uticaclub Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) I just have this sick feeling that we will never get over the hump with McDermott. The man deserves a lot of credit for changing things at One Bills Drive (even though I thought we were on our way with Rexy, just can't win consistently with Tyrod), but McDermott like Dungy will prevent their team from being a true dynasty. Peyton Manning was the one the best QBs of all time and when we drafted Allen even his biggest supporters didn't think he would get Manning comparisons, but he's earned that. Manning got to 1 Super Bowl during the prime of his career because Dungy was a lousy game day coach, Manning then went to 3 in the twilight of his career sans Dungy. We are going to win a lot of regular season games, beat up weak opponents then routinely get outcoached in the playoffs. Edited January 26, 2022 by uticaclub 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Wrong. Allen/McDermott = Manning/Mora 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Geez people are over reacting. Most teams having hard time stopping the Chiefs offense. They been to like now 4 straight championship game. Team to beat. Teams had a short time successby rushing 4. Chiefs fixed there own o-line and going 13-17 plays to score and wear d down. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, ArtVandalay said: Wrong. Allen/McDermott = Manning/Mora PLAYOFFS?!?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, ArtVandalay said: Wrong. Allen/McDermott = Manning/Mora You been posting arrogant nonsense stuff all day. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I can see the comparison but a better comparison is John Elway who was basically a one man gang with the 80s Broncos teams only to watch other teams celebrate in blowout Super Bowl losses That changed when Mike Shannahan came in and said John you don’t have to do it yourself I think McDermott sees that now a little earlier then Dungy did 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 So, Super Bowl? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Andy Reid was considered to be a choker in big games for over a decade. Philly fans always complained about his time management & coming up short, and were happy when he left. McDermott is going to be fine. He's a great coach. EVERY coach makes mistakes. 4 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Success said: Andy Reid was considered to be a choker in big games for over a decade. Philly fans always complained about his time management & coming up short, and were happy when he left. McDermott is going to be fine. He's a great coach. EVERY coach makes mistakes. Mahomes being a lot better than McNabb is a major factor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, uticaclub said: I just have this sick feeling that we will never get over the hump with McDermott. The man deserves a lot of credit for changing things at One Bills Drive (even though I thought we were on our way with Rexy, just can't win consistently with Tyrod), but McDermott like Dungy will prevent their team from being a true dynasty. Peyton Manning was the one the best QBs of all time and when we drafted Allen even his biggest supporters didn't think he would get Manning comparisons, but he's earned that. Manning got to 1 Super Bowl during the prime of his career because Dungy was a lousy game day coach, Manning then went to 3 in the twilight of his career sans Dungy. We are going to win a lot of regular season games, beat up weak opponents then routinely get outcoached in the playoffs. Just a feeling? Nothing more? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Just now, billybrew1 said: Just a feeling? Nothing more? I'm sure his amazing gut instinct predicted the Bills success the last 5 years too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 When you think about it, it wasn't the defense called,it was a total lack of execution. There was never a defense designed where you let the opponents best player run whilly-nilly down the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Jeepers...time to step away from TBD for a while.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) Dungy was a great coach who ran into Belichick and Brady in their primes. Brady's done, and Bill is 70. There's nobody like that now. Chiefs are great but those Patriot teams got into peoples' heads. If McD and Allen go to 4 Super Bowls and win 2 I think we'd be pretty happy. Edited January 26, 2022 by TheFunPolice 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 The game was won. McDermott and his staff beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead,, then blew it in an inexplicable 13 seconds that may never be replicated. But it took a special team to win that game. McDermott is fine.. he will bank this experience like everything else. The best thing the Bills can do is keep the continuity at head coach. The Chiefs are like the Bills from the early-mid 90's. The AFC couldn't stop them come playoff time. You couldn't kill them off. How many great coaches, QB's and DC's did the Bills humiliate back then. The Bills prevented some very good AFC teams from ever reaching the Super Bowl. That is KC now, and they are doing it to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2021 Defense Ranking: #1 2020 Defense Ranking: #13 2019 Defense Ranking: #3 2018 Defense Ranking: #2 I don't remember Dungy ever putting a top 3 defense on the field for Peyton. McDermott has done it 3 out of the last 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Allen/McDermott = Allen/McDermott All these comments about the Bulls/Pistons/Knicks or Manning/Elway/Marino are getting exhausting and annoying Sit back. Enjoy the ride. We're blessed to have the GM/HC/QB that we do. Onto next year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Both QB and HC are very good. We're going to win eventually. Remember a few years ago Rams/Chiefs was the sexy SB pick? Well, here we are possibly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: Wrong. Allen/McDermott = Manning/Mora ArtVandalay = MyKidsDad Edited January 26, 2022 by Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Beast said: ArtVandalay = MyKidsDad I was thinking HighFootballIQ or FilthyBeast were more realistic comparisons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Beast said: ArtVandalay = MyKidsDad Besides, he’s just an average importer/exporter. Vandelay Industries will never reach its full potential with him there. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 56 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I can see the comparison but a better comparison is John Elway who was basically a one man gang with the 80s Broncos teams only to watch other teams celebrate in blowout Super Bowl losses That changed when Mike Shannahan came in and said John you don’t have to do it yourself I think McDermott sees that now a little earlier then Dungy did Perfect comparison! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, Rigotz said: 2021 Defense Ranking: #1 2020 Defense Ranking: #13 2019 Defense Ranking: #3 2018 Defense Ranking: #2 I don't remember Dungy ever putting a top 3 defense on the field for Peyton. McDermott has done it 3 out of the last 4 years. They had the #1 defense the year they won the Super Bowl & #2 in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: You been posting arrogant nonsense stuff all day. Does that disagree with you? I'll see to it that all of his posts are deleted ASAP. 😂 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: I just have this sick feeling that we will never get over the hump with McDermott. The man deserves a lot of credit for changing things at One Bills Drive (even though I thought we were on our way with Rexy, just can't win consistently with Tyrod), but McDermott like Dungy will prevent their team from being a true dynasty. Peyton Manning was the one the best QBs of all time and when we drafted Allen even his biggest supporters didn't think he would get Manning comparisons, but he's earned that. Manning got to 1 Super Bowl during the prime of his career because Dungy was a lousy game day coach, Manning then went to 3 in the twilight of his career sans Dungy. We are going to win a lot of regular season games, beat up weak opponents then routinely get outcoached in the playoffs. The fanbase is currently divided by those who more or less agree with you, and those who think this is foolish. Why? Because not enough time has passed yet to make this determination, especially for the fans who disagree with you. When will this change and when will the fanbase be more united? When enough time passes and we still haven't made it to a SB appearance. Another couple years of a playoff loss and many more fans will slide to your side of the spectrum! Then again, if we win a SB, the whole issue becomes moot and that's great! Wait a while! If we continue to lose in the playoffs, pre-SB, the issue of whether or not McDermott should go will get a LOT more interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) The Colts only won 1 Super Bowl because of Tom Brady. It didn't matter who the Colts coach was. All of the hate McDermott is getting is leaving out the part that Patrick Mahomes et al are really good. McDermott has made tactical errors, but he has made a number of mistakes his first couple of years and has certainly shown he has learned from them. He will learn from this and be better. Yeah it should have never happened, and if it happens again, see ya later. There has to a growth mindset and an understanding that there is a process and people get better. They will pivot a bit and do more to surround Josh with better players and continue to develop our own. That's my 2 cents. Edited January 26, 2022 by MrEpsYtown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 The saying is "Win 1 before I die", not "win 4 in the next 8 years or you're all failures". I'll take 1. If we get more, great. But I just need 1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 54 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Dungy was a great coach who ran into Belichick and Brady in their primes. Brady's done, and Bill is 70. There's nobody like that now. Chiefs are great but those Patriot teams got into peoples' heads. If McD and Allen go to 4 Super Bowls and win 2 I think we'd be pretty happy. I agree...but the Chiefs are 100% in this team's head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Geez people are over reacting. Most teams having hard time stopping the Chiefs offense. They been to like now 4 straight championship game. Team to beat. Teams had a short time successby rushing 4. Chiefs fixed there own o-line and going 13-17 plays to score and wear d down. Seems like you're agreeing with the OP, then. Aren't you? I'm incredibly fearful the OP's analogy is accurate. I hope it's not and I'm not ready to make that conclusion yet because I think Allen can take over a game even more than Manning could as he only now (CRAZY!!!) enters his prime. And I mean that. However, we play in the same conference as the Chiefs and what you've just said here makes the Bills the Colts of the early to mid 2000s to Brady/Belicheck's Patriots. Now, what I think is fortunate for us is the fact that we play in the AFC East. And at least as of this moment, Allen looks like he's getting a situation with the AFC East like Brady had for years where it's one of the weaker divisions in Football. The Chiefs, by contrast, will have at least one other Elite QB to play in division in Herbert, if not 2 with Carr also in there and playing at a high level. Plus the Broncos seem like a generally aggressive organization ready to go out and get a QB. McDermott and Allen are 3-0 in the playoffs at home and 0-3 on the road. Get homefield advantage next year and I think we'll have our answer in the playoffs as to whether Allen is just the #2 behind Mahomes in the Conference or if he can truly compete with or even surpass him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Seems like you're agreeing with the OP, then. Aren't you? I'm incredibly fearful the OP's analogy is accurate. I hope it's not and I'm not ready to make that conclusion yet because I think Allen can take over a game even more than Manning could as he only now (CRAZY!!!) enters his prime. And I mean that. However, we play in the same conference as the Chiefs and what you've just said here makes the Bills the Colts of the early to mid 2000s to Brady/Belicheck's Patriots. Now, what I think is fortunate for us is the fact that we play in the AFC East. And at least as of this moment, Allen looks like he's getting a situation with the AFC East like Brady had for years where it's one of the weaker divisions in Football. The Chiefs, by contrast, will have at least one other Elite QB to play in division in Herbert, if not 2 with Carr also in there and playing at a high level. Plus the Broncos seem like a generally aggressive organization ready to go out and get a QB. McDermott and Allen are 3-0 in the playoffs at home and 0-3 on the road. Get homefield advantage next year and I think we'll have our answer in the playoffs as to whether Allen is just the #2 behind Mahomes in the Conference or if he can truly compete with or even surpass him. Allen didn't need homefield. He led the Bills to the "win" in Arrowhead. Only boneheaded stupidity prevented the Bengals at Bills this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Just now, Greg S said: Allen didn't need homefield. He led the Bills to the "win" in Arrowhead. Only boneheaded stupidity prevented the Bengals at Bills this week. Allen doesn't, but I think McDermott, the coaching staff, and the Defense did. And unfortunately, even though Wins and Losses are a team sport and this Loss was more on those other entities, many will judge Allen as clearly 2nd to Mahomes until he beats Mahomes in the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: The saying is "Win 1 before I die", not "win 4 in the next 8 years or you're all failures". I'll take 1. If we get more, great. But I just need 1. We might not get one if we waste opportunities like this year's team. This was the last year of Allen's rookie deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I’m going to give McDermott the benefit of the doubt for now. One thing that I find very encouraging is how aggressive he became this season with the offenses. I think he learned his lesson in last year’s playoff game settling for two field goals against the Chiefs. No doubt the defense was a disaster in the final 13 seconds in overtime. And he also may have been playing scared when he opted to not squib kick. He learned this season to not play scared with the offense . So hopefully he’s learned now to also not play scared with the defense and special teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: You been posting arrogant nonsense stuff all day. I think it's all for the glorification of his massive ego. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, uticaclub said: We might not get one if we waste opportunities like this year's team. This was the last year of Allen's rookie deal. Ok? 1/4 teams left in the playoffs have QBs on a rookie deal (Burrow). Back it up to the divisional round and 2/8 teams had QBs on rookie deals (Burrow and Allen). Give me a break with that *****. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Manning sucked vs NE while in Indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: We might not get one if we waste opportunities like this year's team. This was the last year of Allen's rookie deal. As long as we have Josh, our Super Bowl window is wide open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: As long as we have Josh, our Super Bowl window is wide open. Tell that to Seattle & Russ Wilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: Tell that to Seattle & Russ Wilson I'll include them on the call with the Packers, Pats, Bucs, Chiefs, and Saints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, uticaclub said: I just have this sick feeling Probably your diet. 3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: he also may have been playing scared when he opted to not squib kick. I think it’s pretty much a given at this point that McD called for a squib and there was a colossal miscommunication that led to Bass not knowing that was the call. While the overall result is still on McD, it’s a different problem than one of a “bad decision.” Edited January 26, 2022 by eball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Let's hope our pairing is that good. That would mean 7 years of division championships and a SB win. Where do I sign up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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