2021 New York Jets Are Historically Bad

[Gugny]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32633547/new-york-jets-blowout-loss-buffalo-bills-brings-new-marks-defensive-futility

 

The Jets (2-7), young and rebuilding on both sides of the ball, expected growing pains in 2021. But their defense has performed at a historically bad level. Consider:

• The Jets have allowed 175 points in their past four games, the second most allowed in a four-game span by any team since the 1970 AFL/NFL merger.
• They're the first team to allow at least 45 points three times in a four-game span since the 1966 New York Giants.
• They have surrendered 1,890 total yards during the abysmal stretch, the worst four-game period in franchise history.

 

Coach Robert Saleh, who built his reputation in the league on defense, seemed at a loss to explain the latest embarrassment.  "Our system prides itself on being able to get better as the year goes on," Saleh said. "Clearly, it's not happening."

 

Clearly.  Good!! 😁

 

[Greg S]

Johnson will never sell his cash cow. Bought the Jets for 635 million in 2000. They are valued at 4.05 billion today. Jets fans are stuck with the Johnson's. The chances they turn it around are slim under his ownership.

[Albany,n.y.]

The Jets may have messed up the most important thing a team can do-draft a QB high in the 1st round-twice in 4 years.  Even worse the QBs they should have taken (Allen in 2018 & M. Jones in 2021) went to division rivals who have embarrassed Saleh's D 3 times this year already with a 4th yet to come.  

 

Did the Jets even look at the Bills/49ers game last year when the Bills toasted Saleh's D?  If so did they even ask him to explain last year's game against a team he would be facing twice a year?  Maybe he sold them on "My D will get better as the years go on."    

[The Frankish Reich]

So you’re saying it wasn’t all Adam Gase’s fault after all?

[MJS]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

So you’re saying it wasn’t all Adam Gase’s fault after all?

He was a significant contributor.

[RoyBatty is alive]

19 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The Jets may have messed up the most important thing a team can do-draft a QB high in the 1st round-twice in 4 years.  Even worse the QBs they should have taken (Allen in 2018 & M. Jones in 2021) went to division rivals who have embarrassed Saleh's D 3 times this year already with a 4th yet to come.  

 

Did the Jets even look at the Bills/49ers game last year when the Bills toasted Saleh's D?  If so did they even ask him to explain last year's game against a team he would be facing twice a year?  Maybe he sold them on "My D will get better as the years go on."    

 

 

I recall that as well and the players that were really roasted was Richard Sherman who looked slow last year and is now on the Bucs.

[Captain Hindsight]

9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

So you’re saying it wasn’t all Adam Gase’s fault after all?

He had his issues, but clearly Darnold was bad (as evidenced this season)

 

Wilson doesn’t look the park either. To swing and miss top 3 picks 4 years apart is impressive 

[uninja]

Any DC/HC that decides that playing man coverage against Stefon Diggs with a backup/practice squad DB just coming off the bench is a good idea deserves everything they get.

 

I don't get Saleh and the Jets, you literally watched MIA and JAX show you exactly how to make the Bills mortal and you decide 'nah, we're gonna play our brand of football instead.'

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[dave mcbride]

The fish rots from the head. They have a very bad owner, just like the Knicks.

[MJS]

The Jets are just a historically bad organization. They are bottom five in all-time win percentage.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Subtract the 90 points by the Bills, who sit starters once they exceed 42 points and the run up the score Pats*** 45 
 

how do they look then?

[WhoTom]

35 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Even worse the QBs they should have taken (Allen in 2018 & M. Jones in 2021) went to division rivals

 

If they had drafted Allen, he probably wouldn't have flourished like he has in Buffalo. But at least they'd have kept him away from a division rival.

 

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, uninja said:

Any DC/HC that decides that playing man coverage against Stefon Diggs with a backup/practice squad DB just coming off the bench is a good idea deserves everything they get.

 

I don't get Saleh and the Jets, you literally watched MIA and JAX show you exactly how to make the Bills mortal and you decide 'nah, we're gonna play our brand of football instead.'

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

And they stuck with that coverage lots. Heard announcers said they played cover 3 (going to look more into) . Double dumb on there coaching staff, putting there defense in wrong spots. So many not good thing's over there. Really question if Saleh is even a good hire. He doesn't seem to adjust. Great teams adjust bad teams don't.

[SCBills]

Rex Ryan went IN on Robert Saleh... yeesh

[billsfan1959]

I like Saleh and, as we all know, it is tough to turn around a franchise mired in a losing culture. I'll see what he does over the next couple of years before I say he wasn't a good hire.

[May Day 10]

I would feel pretty bad/hopeless if I were a Jets fan.  They were really hoping to take a good step forward this year, and I just don't see it.  Wilson looks iffy at best.  All that draft capital and I dont see much to show for it (not too impressed with the 2022 class either).   Miami, same boat, but maybe worse because they had such a glimmer of hope. 

 

Saleh looks like a member of the pile of other failed coaches you see.  When the Jets were driving at the end of the 1st half, they had 2 timeouts in their pocket.  Someone got tackled in-bounds with about 46 seconds left.  I believe they ran their next play with the clock running down to like 23 seconds.  He froze there and failed.  They ended up fumbling anyway. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Scottlaw?

[benderbender]

That win last year that cost them Trevor Lawrence was a boon. A boon! I have never used that word before. That's how great it turned out for us. 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

21 minutes ago, benderbender said:

That win last year that cost them Trevor Lawrence was a boon. A boon! I have never used that word before. That's how great it turned out for us. 

 

Yeah, I’m retrospect that was probably the worst single mistake the Jets have made, pointlessly winning a game that iced the #1 overall for Jax. 

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32633547/new-york-jets-blowout-loss-buffalo-bills-brings-new-marks-defensive-futility

 

The Jets (2-7), young and rebuilding on both sides of the ball, expected growing pains in 2021. But their defense has performed at a historically bad level. Consider:

• The Jets have allowed 175 points in their past four games, the second most allowed in a four-game span by any team since the 1970 AFL/NFL merger.
• They're the first team to allow at least 45 points three times in a four-game span since the 1966 New York Giants.
• They have surrendered 1,890 total yards during the abysmal stretch, the worst four-game period in franchise history.

 

Coach Robert Saleh, who built his reputation in the league on defense, seemed at a loss to explain the latest embarrassment.  "Our system prides itself on being able to get better as the year goes on," Saleh said. "Clearly, it's not happening."

 

Clearly.  Good!! 😁

 

 

Can the Jets time his termination to when Frazier leaves?  I actually really like him as a defensive coordinator.

[st pete gogolak]

And yet, they've beaten Titans and Bengals handily.  

[FilthyBeast]

You are 100% correct with the Jets being a complete dumpster fire which is also why Bills fans should still be realistic and not start booking tickets for LA just yet because one game/win doesn't erase the problems that better teams are going to exploit again as soon as this week against a very good Colts squad that's climbed out of an 0-3 hole to start the season.

[billsfan1959]

12 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

You are 100% correct with the Jets being a complete dumpster fire which is also why Bills fans should still be realistic and not start booking tickets for LA just yet because one game/win doesn't erase the problems that better teams are going to exploit again as soon as this week against a very good Colts squad that's climbed out of an 0-3 hole to start the season.

 

But didn't you predict a blowout win by the Jets?

 

So, if you thought the Jets would dominate the Bills, shouldn't we be excited about a blow out win against them?

 

Or, if you truly agree that the Jets are a dumpster fire and you still predicted a blowout win over the Bills (that turned out to be the exact opposite), doen't that pretty much call into question any assessment of the Bills you might have?

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Greg S said:

Johnson will never sell his cash cow. Bought the Jets for 635 million in 2000. They are valued at 4.05 billion today. Jets fans are stuck with the Johnson's. The chances they turn it around are slim under his ownership.

 

No one is worse than the Fords of Detroit.

[Dukestreetking]

Funny line from jets forum re undisciplined play:

 

"The penalties are the cherry on top of the suck"

 

(Sorry have to add another I just saw. Win poverty begets genius)

 

Once burned is normal
Twice burned is foolish
Thrice is heracy
Four times is Jetsian

 

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Dukestreetking

[Gugny]

56 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

You are 100% correct with the Jets being a complete dumpster fire which is also why Bills fans should still be realistic and not start booking tickets for LA just yet because one game/win doesn't erase the problems that better teams are going to exploit again as soon as this week against a very good Colts squad that's climbed out of an 0-3 hole to start the season.

 

Can I rent you for a party.  It's going to be a Jonestown theme, so you'll be perfect!

 

[Just in Atlanta]

Last coach with a winning record is Bill Parcells.

[billsfan89]

11 hours ago, Greg S said:

Johnson will never sell his cash cow. Bought the Jets for 635 million in 2000. They are valued at 4.05 billion today. Jets fans are stuck with the Johnson's. The chances they turn it around are slim under his ownership.

It must be insanely frustrating to be a Jets fan. Because it isn’t like the Johnson family isn’t willing to spend money on the team. They are never afraid to go up to the cap and they seemingly are willing to spend for other aspects. 
 

I don’t know if Woody Johnson is a meddling owner like James Dolan (who may have finally decided to get out of his own way) or if he is just constantly making bad decisions with coaching/GM hires due to bad luck.

[Chandler#81]

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

 

[GunnerBill]

20 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

I like Saleh and, as we all know, it is tough to turn around a franchise mired in a losing culture. I'll see what he does over the next couple of years before I say he wasn't a good hire.

 

I feel sorry for him. That D is seriously talent deficient. I reckoned at the start of the year they had three guys on the entire D who would start on other teams - Quinnen Williams, CJ Mosely (who hadn't played in two years) and Marcus Maye (who is a straight up stud) - the rest are backup level players at best. The two guys he had brought in who would otherwise be on that list - Vinny Curry and Carl Lawson lost for the year. Then he finds a gem in a 2nd round UDFA who is getting pressure the first 6 weeks (when they D was doing okay) then he goes down for the year too. Then Maye goes down for the year. 

 

I mean their top corner is Bryce Hall - a 2nd year 5th rounder of limited athletic ability. They have made some progress on the oline, that is better than it has been even with Becton missing every game since week 1, they have a bit of life at receiver with Davis and Moore they have a promising do it all runner in Michael Carter, but they need to spend major resources on that defense. And of course they need Wilson to hit.  

Edited November 16, 2021 by GunnerBill

[dave mcbride]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I feel sorry for him. That D is seriously talent deficient. I reckoned at the start of the year they had three guys on the entire D who would start on other teams - Quinnen Williams, CJ Mosely (who hadn't played in two years) and Marcus Maye (who is a straight up stud) - the rest are backup level players at best. The two guys he had brought in who would otherwise be on that list - Vinny Curry and Carl Lawson lost for the year. Then he finds a gem in a 2nd round UDFA who is getting pressure the first 6 weeks (when they D was doing okay) then he goes down for the year too. Then Maye goes down for the year. 

 

I mean their top corner is Bryce Hall - a 2nd year 5th rounder of limited athletic ability. They have made some progress on the oline, that is better than it has been even with Becton missing every game since week 1, they have a bit of life at receiver with Davis and Moore they have a promising do it all runner in Michael Carter, but they need to spend major resources on that defense. And of course they need Wilson to hit.  

Yup. And Rex's character assassination of Saleh given this grim situation is really low.

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Yup. And Rex's character assassination of Saleh given this grim situation is really low.

 

Just Rex being Rex. Classless clown. 

[Gugny]

On 11/15/2021 at 11:14 AM, Gugny said:

• The Jets have allowed 175 points in their past four games, the second most allowed in a four-game span by any team since the 1970 AFL/NFL merger.

 

For some perspective, the 2000 Baltimore Ravens defense gave up 165 points ... over the entire regular season.

[Greg S]

The Jets revised motto for 2021.