Punching Bag Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, klos63 said: I thought Hyde was a regular with Green Bay, I remember seeing him on the field a lot and was very excited when we signed him. He was but not in same position. Sometimes he'd be 3rd safety, extra DB, replacing player out. Jack of all trades. I am a Green Bay fan and when game was on I'd watch Packers. When free agency came in 2017 he was first player I wanted the Bills to sign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I agree that she needs to stay out of it and she really needs to keep Micah Hyde out of it, I would be pissed if I were him. She did delete that tweet. she and Jordan both say they love the Bills but both seem to not like the politics of NYS and have been pretty open about that. I don’t know if it impacts whether he wants to stay or tries to get out but Beane indicated it played a factor in Beasely asking to be traded. And this is not a political post. Just saying what I’ve observed. Hold up, she talked smack about Hyde? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 52 minutes ago, SCBills said: It doesn't just work that way though.. If we do a new deal with Poyer, are you ok losing Edmunds and Knox? Maybe Beane finds a way to keep 2 of them, but it's highly unlikely all 3 get new deals and in the realm of possibilities we can only keep 1. Maybe at this point it is just best to not make assumptions on who we can keep and who we can't. Beane has proven us wrong on multiple occasions regarding who we can and can't keep. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Hyde is likely here 2 years. I don’t see any room for Edmunds now. Those fans calling for him to be moved are about to be very happy. I want the Bills and Beane to be smart and trade Edmunds now to ge value. How much value do you think that Edmonds has ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: Rachel's bush is always up in everyone's face... Lol that's all she knows how to do. Only reason she has what she has. She's just a media ho literally. Obviously it hasn't made her happy as she's still crying for more. If Poyer ever smartens up she will be left with nothing, but as that is what she's earn well then thats okay by me. Any players that want to be paid top dollar better be putting in that level of play. At the moment all the Bills who are producing at highest levels of their positions are on offense. The defensive rankings are More a product of the scheme moreso than individual elite play. I hope Tre White can get back to his previous level. I know he will put in the work so if the rehab goes well I expect he'll be back to being a top nfl corner. And really even White isn't irreplaceable in our defense. Poyer is a good solid player as are many on our defense, but not until we signed Von Miller did we have a true difference maker. Tre was limited somewhat as other teams avoided his areas whenever they could, which was often enough that Josh had to carry the team more than he should. Any of the defense wanting big raises better be making the plays that deserve the big bucks. Otherwise they are welcome to cash their checks at a new location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Poyer has earned more $ and he’s worth it to this team. Always on field. Give him a 2 year extension fully guaranteed 2 years 15.5 mil we can afford it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Putin said: How much value do you think that Edmonds has ? Not directed to me, but I do think Edmunds could bring back a 3rd...maybe a 2nd. Someone is going to be enamored with his size, potential and youth. Even though he's in the final year of his rookie contract, a team that is not as cap constrained as us will want to get him in the building under a sure-to-be negotiated long term contract to be for their defense, what we hoped he would be for us. Edited April 7, 2022 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, MJS said: Maybe at this point it is just best to not make assumptions on who we can keep and who we can't. Beane has proven us wrong on multiple occasions regarding who we can and can't keep. True enough they also know more on who is worth what based on what they do for the plays called. If they are vital the coaches and players will know it. They be offered what they are worth to the team if it matches or is close they'll negotiate but never with the wife's via social media. Rachel mouthing off on Twitter may even sour other interested teams from offering Poyer if they feel she is unwanted baggage with her media antics. Cole Beasley is finding a bare market likely more in part with his media antics. Without them he may have had a much stronger market to max his value. Rachel may mess up Poyers options if she keeps it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 19 hours ago, H2o said: Rachel Bush after seeing Diggs get a new contract: "See, they just paid Stefon big money, blahbiddy, blah, blah, blah-blah, blah, blah I’d check to see what she tweeted, but… 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, SCBills said: Not directed to me, but I do think Edmunds could bring back a 3rd...maybe a 2nd. Someone is going to be enamored with his size, potential and youth. Even though he's in the final year of his rookie contract, a team that is not as cap constrained as us will want to get him in the building under a sure-to-be negotiated long term contract to be for their defense, what we hoped he would be for us. Also under different coaching and scheme he may morph into a different player. He just doesn't seem to be a perfect fit in current role. Hopefully he is just a late bloomer and the light goes on. If they trade him or not I'm confident they can keep the defense playing at sufficient level to not be the cause of too many losses. That's the true benefit of having 17. It takes an awful lot to negate what Josh can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I’m with you… they have to come to grips with the fact that allocating the amount of cap and draft picks they have to the defense isn’t a formula for success moving forward…. Gotta find some later round gems who can start at the non star positions… Specifically defensively. ATM they are loaded with either high picks, high salary or both EVERYWHERE on defense(and it will only add to the point if they take a first round CB)…. You look across the other side of the ball and you have Allen, Dawkins, Diggs and a bunch of patch work contracts/later round picks to fill in. I really hope this is where they start to emphasize more picks and investment offensively. Starting with this draft. Completely agree. If they want to go RD1 CB, fine, but trading up for one seems ridiculous. If Booth is there at 25, I have zero issue taking him. We'd be locked in for multiple years with Tre, Booth and Taron, with Dane and Siran as depth... that's quite the stacked group at Corner. However, if Edmunds and Poyer aren't in the long term plans.. move them while we can get compensation back. A LB and S aren't make or break pieces to a SB run. Jaquan Johnson has been in the system for years. We drafted Hamlin last year. At some point, with high end contracts all over, you have to trust your development. RD2 seems to be a sweet spot for LB. Draft Muma or Anderson to replace Edmunds and let's go. LB isn't some hard to transition position, especially with the DL we have out in front of them. That would lead to, yet another draft, where we heavy invest on defense, but at least our $$$ allocation would begin to align better and we won't be losing guys for nothing next offseason. We'd still have an Edmunds pick via trade, plus the rest of our draft, to go Offense. I don't anticipate Poyer bringing back much, maybe he's shipped out to move us up a few spots in the draft. Edited April 7, 2022 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I know we're not supposed to talk about players' wives, but... Rachel Bush is 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 56 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: "Running my mouth" because we're talking about the cap? No one is saying we want them gone or they are bad. Just that they are next on the chopping block due to the way the business works. Looking at the next few years, it's unlikely we pay a pair of 33+ year old Safeties $10M each as they age out of the league. Relax, bud. Like it or not, that's the business. Nothing against them. Yea its not like $10 million is chump change and certainly Poyer isn't OUTPLAYING that paycheck. The only one running their mouth is Rachel as she's a fan of $$$. Specifically $$$ in Poyers pocket. Likely her act will grow old to Poyer since he's sober now and he'll see what's she is worth. That alone would set Poyer up well for remainder of his life. If she suits him well, then certainly I can enjoy the clown show she provides as he's getting paid elsewhere. She'd be a fit with Brittany Matthew's over in KC. I prefer Bills players to be intelligent. ⁰ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I don’t see Beane breaking up Poyer/Hyde this season. Might throw Jordan a small bone for the year then I think he’s gone. Bush just needs to shut her yapper. Doesn’t matter how hot she is, somewhere there’s a guy sick of her crap 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Poyer and his entitled other will no longer be Bills in 2023 or before. And that would b the RIGHT choice. Oliver, Edmunds SHOULD get extensions before Poyer in a very friendly Defense for DBs and Safeties It's a given that McFrazier are DB Whisperers and that somehow the the whole of the secondary is greater than the sum of its parts. That said, someone has to be playing well in that secondary and propping up the others so it's either Dane Jackson and Levi Wallace were covering for the deficiencies of the safeties or visa versa. The long held belief is that Hyde and Poyer are enabling the Bills CB (sans T White) to play above their talents. The Bills secondary play cannot simply be attributed solely to smoke and mirrors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattymafia Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 If Poyers wife could shut her mouth for a week or so, maybe the Bills would be able to work something out. Yeah, he is awesome and probably deserves a raise, but this girl has to complain any time the bills throw any money at anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I would t be surprised if Poyer is the vet that gets traded during the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: When free agency came in 2017 he was first player I wanted the Bills to sign. I don't recall that.........most of the rest of the board was fixated on another more high profile safety whose name I can't recall. But Hyde was a pretty easy pick to sign to fix the Bills lousy safety situation, IMO. He was dynamic in the last couple months of the season for Green Bay.........arguably their best player on defense...........if you watched big NFL games you saw him because GB was a contender playing in meaningful games.........but there was virtually no love for him going into FA on TSW. The only love I saw for him was from myself and Bandit. In general the board is getting a lot more familiar with the league now that the Bills are a contender...........it's much appreciated..........a lot easier to read when there are so many more knowledgeable fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, Mattymafia said: If Poyers wife could shut her mouth for a week or so, maybe the Bills would be able to work something out. Yeah, he is awesome and probably deserves a raise, but this girl has to complain any time the bills throw any money at anyone. I’m sure Beane has better things to do that fret over her tweets. Beane and Drew R. will work out a new contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 20 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: She’s hot but seems like a headcase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 So I swore I would never be "that guy" but I heard that he has cancelled his appearance today for his charity and wont be doing anymore appearances for the time being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: So I swore I would never be "that guy" but I heard that he has cancelled his appearance today for his charity and wont be doing anymore appearances for the time being You heard this where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just now, Sierra Foothills said: You heard this where? From a friend who does charity work with the Bills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, wppete said: I would t be surprised if Poyer is the vet that gets traded during the draft. If he's threatening to hold out without a new contract before the season starts than absolutely it could happen. But the smart move is simply tell him he's free to walk next year and get a big deal elsewhere and man up during a contract year. Because you lose Poyer then all of a sudden this secondary looks like a potential liability on paper with Hyde the only sure thing to start the season. (This is assuming of course we don't sign another veteran DB, would replace Poyer with a rookie and White isnt ready to go or 100% to start the year). Edited April 7, 2022 by FilthyBeast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: So I swore I would never be "that guy" but I heard that he has cancelled his appearance today for his charity and wont be doing anymore appearances for the time being In Buffalo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just now, wppete said: In Buffalo? Correct. Could totally be business related until he meets with his new agent to go over strategy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just now, Canadian Bills Fan said: Correct. Could totally be business related until he meets with his new agent to go over strategy A lot of guys seem to employ separate agencies to coordinate their personal appearances/brand building/charity work vs. the sports agent who negotiates their contract, but IDK, maybe Rosenhaus says "you do it all through me" or at least "I represent you, we sit down and review all your work" His wife tweeted something about a barefoot rainforest walk outside cell service yesterday, so could it just be a confliction between a more recently planned vacation and an earlier planned charity event? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: So I swore I would never be "that guy" but I heard that he has cancelled his appearance today for his charity and wont be doing anymore appearances for the time being Good for him but doubt Beane is going to cave in if he's not in the future plans beyond 2022 anyway. You can't make everyone happy and he's under contract for one more year with this team with no leverage other than sitting out during off season workouts and training camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Gotta love social media, but he deserves to be taken care of by the Bills. He’s still playing really well and it’s only normal that a 31 year old on the last year of his deal wants a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 3 hours ago, AuntieEm said: Also under different coaching and scheme he may morph into a different player. He just doesn't seem to be a perfect fit in current role. Hopefully he is just a late bloomer and the light goes on. If they trade him or not I'm confident they can keep the defense playing at sufficient level to not be the cause of too many losses. That's the true benefit of having 17. It takes an awful lot to negate what Josh can do. He would be better as outside LB or as inside LB in a true 3-4. In both cases he would be better with a more solid DL who occupied OL blockers better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Correct. Could totally be business related until he meets with his new agent to go over strategy I'm pretty plugged in And I didn't hear anything about a poyer charity appearance that was cancelled in the city Not that it didn't happen, but I usually get wind of that stuff Edited April 7, 2022 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 He’s looking for his last big NFL payday, and I think perhaps it won’t be with the Bills at his age … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) Well his value is as high as it's ever going to be. Package him, our first and next year's second to get to 7 with the Giants and just draft Hamilton if he's on the board that late. I'm a Poyer fan, but I can't stand people who negotiate in public. Diggs kept quiet and got paid. The only thing bush is doing is turning fans against her husband. Edited April 7, 2022 by ndirish1978 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 He just got paid a season ago. Too bad. If he would have had an off season, would he have given back his extension money? Let him play this season and let him walk. Draft a first round CB this year. Next year you will have 1st round CB, New FS, Hyde, and White. That new FS will be coming into a great situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Poyer is very good. I don't have a problem with him wanting another deal etc. I do have a problem with the way things are being put out there by his wife. It simply isn't the way you should be doing business. Something they might need to consider, is that if not for the Bills giving him his shot in the first place, he might still be scuttling around the league, chasing vet minimums. Also, when complaining about the likes of Diggs and Miller getting paid, it perhaps needs to be mentioned that Miller will be a 1st ballot HOF guy, whenever he becomes eligible, and Diggs will also get some serious consideration, if he continues as he is. Poyer won't even get close to the HOF, unless he turns in the sort of performance that wins a Superbowl, and gets him more noticed. While currently, Poyer and Hyde get a lot of love as the possibly best safety tandem in the NFL, the point is that it's as a tandem, rather than being specifically mentioned individually. IN the grand pecking order of who gets paid in an NFL team, generally speaking, a Safety is pretty low down on the list. Last year, Poyer was something like 13th on the list of highest paid safeties, with Hyde just behind him - and that is towards the end of his deal. Seems to me that that shows that he got decent terms the last time around. Noticeably, Mathieu was getting about $14million per, but he's been cut, and is yet to sign elsewhere iirc. If Poyer becomes a headache, then the Bills could just cut him (I'm not too bothered about the cap considerations atm), and where is he going to go to get the sort of money he's on now? 1 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 So thankful Beane is GM and not the fans…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: It's a given that McFrazier are DB Whisperers and that somehow the the whole of the secondary is greater than the sum of its parts. That said, someone has to be playing well in that secondary and propping up the others so it's either Dane Jackson and Levi Wallace were covering for the deficiencies of the safeties or visa versa. The long held belief is that Hyde and Poyer are enabling the Bills CB (sans T White) to play above their talents. The Bills secondary play cannot simply be attributed solely to smoke and mirrors. Sure it can. Tell me How hard do you think it is for a player to be 15 yards off the Ball. With their eyes looking right at the QB. safety is easier to play than RB OG WLB and those are all very easy positions. Safety is the easiest position to play on a football field. Now add it into a Cover 3 DB friendly defenses. And You have two players that have been moved on from their other teams making all pros. Hyde is the glue back there I can get same production from any NFL safety next to Hyde. Doesn’t have to have the name Poyer or be paid 12M a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Magox Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: Well his value is as high as it's ever going to be. Package him, our first and next year's second to get to 7 with the Giants and just draft Hamilton if he's on the board that late. I'm a Poyer fan, but I can't stand people who negotiate in public. Diggs kept quiet and got paid. The only thing bush is doing is turning fans against her husband. I would not be happy if we did this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff1954 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 A lot of really insightful comments here. The problem I am having is reconciling the following thoughts: 1. We are all-in to win the Super Bowl this year. We would therefore want our All Pro safety on the team. 2. There are a lot of rumours that we want to move up in the draft. However, given the size and number of contracts for Josh, Stefon, Von etc., we are going to need to hit on as many draft picks as possible over the next few years to field a really competitive team. The best chance of doing this is to have as many draft picks as possible. Therefore, we won’t want to give up the necessary draft picks for any move past a couple of places. 3. Therefore, to move up in this year’s draft, Beane might prefer to trade a player who is nearing the end of his contract; especially if the player or player’s wife might be happy to leave for a longer or higher contract. 4. However, 3 undermines 1. unless we can replace that player with as good or better player by moving up in the draft. I love the NFL. It is the only sport in the whole world where the off-season is as interesting as the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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