Gameday Bills vs Pats* Postgame Thread

[Cheektowaga Chad]

I don't know if ive ever seen belicheck as happy after a win on the sidelines as tonight 

[Matt_In_NH]

AJ Klein to COVID at 5 pm hurt.  

[Governor]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

It was absolutely catchable. The defender made a better play. Knox needs to step up and make the play, period. Especially in light of all of the other plays he screwed up.

 

The Pats had exactly two completions tonight and one of them was a better catch than any catch a Bills player has made this year. I'm just sick of these games where Allen makes ridiculous play after ridiculous play and no one else on offense wants to do the same.

Ya, Knox plays really small. Most TE’s would’ve pulled that in and caught it with their hands.

[Mopreme]

1 minute ago, Juice_32 said:

That’ll be next week.

Lol

[Jerboski]

3 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

The D actually wasn’t terrible.  10 stops on 12 3rd downs.  Have the offense great field position time and time again.  One big play where we didn’t close the gap.  But this was not a loss due to the defense.  This was a lack of offensive execution

This was total team loss 

 

they threw the ball 3 times and still scored enough to win in horrible conditions…. Defense was a big part of this loss no matter what y’all want to say 

[Comebackkid]

13 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I saw him running, adjusting to the pass. Ball hit his forearm 

coming over his shoulder from behind...its not like he was able to run past the ball..stop....turn around and then attack it. 

[Toyo321]

This game comes down to it again, costly turnovers and stupid mistakes again.  Josh missed critical passes to open receivers when we needed them the most.  Our receivers dropped the balls they needed to catch at a crucial times in the game. Our Defense can't stop the run to save their damn lives.  Our LB's are pathetic.  IT IS A EMBARRASEMENT TO LOSE TO A TEAM MAKING ONLY 3 PASS ATTEMPTS.   Every coach on the Bills side line needs to be taken out to the wood shed for an a** whooping.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Toyo321

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

It was absolutely catchable. The defender made a better play. Knox needs to step up and make the play, period. Especially in light of all of the other plays he screwed up.

 

The Pats had exactly two completions tonight and one of them was a better catch than any catch a Bills player has made this year. I'm just sick of these games where Allen makes ridiculous play after ridiculous play and no one else on offense wants to do the same.

 

If that's Gronk a yellow flag comes gleefully floating in 4 seconds after the whistle for DPI and Brady makes his little point forward signal and it's 1st and goal from the 1

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

Yep...100%...But The way Josh was throwing it they still could not manage much, and then were chasing down and distance again...The throw away plays are killers because it cuts down the margin of error...

 

Anyway...I agree...

I’m with you I said the same thing week 1 when everyone was pleading for more running plays to rbs. Do whatever it takes to score points there’s no style points 

[Mattymafia]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

That’s an awful take. Hoodie’s entire game plan was to stop Josh from running. That was pretty apparent in the first minutes of the game by the pressure and spying. He had nowhere to go at any point.

Was it though? We cant possible know that if the QB never actually had a designed run. You had first and goal on the 6, your only effective runner is your qb, but you give it to one of your mediocre running backs for a 1 yard run. Worst case is Allen gets no gain, thats basically what happened. This team runs through Allen and Daboll tried to make him throw in the wind and not challenge them with the possibility of the run. Also he goes 5 weeks without calling a jet sweep when they have been effective. He has been bad. Really, REALLY BAD. 

[Mynamemike]

We miss John brown and his ability to scare teams with the speed downfield. It let Diggs and Bease work underneath at will. Sanders doesn’t scare anyone with his five yard routes.  We need to revamp the Oline and get some legitimate speed at wideout.

[CincyBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, Beast said:

Easy peasy. The Bills may have been gashed on the ground but the damage was minimal. The game was lost by offensive players, to include our kicker, not coming up big in big situations.

This completely misreads what happened tonight.  The damage the Pats did to the Bills on the ground WON THE FREAKING GAME for them.  Again people ignore that in a wind game like this the Pats were able to steal possessions and field position by holding onto the ball for a couple of long drives. 

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, Mattymafia said:

He has been terrible all year. The games we lost have often been terrible offensive displays (minus the Titans game). He calls Jet sweeps one game, ignores it for the next 5 games. Calls QB runs, you don't see those runs for weeks at a time. This game he calls no QB runs. In a game where the wind is a disaster, he doesnt run the ball with the only effective runner on the team. It is a joke how bad hes been this year. I wish someone hired him so we had someone who cares more about winning than calling cute plays. 

Fair point. It did take him till the Jets game (the week after the Jags fiasco) to even try to bring Allen under center, use a power running formation, etc. even though it was abundantly obvious by October that the offense had become far too pass happy.

[Best Williams Available]

The Bills are a poorly coached team. In ST, Offense and in-game especially. They habitually lose close games, habitually by making the same mistakes. Their players also don’t make plays when required, habitually.

[TheFunPolice]

Remember when McKenzie ran jet sweeps?

 

Our offense lacks creativity. Motions, shifts, misdirection

[BRH]

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

If that's Gronk a yellow flag comes gleefully floating in 4 seconds after the whistle for DPI and Brady makes his little point forward signal and it's 1st and goal from the 1

If that’s Gronk and Brady the game probably doesn’t even get to that point because those two roughing-the-passers are called.  

[IronyAbounds]

48 minutes ago, mannc said:

I think we already knew that.

After next week it will be this isn't a playoff team.

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Guys on the other side make great plays too. The coverage was great.

 

Sure. I expect Knox to make the play instead. We drafted an athletic freak at TE to make plays like that. The ball hit his hands. Secure it. It wouldn't have been a highlight reel catch.

[Mattymafia]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

Fair point. It did take him till the Jets game (the week after the Jags fiasco) to even try to bring Allen under center, use a power running formation, etc. even though it was abundantly obvious by October that the offense had become far too pass happy.

In a game where the wind was clearly a factor, maybe calling misdirection and qb runs would have helped. The RBs have been bad all year and every single person in this forum knew they wouldnt be effective today. Daboll is just too "smart" for his own good. He thinks hes the smartest dude in the stadium but he is a moron. He has been awful all year. 

[Governor]

4 minutes ago, Mattymafia said:

Was it though? We cant possible know that if the QB never actually had a designed run. You had first and goal on the 6, your only effective runner is your qb, but you give it to one of your mediocre running backs for a 1 yard run. Worst case is Allen gets no gain, thats basically what happened. This team runs through Allen and Daboll tried to make him throw in the wind and not challenge them with the possibility of the run. Also he goes 5 weeks without calling a jet sweep when they have been effective. He has been bad. Really, REALLY BAD. 

He was already completely leveled by Judon and got up slowly and then was launched into the tenth row on that sideline run and was holding his arm like it was dislocated.

 

Are you for real?

 

The jet-sweep was figured out last year. It doesn’t work anymore. No one runs it.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Governor

[par73]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

Remember when McKenzie ran jet sweeps?

 

Our offense lacks creativity. Motions, shifts, misdirection

Really thought McKenzie could have been a factor on offense tonight.

[CincyBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

I actually am surprised they don’t run more screens in the red zone.

We're to slow.  Seriously the RB's are slow and not very shifty.  And once Breida had that awful fumble putting him in the game and giving him the ball is like playing with dynamite.

 

Diggs was the ONLY other offensive player who elevated his game tonight like Allen did.  It's actually remarkable how average and below average the rest of the Bills offense is.

 

 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

This completely misreads what happened tonight.  The damage the Pats did to the Bills on the ground WON THE FREAKING GAME for them.  Again people ignore that in a wind game like this the Pats were able to steal possessions and field position by holding onto the ball for a couple of long drives. 

Exactly. It is the confidence to know that your gameplan is a sound one for the game conditions, and the discipline to stick with it. Any other coach would've thought "I'll at least show them pass a few times to keep them honest." No. Zero passes against the wind, 3 with it (and 2 of those at the very end). No FGs or PATs attempted against the wind. 

We almost stole one here because of the incredible playmaker we have in Allen, but almost doesn't count. The boring disciplined guy is ahead of us in the standings, and probably for good.

[Nelius]

1 minute ago, Mynamemike said:

We miss John brown and his ability to scare teams with the speed downfield. It let Diggs and Bease work underneath at will. Sanders doesn’t scare anyone with his five yard routes.  We need to revamp the Oline and get some legitimate speed at wideout.

 

There was the the weather so this is hard to judge this game, I get the shorter routes tonight. Sanders is very fast too though and has shown it this year. Actually within a second of Brown's 40 time (from years ago) and Brown is probably not in the league right now for pretty good reason, it's not just the Bills that have passed on him. If there's more examples beyond this game I think the better question is why are the coaches using Sanders that way?

[Beast]

6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

You did see the 15 yard punt?

 

The ball went intonyhe netting and just slid by the upright. Big players make big plays with no excuses. Bass needs to make that kick.

 

Remember Vinatieri making a clutch kick in a snow storm? Big-time players make big-time plays.

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

the RB's are slow and not very shifty

And not particularly big and powerful either. 

Other than that they're just fine.

[Mattymafia]

Just now, Governor said:

He was already completely leveled by Judon and got up slowly and then was launched into the tenth row on that sideline run and was holding his arm like it was dislocated.

 

Are you for real?

 

 

Yes I am for real. Your best player is your QB because of his running ability and ability to improvise. You take that away and the offensive is bad. Daboll didnt even try to run the ball with Allen. When Allen took off, it worked but nothing was designed. And thats why the bills lost. Only points were on a gift. 

[Nitro]

I am puzzled about the design of the offense plays.  Dabol likes to keep the receivers out side the hash marks.  Only  time them throw to the middle is on third down to Beasley.   This offense tonight was bland and easy to defend.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

This completely misreads what happened tonight.  The damage the Pats did to the Bills on the ground WON THE FREAKING GAME for them.  Again people ignore that in a wind game like this the Pats were able to steal possessions and field position by holding onto the ball for a couple of long drives. 

It really doesn’t…we had excellent field position most of the night. A ‘wind game’ where our qb was getting the ball where it needed to go and people couldn’t catch it…where Matt Breida fumbles in insanely good field position throwing away easy points. Defense tightened the screws when they had to and the pats were essentially running themselves out of the game… they certainly aren’t blameless but I guarantee bill mixes up their offensive playcalling if we did absolutely anything on offense. He essentially got to run the clock out starting in the first quarter…he likely knew it wouldn’t lead to points but he trusted his defense

[IronyAbounds]

14 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Honestly how do we know we don’t lose that game by more in a dome? One qb literally could not pass in those conditions and one could. You think a more balanced pats offense would’ve improved our chances? They ran the ball up and down the field then got stuffed outside of fg range most of the game 

How will the Bills stop their run if their is any chance of the Pats passing? They had trouble stopping the run when they loaded up against it.

[Protocal69]

20 minutes ago, Floydboy12 said:

I thought when the Diggs trade happened the Bills would have been better served to keep the picks and draft Jefferson. Diggs was great last year. But long term, Jefferson and the picks still seems like the better move. Maybe with the picks Beane could have moved up this year and grabbed an every down back like Najee Harris. Beane is exalted by Bills fans, but the moves for Diggs, Edmunds, Ford, etc. have cost the team dearly. 

Stop lying. Left up to you would have gotten Golliday instead of Diggs. Only thing you mentioned about Jefferson was he should be consideration for the Bills with the 1st round pick since he ran a good 40 time.

[dakrider]

Belichick just dared the Bills to win the game but they didn't have it in them to do it. Patriots played not to lose, Bills played not to win.

Despite looking poor at times the Bills defense only gave up 1 TD.  It was the offense that lost them the game.  Allen didn't play bad but he also didn't do quite enough to win it and he did have a couple chances on those 2 drives. I seem to notice that when the Bills take a timeout on a big play, it seems to take away their momentum and they go out and make a poor play.  Don't give the defense a chance to regroup.  The Bills running backs are so weak its pathetic.  Not the the line is giving them any lanes to run thru but these guys get taken down by simple arm tackles. The Bills simply cannot beat physical teams that run the ball.  Indy, Jax, NE, etc.

[CincyBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, Governor said:

That is the dumbest tweet I’ve ever seen. Unreal.

I disagree.  On that 2nd to last drive with a first and goal at the 6, running Allen three straight times might have been a good idea. Or at least employ run/pass options. It looked like they went to straight drop back passes.

 

 

 

 

[Governor]

1 minute ago, Mattymafia said:

Yes I am for real. Your best player is your QB because of his running ability and ability to improvise. You take that away and the offensive is bad. Daboll didnt even try to run the ball with Allen. When Allen took off, it worked but nothing was designed. And thats why the bills lost. Only points were on a gift. 

You’re pretty far gone dude.

 

The reason we lost the game is because the Pats lined up and ran the ball 65 times at 7-10 yards a clip because we don’t have a LB.

[TheFunPolice]

Allen is a freaking warrior. Diggs is clutch, even though he missed that TD. He normally makes crazy catches.

 

But we need more guys on offense who can step up.

 

Sometimes your guards and center have to make plays (blocks) at key moments.

Edited December 7, 2021 by TheFunPolice

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Exactly. It is the confidence to know that your gameplan is a sound one for the game conditions, and the discipline to stick with it. Any other coach would've thought "I'll at least show them pass a few times to keep them honest." No. Zero passes against the wind, 3 with it (and 2 of those at the very end). No FGs or PATs attempted against the wind. 

We almost stole one here because of the incredible playmaker we have in Allen, but almost doesn't count. The boring disciplined guy is ahead of us in the standings, and probably for good.

I still disagree lol how is that stealing a game? The pats had one td all night. We had a lot more opportunities to make plays we just blew them all.  

[Billever76]

49 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Close game by two good teams. If I'm playing the blame game, it's certainly not Daboll. We should have scored at least 10 more points. Diggs drops a difficult pass for a TD, but it was there. Knox?!? And that missed FG attempt was fine. It was manageable and if it goes in, we only need a FG to win it. 

This is on the players not executing when the opportunity presented itself. Coaches put them in position to win. 

 

Mcdermott cost us 2 timeouts for absolutely no reason whatsoever and frazier refused to adjust once we knew mac simply wasnt going to throw the ball

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, IronyAbounds said:

How will the Bills stop their run if their is any chance of the Pats passing? They had trouble stopping the run when they loaded up against it.

That’s literally exactly what I’m saying lol we easily could’ve lost that game by more in a dome 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It really doesn’t…we had excellent field position most of the night. A ‘wind game’ where our qb was getting the ball where it needed to go and people couldn’t catch it…where Matt Breida fumbles in insanely good field position throwing away easy points. Defense tightened the screws when they had to and the pats were essentially running themselves out of the game… they certainly aren’t blameless but I guarantee bill mixes up their offensive playcalling if we did absolutely anything on offense. He essentially got to run the clock out starting in the first quarter…he likely knew it wouldn’t lead to points but he trusted his defense

I get your point, but to me the message of the game is simple. We talked all week about how Mac Jones wouldn't be able to throw in bad Buffalo weather. Belichick agreed; he didn't throw it at all. He signaled that very early and never deviated from it. We knew - particularly against the wind - that every play would be a running play.

And then they ran it for 222 yards.

We have the great playmakers, and that was almost the equalizer tonight. Almost. 

[streetkings01]

11 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It really wasn’t…our pride is hurt looking at the box score but the pats really weren’t effective on offense with scoring points. Bill trusted his defense and that our offense would shoot itself in the foot and it worked out for him 

That’s what I took away from the game. Defense gave up a long TD in the 1st quart and 6 points the rest of the play. Pats only made it to the redzone 2x on 10 possessions and never had a 1st and goal. Our offense came away with 10 points on 4 redzone possessions……that’s the bigger story.