We are at the point of the season where this regime needs to send a message to the lockerroom

[FilthyBeast]

One thing we've heard preached over and over with this HC/GM is 'culture'. It's why they made an ill advised decision to 'run it back' in the offseason bringing back pretty much the same team that was smashed by the Chiefs in the championship game instead of letting certain players walk/get released and replace them with other options. It's also why many buffalo media speculated that that Beane didn't want to make any trades of note last week brining in players from outside the organization because of the apparently lockeroom lovefest with this team.

 

But this may be the issue and based on some of the postgame comments from the Jaguars that they noticed the Bills sideline didn't seem to care or have much interest in the game. Obviously it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know this based on the sheer amount of penalties and you have to wonder if this team had any real practice last week or was just busy taking selfies and playing on instagram on their phones.

 

It's one thing for a team to be complacent if they are coming off a championship season, but this team has done nothing of note other than win a division title once in 25 years. They aren't the Chiefs, Brady Pats teams or anything close the 90 Bills despite claims otherwise.

 

Therefore if I'm Beane/McDermott I release someone (obvious candidate is Cody Ford) and send a message that the results on the field aren't nearly good enough and expected by this team if they truly aspire for greatness. The time for accountability is now before things spiral out of control quickly. They may anyway given the lack of talent in key areas of this roster, but at least you try to right the ship by making a bold move or two.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

23 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Therefore if I'm Beane/McDermott I release someone (obvious candidate is Cody Ford) and send a message that the results on the field aren't nearly good enough and expected by this team if they truly aspire for greatness.

 

FORD SHOULD HAVE BEEN RELEASED ALREADY!!! He's a bust in the mold of Mike Williams. That's on the management and staff.

[Paup 1995MVP]

That is an interesting take what the Jaguars players said after the game.  Can't win in the NFL like that.  

 

We are soft on offense because we don't have a good tough O line, and absolutely no running game.  I would sit both Singletary and Moss next week.  Neither of these guys has any explosiveness.  What did we see in them to draft both in the 3rd round??  And play Breida and Antonio Williams.  And yes cut Cody Ford.  He is trash.  And why we don't have a second TE better then Tommy Sweeny is beyond me.  He doesn't look like he could start for a lot of college programs.  

 

This needs to be a come to Jesus week for McDermott and the entire team especially the offense.  What we saw on the field today is not acceptable.  (The defense played its ass off today with half the secondary injured) 

[No_Matter_What]

26 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

It's why they made an ill advised decision to 'run it back' in the offseason bringing back pretty much the same team that was smashed by the Chiefs in the championship game instead of letting certain players walk/get released and replace them with other options.

Why don't we wait until the end of the season to see if it was ill advised?

 

Also, we smashed Chiefs this season. With a team which you called 2-3 win team in other thread lol.

[StHustle]

I def had that feeling during the game. Time for Ford to go. His bust status has been cemented. 

[MAJBobby]

Nah let them keep having 

 

races

dance offs

DBs running QB drills

all those little videos Bills Twitter loves posting and the fans go all Gaga over. 
 

 

how about FIXING YOUR OFFENSE instead 

[Big Turk]

If anyone is joking at practice next week, the first one who does gets lambasted if I'm McD.

 

They have lost that right until they show they can handle it properly. They need to earn it back.

[727Bills]

Not gonna happen, that's not McD's style, either lambasting a player or using a player to prove a point..... Imo

[thenorthremembers]

The Bills need to get healthy.  That said Ford needs to go as early as Monday.

Edited November 8, 2021 by thenorthremembers

[Ethan in Cleveland]

McD is the one to go.  There was a thread before the season started and it was something like who was going to hold us back or who shoudl be held responsbile iof they don't win the SB. My answer has been and always will be McD.  There are just way too many games his team plays down to the competition and one side of the ball or the other is historically awful.  It goes back to his defense giving up 298 yards rushing to the Saints and continues to today when the offense with a MVP candidate QB can't score 9 points.  

But there will be no accountability.  I'm telling you this guy is not the guy.  He is a good enough but not great enough coach to get it done. 

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

One thing we've heard preached over and over with this HC/GM is 'culture'. It's why they made an ill advised decision to 'run it back' in the offseason bringing back pretty much the same team that was smashed by the Chiefs in the championship game instead of letting certain players walk/get released and replace them with other options. It's also why many buffalo media speculated that that Beane didn't want to make any trades of note last week brining in players from outside the organization because of the apparently lockeroom lovefest with this team.

 

But this may be the issue and based on some of the postgame comments from the Jaguars that they noticed the Bills sideline didn't seem to care or have much interest in the game. Obviously it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know this based on the sheer amount of penalties and you have to wonder if this team had any real practice last week or was just busy taking selfies and playing on instagram on their phones.

 

It's one thing for a team to be complacent if they are coming off a championship season, but this team has done nothing of note other than win a division title once in 25 years. They aren't the Chiefs, Brady Pats teams or anything close the 90 Bills despite claims otherwise.

 

Therefore if I'm Beane/McDermott I release someone (obvious candidate is Cody Ford) and send a message that the results on the field aren't nearly good enough and expected by this team if they truly aspire for greatness. The time for accountability is now before things spiral out of control quickly. They may anyway given the lack of talent in key areas of this roster, but at least you try to right the ship by making a bold move or two.

 

You're a weak leader if you have to get rid of someone just to "send a message."  

 

 

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

McD is the one to go.  There was a thread before the season started and it was something like who was going to hold us back or who shoudl be held responsbile iof they don't win the SB. My answer has been and always will be McD.  There are just way too many games his team plays down to the competition and one side of the ball or the other is historically awful.  It goes back to his defense giving up 298 yards rushing to the Saints and continues to today when the offense with a MVP candidate QB can't score 9 points.  

But there will be no accountability.  I'm telling you this guy is not the guy.  He is a good enough but not great enough coach to get it done. 

 

The 3rd winningest coach in Bills history.  And you want to get rid of him?  And replace him with who?  

Edited November 8, 2021 by hondo in seattle

[AlfaBill]

I think of the scene in moneyball when Brad Pitt enters the locker Room after a loss and the team is dancing and laughing. He busts the radio and waits a few seconds to let the quiet sink in. “That’s what losing sounds like”

[SinceThe70s]

4 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

You're a weak leader if you have to get rid of someone to "send a message."  

 

The 3rd winningest coach in Bills history.  And you want to get rid of him?  And replace him with who?  

 

Gruden's avaialble 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

You're a weak leader if you have to get rid of someone to "send a message."  

 

The 3rd winningest coach in Bills history.  And you want to get rid of him?  And replace him with who?  

That says more about the Bills franchise than it does McD.  My first choice would probably be Lincoln Riley.  They need a young offensive minded HC.  Anyone can coach this vanilla McD/Frazier defense.  

 

I get it.  There is almost no way McD loses his job even if the Bills don't make the playoffs.  That said owners can be impatient and with Allen in place and the roster they have, it would be a prime landing spot.  

Edited November 8, 2021 by Ethan in Portland

[Thurman#1]

They don't need a message from the coaches or anybody else.

 

They got all the message they needed right on the field.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

That says more about the Bills franchise than it does McD.  My first choice would probably be Lincoln Riley.  They need a young offensive minded HC.  Anyone can coach this vanilla McD/Frazier defense.  

 

There are a number of teams who have come close but not closed the deal, decided the problem was the coach, fired him, and sunk into mediocrity.

[Thurman#1]

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

That says more about the Bills franchise than it does McD.  My first choice would probably be Lincoln Riley.  They need a young offensive minded HC.  Anyone can coach this vanilla McD/Frazier defense.  

 

 

Utter nonsense.

 

If anyone could coach a defense this good, all the defenses would run this scheme and be this good.

 

They've got the right coach now.

 

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

McD is the one to go.  There was a thread before the season started and it was something like who was going to hold us back or who shoudl be held responsbile iof they don't win the SB. My answer has been and always will be McD.  There are just way too many games his team plays down to the competition and one side of the ball or the other is historically awful.  It goes back to his defense giving up 298 yards rushing to the Saints and continues to today when the offense with a MVP candidate QB can't score 9 points.  

But there will be no accountability.  I'm telling you this guy is not the guy.  He is a good enough but not great enough coach to get it done. 

 

Nice job. It's not often we get two such ridiculous posts right in a row.

 

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

3 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

One thing we've heard preached over and over with this HC/GM is 'culture'. It's why they made an ill advised decision to 'run it back' in the offseason bringing back pretty much the same team that was smashed by the Chiefs in the championship game instead of letting certain players walk/get released and replace them with other options. It's also why many buffalo media speculated that that Beane didn't want to make any trades of note last week brining in players from outside the organization because of the apparently lockeroom lovefest with this team.

 

But this may be the issue and based on some of the postgame comments from the Jaguars that they noticed the Bills sideline didn't seem to care or have much interest in the game. Obviously it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know this based on the sheer amount of penalties and you have to wonder if this team had any real practice last week or was just busy taking selfies and playing on instagram on their phones.

 

It's one thing for a team to be complacent if they are coming off a championship season, but this team has done nothing of note other than win a division title once in 25 years. They aren't the Chiefs, Brady Pats teams or anything close the 90 Bills despite claims otherwise.

 

Therefore if I'm Beane/McDermott I release someone (obvious candidate is Cody Ford) and send a message that the results on the field aren't nearly good enough and expected by this team if they truly aspire for greatness. The time for accountability is now before things spiral out of control quickly. They may anyway given the lack of talent in key areas of this roster, but at least you try to right the ship by making a bold move or two.

 

I get what you're saying, but if the Bills appeared to lack interest on the sideline, that falls on the Coaches and Team Captains.  Ford shouldn't be released for that reason.  He should be released because he's overmatched at this level.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Greatdane21]

Our running backs are absolutely too slow to run anywhere but between the tackles. 
Bredia was brought in for that but never even dresses .

if you don’t get a thumper back there you’d better have speed it takes our guys forever to get to the line .

[Milanos Milano]

2 hours ago, 727Bills said:

Not gonna happen, that's not McD's style, either lambasting a player or using a player to prove a point..... Imo

 

Then McD needs to shoulder all responsibilities then. If he can’t get us a super bowl win by the end of next season, I’m looking for someone who can. 

[VaMilBill]

6 minutes ago, Greatdane21 said:

Our running backs are absolutely too slow to run anywhere but between the tackles. 
Bredia was brought in for that but never even dresses .

if you don’t get a thumper back there you’d better have speed it takes our guys forever to get to the line .

Thing is Singletary doesn’t have speed or power and Moss is basically singletary with a little more power, but not much. 

[Mango]

Tell me you never competed in sports outside of high school without telling me you never competed in serious sports outside of high school. 
 

Releasing a player mid year after a loss to prove a point is a terrible idea, especially with a pretty healthy locker room. 
 

This is something Gruden would do. 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Every season under Sean McDermott they have gone thru a few game stretch in the middle of the season where they play like they are just tired of "the process" and put on a series of inexplicably,  uncharasterically,  pathetic, listless and undisciplined performances.

 

It's been like the "dog days of summer" in baseball.    Every season.

 

After looking pathetic they've always bounced back and finished the season strong.    

 

Was really hoping they'd figure out how to avoid this sh*t this time around........especially with such an easy schedule........but nope........both the Dolphins and Jags games have been shite.

 

I would expect the light will come back on in a couple weeks.

 

        

 

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by BADOLBILZ

[Rick 'r Mortis]

Bench Josh Allen.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Every season under Sean McDermott they have gone thru a few game stretch in the middle of the season where they play like they are just tired of "the process" and put on a series of inexplicably,  uncharasterically pathetic, listless, undisciplined performances.

 

It's been like the "dog days of summer" in baseball.    Every season.

 

After looking pathetic they've always bounced back and finished the season strong.    

 

Was really hoping they'd figure out how to avoid this sh*t this time around........especially with such an easy schedule........but nope........both the Dolphins and Jags games have been shite.

 

I would expect the light will come back on and they will finish strong as they have in the other seasons.         

 

I hope you’re right

[billsfanmiamioh]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

McD is the one to go.  There was a thread before the season started and it was something like who was going to hold us back or who shoudl be held responsbile iof they don't win the SB. My answer has been and always will be McD.  There are just way too many games his team plays down to the competition and one side of the ball or the other is historically awful.  It goes back to his defense giving up 298 yards rushing to the Saints and continues to today when the offense with a MVP candidate QB can't score 9 points.  

But there will be no accountability.  I'm telling you this guy is not the guy.  He is a good enough but not great enough coach to get it done. 

This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen here. And the bar constantly resets…😂

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Every season under Sean McDermott they have gone thru a few game stretch in the middle of the season where they play like they are just tired of "the process" and put on a series of inexplicably,  uncharasterically,  pathetic, listless and undisciplined performances.

 

It's been like the "dog days of summer" in baseball.    Every season.

 

After looking pathetic they've always bounced back and finished the season strong.    

 

Was really hoping they'd figure out how to avoid this sh*t this time around........especially with such an easy schedule........but nope........both the Dolphins and Jags games have been shite.

 

I would expect the light will come back on in a couple weeks.

 

        

 

 

What few-game stretch was that last year? Titans/Chiefs was early and weird, and we went 13-3.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Mango said:

Tell me you never competed in sports outside of high school without telling me you never competed in serious sports outside of high school. 
 

Releasing a player mid year after a loss to prove a point is a terrible idea, especially with a pretty healthy locker room. 
 

This is something Gruden would do. 

They literally did it with Spain last year.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, 727Bills said:

Not gonna happen, that's not McD's style, either lambasting a player or using a player to prove a point..... Imo

 

MCD is part of the problem then.  He sucks as an in game coach with challenges and deciding when to accept or decline a penalty. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

I couldn't agree more.

 

The way McDermott handled that press conference was pathetic. No fire, no passion, just acting as if this was a reasonable result, clearly trying to downplay it. Very Jauron "It's hard to win in this league" ish.

 

And I'm not convinced the locker room gets anything different, honestly.

[billsfanmiamioh]

28 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

That says more about the Bills franchise than it does McD.  My first choice would probably be Lincoln Riley.  They need a young offensive minded HC.  Anyone can coach this vanilla McD/Frazier defense.  

 

I get it.  There is almost no way McD loses his job even if the Bills don't make the playoffs.  That said owners can be impatient and with Allen in place and the roster they have, it would be a prime landing spot.  

I stand corrected…😂

[RyanC883]

11 minutes ago, Mango said:

Tell me you never competed in sports outside of high school without telling me you never competed in serious sports outside of high school. 
 

Releasing a player mid year after a loss to prove a point is a terrible idea, especially with a pretty healthy locker room. 
 

This is something Gruden would do. 

 

Gruden does have a SB ring.  

[billsfanmiamioh]

Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

Gruden does have a SB ring.  

So does Trent Dilfer. Your point? 

[Motorin']

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Every season under Sean McDermott they have gone thru a few game stretch in the middle of the season where they play like they are just tired of "the process" and put on a series of inexplicably,  uncharasterically,  pathetic, listless and undisciplined performances.

 

It's been like the "dog days of summer" in baseball.    Every season.

 

After looking pathetic they've always bounced back and finished the season strong.    

 

Was really hoping they'd figure out how to avoid this sh*t this time around........especially with such an easy schedule........but nope........both the Dolphins and Jags games have been shite.

 

I would expect the light will come back on in a couple weeks.

 

        

 

 

 

True... Just listened to Josh's post game interview. He's sounds like he's sick: https://www.buffalobills.com/video/josh-allen-and-tremaine-edmunds-they-wanted-it-more

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

What few-game stretch was that last year? Titans/Chiefs was early and weird, and we went 13-3.

 

Chiefs, Titans, Jets and Patriots.   Got out of it 2-2.   They should have lost the Patriots game but Justin Zimmer saved the bacon with that strip of Cam as the Pats were about to put the ball in the end zone and run Belichick's record against McD to 7-0.    

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Chiefs, Titans, Jets and Patriots.   Got out of it 2-2.   They should have lost the Patriots game but Justin Zimmer saved the bacon with that strip of Cam as the Pats were about to put the ball in the end zone and run Belichick's record against McD to 7-0.    

Yup

 

didnt break out of the funk until Seahawks

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

 

Brilliant decision that was….

Sure was

 

made it to the AFCCG

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yup

 

didnt break out of the funk until Seahawks

Sure was

 

made it to the AFCCG

 

In 2019 they had that stretch that included the bad loss to the Browns and the inexplicable, horrible home performance against the Eagles.

 

In 2018 they got completely WAXED by NE, Indy and Chicago in a quick stretch that had people calling for Daboll's head.

 

In 2017........of course the worst 3 game defensive stretch in team history...........followed by the surprising road win in KC.

 

It's a thing with the McDermott regime........EVERY season they've had a stretch in mid-year where they play terrible and to date they've always bounced back.

 

[RyanC883]

19 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

So does Trent Dilfer. Your point? 

 

You critiqued something Gruden did.  He coached a team to a SB win.  MCD has done nothing   wow.  one division win. He is Marvin Lewis 2.0

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Agreed….. can see a tight one next week again though. Jets defense blows but they were embarrassed last week and I suspect they’ll play much better against a reeling Bills offensive line. 

Brilliant decision that was….

 

 

I hope they find a way to win either way but do tend to believe that the Jets probably aren't enough to wake them from their slumber and play a good all-around game.

 

McDermott has to know this is a thing by now.  

 

It strikes me that they might need an emotional moment to flip the switch...............like when McD apologized to the team for benching Tyrod back in 2017 and they came out firing the following week.    The narrow escape against NE seemed to provide the emotional spark to flip the switch last season.   

[Big Turk]

If I was McD the first person to joke around at practice this week would be made an example of.

 

They lost the right for that. Now it's time to get back to business. If they want to be able to get back to laughing and joking again they are going to have to earn it.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Big Turk