Gabriel Davis on GMFB

[The Frankish Reich]

33 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

This weird cult of people calling for more offensive firepower after two of the best offensive displays in history are fit for a straight jacket. Of course, if we start the year with only 2 WRs on the roster we will need to get more, but it was not a need this year at all. We could have had Jerry Rice in his prime int he slot and we still lose.

Disagree. You've got to get better wherever you can get better. If there's a receiver out there that you can afford who's better than Sanders or Beasley, bring him in. The kind of thinking that "we're set on offense, now let's concentrate on improving the defense" is always a mistake.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Disagree. You've got to get better wherever you can get better. If there's a receiver out there that you can afford who's better than Sanders or Beasley, bring him in. The kind of thinking that "we're set on offense, now let's concentrate on improving the defense" is always a mistake.

 

All true but it's also true that there is no "big hole" at WR.  I can see Beane being open to a 1st round going in a lot of positions.

[muppy]

3 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Gabe is developing very nicely. I think we lose 2/3 of Sanders, McKenzie or Beasley. If so, they need to draft receiver. Either a big physical type or speed. Hopefully Stevenson also develops. 

I easily see Beasley gone, Sanders may want to stay for a ring? McKenzie stays put IMO.

Just now, starrymessenger said:

Kupp was a 3rd pick. Two top guys went in the mid-later rounds that year. Cooper and Davis.

well My point was the Bills drafted Jones as a very highly touted WR out of college (sure handed , fast)  who had his issues and is now in Las Vegas. And Davis being drafted has nicely fit into his starters role (which I trust he will have next season)  so that was my point. He has I think exceeded expectations even.

[whorlnut]

16 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

OK now we get to my original point.  I disagree that Gabriel Davis is a JAG.

IMO he is a stud and could in every way be another Diggs (who was selected a round later than Davis).

I like Davis. I’m happy to have him. But be honest…did you think he was a stud before this past game?  

12 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Disagree. You've got to get better wherever you can get better. If there's a receiver out there that you can afford who's better than Sanders or Beasley, bring him in. The kind of thinking that "we're set on offense, now let's concentrate on improving the defense" is always a mistake.

And it’s one that we’ve been making for the vast majority of the McBeane tenure. 

[starrymessenger]

4 minutes ago, muppy said:

I easily see Beasley gone, Sanders may want to stay for a ring? McKenzie stays put IMO.

well My point was the Bills drafted Jones as a very highly touted WR out of college (sure handed , fast)  who had his issues and is now in Las Vegas. And Davis being drafted has nicely fit into his starters role (which I trust he will have next season)  so that was my point. He has I think exceeded expectations even.

My bad. Gabe was 2020 draft of course. Point was that sometimes the best WRs in their respective drafts were mid-later round guys. Davis has absolutely exceeded expectations.

[Motorin']

18 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Was Zay really picked ahead of Cooper Kupp or am I just having another nightmare.

 

In fairness, Zay set the all-time receptions record in college football and Ran a 4.46. Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62.

 

Gabe Davis is faster and bigger than Kupp. Same height.... similar first 2 years...

 

 

[FilthyBeast]

Not even Jerry Rice or Randy Moss ever had a game like this in the postseason.

 

Might be somewhat of a hot take but don't be surprised if Davis surpasses Diggs at some point as the #1 WR for this team.

[stosh64]

Gabe has benefitted from learning and growing behind some of the best.  Diggs, Manny Sanders, even John Brown have been excellent teachers.  Gabe wasn't forced in before he was ready, it was really the perfect way to bring in a WR.

I hope Stevenson progresses, I had a lot of optimism very early in the season that he could be our speed guy, a burner to fill Hills role, now I'm not as optimistic.  Marquez looked pretty bad returning the ball, no vision, no moves and he didn't 'look' as fast as they said he was (4.37 40 time, however 4.45 40 @ combine)  I still have some hope but it is tempered a lot.

I feel we still need a burner through the draft (whether McKenzie gets re-signed or not. Preferably a TALL speed guy.

[muppy]

Just now, starrymessenger said:

My bad. Gabe was 2020 draft of course. Point was that sometimes the best WRs in their respective drafts were mid-later round guys. Davis has absolutely exceeded expectations.

all good matey I am a Bills pretty much soley focused NFL fan I can't speak on other teams like the heavyweight chatters do here at 2bd...........Im glad u arrived at my point and I wasnt very clear..... Thanks man. m

[starrymessenger]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

In fairness, Zay set the all-time receptions record in college football and Ran a 4.46. Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62.

 

Gabe Davis is faster and bigger than Kupp. Same height.... similar first 2 years...

 

 

Ok and both were from second tier programs, unlike say JuJu.

[muppy]

3 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

In fairness, Zay set the all-time receptions record in college football and Ran a 4.46. Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62.

 

Gabe Davis is faster and bigger than Kupp. Same height.... similar first 2 years...

 

 

See what I mean? LOL This board has serious heavyweight knowledgeable posters..........its awesome 🙂

Edited January 25, 2022 by muppy

[stinky finger]

24 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

OK now we get to my original point.  I disagree that Gabriel Davis is a JAG.

IMO he is a stud and could in every way be another Diggs (who was selected a round later than Davis).

 

Completely agree.

 

I had picked Gabe as the player other than JA to be the star of the Chiefs game.

 

NEVER did I expect this other worldly performance. Kids a stud who's gonna star for a long time. 

 

Perhaps Beane's best pick - not named Josh.

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I like Davis. I’m happy to have him. But be honest…did you think he was a stud before this past game?  

 

2 minutes ago, stosh64 said:

Gabe has benefitted from learning and growing behind some of the best.  Diggs, Manny Sanders, even John Brown have been excellent teachers.  Gabe wasn't forced in before he was ready, it was really the perfect way to bring in a WR.

I hope Stevenson progresses, I had a lot of optimism very early in the season that he could be our speed guy, a burner to fill Hills role, now I'm not as optimistic.  Marquez looked pretty bad returning the ball, no vision, no moves and he didn't 'look' as fast as they said he was (4.37 40 time, however 4.45 40 @ combine)  I still have some hope but it is tempered a lot.

I feel we still need a burner through the draft (whether McKenzie gets re-signed or not. Preferably a TALL speed guy.

 

The highlighted from Stosh is my answer.  Gabe has been a #4 WR for 2 years with over 1,100 yards receiving and 13 TDs.

In his limited role he has performed way better than expected and I do believe his best is yet to come.

Penciling him in as a #2 is OK with me and he has hopes to be more than that.  

 

FTR he only took 51% of the snaps this year.

[Motorin']

19 minutes ago, muppy said:

See what I mean? LOL This board has serious heavyweight knowledgeable posters..........its awesome 🙂

 

idk about all that, I am pretty good at Google tho. 

[BullBuchanan]

56 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

You're belligerent and like to mock folks who disagree with you. You've done this before. Josh Allen took a pounding to achieve the Bills' excellence on offense. Mahomes has an easier job because Hill and Kelce are playmakers of superior ability that constantly stress a defense. The Bills do not have that kind of firepower, though they have good players. They need to add someone that can stress a D on offense. That is the argument and it's not foolish, even if you think otherwise. @BADOLBILZ has made the case for spending high end draft picks on offense well. Go search his posts and try to think outside your rage.

I tend to mock folks with awful takes and high confidence in them - correct. The Bills have Stefon Diggs, one season removed from being the best in football, a WR who just set a playoff record in Gabe Davis, and Dawson Knox who had a breakout season. I'm sure they'll keep adding talent, just as they always do, but the premise of what we need to do to win this game by you and others int his thread is utterly ridiculous.

Beane will likely spend his first three picks on players who weigh more than 250 lbs, and he should. The trenches will help us more than anything, and they know that. There could be a RB in there somewhere and a WR or two on day two and three.

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Beane will likely spend his first three picks on players who weigh more than 250 lbs, and he should. The trenches will help us more than anything, and they know that.

 

If Beane gets Wallace signed I can agree with that.  If not a CB has to be in there.

[BADOLBILZ]

21 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Might be somewhat of a hot take but don't be surprised if Davis surpasses Diggs at some point as the #1 WR for this team.

 

 

He isn't as good as Diggs........but he might steal Diggs thunder.........because he doesn't run the short and intermediate routes and catch them as reliably as Diggs.........or answer the bell and play like he's healthy every week like Diggs...............so Diggs ends up carrying the load and doing the dirty work.

 

Didn't get the impression Diggs was thrilled about how the passing action unfolded in KC.

 

They really do need to get a YAC guy to be the #2 option to scare teams underneath and let Diggs get his share of deep ball work as the #1 and let Davis be the best 3rd option and most wide open deep threat in the NFL.

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

If Beane gets Wallace signed I can agree with that.  If not a CB has to be in there.

CB could definitely be a target.

[muppy]

12 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

idk about all that, I am pretty good at Google tho. 

u took the time and it was profitable info no quibbling over sources mate lol

 

haha

 

m

[msw2112]

52 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I like Davis. I’m happy to have him. But be honest…did you think he was a stud before this past game?  

 

Yes.  Did you watch his rookie season - in particular the playoff game against the Colts?  I don't post as much as many others here, but I said in the early weeks of the season that Davis should be our #2 and that he was superior to Sanders.  When Sanders got hot, I retreated a little bit (and said as much in my posts), but I have always thought that Davis was stud.

 

I also think that McKenzie is underutilized.  In games he has been featured 1) the second Miami game last year; and 2) the second NE game this year, he's been lights out.  He's got excellent speed and has displayed good hands at WR in the last couple of seasons.  I think he's been better as a WR than as a kick returner.

Edited January 25, 2022 by msw2112

[atlbillsfan1975]

Jameson Williams, from Bama, is the receiver I would take where the Bills are picking in the first round. 
In the second round, I like Wan’dale Robinson from Kentucky. 
I could be talked into CB, DL, WR in the first where the Bills are picking. I think interior olineman are better value picks in the 2-5 rounds. 

Edited January 25, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975

[LABILLBACKER]

Gabe is a beast. Should never have been minimized mid season. He's WR2 from here on out. Period

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

When did we not score Sunday because of our lack of receiving talent?

Well, they were stopped 4 out of 9 drives. Punt one less time and maybe it’s a win. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

He joined them at the breakfast table. 

 

An anagram for “breakfast table” is “break table fast”. 
 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Gabe is a beast. Should never have been minimized mid season. He's WR2 from here on out. Period

He was such a clutch player last year vs colts in playoffs too. I honestly don’t understand why he hadn’t already earned wr2.  He’s an excellent player. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Or how about this?  A round 1 WR!!!!  It can happen…we really can draft more than defense in the first you know…

 

But why would we waste a first on another WR?  We have Diggs and Davis set as the top 2 guys next year.  Our offense is not why the season is over right now.  Sign another FA if need be at WR, or take one in another round.  Can't see any reason why we would take one in the first when Davis is heading into his third year and looking like he is about to be a major breakout.

[wagne591]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Josh called the ankle breaker route. Things we don't always know as fans. Elite QB's do so much more than we even know. Daboll is probably having success because of Allen.

Yup Josh made Daboll.  That is why Bill didn't fight to keep him in NE, and Saban didn't fight to keep him in Alabama...I always thought that was weird and then we get him and he turns out to be better then sliced bread.  We all know that is because of Josh.  Daboll wont last 3 years with the G men.

[whorlnut]

29 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

But why would we waste a first on another WR?  We have Diggs and Davis set as the top 2 guys next year.  Our offense is not why the season is over right now.  Sign another FA if need be at WR, or take one in another round.  Can't see any reason why we would take one in the first when Davis is heading into his third year and looking like he is about to be a major breakout.

Why would we keep drafting DEs?  You have to be fair and see it both ways. 

[thunderingsquid]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

Drafting Gabe was an extremely big hit for Beane and his team.

I hope like hell that they find another Day 3 WR in this year's draft!

round one the Buffalo Bills select ... Jahan Dotson WR Penn State

[Nitro]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

22 years old. More TD catches in a playoff game than any other WR in nfl history. There are like 18 guys tied with 3. And they said he couldn’t run a whole route tree. 4th rd pick. Either Beane or chad hall is a genius, or both. 
 

 

Humble  Talented.  Team oriented.  Love players like him.  

19 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:

round one the Buffalo Bills select ... Jahan Dotson WR Penn State

Sorry, bigger needs are on defense.  CB with speed or Edge rusher with speed and power.

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, stosh64 said:

Gabe has benefitted from learning and growing behind some of the best.  Diggs, Manny Sanders, even John Brown have been excellent teachers.  Gabe wasn't forced in before he was ready, it was really the perfect way to bring in a WR.

I hope Stevenson progresses, I had a lot of optimism very early in the season that he could be our speed guy, a burner to fill Hills role, now I'm not as optimistic.  Marquez looked pretty bad returning the ball, no vision, no moves and he didn't 'look' as fast as they said he was (4.37 40 time, however 4.45 40 @ combine)  I still have some hope but it is tempered a lot.

I feel we still need a burner through the draft (whether McKenzie gets re-signed or not. Preferably a TALL speed guy.

If you want one of those Valdez-Scantling might end up on the market for less than what Sanders was making. 🤷‍♂️ 

 

Its gonna be interesting to see how Beane approaches the draft and FA. 

[Alphadawg7]

35 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Why would we keep drafting DEs?  You have to be fair and see it both ways. 

Who said we are drafting a DE?  But we need a CB given we don’t know Tre’s recovery or Levi’s future as a FA…possibly a LB if they don’t intend to extend Edmunds, and Star’s likely replacement.  
 

We also need OL help too.  Plenty of pieces are higher on the list than WR and DE.  

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

But why would we waste a first on another WR?  We have Diggs and Davis set as the top 2 guys next year.  Our offense is not why the season is over right now.  Sign another FA if need be at WR, or take one in another round.  Can't see any reason why we would take one in the first when Davis is heading into his third year and looking like he is about to be a major breakout.

 

I would - IF - he were BPA.

 

Otherwise, I'd welcome a speedy grab and go type. Someone who catches that crossing route in stride and turns it up field running past/through the coverage.

[DrW]

3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

Drafting Gabe was an extremely big hit for Beane and his team.

I hope like hell that they find another Day 3 WR in this year's draft!

 

My suggestion (well, I am a homer): Erik Ezukanma (Texas Tech)

 

 

[Southtown Tommy]

1 hour ago, Nitro said:

Humble  Talented.  Team oriented.  Love players like him.  

Sorry, bigger needs are on defense.  CB with speed or Edge rusher with speed and power.

Yep - need that game changer or 2 on defense. Could have used a sack on the last drive in regulation. Still sad about the game.

[purple haze]

4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Because that's what everyone thought as the Bills gave up a tying FG with 13 seconds left on the clock or let Mahomes drive the field for the win in OT.

"If only we had a better receiver!"

You have a stud QB.  You give him weapons.  Period.  Don’t act like the Bills couldn’t use a WR who can take a 10 yard crosser to the house.  They can and should find one. They need some sudden athletes on both sides of the rock.

Edited January 26, 2022 by purple haze

[Mikie2times]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

I remember being amazed by Eric Moulds' 9 catch 240 yard 1 TD performance against the Dols in the 1998 playoffs.  This was better.

I just can't. Even with Moulds fumble. I still give the nod to Moulds, logic does not prevail for me here. I was a huge Moulds fan. 

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Didn't get the impression Diggs was thrilled about how the passing action unfolded in KC.

 

 

If Diggs wasn't happy with our passing game on Sunday, that's his problem. The passing game could not possibly have been better. The pass blocking, sure. Run game, yes. Play calling on two critical drives, absolutely. But the QB and pass catchers could not have performed better. Adding more pass catchers doesn't bridge the gap to the Chiefs. We need a nasty DLman that can bring Mahomes down when he has his hands on him. And a speedy CB. And a MLB with fundamental instincts. The offense could come back with the exact same personnel next year and be far and away the best in the league if Allen keeps playing like that. The defense still isn't good enough to keep us out of a shootout. Until they are, keep adding to it.

 

Edited January 26, 2022 by HappyDays

[Rebel101]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Josh called the ankle breaker route. Things we don't always know as fans. Elite QB's do so much more than we even know. Daboll is probably having success because of Allen.

Agree. I believe Daboll had botched a few games including taking the ball out of Allen’s hands after we held to a FG and they missed 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If Diggs wasn't happy with our passing game on Sunday, that's his problem. The passing game could not possibly have been better. The pass blocking, sure. Run game, yes. Play calling on two critical drives, absolutely. But the QB and pass catchers could not have performed better. Adding more pass catchers doesn't bridge the gap to the Chiefs. We need a nasty DLman that can bring Mahomes down when he has his hands on him. And a speedy CB. And a MLB with fundamental instincts. The offense could come back with the exact same personnel next year and be far and away the best in the league if Allen keeps playing like that. The defense still isn't good enough to keep us out of a shootout. Until they are, keep adding to it.

 

 

 

Well that kinda' attitude from the team probably wouldn't be appreciated seeing how Diggs didn't force the Bills to cut him a new contract and has played thru injury to be in all 38 games as a Bill and run a ton of short and painful routes to earn his pay the last couple years.   

 

Davis was injured and inconsistent for much of this season.....he's missed 6 games in two years and was too hampered to contribute much in others.........then didn't get vaxed and missed the biggest regular season game of the year in NE.............then he gets all the glory in the playoff game while Diggs ends up looking like the "decoy" that Bills fans once called Sammy Watkins.

 

I could see someone with a past history of getting irritated by perceived slights or unfairness feeling a little put out by that.

 

Adding a big YAC guy to the slot position would serve to help Diggs get back to putting up big YPR numbers again and likely staying healthier in the process.    

 

As for all of the needs you are talking about...........defensively there are more ways than one to do a better job against the Chiefs...........but it's likely you won't be able to hold them under 35 in Arrowhead in a playoff game either way.    

 

The Bills scored TD's on 10 straight drives in the past 3 games.........with some additions the potential is there to be the first team to average 38 points per game in an NFL season if they can add some YAC/speed/quickness to their unit in 2022.