Mic'd up: Kelce outsmarted McDermott/Frazier

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

37 minutes ago, Process said:

Our safeties were 40 yards down the field.

 

A complete choke job by the coaching staff.

And they rushed 4. Obada is right there. He or another lineman should try to push Kelce over right off the snap then stand at the 5 yard line in case Mahomes tries to scramble. 

Edited January 25, 2022 by Rock-A-Bye Beasley

[Livinginthepast]

#93 on the Bills Obada is lined up right near Kelce on the 2nd play. All he has to do is slightly get in his way or actually hit him within the 5 yards and either Kelce doesn't catch that ball or he does but there is no time left.   Instead he takes off on a fruitless pursuit of Mahomes! All because our bozo coaches instructed the Defense to rush 4 and even if the players thought that was a bad plan, they couldnt deviate from it. So frustrating to watch how easy that was for Mahomes and Kelce. The Bills player who tackles him is at least 5 yards away from Kelce when he catches it.  The Chiefs players and their fans must be laughing their asses off at our utter stupidity and caution on both those plays. Sickening!

Edited January 25, 2022 by Livinginthepast

[BuffaloBaumer]

THis is exactly why it was the biggest loss in Buffalo sports history. The ending was totally preventable and just cost the city its first championship.

 

Allen's contract kicks in next year so not nearly the same amount of money to spend on FAs

They will have to relearn 1 if not 2 different systems next year

Jerry Hughes will be gone

Beasley and/or McKenzie will be gone

They will never be that healthy again going into an AFC Championship game

[Beerball]

49 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I don't even think i can watch this.  

I am not ready myself. I’m dipping my toe in the water and that’s it. Trying to stay away from sports radio, articles. TV is easy, no NFLN, though I do miss Kay Adams.

[colin]

i still can't decide if i think it was all on mcd, who simply thought kc was out of timeouts, or on frazier, who isn't the sharpest tool in the drawer and thinks having a back up plan is a bad idea, is who is most responsible for this horrible display.

 

i suppose it is possible that jonny details, our head coach, got so lost in the details he couldn't see the full picture and decided to call a guaranteed FG allowing d to stop a potential TD, but even after this abortion of an ending i think that's just too much.  

 

 

[st pete gogolak]

I'll say it again.  It's not just the fact that they kicked a 49 yard FG starting at the 25 with 13 seconds to go, it was that it was so damn easy.  I was worried about Butker being jacked up and hitting a 60 yard FG, or maybe Mahones pulls an Eli Manning and does a Houdini escape and makes a pass to a KC receiver who makes a David Tyree catch.  Nope.  Nothing.  Two plays where the Bills seem to be protecting against a TD and not a FG and give up 20 and 25 yards with basically no resistance.  Insanity!!

[LABILLBACKER]

51 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

give him a break....McD is "still learning"

 

 

in several more years, he'll figure it out.

For every mistake Sean learns from, he makes 2 more. At this rate he'll be as good as Andy in 2038.

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, st pete gogolak said:

I'll say it again.  It's not just the fact that they kicked a 49 yard FG starting at the 25 with 13 seconds to go, it was that it was so damn easy.  I was worried about Butker being jacked up and hitting a 60 yard FG, or maybe Mahones pulls an Eli Manning and does a Houdini escape and makes a pass to a KC receiver who makes a David Tyree catch.  Nope.  Nothing.  Two plays where the Bills seem to be protecting against a TD and not a FG and give up 20 and 25 yards with basically no resistance.  Insanity!!

 

Exactly! There was basically ZERO pressure or resistance. We let them complete 2 passes without even challenging them. 

[Matt_In_NH]

I think McDermott knows it was on him/coaching.  Not that it does anything, the coaching screwed the pooch, its hard to accept

[Matt_In_NH]

On the Kelce play, they could have done the everyone hold the WR thing to waste some time and take a 5 yard penalty which would have left them with one play.   I  think McD probably thought that was bush league but they are probably getting ready for Cinci if they did it.

[Steptide]

Just now, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

I think McDermott knows it was on him/coaching.  Not that it does anything, the coaching screwed the pooch, its hard to accept

I agree. He kept talking about execution in his pc today. I think this was his way of saying that the coaches blew it. I feel so bad for Allen. Litterally won the game and then the coaches let him down

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Just now, Steptide said:

I agree. He kept talking about execution in his pc today. I think this was his way of saying that the coaches blew it. I feel so bad for Allen. Litterally won the game and then the coaches let him down

His way of saying the coaches blew it sounds a lot like someone saying the players blew it. 

[Steptide]

Just now, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

His way of saying the coaches blew it sounds a lot like someone saying the players blew it. 

Well either way, it was an epic fail on defense. 

[billsbackto81]

They were obviously covering the side line out routes so they can prevent their kicker from kicking a game tying 75 yard FG.

[2003Contenders]

One thing that just dawned on me that I can't believe I didn't think about before...

 

When Kelce makes that catch, he is racing down field -- in no way trying to give himself up. It isn't until Wallace comes up and tackles him is desperation that he calls a timeout, which gives the Chiefs 3 seconds left to set up the field goal. What if Wallace DOES NOT make that tackle? With our safeties playing so deep, I wonder if Kelce would have allowed those last 3 seconds to tick down in a vane attempt to make it to the end zone?

Edited January 25, 2022 by 2003Contenders

[LABILLBACKER]

14 minutes ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

I think McDermott knows it was on him/coaching.  Not that it does anything, the coaching screwed the pooch, its hard to accept

You mean the same Sean McDermott who has never admitted he's done anything wrong? That guy? Last year we're all screaming during the afccg, for the love of god jam this mother f er at the line. And we didn't. This year does Sean learn from his mistakes,  NO.  I'm telling you it will never be Sean's character,  culture or process that loses you a game. It will be his ineptitude in close game management situations. We saw it in Houston. We saw it last year and it reared it's ugly head last Sunday. Do you see a playoff pattern here?

Edited January 25, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[coloradobillsfan]

15 minutes ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

On the Kelce play, they could have done the everyone hold the WR thing to waste some time and take a 5 yard penalty which would have left them with one play.   I  think McD probably thought that was bush league but they are probably getting ready for Cinci if they did it.

 

It's a penalty to commit multiple fouls in an effort to subvert the clock, and the refs will put the time back on the clock.  

[Steptide]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You mean the same Sean McDermott who has never admitted he's done anything wrong? That guy? Last year we're all screaming during the afccg, for the love of god jam this mother f er at the line. And we didn't. This year does Sean learn from his mistakes,  NO.  I'm telling you it will never be Sean's character,  culture or process that loses you a game. It will be his ineptitude in close game management situations. We saw it in Houston. We saw it last year and it reared it's ugly head last Sunday. Do you see a playoff pattern here?

In media he won't admit his faults, but I 100% believe in front of the team he does. I think McDermott does everythjng possible to avoid distraction in the outside world, but in the building I think it's a different story. 

[starrymessenger]

I think Josh Allen is to blame. He miscalled the coin toss.

[JoshAllin]

I don't understand how KC can blanket Diggs and Knox all game but the bills can't do the same with Kelce and with 13 secs left

[Patrick Duffy]

27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

McD just reverts to caution way too often when the going gets tough… I thought he turned a corner after the 2nd Patriots game.

I disagree....he has been going for it quite a bit more on 4th downs and been more aggressive than used to be. As for this recent KC game he did pretty well until the last there.  

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

give him a break....McD is "still learning"

 

 

in several more years, he'll figure it out.

 

[US Egg]

Got to think Bills players must have been, and still are, questioning what their coaches were thinking sticking with their ‘D’ strategy, when it was evident late in game it wasn’t working, as the Chiefs we’re moving with ease more and more.

 

McDermott opened himself up to scrutiny unlike any he’s been under before.

 

He will be viewed by many from here on as suspect, and rightly so.

 

 

 

[Process]

5 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I disagree....he has been going for it quite a bit more on 4th downs and been more aggressive than used to be. As for this recent KC game he did pretty well until the last there.  

It lasted one drive vs KC.

 

There were two 4th downs where we clearly should have gone for it, and he punted. KC scored TDs after both punts. 

 

Sure, he's aggressive and will run up the score on garbage teams like the Patriots. 

 

He consistently shrivels up and coaches scared in the biggest moments.

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Process said:

It lasted one drive vs KC.

 

There were two 4th downs where we clearly should have gone for it, and he punted. KC scored TDs after both punts. 

I'm not sure about clearly should have went for it both 4th downs. I believe 1 of those 4th downs it was 4th and 5 or so. I do recall 1 of them I thought they should have went and didn't.  When 4th and 5 or more it's tougher decision

[Process]

2 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I'm not sure about clearly should have went for it both 4th downs. I believe 1 of those 4th downs it was 4th and 5 or so. I do recall 1 of them I thought they should have went and didn't.  When 4th and 5 or more it's tougher decision

We punted on 4th and 1 and 4th and 4. The 4th and 4 was from midfield.

 

You have Josh Allen as your QB and are going against the Chiefs. Like I mentioned both times the chiefs marched right down the field and scored TDs.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Process

[billieve420]

Can't believe there wasn't a happy medium between calling what we did and then Todd Bowles in Tampa calling Cover 0 which allowed Kupp to beat them deep. I would have played aggressive and had someone check those guys at the line of scrimmage and let anyone else but Hill or Kelce to beat you.

Edited January 25, 2022 by billieve420

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, Process said:

We punted on 4th and 1 and 4th and 4. The 4th and 4 was from midfield.

 

You have Josh Allen as your QB and are going against the Chiefs. Like I mentioned both times the chiefs marched right down the field and scored TDs.

Yeah definitely should have went for the 4th and 1. That's the one I remember begging for them to go for it. Other one, even at mid field, being 4th and 4 can be tricky. But anyway, yeah there are areas he needs to improve for sure, but overall McD is better than he used to be

[Old Coot]

I wish someone on this board would analyze the defenses in the final 13 secs.  On Kelce's 20 yard grab Wallace has outside leverage on Kelce so someone must have had inside leverage but who? Milano? one of the safeties?

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

50 minutes ago, coloradobillsfan said:

 

It's a penalty to commit multiple fouls in an effort to subvert the clock, and the refs will put the time back on the clock.  

Key word is multiple. If we do this once they don’t have 3 seconds to kick the fg

[FilthyBeast]

The lack of attention to detail here is simply astounding.

 

And while Kelce may go down as the best TE in NFL history when it's all said and done there's simply no excuse to not double or even triple team him and force someone else to beat you.

[Process]

8 minutes ago, Old Coot said:

I wish someone on this board would analyze the defenses in the final 13 secs.  On Kelce's 20 yard grab Wallace has outside leverage on Kelce so someone must have had inside leverage but who? Milano? one of the safeties?

We weren't defending against a 20 yard play. We were trying to stop the 90 yard hail mary. 

 

Everyone is desperately trying to find an explanation. I get it.... It still hurts....but there is none. The coaches choked.

[NoSaint]

24 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

Can't believe there wasn't a happy medium between calling what we did and then Todd Bowles in Tampa calling Cover 0 which allowed Kupp to beat them deep. I would have played aggressive and had someone check those guys at the line of scrimmage and let anyone else but Hill or Kelce to beat you.

rush 3, 3 deep safeties and 5 across underneath making life tough on the receivers.

 

Squib and do anything to slow down with play and we are hosting this week 

[RochesterLifer]

50 minutes ago, motorj said:

I don't understand how KC can blanket Diggs and Knox all game but the bills can't do the same with Kelce and with 13 secs left

You can't see the relationship between blanketing Diggs and Knox in the same game that Davis catches 5 TD passes? It didn't work for KC either.

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

give him a break....McD is "still learning"

 

 

in several more years, he'll figure it out.

I know McDermott isn’t as seasoned as Reid, but damn.  This is ridiculous.  I didn’t know that he called two TOs on that drive and did not adjust or change alignments either time.  Wow. 

[Niagara Dude]

1 hour ago, Process said:

No one was covering Kelce ... They were playing prevent defense in a situation where the Chiefs only needed a quick 15 yards....

Stupid coaching,  prevent defence is when you are ahead by 7 not 3.  Sean and Frazier choked,  they could have just tackled/held Hill on that first play and you are allowed to do that once but not on consecutive plays.  Sean said in his presser that they considered it,  it most likely wins them the game because the Chiefs had only 3 secs left after two passes and both passes Mahomes throws the ball very quickly because Bills are giving Chief players free release off the line.  

1 hour ago, Process said:

No one was covering Kelce ... They were playing prevent defense in a situation where the Chiefs only needed a quick 15 yards....

Stupid coaching,  prevent defence is when you are ahead by 7 not 3.  Sean and Frazier choked,  they could have just tackled/held Hill on that first play and you are allowed to do that once but not on consecutive plays.  Sean said in his presser that they considered it,  it most likely wins them the game because the Chiefs had only 3 secs left after two passes and both passes Mahomes throws the ball very quickly because Bills are giving Chief players free release off the line.  

1 hour ago, Process said:

No one was covering Kelce ... They were playing prevent defense in a situation where the Chiefs only needed a quick 15 yards....

Stupid coaching,  prevent defence is when you are ahead by 7 not 3.  Sean and Frazier choked,  they could have just tackled/held Hill on that first play and you are allowed to do that once but not on consecutive plays.  Sean said in his presser that they considered it,  it most likely wins them the game because the Chiefs had only 3 secs left after two passes and both passes Mahomes throws the ball very quickly because Bills are giving Chief players free release off the line.  

1 hour ago, Process said:

No one was covering Kelce ... They were playing prevent defense in a situation where the Chiefs only needed a quick 15 yards....

Stupid coaching,  prevent defence is when you are ahead by 7 not 3.  Sean and Frazier choked,  they could have just tackled/held Hill on that first play and you are allowed to do that once but not on consecutive plays.  Sean said in his presser that they considered it,  it most likely wins them the game because the Chiefs had only 3 secs left after two passes and both passes Mahomes throws the ball very quickly because Bills are giving Chief players free release off the line.  

1 hour ago, Process said:

No one was covering Kelce ... They were playing prevent defense in a situation where the Chiefs only needed a quick 15 yards....

Stupid coaching,  prevent defence is when you are ahead by 7 not 3.  Sean and Frazier choked,  they could have just tackled/held Hill on that first play and you are allowed to do that once but not on consecutive plays.  Sean said in his presser that they considered it,  it most likely wins them the game because the Chiefs had only 3 secs left after two passes and both passes Mahomes throws the ball very quickly because Bills are giving Chief players free release off the line.  

[JoshAllin]

12 minutes ago, RochesterLifer said:

You can't see the relationship between blanketing Diggs and Knox in the same game that Davis catches 5 TD passes? It didn't work for KC either.

So they couldn't let anyone else but Kelce or Hill beat them in the final seconds? I'll take that any day of the week 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Let's be honest here.

 

McDermott is no match for Reid.

 

McDermott is playing checkers while Reid is playing chess

[Mark92]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

I don't even think i can watch this.  

I will NEVER watch that game again.  I can't do it.  Even though it was the game Cementing Josh Allen as the best of the best.  

[Niagara Dude]

3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Let's be honest here.

 

McDermott is no match for Reid.

 

McDermott is playing checkers while Reid is playing chess

It was one one the worse meltdowns in years,  he screwed up bad.  Like why did he not just go up to Bass himself and instruct him to do pop up or squid kick,  this BS of first telling the special teams coach who then never told Bass sounds like a coverup.