[Edit -Released by Raiders] Henry Ruggs involved in a fatal car crash, "DUI resulting in death" charges expected

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

@Hapless Bills Fan

 

Hap, I haven't been really paying attention since he left, but I just assumed that since departing Buffalo, even though he isn't a starter, that he was doing 30-35 per, just by inertia.

 

I was not expecting 33 games after his Bills career, with 40 total receptions. 

 

No I was not. 

 

You can't let him be the starter if you are the Raiders.  you can't

 

Nope.  Now I grant you, Jones only saw the field 27% of the offensive snaps in 2020 and 20% so far in 2021 (he's been playing some Teams, which he was not asked to do with Buffalo or in 2019-20 with the Raiders).

 

But he got 72% of the offensive snaps with LVR in 2019, and he contributed 2 receptions per game and 15 yds per game. 

27 targets in 461 snaps.  That's like what, 1 target every 20 snaps or so?

 

Pretty shabby for a guy who only needed a real QB throwing to him to make good.

 

 

[Steve O]

16 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

Didn’t read all the comments, but anyone know why it was DUI as opposed to DWI? He was twice the legal limit?

 

 

overall just sad for the deceased. This was so avoidable. People make choices and each one realistically can change your entire life… 

 

 

"In the state of Nevada, all three terms DUI, DWI, or OUI are interchangeable and are used when discussing driving under the influence of either drugs or alcohol."

https://addictionblog.org/nevada/laws/dui

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

 Saw a number of comments asking for empathy for Ruggs because he’s a 22 year old kid who made a terrible life changing choice. I struggle with that. The dude had more options than the average schmoe to do the right thing. Anyone can call an Uber or a taxi. He also had the NFLPA 24/7 transport service at his disposal. He could’ve called a teammate, a coach, a friend, hell, a friggin’ fan would’ve helped him. He knew better. He knew he had these options and he still made the decision to get behind the wheel and drive. I don’t care what he came from, I don’t care if the money and the mild celebrity status changed him. It’s not that effin’ hard to understand the four simple words of “Don’t drink and drive.” I can’t empathize with that and unlike Carr, I got no love for someone who needlessly ended someone’s life because they wanted to be a hot shot and race around in their fancy new car. 156 mph in a 40 mph residential zone on a street with a high number of traffic lights is ridiculously absurd. All my love and empathy is for the victim and her family. She’s gone because this dude was a jack@$$. His actions are inexcusable and indefensible. 

Well, if he was twice the legal limit 2 hours after the crash, he was legit blackout drunk when he got into his car, and essentially had no clue what he was doing.  I have a couple of friends/acquaintances who are alcoholics and I've witnessed them get to that blackout drunk stage on more than one occasion and they are essentially braindead feral creatures at that point.  His mistake was driving himself and his girl out for the evening when he knew he was going to drink.  Don't get me wrong, he needs to pay dearly for his actions - but questioning his judgment in that moment is really irrelevant, since he no longer had the ability to make any kind of rational decision. 

 

Also, why didn't his GF step in and at least attempt to stop him from getting behind the wheel in that state?  She admitted to the cops that they had been drinking all night.  She is not blameless either.

[Chaos]

Did the Raiders move quicker on an old email, or on vehicular homicide? 

[Blank Stare]

5 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Those terrible moments will haunt them for the rest of their lives. 

Haunts me just to read the words on a page. Couldn’t imagine being in their shoes and witnessing that. Not being able to do anything to free her. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Well, if he was twice the legal limit 2 hours after the crash, he was legit blackout drunk when he got into his car, and essentially had no clue what he was doing.  I have a couple of friends/acquaintances who are alcoholics and I've witnessed them get to that blackout drunk stage on more than one occasion and they are essentially braindead feral creatures at that point.  His mistake was driving himself and his girl out for the evening when he knew he was going to drink.  Don't get me wrong, he needs to pay dearly for his actions - but questioning his judgment in that moment is really irrelevant, since he no longer had the ability to make any kind of rational decision. 

 

Also, why didn't his GF step in and at least attempt to stop him from getting behind the wheel in that state?  She admitted to the cops that they had been drinking all night.  She is not blameless either.

Right for blackout. But he should limit himself when driving or going out. If wanna drink lots do it at home.  One of my buddies go out sometimes usly has one or two drinks and call it quits. When driving legit limit you're self. Just unfortunate feel terrible for everyone. Thoughts and prayers goes to everyone.  All this horrible for everyone.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

56 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Did the Raiders move quicker on an old email, or on vehicular homicide? 

 

Raiders didn't move on old email.  Gruden resigned.

Now, whether his tail got twisted to do so I can't say

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Raiders didn't move on old email.  Gruden resigned.

Now, whether his tail got twisted to do so I can't say

When the owner of a business (Mark Davis) walks into your office, and when he leaves you are no longer employed, its not too hard to figure out what happened. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Well, if he was twice the legal limit 2 hours after the crash, he was legit blackout drunk when he got into his car, and essentially had no clue what he was doing.  I have a couple of friends/acquaintances who are alcoholics and I've witnessed them get to that blackout drunk stage on more than one occasion and they are essentially braindead feral creatures at that point.  His mistake was driving himself and his girl out for the evening when he knew he was going to drink.  Don't get me wrong, he needs to pay dearly for his actions - but questioning his judgment in that moment is really irrelevant, since he no longer had the ability to make any kind of rational decision. 

 

Also, why didn't his GF step in and at least attempt to stop him from getting behind the wheel in that state?  She admitted to the cops that they had been drinking all night.  She is not blameless either.

 

I let this sit for 5 hrs and then came back to it because when I first read it, that last "also" part ticked me off.  It just reads like blame-shifting towards his injured girlfriend, to me.

 

These guys and their teammates would be the first to tell you they are "Grown Ass Men" who don't need anyone questioning their judgement or telling them what to do with their fine selves.

 

Sometimes when men abuse their WAG we hear (not saying this is you), "she knows how he gets when he's drunk, why did she get in his face like that?"  like it's her fault she got clocked, she should know better than to risk angering a super-strong "braindead feral creature".

 

If being a "braindead feral creature" who has been drinking means his judgement can't be questioned because he has none, why are we expecting his girlfriend (who may have been drinking just as much or more proportional to her body mass and metabolism) to have better judgement AND then exercise some control over him?

 

For all we know, she did say "hey, let's call an UBER and he said no and started to get pissed so she backed off

 

 

 

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

10 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Boy, Zay is now the starter.  Sorry if posted earlier.

 

He has 6 grabs this year.

Make no mistake Hunter Renfrow is the #1 receiver... even when Ruggs III was there

[without a drought]

On 11/2/2021 at 5:28 PM, BTB said:

I’m not defending Ruggs, but this thread is judge, jury and executioner all in one thread a 1/2 day after the accident. 
 

 

Funny, when one of our own was caught drag racing on Milestrip Rd(and luckily hit a tree instead of another car), there was a whole bunch of chalking it up to being a “troubled youth” who had to deal with much adversity growing up. 

Driving like an ass on a public road is not drag racing.

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Well, if he was twice the legal limit 2 hours after the crash, he was legit blackout drunk when he got into his car, and essentially had no clue what he was doing.  I have a couple of friends/acquaintances who are alcoholics and I've witnessed them get to that blackout drunk stage on more than one occasion and they are essentially braindead feral creatures at that point.  His mistake was driving himself and his girl out for the evening when he knew he was going to drink.  Don't get me wrong, he needs to pay dearly for his actions - but questioning his judgment in that moment is really irrelevant, since he no longer had the ability to make any kind of rational decision. 

 

Also, why didn't his GF step in and at least attempt to stop him from getting behind the wheel in that state?  She admitted to the cops that they had been drinking all night.  She is not blameless either.

 

.16 and he's "blackout drunk"? Come on, this is obviously not true.  He was able to open the car, start it up, drive out of the parking lot and travel a distance before crashing.  Then, after hitting another car at over 150 mph, he simply  got out of his vehicle  and started crying.   None of that is anything like "backing out", nor did a BAC of .16 make it impossible to chose a ride service instead. 

 

 

And putting this on the girlfriend?  Nice touch...

[BigAl2526]

Sounding like it may be a career ender for Ruggs.  I imagine that he'll be charged with something like vehicular manslaughter.  Unless he's got a real good attorney, he might be facing a few years in prison.  He may or may not be able to get back into football after doing 3-5 years.  He may be young enough when his sentence is over, but he's got to convince a team that he has reformed and it's worth taking a chance on him.

[Protocal69]

8 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Well, if he was twice the legal limit 2 hours after the crash, he was legit blackout drunk when he got into his car, and essentially had no clue what he was doing.  I have a couple of friends/acquaintances who are alcoholics and I've witnessed them get to that blackout drunk stage on more than one occasion and they are essentially braindead feral creatures at that point.  His mistake was driving himself and his girl out for the evening when he knew he was going to drink.  Don't get me wrong, he needs to pay dearly for his actions - but questioning his judgment in that moment is really irrelevant, since he no longer had the ability to make any kind of rational decision. 

 

Also, why didn't his GF step in and at least attempt to stop him from getting behind the wheel in that state?  She admitted to the cops that they had been drinking all night.  She is not blameless either.

Crazy cause I asked my wife earlier yesterday if I was stupid enough to be driving drunk and speeding would she have enough sense to stop me and she told me she would unless she was totally toasted as well and knocked out

 

I asked because when I was younger I know I got behind the wheel once or twice drunk but my thought process was to take my time rolled down my window, and just go home. I also had times I left my SUV at the club and took a cab home because I knew I was popped. I just don't understand how you get to the point you are doing 150+ mph down the street and at no point know you are about to smack right behind a another car. Sad for everyone involved.

[TheBrownBear]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I let this sit for 5 hrs and then came back to it because when I first read it, that last "also" part ticked me off.  It just reads like blame-shifting towards his injured girlfriend, to me.

 

These guys and their teammates would be the first to tell you they are "Grown Ass Men" who don't need anyone questioning their judgement or telling them what to do with their fine selves.

 

Sometimes when men abuse their WAG we hear (not saying this is you), "she knows how he gets when he's drunk, why did she get in his face like that?"  like it's her fault she got clocked, she should know better than to risk angering a super-strong "braindead feral creature".

 

If being a "braindead feral creature" who has been drinking means his judgement can't be questioned because he has none, why are we expecting his girlfriend (who may have been drinking just as much or more proportional to her body mass and metabolism) to have better judgement AND then exercised some control over him?

 

For all we know, she did say "hey, let's call an UBER and he said no and started to get pissed so she backed off

 

 

 

 

Well, that's an awful lot of projecting on your part.  So, now you're just assuming she was abused?  I guess it's possible she was afraid or somehow coerced - guy was carrying after all, but that's a pretty big leap to make.  I myself, when there is no information to suggest otherwise, choose to assume that the adults in this situation are autonomous and are responsible for their actions.  We know she chose to get in the car with an extremely drunk individual ( I dunno, maybe she was in worse shape than him?).  And if she was that drunk, then yes, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that she too lacked the cognitive awareness to make the correct and unselfish decision to call for a ride.  (Same thing applies if she was truly afraid of him).

 

Anyhow, the whole point of my post was to say that he shouldn't be driving himself out for the night if he intended to drink...period.  That was the decision that set the wheels in motion that led to this tragedy.  I know most people can be responsible and moderate their intake, but its way too easy for many people to have one too many or lose their handle on their alcohol intake in the moment.  I've seen it over and over again, which is why we see so many drunks on the road.

[Bferra13]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Unfortunately, the majority of the assets are likely to go to the lawyers, the victim's family will get some.

 

I had no idea that auto insurance companies could deny payment for DUI and speeding - can anyone here confirm or deny?

 

 

Yes.

I'm an insurance underwriter and this is false. Exclusions only for street racing. No exclusions to standard iso policies for dui. Just a guy talking out of his arse.

[TheBrownBear]

56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

.16 and he's "blackout drunk"? Come on, this is obviously not true.  He was able to open the car, start it up, drive out of the parking lot and travel a distance before crashing.  Then, after hitting another car at over 150 mph, he simply  got out of his vehicle  and started crying.   None of that is anything like "backing out", nor did a BAC of .16 make it impossible to chose a ride service instead. 

 

 

And putting this on the girlfriend?  Nice touch...

He was .16 when they drew his blood two hours later in the hospital.  .16 is enough to induce blackouts.  

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/interrupted-memories-alcohol-induced-blackouts

 

And blackouts do not mean you can't continue to physically function (at least for awhile).  But you are severely drunk and you are no longer able to make clear rational decisions.  

 

Also, I didn't put this all on his girlfriend.  I questioned what role she played in allowing herself to be in a car with an extremely drunk individual.

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Chaos said:

Did the Raiders move quicker on an old email, or on vehicular homicide? 

Vehicular homicide

[Richard Noggin]

2 hours ago, without a drought said:

Driving like an ass on a public road is not drag racing.

Two cars racing a short distance in a straight line, especially from a dead stop (like at a traffic light), IS most definitely drag racing. Let's not get caught up in silly semantics for no reason. 

[Gene Frenkle]

17 hours ago, SCBills said:

Im sure Carr was aware.  He is very much driven by his faith, and his faith centers around unconditional love and forgiveness.   
 

He has shown that in his comments with both Jon Gruden and Henry Ruggs. 
 

 

What exactly does Carr's faith have to do with anything?

[unbillievable]

1 hour ago, Bferra13 said:

I'm an insurance underwriter and this is false. Exclusions only for street racing. No exclusions to standard iso policies for dui. Just a guy talking out of his arse.

 

A few states classify "street racing" by speed, not intention.

Would this qualify, or does insurance companies have different rules. 

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

He was .16 when they drew his blood two hours later in the hospital.  .16 is enough to induce blackouts.  

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/interrupted-memories-alcohol-induced-blackouts

 

And blackouts do not mean you can't continue to physically function (at least for awhile).  But you are severely drunk and you are no longer able to make clear rational decisions.  

 

Also, I didn't put this all on his girlfriend.  I questioned what role she played in allowing herself to be in a car with an extremely drunk individual.

 

 

 Of course you did:

 

"why didn't his GF step in and at least attempt to stop him (not "her") from getting behind the wheel in that state?"

 

As for blackout. it is a phenomenon of temporary memory/recollection loss which is described as an inability to recall events that happened while drinking---ata a later time, such as the next day. You incorrectly descibed "blackout" drunk as being a "brain dead feral creature"  which is inaccurate and also does not describe (by any witness or offiical account) Ruggs's state after the accident.  Just as he was able to find his car, start it, drive it successfully out of the drinking venue for some distance before crashing, he easily could have chosen to call a driver.  He chose not to.  Alcohol influenced both choices, no doubt.  But he was still making choices.  He wasn't a brain dead animal at that point.

 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

7 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said:

What exactly does Carr's faith have to do with anything?

He said something after Gruden was fired/resigned to the effect of "love the person, hate the sin". Hence his comments about still wanting to be there for Ruggs

 

I may not fully agree with it, but I respect Carr's consistency 

[Bubba Gump]

37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 Of course you did:

 

"why didn't his GF step in and at least attempt to stop him (not "her") from getting behind the wheel in that state?"

 

As for blackout. it is a phenomenon of temporary memory/recollection loss which is described as an inability to recall events that happened while drinking---ata a later time, such as the next day. You incorrectly descibed "blackout" drunk as being a "brain dead feral creature"  which is inaccurate and also does not describe (by any witness or offiical account) Ruggs's state after the accident.  Just as he was able to find his car, start it, drive it successfully out of the drinking venue for some distance before crashing, he easily could have chosen to call a driver.  He chose not to.  Alcohol influenced both choices, no doubt.  But he was still making choices.  He wasn't a brain dead animal at that point.

 

 

 

Sounds like he is/has been a heavy drinker for awhile. Some regular Joe social drinker falls off the stool way before pounding 18 drinks. He knew he was lit, but he thought, no problem, do it all the time. JMO. I think he was prolly in what they call a "brownout". What happens just before you blackout.

[wjag]

The thing I can’t  wrap my head around is how you can get any car up to 156 mph on a city surface street.  So many obstacles. Lights, stop signs, cameras, parked cars, traffic, animals, curves, etc.  It’s insanely dangerous.  It’s literally suicidal. And now they let someone with so little regard for others lives (including his passenger) out on 150k bail.  Cripes that’s pocket change for a number 1 draft pick.  

Edited November 5, 2021 by wjag

[Mr. WEO]

19 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

Sounds like he is/has been a heavy drinker for awhile. Some regular Joe social drinker falls off the stool way before pounding 18 drinks. He knew he was lit, but he thought, no problem, do it all the time. JMO. I think he was prolly in what they call a "brownout". What happens just before you blackout.

 

7-8 drinks gets a 200 lb guy to about .15

 

A brownout is what he had in his pants when they cuffed him.

[SCBills]

7 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said:

What exactly does Carr's faith have to do with anything?

Hes literally referenced his faith in how he’s addressed both situations. 

[Mr. WEO]

On 11/3/2021 at 11:14 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Emo and remorseful Derek Carr wishing there was something he could have done to prevent this

 

https://www.tmz.com/videos/2021-11-03-110321-derek-carr-1297615/

 

"Did I not let him know that I would be there for him at 3 am?"

 

I have to say that video with the raw emotion and regret in it (for something he had no personal part in) makes me think better of Derek Carr as a person and as a leader.

 

 

the waterworks are always ready to flow with Carr...

 

 

Mark Davis is pretty broken up too:

 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2021 by Mr. WEO

[Captain Hindsight]

31 minutes ago, wjag said:

The thing I can’t  wrap my head around is how you can get any car up to 156 mph on a city surface street.  So many obstacles. Lights, stop signs, cameras, parked cars, traffic, animals, curves, etc.  It’s insanely dangerous.  It’s literally suicidal. And now they let someone with so little regard for others lives (including his passenger) out on 150k bail.  Cripes that’s pocket change for a number 1 draft pick.  

I was reading about this because I had the same thought. 150k is more than enough for him to show up in court and the 4th amendment basically protects Ruggs from "Unreasonable seizures".  

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I was reading about this because I had the same thought. 150k is more than enough for him to show up in court and the 4th amendment basically protects Ruggs from "Unreasonable seizures".  

 

 

bail isn't a seizure, it's collateral.  

[Captain Hindsight]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

bail isn't a seizure, it's collateral.  

Just passing along what I'd read. I am not a lawyer 

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Just passing along what I'd read. I am not a lawyer 

 

If bail is denied, isn't that an unreasonable seizure of one's freedom? 

 

Bail is an enticement to show up to court.  A deposit that literally "buys" you your freedom.   

[StHustle]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 Of course you did:

 

"why didn't his GF step in and at least attempt to stop him (not "her") from getting behind the wheel in that state?"

 

As for blackout. it is a phenomenon of temporary memory/recollection loss which is described as an inability to recall events that happened while drinking---ata a later time, such as the next day. You incorrectly descibed "blackout" drunk as being a "brain dead feral creature"  which is inaccurate and also does not describe (by any witness or offiical account) Ruggs's state after the accident.  Just as he was able to find his car, start it, drive it successfully out of the drinking venue for some distance before crashing, he easily could have chosen to call a driver.  He chose not to.  Alcohol influenced both choices, no doubt.  But he was still making choices.  He wasn't a brain dead animal at that point.

 

 

 

You ever experienced being blacked out? A number of times, when I was in my early 20's I would get so wasted and wake up in my bed not remembering leaving the place I was drinking at. Car would usually be parked a little crooked but never any dings. I was blessed to never have gotten into an accident while driving blacked out. Hearing people talk about my actions while blacked out is me basically doing things instinctively. I know Buffalo roads like the back of my hand so I could easily still make my way home wasted. If I was out of town trying to go back to a hotel I woulda probably eneded up somewhere crazy or pulled a Chad Kelly (who clearly was blacked out when he entered a strangers home and sat down on their couch next to a resident)

 

I say all that to say you actually aren't able to make any sort of thoughtful decision while blacked out. And thats why you need to make the smart and responsible decision to not get blacked out in the first place...then you don't gotta worry about it. That's why their is absolutely no excuse for this sort of thing. Their was always a point where you were within the legal limit and you decided to keep drinking until you become so trashed you lose awareness of the decisions you make. Glad I grew up in time before anything bad happened that would have potentially ruined my entire future or the future of others.

[wjag]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

bail isn't a seizure, it's collateral.  

 

Agreed.  But he is accused of a felony.  Taking someone's life in an extremely reckless manner.  I would have thought bail would have been set much higher.  It's insulting to the Tintor family to know he could do this and only require the equivalent of a game check to get out of jail on bond.

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

You ever experienced being blacked out? A number of times, when I was in my early 20's I would get so wasted and wake up in my bed not remembering leaving the place I was drinking at. Car would usually be parked a little crooked but never any dings. I was blessed to never have gotten into an accident while driving blacked out. Hearing people talk about my actions while blacked out is me basically doing things instinctively. I know Buffalo roads like the back of my hand so I could easily still make my way home wasted. If I was out of town trying to go back to a hotel I woulda probably eneded up somewhere crazy or pulled a Chad Kelly (who clearly was blacked out when he entered a strangers home and sat down on their couch next to a resident)

 

I say all that to say you actually aren't able to make any sort of thoughtful decision while blacked out. And thats why you need to make the smart and responsible decision to not get blacked out in the first place...then you don't gotta worry about it. That's why their is absolutely no excuse for this sort of thing. Their was always a point where you were within the legal limit and you decided to keep drinking until you become so trashed you lose awareness of the decisions you make. Glad I grew up in time before anything bad happened that would have potentially ruined my entire future or the future of others.

 

a blackout is experienced in retrospect.  you don't walk around "blacked out".  It's a later failure to recall events that happened while previously intoxicated.

 

No one is arguing that his judgement was not impaired.   But every drunk settling up his tab at the bar and heading for his car has the ability to call a cab.  They simply feel they don't need one.  It's not that they are "too blacked out" to even  consider a ride service.

5 minutes ago, wjag said:

 

Agreed.  But he is accused of a felony.  Taking someone's life in an extremely reckless manner.  I would have thought bail would have been set much higher.  It's insulting to the Tintor family to know he could do this and only require the equivalent of a game check to get out of jail on bond.

 

DA wanted a million.

[SirAndrew]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

He said something after Gruden was fired/resigned to the effect of "love the person, hate the sin". Hence his comments about still wanting to be there for Ruggs

 

I may not fully agree with it, but I respect Carr's consistency 

Carr has been consistent, and I understand it from the standpoint of his faith. I’m also not big on him talking about love and saying, “if no one else will do it, I will”. I have no problem with Carr, he actually seems like a great dude, but that sort of thing just isn’t my style. I have a greater appreciation for a more humble style of exercising ones faith/principals. It comes as a statement proclaiming his excellent morality. I’m sure he didn’t mean it that way, and I like Carr, but that’s just not my preferred style. 

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

a blackout is experienced in retrospect.  you don't walk around "blacked out".  It's a later failure to recall events that happened while previously intoxicated.

 

No one is arguing that his judgement was not impaired.   But every drunk settling up his tab at the bar and heading for his car has the ability to call a cab.  They simply feel they don't need one.  It's not that they are "too blacked out" to even  consider a ride service.

 

DA wanted a million.

If I learned one thing from college, it’s the fact that no one actually understands what a “blackout” really is. 

Edited November 5, 2021 by SirAndrew

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

Sounds like he is/has been a heavy drinker for awhile. Some regular Joe social drinker falls off the stool way before pounding 18 drinks. He knew he was lit, but he thought, no problem, do it all the time. JMO. I think he was prolly in what they call a "brownout". What happens just before you blackout.

The Brownout is never fun to clean up after

[LeviF]

20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

If bail is denied, isn't that an unreasonable seizure of one's freedom? 

 

 

No, the reasonableness of denying bail is situation-dependent.

[Sherlock Holmes]

19 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

You ever experienced being blacked out? A number of times, when I was in my early 20's I would get so wasted and wake up in my bed not remembering leaving the place I was drinking at. Car would usually be parked a little crooked but never any dings. I was blessed to never have gotten into an accident while driving blacked out. Hearing people talk about my actions while blacked out is me basically doing things instinctively. I know Buffalo roads like the back of my hand so I could easily still make my way home wasted. If I was out of town trying to go back to a hotel I woulda probably eneded up somewhere crazy or pulled a Chad Kelly (who clearly was blacked out when he entered a strangers home and sat down on their couch next to a resident)

 

I say all that to say you actually aren't able to make any sort of thoughtful decision while blacked out. And thats why you need to make the smart and responsible decision to not get blacked out in the first place...then you don't gotta worry about it. That's why their is absolutely no excuse for this sort of thing. Their was always a point where you were within the legal limit and you decided to keep drinking until you become so trashed you lose awareness of the decisions you make. Glad I grew up in time before anything bad happened that would have potentially ruined my entire future or the future of others.

Tell us about the Brownouts please...

[TheBrownBear]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 Of course you did:

 

"why didn't his GF step in and at least attempt to stop him (not "her") from getting behind the wheel in that state?"

 

As for blackout. it is a phenomenon of temporary memory/recollection loss which is described as an inability to recall events that happened while drinking---ata a later time, such as the next day. You incorrectly descibed "blackout" drunk as being a "brain dead feral creature"  which is inaccurate and also does not describe (by any witness or offiical account) Ruggs's state after the accident.  Just as he was able to find his car, start it, drive it successfully out of the drinking venue for some distance before crashing, he easily could have chosen to call a driver.  He chose not to.  Alcohol influenced both choices, no doubt.  But he was still making choices.  He wasn't a brain dead animal at that point.

 

 

Obviously, the overwhelming responsibility for the act rests on Ruggs' shoulders.  I said in earlier posts that he should go to jail for 10 years minimum.  I have lost family members to drunk drivers and have no sympathy for the guy given his actions.  I never once tried to blame the whole thing on his girlfriend.  I merely raised the question as to her culpability in allowing him to drive in his clearly, seriously drunken state (.16 at blood draw, likely .19-.20 when he got behind the wheel - https://super.stanford.edu/alcohol-drug-info/buzz-buzz/what-bac; and you can play semantics games with me all you want, but all literature points to an individual in that state having severely impaired judgement and being a potential danger to themselves and others).  I ask that question because an innocent person was senselessly killed.  The mere fact that Ruggs' partner was in the car at the time of the accident begs the question of "why", especially since I think we all agree, or at least I hope we do, that we would not let a friend or family member behind the wheel of a car in that state.  In my mind that leaves just a few possibilities: (a) she was either mentally or physically intimidated by Ruggs such that she feared for her physical (or financial) safety if she interfered/disagreed with him; (b) she herself was too drunk to intervene or understand the severity of the situation; or (c) she just DGAF.  

 

Anyhow, I find it odd that some of you find the fact of raising that question so offensive.