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8 hours ago, Logic said:


Hamilton is awesome, but it would be a bizarre “spinning our wheels” move to trade up for a safety. I also don’t think it would play well in the locker room to move on from Po or Hyde, not to mention both guys are coming off career years.

 

I get planning for the future, but it would be downright weird and illogical of me to move up for a safety.

Think Hamilton could play MLB?

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13 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

 I was going to start a post on Monday on how I really felt the Bills were going to move up in this draft. This roster is stacked and they only need a stud CB to complete it.  Yes, I can also see going after Hall or Jameson or another top WR.

 

I feel the FO is saying we need 2 impact players (and a shot at a 3rd)  under team control for 4-5 years. Let's identify them and do whatever it takes to get them in a Bills uni.  After Rd 3 or 4, I don't see another draft pick making this team unless they find some hidden gem out of nowhere.  This draft is about getting a CB/WR and maybe another G and RB. The first two they have identified their targets and will move to get them, like they did with Allen and Edmonds.  

 

After that it's taking swings on potential with a Safety, LB, RB.  I totally trust this FO to make it happen. Can't wait for the draft!

 

 

 

 

While I agree with the strategy I don’t think this is the year to toss away extra draft picks. Maybe some late round ones. But this draft class should be loaded. A lot of athletes who sat out the Covid year came back this year to play. It’s a really deep draft class. I think there’s draft-able starters in the 4th this year. Maybe even 5th. 
 

Time will tell but this may be the most exciting day 3 draft watch for me in several years.  

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14 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Think Hamilton could play MLB?


Too light in the britches.

He's 6'4", 220 lbs.

For comparison's sake, Tremaine Edmunds -- who many here are convinced is too slight of build to effectively play MLB -- is 6'5", 250 lbs.

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5 minutes ago, Logic said:


Too light in the britches.

He's 6'4", 220 lbs.

For comparison's sake, Tremaine Edmunds -- who many here are convinced is too slight of build to effectively play MLB -- is 6'5", 250 lbs.

De'Vondre Campbell's 6'3" 232 lbs.      So one good year in the weight room and he'd be right there.

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4 hours ago, Magnum Force said:

Troy Anderson 

Troy Anderson has the make up of the next perennial all-pro LB…. Boom or bust guy…. Only cause more is desired being the level of competition he faced in college……. But I’m leaning towards boom!!!

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8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yep. You win 🏆.

 

Bills move to the top of 15, Giants move back multiple times and up with 3-4 1st round picks in 2023.

 

bills move up twice. Top 15 then top 10.

The Bills might only be looking to move up 5-10spots.  I don’t see them trying to get into the top 10.

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3 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Troy Anderson has the make up of the next perennial all-pro LB…. Boom or bust guy…. Only cause more is desired being the level of competition he faced in college……. But I’m leaning towards boom!!!

Let’s roll the dice … looks like at 57

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20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I didn’t say that the league was suddenly trying to become great @ defense.  I just don’t think that the contending teams were going offense over defense. 




the bengals were the only team that really made big offensive moves without making any big defensive moves.  

 

the broncos added wilson…..   of course they added a super bowl franchise QB when one became available.  Ditto for the Browns.  While 2 teams got better on O….seattle and Houston got worse.  

 

chiefs and rams got worse on O.

 

Chargers added all D and retained Williams.  

 

the raiders got adams….and they also got CJones and started to overturn their secondary.  new coach- offensive coordinator 

 

miami-  I’m talking about contenders and I I don’t think they’re a contender.  They have a new HC that is an offensive guy.  They had a very good d and a terrible O….of course they attacked the offensive side of the ball. They’re trying to become relevant.  
 

Teams were trying to fix what was wrong…….  Not much wrong with our O except IOL.  We fixed it.  Sure, we need another star WR….but we decided to rather get a super star pass rusher after we couldn’t sack Mahomes.  Tough to get another super star on O considering we had 2M of cap to start.  I think our defensive moves will prove to be just what we need.

But let’s not forget Saffold, Howard, crowder and Duke Johnson.  And it’s not even April.  

What he is doing doesn’t have to be classified as zagging or zigging.  He’s just kicking ***.   Beane is doing what he normally does.  Improve our team.  
 

 

 

What did the Chargers need to add on offense?   They are loaded at WR and have a RB who scored 20 TD's.  They just drafted a stud LT.   The biggest investment they made this offseason was $20M aav to retain Mike Williams to retain their strong group of play makers.

 

"The contenders" were already very dynamic offensively and the opposition is trying hard to play catch up because QB play and offense is the name of the game.

 

IMO........the Bills receiving corps is not as talented as it was in 2020..........they are the annual Gabe Davis lower leg injury away from Jake Kumerow playing meaningful snaps on the outside..........in 2020 they had a top 5 WR corps.........they are middle of the road there now.........which doesn't seem like a great position to be in when your HC/GM say WR is your "fastball".

 

Additionally.........the OL was really bad last year in games where the Bills weren't using Josh Allen like a RB.   I like retaining Bates but Saffold was a mehcquisition.   

 

Offense should be a priority here.   I thought you were in agreement with Beane's original statements about protecting Josh being job #1.    That hasn't been the tenor of the offseason so far.   That's OK but hopefully that changes in the draft.   Time to support the only reason the team is a contender........the QB.

 

 

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3 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Yeah I’m not trusting a dude with <1000 followers who can’t even get Matt Araiza’s name correct


Yeah. Making a simple brain fart name mistake and not having a lot of Twitter followers definitely disqualifies him from knowing anything.

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48 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

It’s my issue with McD… I still don’t think the dude gets out scoring the opposing team at the expense of defense is the way the league is trending now a days… McD had mentioned not getting into shoot outs with certain teams(which makes 0 sense to me when your offense is more than capable of beating anyone in a shootout)…. And I think that played a part in the strange offensive decision making in the 3rd quarter in the divisional game… he’s certainly made big strides, but feel like he(and perhaps Beane feels the pressure) can’t resist in the off-season to put the focus on defense.

 

I’ll shake my head if this is yet another front loaded defensive heavy draft. 


Kind of a funny thing to say about a head coach who resides over a team that ranked 3rd and 2nd in offensive points per game the last two seasons, and who have one the pass happiest (particularly on 1st down and in neutral down and distance situations) , most modern, forward thinking offenses in the league. We're talking about the guy who has directly said "it's a quarterback driven league" and "I want to score as many points as possible, whatever it takes".

Conversely, the Bills ranked 1st and 16th in defensive points per game allowed over the last two seasons. And while that #1 ranking was nice last year, we all saw that against good passing offenses led by good quarterbacks, they often folded like a cheap suit.

I want to keep the offense potent and to add a couple WRs as much as the next guy, but I don't know how anyone could watch the Bills get bounced from the playoffs two years in a row due to giving up 35+ to the Chiefs and conclude that drafting a few defensive players will make them "shake their head". Offense is not what prevented the Bills from going to the Super Bowl last year. I mean, coaching was, if we're being honest. 13 seconds. We all know. But if we ARE gonna blame one side of the ball for that loss, it's damned sure the side that gave up 35+, not the side that scored at a record pace in the playoffs.

 

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1 minute ago, wppete said:


Tine to cut that hair.

Maybe the opposite of Sampson effect.  

He gets stronger

His read and react time improves

He can get off blocks

And blitz QBs.  

 

Is that asking too much?

 

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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Wouldn’t exactly say they’ve fixed the offensive line… They could certainly use more inside and someone legitimate to compete with Brown at RT who was putrid at times in pass protection. 


Concerning 2022….we have our starters on the OL.  We need depth. Whether or not you approve of Spencer Brown, it seems that McD, Beane and Kromer do.  He was putrid at times. That was expected by most.  They’re counting on improvement.  I don’t see why he wouldn’t improve, playing last season after not playing for over a year.  

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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

What did the Chargers need to add on offense?   They are loaded at WR and have a RB who scored 20 TD's.  They just drafted a stud LT.   The biggest investment they made this offseason was $20M aav to retain Mike Williams to retain their strong group of play makers.

 

"The contenders" were already very dynamic offensively and the opposition is trying hard to play catch up because QB play and offense is the name of the game.

 

IMO........the Bills receiving corps is not as talented as it was in 2020..........they are the annual Gabe Davis lower leg injury away from Jake Kumerow playing meaningful snaps on the outside..........in 2020 they had a top 5 WR corps.........they are middle of the road there now.........which doesn't seem like a great position to be in when your HC/GM say WR is your "fastball".

 

Additionally.........the OL was really bad last year in games where the Bills weren't using Josh Allen like a RB.   I like retaining Bates but Saffold was a mehcquisition.   

 

Offense should be a priority here.   I thought you were in agreement with Beane's original statements about protecting Josh being job #1.    That hasn't been the tenor of the offseason so far.   That's OK but hopefully that changes in the draft.   Time to support the only reason the team is a contender........the QB.

 

 

The chargers tried to fix the reason they missed the playoffs  Their D.  
 

Our season ended because of two things. Neither include our offense.  Coaching and not being able to corral Mahomes in the pocket. He’s not going to fire Frazier and I think they did a great job along our DL.

 

The bengals held Kc to 24.  18 less that we did.  Their pass rush wrecked in the 4th qtr.  The team that won the super bowl last year had the best pass rush and defense in the league (imo).  Not the best offense.  The final score was 23-20.  The rams got a defensive stop to win the game.  It matters.  
 

It’s an offensive league….I’m not denying that.  I just don’t agree with the thought that Beane is doing something completely different than everyone else.  That’s utter nonsense. 

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9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The chargers tried to fix the reason they missed the playoffs  Their D.  
 

Our season ended because of two things. Neither include our offense.  Coaching and not being able to corral Mahomes in the pocket. He’s not going to fire Frazier and I think they did a great job along our DL.

 

The bengals held Kc to 24.  18 less that we did.  Their pass rush wrecked in the 4th qtr.  The team that won the super bowl last year had the best pass rush and defense in the league (imo).  Not the best offense.  The final score was 23-20.  The rams got a defensive stop to win the game.  It matters.  
 

It’s an offensive league….I’m not denying that.  I just don’t agree with the thought that Beane is doing something completely different than everyone else.  That’s utter nonsense. 

 

 

The problem with the offseason is that the deeper we get into it...........the more people forget how things actually transpired and what it means going forward.

 

The offense that got the Bills back into the playoffs after a late season push was predicated on running Josh Allen 10-15 times per game.

 

The offense needs to be able to function without Josh Allen running..........and certainly not on the 200 carry season pace he went on after the season went code red after the Monday night debacle at home against NE.]

 

I'm all about adding the elite pass rusher............but $15M aav for 3 new DT's was lavish.     And swapping out Daryl Williams for Rodger Saffold and Beasley/Sanders for Crowder wasn't enough(if ANY) improvement offensively.

 

I am glad Bates is back because I suspect he will have to fill in for Saffold a lot.   Still need more OL help and need a receiver who can produce some RAC for what was the absolute worst RAC team in the NFL.  

 

How soon we forget.

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4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You would think so… another legitimate option in case Brown pulls a Cody Ford would be ideal though…. I’d gladly swap a first round corner for a potential stud 1st round tackle… again, this team is jack ***** without Allen. Give him everything.


Herbert had everything….except a defense.   Missed the playoffs because of it.

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10 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Vets that are valuable would be Hyde, Poyer, Dawkins, Diggs but you create hole but gain cap space. Interesting. 

 

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

They aren’t trading Hyde. Poyer and Edmunds the most likely in this scenario.

 

I don't think any of this does happen, but the simple fact is that Hyde (and Poyer) are both now on the wrong side of 30 and we do have a couple of young Safeties we've been grooming. Jaquan Johnson is a guy who's been under their tutelage for 3 years now and he's in the final year of his rookie deal.

 

I don't think it happens, but I do think Hyde and Poyer might be the most likely candidates given age, contracts, and what's behind them. 

 

Though Edmunds might be the popular move, who would fill his spot on our roster?

10 hours ago, Logic said:

The two key questions here:

 

Who would the Bills be moving up for?

 

What veterans have trade value?

 

The logical answers to the first question would seem to be a corner or WR. Maybe they really like Derek Stingley or Jameson Williams.

 

The only answers I could come up with to the second question are Tremaine Edmunds and Zack Moss. 
 

Interesting report. I can’t see them moving up TOO high, as it would cost a ton to get from 25th into the top 10. Maybe they just want to get inside the top 20 to ensure they get one of these WRs or CBS before the talent level drops off.

 

Any GM trading for Zack Moss would soon be fired.

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37 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think the point is to give Josh as much support as possible to prolong his career. The guy has put the team on his back and carried them as far as they could go(should’ve been farther if not for a McD brain fart) two years in a row…. They are marginally better on the offensive line to this point and are arguably worse at the wide out position to this point. As Badoll had said, the league is about stacking offense and offensive playmakers… not attempting stack defense year after year….. hell, they’ve already been doing that offseason after offseason and they been exposed at some point in the season despite their investments…. I wonder at what point they realize and actual act on the fact that protecting and giving Allen all the help he can get  offensively is their best pathway to success. 


Good post, I actually agree with your overall point. I’ve said all offseason that I’d like them to draft a WR in the first and to stack talent on offense.

 

Still, it’s at least worth asking: which would have more likely allowed us to win last year’s Chiefs game rather than lose it? Defensive reinforcements or offensive reinforcements? An Edge and a corner or a wide receiver and a guard?

 

Where was the level of play more deficient, WR or CB?

 

That’s my main point. We didn’t lose the most important game of last season due to a lack of offensive talent. 
 

While I’m hoping for a shiny new WR, it’s easy to see how an elite corner would help push us past the Chiefs and the other potent AFC offenses more than another weapon for Josh.

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The more I do mock drafts across multiple platforms, the more I'm convinced the Bills will look to trade up or trade to draft very specific players rather than wait to see how the board falls. The early part of Round 1 will be the biggest determining factor - mainly how many QBs actually get taken in the first.

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28 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The problem with the offseason is that the deeper we get into it...........the more people forget how things actually transpired and what it means going forward.

 

The offense that got the Bills back into the playoffs after a late season push was predicated on running Josh Allen 10-15 times per game.

 

The offense needs to be able to function without Josh Allen running..........and certainly not on the 200 carry season pace he went on after the season went code red after the Monday night debacle at home against NE.]

 

I'm all about adding the elite pass rusher............but $15M aav for 3 new DT's was lavish.     And swapping out Daryl Williams for Rodger Saffold and Beasley/Sanders for Crowder wasn't enough(if ANY) improvement offensively.

 

I am glad Bates is back because I suspect he will have to fill in for Saffold a lot.   Still need more OL help and need a receiver who can produce some RAC for what was the absolute worst RAC team in the NFL.  

 

How soon we forget.

The last 6 games josh had 3, 12, 15, 5, 6, 11 rushes respectively.  And offense predicated on him rushing 3-15 times.  We ran him when we had to run him. I hope that’s the case in every playoff.
 

I get your point and I agree, Josh shouldn’t run that much during the regular season.  I agree that we should be looking to add more weapons and improve the offense.  It’s April 1….,there is time to add more in the draft and FA.  You think he’s done on offense?
 

my point is……again……that Beane isn’t doing what @ScottLawsaid he was….zagging while the rest of the league is zigging.  Meanwhile we’re the unanimous #1 team in the league at the moment.  

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I don't see any way the Bills will be using all 8 picks in this draft, let alone 7. I see them making 5 or 6 picks in the midst of a trade up or 2 for sure. Why bother taking 8 when maybe only 5 will make the team?

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31 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The last 6 games josh had 3, 12, 15, 5, 6, 11 rushes respectively.  And offense predicated on him rushing 3-15 times.  We ran him when we had to run him. I hope that’s the case in every playoff.
 

I get your point and I agree, Josh shouldn’t run that much during the regular season.  I agree that we should be looking to add more weapons and improve the offense.  It’s April 1….,there is time to add more in the draft and FA.  You think he’s done on offense?
 

my point is……again……that Beane isn’t doing what @ScottLawsaid he was….zagging while the rest of the league is zigging.  Meanwhile we’re the unanimous #1 team in the league at the moment.  

 

Over a 4 game stretch Allen ran the ball 42 times........after the home NE loss (6) and before the finale against the uncompetitive Jets(5).......that's clearly what I was talking about and you should remember that.  In the middle of that stretch of 4 games they tried to have Allen just throw from the pocket against Carolina,  the 3 rush game, but it turned into one of his worst passing games of the year and he was sacked 4 times........so it was back to QB runs.

 

They clearly realized that the offense wasn't working well enough to beat a good team without using Allen like RB1...........this realization after scoring just 9 points in Jax and 15 points and 10 points against Indy and NE in losses at home over a 5 game stretch.

 

Things WERE NOT going well on offense until Josh started pounding the rock.

 

And yes right now the Bills are the betting favorites..........not the #1 team in the NFL........KC was the betting favorite this time last season and didn't reach the SB.

 

Didn't you have a large wager on the Bills win total that went to hell because of that offensive slump at mid-season which was mainly due to the combination of poor OL play and a lack of RAC ability in the receiving corps?    

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1 hour ago, Logic said:

Still, it’s at least worth asking: which would have more likely allowed us to win last year’s Chiefs game rather than lose it? Defensive reinforcements or offensive reinforcements?

 

The answer is either one... One more game changing player on either side of the ball would have been the difference. The people demanding an offensive player in the 1st round are 50% likely to be happy. Beane will draft a BPA in the 1st round like he always does.

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5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I think the point is to give Josh as much support as possible to prolong his career. The guy has put the team on his back and carried them as far as they could go(should’ve been farther if not for a McD brain fart) two years in a row…. They are marginally better on the offensive line to this point and are arguably worse at the wide out position to this point. As Badoll had said, the league is about stacking offense and offensive playmakers… not attempting stack defense year after year….. hell, they’ve already been doing that offseason after offseason and they been exposed at some point in the season despite their investments…. I wonder at what point they realize and actual act on the fact that protecting and giving Allen all the help he can get  offensively is their best pathway to success. 

 

 

Regardless of who said what, the league is absolutely not about stacking offense and offensive playmakers. It's about playmakers at QB, and having a few others, on both sides of the ball. It's about eliminating major holes by putting together a roster with consistent talent. It's not about depth, until it is, and at that point, depth is huge. And it's about system fit and system resiliency.

 

As noted above, the Rams didn't have a great offense. 

 

Both sides of the ball are big.

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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Still need more OL help and need a receiver who can produce some RAC for what was the absolute worst RAC team in the NFL.  

 

Well if we're talking 1st round I don't see a high probability we're drafting OL or a YAC specialist.

 

I don't foresee there being an OT available at pick 25 that is also BPA, not based on the mocks and boards I've looked at. You don't want them to draft an OG (I agree with this) so that takes OL off the table.

 

As far as WRs I want my 1st round WR to be someone that projects as an eventual #1 outside WR. Guys that meet that standard that have a decent chance of being available at pick 25 are Chris Watson, Alan Pierce, maybe Chris Olave. Of those players only Watson is a YAC specialist. I like Burks and Dotson and some of the slot receivers like Moore and Austin III, but none of those project as traditional #1 WRs IMO. So if you want a YAC WR in the 1st round it's Watson or bust, unless a bunch of teams lose their mind and let Jameson Williams fall that far.

 

So the needs you're looking for will be better filled in round 2 and beyond. In round 1 we should do what we always do, pick high upside players at any position that project as eventual true #1s at their position. More likely than not that will end up being an athletic CB or a WR with elite physical traits but not necessarily elite speed and YAC ability.

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12 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

I would still rather trade a pick or picks for an established player

The Rams method.

 

If only there was a team still in cap trouble, with a starting caliber CB and a relationship with the Bills FO.


Plugging holes with veterans doesn’t always work out.  Borderline teams can’t expect to grab 3-4 big ticket FA’s/proven veterans and expect a huge turnaround.  Teams like the Bills can grab one of two and push themselves over the top.

 

Unless there is a trade where we reduce cap to add the new cap hit, Beane isn’t shopping any more.  He clearly has stated his draft picks are important because they fit the cap, especially someone who is a starter or backup who plays a lot.  That’s why I could see him jump up in the first round, especially to get a CB who will play the next few years at a lower cap hit.  I see a mid round pick if anything because of the reduced salaries there versus the top of the round.

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3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Well if we're talking 1st round I don't see a high probability we're drafting OL or a YAC specialist.

 

I don't foresee there being an OT available at pick 25 that is also BPA, not based on the mocks and boards I've looked at. You don't want them to draft an OG (I agree with this) so that takes OL off the table.

 

As far as WRs I want my 1st round WR to be someone that projects as an eventual #1 outside WR. Guys that meet that standard that have a decent chance of being available at pick 25 are Chris Watson, Alan Pierce, maybe Chris Olave. Of those players only Watson is a YAC specialist. I like Burks and Dotson and some of the slot receivers like Moore and Austin III, but none of those project as traditional #1 WRs IMO. So if you want a YAC WR in the 1st round it's Watson or bust, unless a bunch of teams lose their mind and let Jameson Williams fall that far.

 

So the needs you're looking for will be better filled in round 2 and beyond. In round 1 we should do what we always do, pick high upside players at any position that project as eventual true #1s at their position. More likely than not that will end up being an athletic CB or a WR with elite physical traits but not necessarily elite speed and YAC ability.

 

 

OL might be off the table for you folks. Doesn't mean it's off the table for Beane. Likely it's not.

 

Guard could very easily be the pick, if they like one of the two or three or at absolute most four guards this year who appear to be good enough to be considered BPA at #25: Penning if they think he could transition to guard, Kenyon Green, Zion Johnson, and maybe Kinnard if they have him that high. Probably they think one or two of those might be a possible BPA, a guard and a fit with the kind of player they want there. They might not. Equally, they might. 

 

WR, CB, IOL and DL will probably be the positions they will consider to be positions of need at this point and reasonable first round considerations. Later, other positions will also be considered, IMO.

 

 

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