Locomark Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 It’s not a dilemma, keep him at guard. Next year we draft another guard to replace the overpaid Williams. We jettison Ford. Morse retires and we use Feliciano at Center. That gains salary cap room so we can get a decent DE for once because Jerry is toast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 22 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said: Isn't it Ryan Bates? Norman would be a better nickname! I wonder what McKittrick thinks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Just call him Rick: Bills’ Ryan Bates creating buzz, having time of his life Quote The name has grown on Bates. He was recently staring up at the nameplate on his locker stall and briefly contemplated just grabbing a sharpie, crossing out Ryan and writing in Rick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Good article on Ryan, er I mean Rick, Bates https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2021/12/just-call-him-rick-bills-ryan-bates-creating-buzz-having-time-of-his-life.html Quote McDermott wouldn’t commit to a plan at left guard moving forward on Wednesday. Jon Feliciano was activated off the Covid list and could reclaim his spot. But Bates isn’t worried too much about it. He’s too busy having the time of his life. “This past game was fun. I can’t remember the last time I had so much fun playing football,” Bates said. “We’re on a roll and we’re gonna be dangerous down the stretch now. I’ll tell you right now we’ve always been dangerous, don’t get me wrong, but right now this team is on fire.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Good, keep them guessing (but it better be Bates!). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Not sure what the dilemma should be, most knew he was a viable option and should have played sooner. And at this point you can use Feliciano to be the backup center/guard and keep him on the bench where he belongs. Either way for this team to have a realistic chance to make a deep playoff run this oline must perform at the same level (or very close) to what they did against the Patriots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 If Bates is in front of Mango at 1 guard spot is Mango in front of Williams at the other guard? If its Bates and Mango at guard so be it, take the chance that that the 3 guys that play center will not all get hurt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 The line that finished the game against the Patsies, should be the line that starts against the Falcons. Simple as. I saw more cohesiveness in that group, than I've seen from any other of the myriad groupings we've used this season. Bates should definitely start at LG, the only other possible change could be Feliciano at RG for Williams - but I certainly wouldn't start with that. They weren't perfect, but they looked like a unit, not a random selection of big uglies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 30 minutes ago, Buddo said: The line that finished the game against the Patsies, should be the line that starts against the Falcons. Simple as. I saw more cohesiveness in that group, than I've seen from any other of the myriad groupings we've used this season. Bates should definitely start at LG, the only other possible change could be Feliciano at RG for Williams - but I certainly wouldn't start with that. They weren't perfect, but they looked like a unit, not a random selection of big uglies. So with the exception of Bates at LG, the same line we have had since Brown took over at RT? Sounds like a plan.🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 They will play the best 5 at any given time while also considering they need a backup Center. Which can be either Feliciano or Bates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Been calling for Bates to be inserted into the lineup for weeks glad he’s getting his opportunity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I don't know, Bates needs to lose the black shoes. He might have some troubles against the power rush, but looks like another decent, athletic type olineman. We'll see if other teams will be able to exploit his weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Start Bates. Get up by three touchdowns and the rotate Ford into LG for a few snaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillnutinHouston Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 On 12/31/2021 at 7:35 AM, mattynh said: They will play the best 5 at any given time while also considering they need a backup Center. Which can be either Feliciano or Bates. I think Bates gets the start at G tomorrow with Feliciano penciled in as backup C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Bates looks like the Golden Ticket they were gifted in exchange for giving away Teller. It's pretty amazing how one teams trash is another teams prize. Player evaluation has so many intricacies. This morning I've read a few articles on Bates. None from NFL Front Offices but scouting reports that I suspect are words written by some guy that was regurgitating what NFL Personnel have said in sound bites while scouting Bates or seeing him at the combine or sometime since. He's a road grade run blocker. His only weakness is run blocking. He's a Tackle. He'll never play tackle. He can only play Guard. He can fill any position on the OL. The combination of reports goes on and on. These guys (Teller, Bates) were guys that just needed time to develop. Some players peak in college, get drafted high and then suck in the NFL. Some guys don't peek until year 3 in the NFL and they turn out to be absolute steals as late picks or FA's because some player development guy saw something that no one else did. Regardless, the Bills OL is stocked with depth. Especially with Morse still there with one more year on his contract. Spencer Brown struggled mightily filling in at LT, and the plan wasn't for him to start at RT as much this year, but here we are. And guess what? I remember watching Anthony Munoz get absolutely embarrassed by Sherman White in his rookie year. Only one of those two guys is in the HoF. The O Line struggled through a lot of Covid and injury issues this year. I'm looking forward to how well this unit looks if they can stay healthy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, OnTheRocks said: Bates looks like the Golden Ticket they were gifted in exchange for giving away Teller. It's pretty amazing how one teams trash is another teams prize. Player evaluation has so many intricacies. This morning I've read a few articles on Bates. None from NFL Front Offices but scouting reports that I suspect are words written by some guy that was regurgitating what NFL Personnel have said in sound bites while scouting Bates or seeing him at the combine or sometime since. He's a road grade run blocker. His only weakness is run blocking. He's a Tackle. He'll never play tackle. He can only play Guard. He can fill any position on the OL. The combination of reports goes on and on. These guys (Teller, Bates) were guys that just needed time to develop. Some players peak in college, get drafted high and then suck in the NFL. Some guys don't peek until year 3 in the NFL and they turn out to be absolute steals as late picks or FA's because some player development guy saw something that no one else did. Regardless, the Bills OL is stocked with depth. Especially with Morse still there with one more year on his contract. Spencer Brown struggled mightily filling in at LT, and the plan wasn't for him to start at RT as much this year, but here we are. And guess what? I remember watching Anthony Munoz get absolutely embarrassed by Sherman White in his rookie year. Only one of those two guys is in the HoF. The O Line struggled through a lot of Covid and injury issues this year. I'm looking forward to how well this unit looks if they can stay healthy. I was just going to post something similar. eli Harold for Ryan Bates is another great Beane move. We lost Teller, but gained Bates. The line has really played great since Bates started. going forward Dawkins-Bates-Morse-X-Brown is solid. Next year we add bad ass RG, backup to groom behind Morse, swing tackle, resign Levi and Harrison- these Bills are built to win long term! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 On 12/30/2021 at 7:04 AM, Locomark said: It’s not a dilemma, keep him at guard. Next year we draft another guard to replace the overpaid Williams. We jettison Ford. Morse retires and we use Feliciano at Center. That gains salary cap room so we can get a decent DE for once because Jerry is toast. Considering that McDermott and Daboll and Josh have all been heaping praise on Morse as having his best season this year and so forth, moving on from Morse doesn’t seem likely to be on the menu. And no, Feliciano is not a better center than Morse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 On 12/29/2021 at 10:23 AM, Philo said: I believe it was Knox that said they call him Rick in the locker room, because he just looks like a Rick is that a nice way of calling him a D*ck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) Play him and get Darryl Williams off the field, monster liability. Williams should have been benched from the play at the end of the Jags game where he didn't know the snap count and allowed Smoot to go unabated at Allen. Dude is trash. Edited January 9, 2022 by ArtVandalay 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Wow trash is a bit much. He’s a versatile starter who can play G/T. Think he’s played better recently. They are not going to disrupt this line another time imho. LG will be Bates or JF that’s it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 On 1/7/2022 at 11:12 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Considering that McDermott and Daboll and Josh have all been heaping praise on Morse as having his best season this year and so forth, moving on from Morse doesn’t seem likely to be on the menu. And no, Feliciano is not a better center than Morse. I said that because the rumors are that Morse may wish to retire at season’s end. I am not basing it on his play. He has to consider his family after all his concussions so he won’t be one of those lineman who plays to 35 IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Locomark said: I said that because the rumors are that Morse may wish to retire at season’s end. I am not basing it on his play. He has to consider his family after all his concussions so he won’t be one of those lineman who plays to 35 IMO. Curious about those rumors cuz I haven’t read Morse hasn’t had a concussion this season (yet) has he? He’s previously been pretty emphatic about he’s going to be fine because he “does things right” as far as concussion protocol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Curious about those rumors cuz I haven’t read Morse hasn’t had a concussion this season (yet) has he? He’s previously been pretty emphatic about he’s going to be fine because he “does things right” as far as concussion protocol I read it came from his father that Mitch was thinking about this being his last season and informed the team prior to this year. I truly believe that was why they were so urgent about the Feliciano resigning. I hope I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Locomark said: I read it came from his father that Mitch was thinking about this being his last season and informed the team prior to this year. I truly believe that was why they were so urgent about the Feliciano resigning. I hope I am wrong. What was urgent about the Feliciano resigning? They signed Milano and Williams before him I recall and Mongo signed a day or two before free agency started on lower money than most thought Edited January 10, 2022 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I am still souled on Cody Ford, being the lineman they drafted him to be but I think if the Bills don’t make it they should replace Bobby Johnson before trading or letting players walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) On 1/9/2022 at 9:55 PM, Aussie Joe said: What was urgent about the Feliciano resigning? They signed Milano and Williams before him I recall and Mongo signed a day or two before free agency started on lower money than most thought Because they had no backup center!!! Feliciano was a known quantity at center and passable at guard. Bates was a guess if they needed him at center and you don’t want a guess at the man who makes the line calls. So this way they had insurance at both roles. It makes even more sense now that Mongo isn’t even playing. They saw him as just a depth guy and not a clear cut starting guard. Remember Mongo played when Mitch was out and actually they performed pretty well with him at center so they trusted him there. I think the moment they draft a solid young center then Mongo will be a goner soon after because they don’t need him at that salary. Edited January 11, 2022 by Locomark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/8/2022 at 11:05 PM, ArtVandalay said: Play him and get Darryl Williams off the field, monster liability. Williams should have been benched from the play at the end of the Jags game where he didn't know the snap count and allowed Smoot to go unabated at Allen. Dude is trash. This is one of the worst takes I've read in a while. No doubt Williams isn't an ideal RT candidate any longer, but he has been our best RG option all season. WTF are you watching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: This is one of the worst takes I've read in a while. No doubt Williams isn't an ideal RT candidate any longer, but he has been our best RG option all season. WTF are you watching? Agreed. Williams was horrendous in the Jax game. But he has really looked good at guard. He has even looked much better when forced to shift to tackle when Dawkins and Brown were out. i actually would be very comfortable going into next season with Dawkins and Brown at tackles and Williams at right guard. I think the big questions will be what they do at LG and even with Morse at center. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 16 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: I am still souled on Cody Ford, being the lineman they drafted him to be but I think if the Bills don’t make it they should replace Bobby Johnson before trading or letting players walk. That's the spirit. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 1:01 AM, NickelCity said: That's the spirit. Show me where I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I think the team has decided that Bates is a better choice at Guard than Feliciano. Not sure Feliciano will see that position again, unless due to injury. I think (and hope) it all changes this off-season anyway with some new blood and maybe position reassignments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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