team out there. For the first time in a decade I didn't feel like an NFL Europe team got plopped into the middle of the AFC East. sure we didn't seriously compete with NE, but we did finally beat them under his tenure. I like Nix. True on Maybin. He also passed on Gronk (because of back concerns) and picked Troup--who quickly washed out....due to back issues. He hired Gailey and Marrone. Between 2010-13 (Nix GM years, the Bills won 16 games and lost 32. Not sure what you were watching. in 2014 they got up to 9 wins and wouldn't win that many again for another 3 years. Their Offense was 25th, 14th, 19th Defense was 24, 26, 22. The Levy/Jauron combo was good for 3 seasons of 7-9 football...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 16 hours ago, chris heff said: Does this surprise anyone? Didn’t the Bills fire everyone in scouting department immediately after 2017 draft? They brought back like 4 of the fired scouts iirc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Beerball said: Well, yeah. Chronic losing is fun. But pure comedy gold! The greatest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplebulldog Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 And horrible GM's like this are the reason Ralph's winning percentage was .465%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 The Giants record for the past five years is 22-60. I'm not surprised Schoen fired these two people. I'm more surprised that he hasn't fired more people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Brandon was GM for the Maybin pick, and Manual was clearly Whaley's guy, thus the save-his-own-ass idiotic trade up for Super Sammy. There's plenty of reasons to go after Nix if you're so inclined- no need to rewrite the man's work. I liked Nix overall. Poor guy was stuck between ol' 'cash to cap' and having a frickin' concrete weight in Doug Whaley chained to his leg. But we actually looked like a football team out there. For the first time in a decade I didn't feel like an NFL Europe team got plopped into the middle of the AFC East. sure we didn't seriously compete with NE, but we did finally beat them under his tenure. I like Nix. Thank you for setting the record straight. Compared to the manure show that were the Bills drafts under Russ Brandon/Dick Jauron (2006-2009), Nix was a breath of fresh air. One of the things to keep in mind about the Bills GMs from January, 2006 through May, 2018 (when Russ Brandon was fired), GMs had very limited power. Essentially, Brandon and his bean counters controlled budgets, especially coaching staff budgets, and frequently decided which players to acquire or keep based primarily on financial considerations. Russ Brandon operated on the principle of maximizing profits with little concern for fielding a winning team. Before joining the Bills in the early 2000s, he had infamously sold off most of the talent from the 1997 World Series Champion Florida Marlins in the 1998 MLB off-season, resulting in the Marlins finishing with the worst record ever for any MLB team that won the World Series the year before. The Marlins payroll went from the near the top of the league to bottom feeder territory but their profitability improved significantly. The Bills GMs during Brandon's regime were: 2006 - 2007: Marv Levy was a figurehead. I think it was Wilson's way of helping Levy financially. 2008 - 2009: No formal GM. Brandon ran the show financially. Jauron selected the talent. 2010 - 2013: Buddy Nix was primarily a talent evaluator. He resigned as GM in May, 2013. 2013 - 2017: Doug Whaley was again another a talent evaluator. He was fired immediately after the 2017 draft. 2017 - present: Brandon Beane was hired with a lot of support from Sean McDermott. Like his predecessors he didn't have full control over the team. When Russ Brandon was fired in May, 2018, Pegula gave Beane full control of the team. After the end of the 2018 season, the Bills fired the entire offensive coaching staff except for Brian Daboll. They not only replaced all of the fired coaches, but also hired a bonafide QB coach to mentor Josh Allen ... and as the pundits say, "the rest is history". Edited May 3, 2022 by SoTier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 16 hours ago, eball said: It’s still unbelievable to me that happened to this day. Christ. Nope, it was Travis Henry. If I remember correctly, it was Joel Bushbaum who described Henry that way in his Pro Football Weekly draft guide. Not sure if he was the first to use that term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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