Greg Olson regrets he didn't sign with Buf. We should have 1st dibs on many FAs looking for a SB

[Repulsif]

It's a little bit to soon to think anyone will come, for free/discount

We might have the best QB right now, but we didn't prove yet we are one piece away from Lombardy

Look

We're not the pats in their glory days having 3-5 Lombardy in the pocket

[eball]

8 hours ago, SCBills said:

I mean, it’s pretty good pub that a respected guy just said he regrets signing with Seattle/Russell Wilson because he had the chance to play with Josh Allen.   

 

Bingo.  THAT is the takeaway here…nothing else.  A star player — even if at the end of his career — just said he wishes he could have played with Josh Allen over Russ Wilson.  Let that sink in.

 

The worm has turned.

 

[HOUSE]

Hey, Antonio Brown just had to go to the Raiders, JJ Watt and Zack Ertz to the Cardinals. Every year there is  new idiots.

 

Clue, its all about money & warm weather with some players, not necessarily winning 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

I dont care what Olsen says. Just happy we didn't waste the cap space on him. And it's not the radio it's Portnoys podcast (I'm assuming) and that guy is more full of shiz and full of himself than anyone. Bring on the FA's I guess. But we dodged a bullet there by trying to sign mr broke for 8 mil or watever.

I can understand if he was criticizing the Bills but he’s not…it’s a bit weird.

[Matt_In_NH]

Second dibs after KC you mean.   They are I. Better cap shape than we are 

[Fixxxer]

I bet Adam Humphries is second guessing going to the Titans back in 2019. We did more than ok signing Beasley, though, moreso for Allen's development. 

 

Obviously money is a big factor for the majority of the NFL players, but they all would love to play for a winning team, certain coach or a Josh Allen type QB. We are finally in an advantageous position going into FA. 

 

 

[hondo in seattle]

8 hours ago, SCBills said:

Buffalo is now Josh Allen and Bills Mafia. 
 

It may be cold - but you get an elite QB, chance to compete for a title and the most insane fanbase in the NFL.  
 

I talk to people down here in the South who are college die-hards, but NFL casuals… they all love Josh Allen and Bills Mafia. 

 

As I roam around the country, I occasionally run into Bills fans who are not from WNY.  At the regular season game in Arrowhead, for example, I met a Bills fan from Wyoming and you can guess what turned her onto the Bills.

But, in my experience, the biggest reason that non-Buffalonians become Bills fans is the Bills Mafia.   At least thus far.  After watching Allen play in the playoffs, I think he's going to become the Bills best salesman.  

[FireChans]

9 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

I just don't like either of those guys. Not angry. Easy to make up some bs after this game for listening. Portnoy said he's the first JA fan in the country bs. Olsen sucks and the Bills were lucky they didn't waste cap on his broke ass. Just two guys looking for some attention after our heartbreak.

Way back in 2019, Portnoy did say that he thought Josh was gonna be better than Lamar. That was a serious hot take in sports media.

[Greg S]

What is our cap situation like? Can the Bills be players in FA this offseason? Or is it basically an offseason where we try to resign our own?

[Jim Bob]

It will be interesting to see if they can get veteran WRs & TEs that are either nearing the end (Gronk or DJax) or coming off an injury riddled season and is only getting Show Me offers (JJSS) on value deals to add weapons on offense.

 

With Sanders and McKenzie hitting FA and the questions about bringing Beasley back at his cap number, Beane might be able to leverage the opportunity to play with Allen into below market contracts for guys that can improve the offense.

6 minutes ago, Greg S said:

What is our cap situation like? Can the Bills be players in FA this offseason? Or is it basically an offseason where we try to resign our own?

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

 

The cap situation isn't great. They are in the bottom third of league in cap space entering the off season. Beane and company will need to make decisions on guys like Edmunds (1 yr guaranteed at $12.7M), Beasley ($7.5M cap hit vs $1.5M in dead cap if cut), Morse ($11.25M cap hit vs $3.75M in dead cap if cut), and others.

 

It will be interesting to see what moves they make to create more cap space to try and improve this team.

[Reed83HOF]

So now the board wants to keep McD to get more FAs to sign with us?

 

 

[Mark92]

This is definitely a franchise defining off-season.  Do we become a perennial playoff caliber team that doesn't quite have the talent to go all the way?  Or, do we push all the chips in and add the few missing pieces need to take us over the top and get that championship now?  I would mortgage the future for a title.  

11 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

So now the board wants to keep McD to get more FAs to sign with us?

 

 

It's the natural grieving process that we are all going through in real time.  Disbelief, anger and hope.  

[Clyde Smith]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Think of all the ex Panthers who can’t wait to get here…

I'll take Hassan Reddick to add to LB Corp. Hell, I'll take Gilmore as well.

[thenorthremembers]

32 minutes ago, Jim Bob said:

It will be interesting to see if they can get veteran WRs & TEs that are either nearing the end (Gronk or DJax) or coming off an injury riddled season and is only getting Show Me offers (JJSS) on value deals to add weapons on offense.

 

With Sanders and McKenzie hitting FA and the questions about bringing Beasley back at his cap number, Beane might be able to leverage the opportunity to play with Allen into below market contracts for guys that can improve the offense.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

 

The cap situation isn't great. They are in the bottom third of league in cap space entering the off season. Beane and company will need to make decisions on guys like Edmunds (1 yr guaranteed at $12.7M), Beasley ($7.5M cap hit vs $1.5M in dead cap if cut), Morse ($11.25M cap hit vs $3.75M in dead cap if cut), and others.

 

It will be interesting to see what moves they make to create more cap space to try and improve this team.

Edmunds contract is only guaranteed if he is cut.  If the Bills find a trade partner he has no dead cap.

[Jim Bob]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

Edmunds contract is only guaranteed if he is cut.  If the Bills find a trade partner he has no dead cap.

 

Yup

 

In the Edmunds thread I talked about how they either need to extend him and reduce that cap hit for next season or find someone to take him in a trade. 

 

If they walk him to FA with that cap number next season...

 

🤬

[thenorthremembers]

7 minutes ago, Jim Bob said:

 

Yup

 

In the Edmunds thread I talked about how they either need to extend him and reduce that cap hit for next season or find someone to take him in a trade. 

 

If they walk him to FA with that cap number next season...

 

🤬

100% They either need to extend the contract or trade him.    IMO I think the 12 or 13 million dollar salary is too high for him, especially with how KC targeted him in the playoff game.   To me he definitely isn't a top 6 or 7 ILB in the league like that salary would indicate.   However, while I am not a fan of his, I do worry about the Bills ability to replace him given his knowledge of the defense.  

[Captain Hindsight]

10 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

Pretty much two egotistical dbags talking some hindsight 

They better not be talking bout me

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

Second dibs after KC you mean.   They are I. Better cap shape than we are 

What does better cap shape mean?  They have more room next season?  Please explain?  They have 21M and we have 2.5M

 

who are the key free agents that we have to sign?  Phillips, Bates and Levi (maybe?). Those 3 combined might make less than their FA LT Orlando Brown   Then there’s Tyrann Mathieu, Ward, Ingram, their RT Wylie, Jarran Reed, Pringle, robinson.  They have 3 DBs under contract, Sneed, thro hill and Fenton.  
 

They’re paying Chris Jones almost 30M per year.  Clark, 26M, Tyreek 20M (and he’s a FA after next season).  Kelces contract balloons following next season. 
 

i wouldn’t consider them in a much betttr position cap wise.  

[Captain Hindsight]

20 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:

I'll take Hassan Reddick to add to LB Corp. Hell, I'll take Gilmore as well.

Does he want to be on TV again?

[GunnerBill]

He was washed. It wouldn't have changed much. 

[T master]

IT wouldn't be bad to get a couple of FA's this off season but i hope they are worth the money which Beane i think will do his usual due diligence & not over pay for any players .

 

It sure would have been nice this year to have a guy in the middle that had the production that Jordan Phillips had when he was here . Who knows maybe after he's healthy if the numbers could work out they could get someone like him back if he could play like he did the 1 year here that would be a welcome addition .

[djp14150]

11 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Agreed. But the point is we should be a landing spot for many top tier FAs

Compare this to 2016-17 , pretty amazing culture shift

 

same thing with Brady in NE.  They didn’t have much cap space,   Buffalo is good and we have a very good QB.  Players wanting to win can opt for the chance to win over the highest salary.

[Matt_In_NH]

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

What does better cap shape mean?  They have more room next season?  Please explain?  They have 21M and we have 2.5M

 

who are the key free agents that we have to sign?  Phillips, Bates and Levi (maybe?). Those 3 combined might make less than their FA LT Orlando Brown   Then there’s Tyrann Mathieu, Ward, Ingram, their RT Wylie, Jarran Reed, Pringle, robinson.  They have 3 DBs under contract, Sneed, thro hill and Fenton.  
 

They’re paying Chris Jones almost 30M per year.  Clark, 26M, Tyreek 20M (and he’s a FA after next season).  Kelces contract balloons following next season. 
 

i wouldn’t consider them in a much betttr position cap wise.  

 

My main point is that KC plays in Super Bowls and up til now the Bills do not so for a FA who "wants a Super Bowl", KC would be first choice.   So from a first dibs perspective, I think they are at least 2nd there.  Yes I was saying they have more cap space, you are looking a little deeper and saying they have more holes, maybe that is true.  Neither team is in a great cap condition which is expected for great teams.

[Reed83HOF]

45 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

This is definitely a franchise defining off-season.  Do we become a perennial playoff caliber team that doesn't quite have the talent to go all the way?  Or, do we push all the chips in and add the few missing pieces need to take us over the top and get that championship now?  I would mortgage the future for a title.  

It's the natural grieving process that we are all going through in real time.  Disbelief, anger and hope.  

We are evenly matched with KC and are a perennial playoff team. The last 3 games with kc, kc 100 buff 98. If we won the toss, we would be playing Sunday. Those are the top 2 teams. The question to ask is, how much better (if any) can u get in one offseason? A scheme change on D is not the answer. Is there a glaring weakness that 1 piece can upgrade or do you make your strengths even stronger?

 

The natural grieving process is not calling for everyone's head. Am I pissed, sad full of disbelief- yup, but it's how do we take that next step and fixing what broke down. Just like players have to grow and get better, so does the coaching staff. The execution failure could have been the kickoff, Levi playing as he was taught throughout the season to not get beat to the outside or a failure in the communication chain from McD to the St or DC, from those coords to the players, or from player to player. You put a process in place to error proof that.

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

12 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

Whatever. Screw both of them. Olsen was past his prine anyways. Had 294 and 1 td with Hawks. 

Thank you!! He weighed his options and thought Russ was a better QB than Josh. Same situation with Smoke Brown. Shady tried to tell people Josh was special. They didn’t want to listen. Gronk, I hope your ears are unclogged 

Edited January 26, 2022 by Solomon Grundy

[SoCal Deek]

What does any of this have to do with Zach Ertz? 

[RyanC883]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, sorry, but that's nonsense. Which we'll always get a lot of after a horrible loss like this. But still nonsense even if the emotion is pretty understandable.

 

He's been here for four drafts, meaning you can only be sure of a good evaluation on the first draft. The rest, it's just too early to know.

 

He's had four first-rounders, three of whom in Allen, Edmunds and Oliver are good to excellent picks. Rousseau it's too early to know, but looked good for a rookie.

 

He's had three second-rounders, none of whom had seen four years yet. Ford looks like a bad pick, though it's still barely possible he improves. Epenesa and Basham it's simply too early to know.

 

He's had five third-rounders, and for third-rounders he's done really well. Harrison Phillips looks like a very good pick, Singletary a good pick now that we have a functional OL, Knox excellent, Moss not good so far but simply too early to know. Spencer Brown looks like he's going to be a real bargain.

 

To sum up, nonsense.

 

 

 

Sorry, but it's not nonsense.  He has drafted poorly.  We are in a win-now mode, and you keep wanting to "wait".  Well, that's fine, but waiting and hoping are not a strategy.  

 

Let's start with the 1st rounders:   Allen: Stud, clearly excellent pick.  This is like the Dolphins Marino pick.  Edmunds is an awful pick, considering he is not an impact player, we traded up for him, and 2 impact LBs were available later (Vander Esch and D. Leonard).  How you can defend the Edmunds pick is beyond me, esp. with him leaving the middle of the field WIDE OPEN v. KC.   Oliver.  Taken at 9.  Really.  Took 3 years with myriad of excuses to make somewhat of an impact in some games.  He is a good pick.  Rousseau was basically a non-factor, and considering he was drafted to "stop KC," well, that failed.  

 

Second Rounders:  Why are we giving them 4 years?  Creed Humphry is an all-pro in year 1.  Gabe Davis, a later pick, is already balling.  And it's not too early to know on Epenesa: he's a bust/backup player at best, and Basham was a wasted pick with a clear-cut round 1 talent in Humphry sitting there.  

 

Third Rounders: Harrision Phillips is an average player, Singletary did NOTHING in the AFC Championship game, hence why Allen ran so much.  He's had 1/2 of a good season.  RB's can make an impact as a rookie.  He's a backup player.  Knox pick has now turned out to be excellent.  Moss is a total bust.  Spencer Brown looks like a good pick.  

 

To sum it up:  my OP is that Bean is bad at drafting in the 1st two rounds, minus Allen.  He has been.  He has picked the wrong players over and over again, targeting positions rather than BPA.  And I believe my OP also limited his bad picks to defensive players, of which he has drafted ZERO impact players.  No OC is scared of any of the guys he drafted in the top 2 rounds on defense.  

[CountDorkula]

1 hour ago, djp14150 said:

 

same thing with Brady in NE.  They didn’t have much cap space,   Buffalo is good and we have a very good QB.  Players wanting to win can opt for the chance to win over the highest salary.

Lets pull the reigns back slightly.

 

Tampa also has the distinct advantage of zero state income tax and still nice weather.

 

Buffalo the city, like it or not, still has a bad reputation around the country.

 

You may get ring chasers yes, but top tier UFAs are still going highest bidder.

[Doc]

8 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

So now the board wants to keep McD to get more FAs to sign with us?

 

 

 

Wait, McD is bringing FAs to Buffalo, or Josh is?

[FilthyBeast]

Going forward playing with Allen will certainly be attractive.

 

But again, if you are a veteran looking to sign for less with team for a chance at a ring and both the Chiefs and Bills come knocking it's pretty obviously what the choice is going to be especially if this is the beginning of KC's dynasty.

[Success]

It's good to see more of a shift from our former division rivals. When they had Brady, talented vets were tripping over themselves taking pay cuts to play w/ him.

 

At least that's one thing we can take from this season. The Patriots dragon was vanquished & transported to another universe.   Now, they'll have to get used to the view from down in the standings.

 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Going forward playing with Allen will certainly be attractive.

 

But again, if you are a veteran looking to sign for less with team for a chance at a ring and both the Chiefs and Bills come knocking it's pretty obviously what the choice is going to be especially if this is the beginning of KC's dynasty.

Which ring chasers joined the chiefs this offseason?  Jarran Reed.