Are we over-reacting to the 13 seconds?

[Buffalo Ballin]

Yes. We are truly overreacting.

 

13 seconds is still a big deal though, but I think this will not haunt us. I mean, I already moved on myself AFTER seeing how Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs had a nuclear meltdown against Joe Burrow's Cincinnati Bengals in the AFC Title game.

 

I'm happy that I'm not a Kansas City Chiefs fan. Holy crap. They have TONS of questions this Summer about the defense. I honestly think their DC has to be fired immediately, no questions asked. And the personnel on defense has to be changed up.

 

Truth is Mahomes Magic has weaknesses.

 

What a bunch of frauds. They gave us their best punch, but got cocky and ran out of gas against Cincinnati. The Bengals studied our mistakes from the Divisional game and capitalized on that.

 

And our defense WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH to beat Mahomes. Simply put, our defense collapsed. We didn't have a power running game. That flaw showed up, too.

 

GM Beane really has to strengthen our defense with hard hitters, discipline, and SPEED. The Bengals did just that. Why can't us? The Bengals got roughly 4 sacks, 2 picks, 2 tackles for loss, near sacks and near interceptions. That got into Mahomes' head; mind games. Mahomes had plenty of time in the pocket and he doubted everything.

 

The path to the Superbowl no longer goes through Kansas City. Let's face it...next year's Buffalo Bills (without major injuries) will crush Mahomes anyway. This doesn't mean that we're dismissing the Chiefs. No way. We're not dismissing anyone. It's just Mahomes is weak now. Their nuclear melt down was a huge hit to his legacy and their fan base's spirit.

 

The path now goes through Cincinnati and Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is undefeated in close games or something like that since college (correct me if I'm wrong). He's probably the new Tom Brady. Also, The Bengals defense is damn good.

 

13 seconds. So what?

 

Kansas City Chiefs cannot live theirs down. I don't want to be them. This nuclear meltdown will be talked a lot ad nauseam. This is going to haunt them for a long time.

 

- Atlanta Falcons never recovered from their nuclear meltdown against Tom Brady in the Super Bowl.

- Houston Oilers never recovered from our 1993 playoff comeback.

- The Tennessee Titans never recovered from the inches short from winning the Super Bowl against Kurt Warner's Rams.

- Seattle Seahawks has not recovered from QB Russell Wilson's fatal interception at the Super Bowl against Tom Brady and the Patriots.

 

We ACTUALLY recovered from Wide Right because we made 3 straight SB appearances after that. We circle the effin' wagons. We just didn't recover from Music City Miracle, and benching Doug Flutie for Rob Johnson, until 2019. That's a long damn recovery.

 

We're here now. I'm happy we did not go through a playoff nuclear melt down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 31, 2022 by Buffalo Ballin

[Billsfan1972]

Funny the moderators buried the Cincy squib kick Threads (merged in the 94 page game analysis).

 

I guess Bills fans can't talk about it as a thread.

 

See how simple that was to perform.  5-6 seconds off the clock and was returned to the 19 yard line.  

[Mikey]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Yes. We are truly overreacting.

 

13 seconds is still a big deal though, but I think this will not haunt us. I mean, I already moved on myself AFTER seeing how Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs had a nuclear meltdown against Joe Burrow's Cincinnati Bengals in the AFC Title game.

 

I'm happy that I'm not a Kansas City Chiefs fan. Holy crap. They have TONS of questions this Summer about the defense. I honestly think their DC has to be fired immediately, no questions asked. And the personnel on defense has to be changed up.

 

Truth is Mahomes Magic has weaknesses.

 

What a bunch of frauds. They gave us their best punch, but got cocky and ran out of gas against Cincinnati. The Bengals studied our mistakes from the Divisional game and capitalized on that.

 

And our defense WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH to beat Mahomes. Simply put, our defense collapsed. We didn't have a power running game. That flaw showed up, too.

 

GM Beane really has to strengthen our defense with hard hitters, discipline, and SPEED. The Bengals did just that. Why can't us? The Bengals got roughly 4 sacks, 2 picks, 2 tackles for loss, near sacks and near interceptions. That got into Mahomes' head; mind games. Mahomes had plenty of time in the pocket and he doubted everything.

 

The path to the Superbowl no longer goes through Kansas City. Let's face it...next year's Buffalo Bills (without major injuries) will crush Mahomes anyway. This doesn't mean that we're dismissing the Chiefs. No way. We're not dismissing anyone. It's just Mahomes is weak now. Their nuclear melt down was a huge hit to his legacy and their fan base's spirit.

 

The path now goes through Cincinnati and Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is undefeated in close games or something like that since college (correct me if I'm wrong). He's probably the new Tom Brady. Also, The Bengals defense is damn good.

 

13 seconds. So what?

 

Kansas City Chiefs cannot live theirs down. I don't want to be them. This nuclear meltdown will be talked a lot ad nauseam. This is going to haunt them for a long time.

 

- Atlanta Falcons never recovered from their nuclear meltdown against Tom Brady in the Super Bowl.

- Houston Oilers never recovered from our 1993 playoff comeback.

- The Tennessee Titans never recovered from the inches short from winning the Super Bowl against Kurt Warner's Rams.

- Seattle Seahawks has not recovered from QB Russell Wilson's fatal interception at the Super Bowl against Tom Brady and the Patriots.

 

We ACTUALLY recovered from Wide Right because we made 3 straight SB appearances after that. We circle the effin' wagons. We just didn't recover from Music City Miracle, and benching Doug Flutie for Rob Johnson, until 2019. That's a long damn recovery.

 

We're here now. I'm happy we did not go through a playoff nuclear melt down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This team is different than the other playoff Buffalo Bills teams. There was no self “victimization” on any level that was out there by this team post game and that big. Josh Allen post game comments show a lot about him and I think that when we meet KC next year in playoffs that we crush them. Don’t even think it’s gonna be close. I think we’ll be way more aggressive on D as well. 

 

The overreactions to this loss are understandable but aren’t accurate. The reactions are in large part because of the relationship and love this fan base has with Buffalo Bills.

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

On 1/29/2022 at 9:17 PM, Bermuda Triangle said:

Well, the defense sucked for the first 59:47 of the game as well.

 

Why did the offense wait so long to attack downfield when Mathieu went out?  

While the defense wasn’t at their best in this game two facts remain. The score was tied at halftime, and the Bills had the lead with just 13 seconds to go. You can always pick apart other moments in the game, but these are the most important points. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

4 hours ago, Mikey said:

This team is different than the other playoff Buffalo Bills teams. There was no self “victimization” on any level that was out there by this team post game and that big. Josh Allen post game comments show a lot about him and I think that when we meet KC next year in playoffs that we crush them. Don’t even think it’s gonna be close. I think we’ll be way more aggressive on D as well. 

 

The overreactions to this loss are understandable but aren’t accurate. The reactions are in large part because of the relationship and love this fan base has with Buffalo Bills.

 

 

 

 

I already stated this. Why are you repeating what I wrote?

 

So you agree with me. Thanks.

 

A nuclear meltdown in the playoffs is 10,000x worse than 13 Seconds.

Edited February 1, 2022 by Buffalo Ballin

[Lane Meyer K12]

It was a heartbreaking loss to say the least but overall a will played game. I think had the Chiefs not had any time outs it would have been far worse. I also think it would have been far worse to have lost on a fluke play like the "Music City Miracle". The team played well and the defensive play calling and defensive play in the end cost the Bills the game. It really just came down to who had the ball last. The will to win for both quarterbacks was off the charts and I would like to think had Allen had the ball in his hands in over time the Bills would have one. I don't think that any fan should feel ashamed of this one and I personally feel nothing but pride for the way they played. It simply didn't go the Bills way this time and they will live to fight another day.  

[Billsfan1972]

53 minutes ago, Lane Meyer K12 said:

It was a heartbreaking loss to say the least but overall a will played game. I think had the Chiefs not had any time outs it would have been far worse. I also think it would have been far worse to have lost on a fluke play like the "Music City Miracle". The team played well and the defensive play calling and defensive play in the end cost the Bills the game. It really just came down to who had the ball last. The will to win for both quarterbacks was off the charts and I would like to think had Allen had the ball in his hands in over time the Bills would have one. I don't think that any fan should feel ashamed of this one and I personally feel nothing but pride for the way they played. It simply didn't go the Bills way this time and they will live to fight another day.  

The MCM was a comedy of errors that started when Rob Johnson was named the starter, sh!t the bed and still a # of coaching and play calling blunders.  Add to that it was a forward lateral (will forever be convinced) and let's face it was a Wildcard Playoff game.    

 

This was supposedly the SB matchup between the two best teams that was lost because of coaching blunders one after another in the final 13 seconds.  

 

Sorry this was worst way to lose.

 

BTW just listening to Bill Simmons and he called the Cincy Squib kick at the end of the half vs. KC as an FU to the Bills.....

Edited February 1, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[colin]

every single thing that happened after the heroic TD w 13 on the clock was disgusting.

 

the kick was either a coaching brain fart, or the order just didn't get through to the kicker, hard to tell which is worse.

 

the d we lined up in was a joke, and we got slashed right away.  the fact that they called TO's, and showed that line up, and then lined up in it again shows our coaches (frazier, perhaps McD, can't be certain who made it happen) just suck bad when the chips are down.  

 

the coaching staff put the players in a position to fail and got what they asked for.  

 

while there is zero chance mcd gets the boot, and it seems like a declining chance we will be rid of frazier, if we don't get to the super bowl next year (barring allen injury or the like) i suspect mcd's seat gets very warm.

[BarleyNY]

Fans are not overreacting to the loss.  The kickoff deep is defensible.  The miscommunication on the play is not.  Neither are the defensive play calls on the last two plays before the tying FG.  Inexcusable.  And that’s not even getting into the defense the entire game.

[Dr. Who]

50 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Fans are not overreacting to the loss.  The kickoff deep is defensible.  The miscommunication on the play is not.  Neither are the defensive play calls on the last two plays before the tying FG.  Inexcusable.  And that’s not even getting into the defense the entire game.

In terms of the overall defensive game plan, it seems rather rudimentary, so perhaps I am simply missing something, but why didn't we have a spy on Mahomes as it appears the Bengals did? Whenever we got pressure on Mahomes, which was fairly often, his running killed us. Now, his decision making appears to have been erratic after the debacle at the end of the half vs. Cincy, nonetheless, spinning around like a chicken was much more evident in the AFCCG and I suspect a dedicated spy that helped eliminate long runs was part of that.

[Coffeesforclosers]

52-17 in SB 27 will always be the single most indefensible, mind numbing, ridiculous loss in Franchise history.

[Thurman#1]

On 1/27/2022 at 4:56 AM, cv05 said:

• Are we over-reacting to the 13 seconds? 

 

 

Without the slightest bit of doubt. 

 

Recency bias

Fallacy of composition

Negativity bias

Loss aversion

 

All logical fallacies that tie into this overreaction.

 

Doesn't mean we should ignore it, of course. It was bad. But yeah, we're overreacting.

[Greg S]

Its been 9 days and I am still not over the loss. I don't think I will be over it until the Bills are back in the playoffs ready to make another at the Super Bowl.

[theRalph]

Our 13 seconds was an unmitigated disaster of coaching. Most other horrific Buffalo sports moments are based On a player not executing. This is all on coaching and is a stain that may not be gone until the fabric it’s on is cut out.

19 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Without the slightest bit of doubt. 

 

Recency bias

Fallacy of composition

Negativity bias

Loss aversion

 

All logical fallacies that tie into this overreaction.

 

Doesn't mean we should ignore it, of course. It was bad. But yeah, we're overreacting.

No, we’re not.

[Mikey]

22 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

 

I already stated this. Why are you repeating what I wrote?

 

So you agree with me. Thanks.

 

A nuclear meltdown in the playoffs is 10,000x worse than 13 Seconds.

I quoted you because it’s the stance I’ve had as well and wanted to add more of my take on it as well. My bad if it’s just supposed to quote posts we disagree with. 

[LABILLBACKER]

13 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Fans are not overreacting to the loss.  The kickoff deep is defensible.  The miscommunication on the play is not.  Neither are the defensive play calls on the last two plays before the tying FG.  Inexcusable.  And that’s not even getting into the defense the entire game.

I've said all week the game was lost on the kickoff. Either a pop (preferred) or squib would've done the job forcing a hail mary into fg range.  I love how McD, Farwell and Bass are all under the cone of silence. We're just going to have to navigate around a good HC who struggles with in game decisions. 

[Billz4ever]

On 2/1/2022 at 9:11 AM, Coffeesforclosers said:

52-17 in SB 27 will always be the single most indefensible, mind numbing, ridiculous loss in Franchise history.

Nah, the Cowboys were just the better team.  We knew it going in.  They just ran up the score after the outcome was already certain.

 

The losses where you know the Biils should've won and you honestly believe the Bills were the better team are the ones that sting more.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I finally for the first time watched the 13 seconds in it's entirety.  Watching live I couldn't take the suspense and walked out of the room for the Kelsey play hoping to hear cheers rather than "f***!". My take is that McDermott was completely out coached. Same as everyone else has concluded. They were playing to not give up a 30+ yard completion while failing to realize how terrible the defensive alignment was from the snap. We literally conceded 20 yards on each play at the snap. There was nothing our players could have done post snap to prevent a 20 yard gain by either Kelsey or Hill.

 

As to the OP's question, this is a big deal because of the Bills incompetence here on back to back plays. The 5% chance of the Chiefs winning was supposed to come by penalty on a 35 yard pass play, a hail mary catch or Tyreek Hill just being Tyreek Hill and taking a 5 yard pass for a 70 yard TD. If either of those three scenarios happened it would still be as heart breaking but not as humiliating as the fact that the coaches put the players in a position to lose two straight plays. Somehow they didn't learn their lesson after the Hill play and gave a free 15 yards to Kelce on the next one before he even catches the ball.

 

The 2021 Bills defense feasted on below average QB's and below average offenses all year. They ate it them up so well they finished as both the #1 yardage and scoring defense. But that came back to bite them in the butt. No doubt the terrible defensive formations they were in during the 13 seconds likely would have prevented the Jets, Panthers or Texans from crossing midfield. But the Chiefs and Andy Ried? Come on.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

I just rewatched it and the defense underperformed the entire game.

 

We had no answer for Tyreek Hill and our defense was extremely predictable.

 

I know that we aren't a blitzing team, but they made no effort to disguise their front and I saw no D-line stunts or anything beyond a simple 4-man rush that over-pursued on the edge and had no inside counter.

 

Our defense needs fresh blood in the front-7 and the coaching staff.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Nope, cost us the game, we should be in the Superbowl

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Nope, cost us the game, we should be in the Superbowl

 

 

No pop up kickoff still pisses me off.  Forcing them to burn 4-5 seconds would've changed everything. Then braindead could've run his prevent defense. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

No pop up kickoff still pisses me off.  Forcing them to burn 4-5 seconds would've changed everything. Then braindead could've run his prevent defense. 

 

Yeah that was definitely a mistake, that ball needed to be inside the 10. If they didn't return it they would have had farther to go and probably not enough time score. The defense was still to lose, not pressing Kelce at the line is egregious.

 

 

[gr8billsfan]

Explain overreacting.  Having our DBs play the sidelines and playing prevent was a mistake. Let’s not get stuck in the past, rather let’s focus on what we can do for the upcoming season to improve. 

[par73]

I still can't get over the non-explanation from McDermott-- blaming execution. Nope, the players were put in a situation where the events that occurred were made possible. There is no accountability. I have to assume it was a Frazier/McDermott decison, which would explain why Frazier still has a job. Not upgrading the DC will keep a weak, play- not- to- lose coaching philosophy in place.

[Conlan58]

I don't think this 13 second catastrophe has been over reacted to. My wife on the other hand, over reacts to my 13 seconds all the time. 

[T master]

No i don't believe so ! You only have a small window to make things happen as far asa championship goes & you have to have your ducks in a row to win one & even though that game wouldn't have put the Bills in the SB it would have been the next step & they would have gotten past the KC thing .

 

Maybe this game showed them that they weren't quite ready & they will learn & feed off of those mistakes in the coming year to give them the drive to put them over the top . Just a few changes in that game & i believe the Bills could have been in the SB unless of course the Bengals could have or would have done to Josh wha they did to KC .

 

Mistakes took another game away from the Bills this year but they didn't take away a SB because none of us know what would have happened if the Bills would have played the Bengals but being at home i for sure would have given the home team a huge boost !!  

[Brand J]

I still believe… convinced actually… that if the Bills were up by less than 3 points, they would’ve played those 13 seconds differently and with more urgency.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

38 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I still believe… convinced actually… that if the Bills were up by less than 3 points, they would’ve played those 13 seconds differently and with more urgency.

 

I agree. So many hindsights. Knowing how things unfolded should have went for 2. If we failed our chances of losing increase but I agree the defensive formations pre snap would not have been as absurd as they were. 

[Rico]

Sorry if already mentioned in this thread...

 

No doubt McD ***** the bed n those 13 seconds.... but I've been watching some of the Brady retirement Super Bowls on NFL Network, and absolutely nothing is more heinous than Seattle in the Malcolm Butler game. Nothing. Falcons meltdown isn't far behind. I still believe McD will get the job done.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Rico

[HamSandwhich]

Not at all, if we won that game as we should have, we would have been Super Bowl bound and likely the favorites. No doubt in my mind. So frustrating! 

[Buffalo716]

On 2/5/2022 at 12:31 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

No pop up kickoff still pisses me off.  Forcing them to burn 4-5 seconds would've changed everything. Then braindead could've run his prevent defense. 

Here's the thing with the pop off kickoff.. I've practiced this a hundred times in football practice over the years

 

You're getting two kinds

 

A super super high pop-up that is caught at the 20-25.. which you can fair catch and no time is killed 

 

Or a hi pop up , it goes to like the 10 yard line... Week five of the regular season the other team will just catch it and return it 

 

With 13 seconds left in a playoff game.. the returner let's it go over his head and it bounces into the end zone.. and they get it at the 25 with no time off

 

I've actually simulated this live in football practices and went over this in my head a thousand times over the last two weeks.. these are the two most likely scenarios

 

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Success]

13 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

Not at all, if we won that game as we should have, we would have been Super Bowl bound and likely the favorites. No doubt in my mind. So frustrating! 

 

I don't see how we would have been favored over the Rams.

 

[Success]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Rams have more talent without question, but Josh Allen>Stafford and not even close.…. Again, people still underestimate how much he has carried this team. 

 

I agree w/ that - but I think the Rams would be favored because of overall balance, and just having a better record.

 

[Nitro]

I hope McD and Frazier watch that 13 seconds sequence repeatedly.  To win you play strong and aggressive.  That soft defense which they love to play does not work against a good and fast offense that the Chiefs have,   Those two failed because they went back to their old coaching playbook.  NFL is evolving and it is now for the bold.   

[Brand J]

19 minutes ago, Nitro said:

I hope McD and Frazier watch that 13 seconds sequence repeatedly.  To win you play strong and aggressive.  That soft defense which they love to play does not work against a good and fast offense that the Chiefs have,   Those two failed because they went back to their old coaching playbook.  NFL is evolving and it is now for the bold.   

To that point, when facing top offenses I’d rather the defense get beat taking more chances with calculated blitzes, than sitting back rushing four down after down. Players like Hill are going to get theirs anyway even when playing conservative. We’ve seen time after time that a good QB can work through a disguised secondary before the 4 man rush gets home. Frazier’s defense only works against a top offense if we’ve got a monster DL - quick, fast, and strong - unfortunately we don’t have that. 

[Buffalo ill]

I'm disappointed but don't dwell on it.  There are way more important things in my life than the Bills.

[LABILLBACKER]

On 2/4/2022 at 9:39 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Yeah that was definitely a mistake, that ball needed to be inside the 10. If they didn't return it they would have had farther to go and probably not enough time score. The defense was still to lose, not pressing Kelce at the line is egregious.

 

 

What's absolutely nuts is Bass has successfully performed that exact pop up to the 10 yard line probably 15x this season. And maybe the return guy (Hardman) panics and calls a fair catch.  Obviously Sean's defensive scheme was a disgrace on those last 2 plays, but as SVP said on espn that night, "I'd give up a 20 yard return to shave off 5 seconds all day". Pure stupidity by Clappy.

Edited February 6, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[HamSandwhich]

2 hours ago, Success said:

 

I don't see how we would have been favored over the Rams.

 

You don’t know what a SUCCESSful team looks like it appears. 

[vincec]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

What's absolutely nuts is Bass has successfully performed that exact pop up to the 10 yard line probably 15x this season. And maybe the return guy (Hardman) panics and calls a fair catch.  Obviously Sean's defensive scheme was a disgrace on those last 2 plays, but as SVP said on espn that night, "I'd give up a 20 yard return to shave off 5 seconds all day". Pure stupidity by Clappy.

The defense was a disgrace most of that night, not just the last 13 seconds of regulation. They gave up 552 yards of offense and 7.6 yards per play. They gave up the go ahead TD to Hill inside of two minutes and the losing TD in OT like they weren’t even on the field.

 

I do think people are focusing too much on those 13 seconds and should actually look at it as just a piece of how horrible they were overall, especially when you see how the Bengals less touted defense did in the subsequent game.

[Brand J]

I don’t know if that second half was more about the Bengal defense, or Mahomes losing whatever magic he had for the 9 quarters prior. He looked like a completely different player and wasn’t throwing to receivers that were actually open. It’s like he was afraid and gun-shy all of a sudden. Go back and look at the play towards the end of the game where he was running around like a blindfolded squirrel. There were receivers open in the endzone, small window, but nothing he hasn’t attempted before. I do think their failure to score before halftime was some sort of psychological turning point. And then that first INT to the big lineman cemented his downfall.