Josh Allen 2022 season verdict... OC & DC let him down: 64.5% comp %, 51 TDs, 18 TOs, 97.9 Passer Rating, 313 YPG (offseason assessments page 46 on)

[transplantbillsfan]

 

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by transplantbillsfan

[SoTier]

On 1/10/2022 at 10:10 AM, Albany,n.y. said:

This is Kelly/Marino all over again.  Marino put up numbers in Miami that would have been impossible in Buffalo's weather.  

 

This season was one of the worst wind/bad weather seasons that I can remember.  Also the O line was a mess for most of the season.  Josh's numbers on paper suffered but on the field he was great.  

 

 

 

I agree.  I think Allen's decision making has improved over the season, especially in the last 4-6 weeks.   He's successfully mastered his natural inclination to be a gunslinger which is a really hard thing to do.   Most NFL QBs, even great ones like Brett Favre, can't/couldn't do this.

[Son of a K-Gun]

The Allen stats continue to amaze, but perhaps more important is the Allen eye test.  Anyone who watches him comes away with their jaw on the floor.  You can't appreciate his play properly from watching the highlights, you need to see the body of work and the way he shapes every game he plays in.

 

Back to the MVP conversation...seems a foregone conclusion that it's going to be Rodgers.  I just don't know how voters can look at what Rodgers accomplished this season and objectively say it was better than what Tom Brady did.  Brady threw for 1200 more yards than Rodgers, just think about that for a minute...that's FOUR 300 yard games better than Rodgers.  The only big plus in Rodgers' column is his 4 INT's to Brady's 12...keeping in mind that Brady had 188 more passing attempts, and 5 of Brady's INT's were off of drops and Hail Mary's.

 

I was already thinking that Brady was the better choice over Rodgers and then I saw this article from Dov Kleiman and it beautifully laid out what I had been thinking...good read for anyone interested.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/the-case-for-tom-brady-to-win-2021-nfl-mvp

 

Now I need to shower having just backed Tom Brady...eww.

[FireChans]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

https://twitter.com/KevinColePFF/status/1483069273803264003?t=iAdTlLAsTQDV8wR_eNgLpg&s=19

That rushing yard stat is SO BAD. Comparing Josh to multiple players with one or two less games than him. Apples to orangutans. Ho hum.

[section122]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That rushing yard stat is SO BAD. Comparing Josh to multiple players with one or two less games than him. Apples to orangutans. Ho hum.

 

Why aren't you looking at attempts?  He has 25 less attempts than the next closest guy.  Who cares how many games they played? 

[billsfan1959]

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That rushing yard stat is SO BAD. Comparing Josh to multiple players with one or two less games than him. Apples to orangutans. Ho hum.

 

The one rushing stat I do like is that over the last seven games of the year, the Bills had the best rushing DVOA in the NFL. 

[DCofNC]

I don’t think Josh has a snowballs chance in hell of MVP this year with the statistical regression along with more losses, all of which can essentially be put in his lack of performance in the last minutes.  
 

That said, IDGAF about any of that.  If we get the QB that’s been playing the last few weeks, through these playoffs, there’s a chance finally win the SB.   To me, this week is the biggest hurdle.  KC is still the AFC champ until de-throned, gotta go to their house and take it from them.  The early season win means nothing now, their early season struggles mean nothing now, you have to go throw down in the playoffs and come out with the win.   If they can get it done, I like the chances against either of the Bengals or the Titans.  They should have curb stomped the Titans this season and the D couldn’t hold up, the Bengals are very good, but beatable for sure.

[FireChans]

23 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

Why aren't you looking at attempts?  He has 25 less attempts than the next closest guy.  Who cares how many games they played? 

Because attempts is directly correlated to games played? 
 

Does Josh Allen have more rushing yards since week 13 than Nick Chubb if they played the same amount of games? No. Dumb stat.

[billsfan1959]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Because attempts is directly correlated to games played? 
 

Does Josh Allen have more rushing yards since week 13 than Nick Chubb if they played the same amount of games? No. Dumb stat.

 

The point of the stat is to show how much of a factor Allen has been in the rushing game over the last 5 weeks or so. While I know his rushing hasn't "transformed the offense" like your boy, Matt Breida 🤣🤣🤣, he has been a big factor in the uptick in the running game during that time...

Edited January 18, 2022 by billsfan1959

[FireChans]

5 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

The point of the stat is to show how much of a factor Allen has been in the rushing game over the last 5 weeks or so. While I know his rushing hasn't "transformed the offense" like your boy, Matt Breida 🤣🤣🤣, he has been a big factor in the uptick in the running game during that time...

You seem extremely gleeful that Matt Breida turned out to be a non-factor, are you rooting for the Bills or the Chiefs next weekend?

[billsfan1959]

15 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You seem extremely gleeful that Matt Breida turned out to be a non-factor, are you rooting for the Bills or the Chiefs next weekend?

 

Not gleeful at all. Nice try. Just pointing out how you probably shouldn't criticize others for silly statements. You know, that whole, "people who live in glass houses..." thing...

 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Not gleeful at all. Nice try. Just pointing out how you probably shouldn't criticize others for silly statements. You know, that whole, "people who live in glass houses..." thing...

 

 

6 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

The point of the stat is to show how much of a factor Allen has been in the rushing game over the last 5 weeks or so. While I know his rushing hasn't "transformed the offense" like your boy, Matt Breida 🤣🤣🤣, he has been a big factor in the uptick in the running game during that time...

Sure bro.  Really don't hope that Breida costs us the Chiefs game.  TBD may shut down with how many emojis you'll post being pumped about it!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

He had a perfect game

 

WHAT MORE CAN YOU WANT?

 

There is nothing left to prove 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 1/6/2022 at 8:15 AM, billsfan1959 said:

 

I think recency bias is an honest argument, just as I believe there are other honest arguments why Allen will not be in the running for the MVP. IMO, there is one primary reason Allen isn't in the running for MVP and that is the 0-5 record in close games.

 

If you look at the top 9 QBs this year, every one of them has at least 2 game winning drives - except Allen. Allen has 0 4th quarter comebacks and 0 GWD. Of 28 QBs with at least 11 starts, he is 1 of only 4 who do not have at least 1 GWD (Wentz, Mayfield, and Wilson being the others).

 

Compare that with what he did in his previous 3 years.

 

 

 

If Allen pulls out just two of them, Tenn and TB (where he was in a great position to do so), and, right now, he would have 2 4QC and 2 GWD, the Bills would have a 12-4 record, they would have won the AFC East, and own the #1 Seed. Even with the performance in the Atlanta game, I believe he would be in the running for MVP. 

 

But he didn't. I'm not saying that the failure to win those close games is all on Allen. What I am saying is that it is a legitimate argument to say that an MVP QB should be able to win some of those close games.

 

As I have stated before, I couldn't care less about the MVP award, I don't believe there is a player in the NFL that is more valuable to his team, I don't believe that there is a player that any team puts more pressure on to perform at a high level every game than Allen, and IMO, he is absolutely in the conversation about the best QB in the NFL. I love Allen and I wouldn't trade him for any QB.

 

I'm just offering what, IMO, is the best argument for why he is not in the discussion for MVP.

 

It will all be moot when he is holding up the Lombardi Trophy...

 

I mean it’s hard to hold it against Allen that he is so good that we blow everyone out…and in most of those close losses he was sensational and the only reason the game was close.   That second half against the bucs he was otherworldly it’s a crime against humanity diggs didn’t get that call in the end zone for the game winner.  

[billsfan1959]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

Sure bro.  Really don't hope that Breida costs us the Chiefs game.  TBD may shut down with how many emojis you'll post being pumped about it!

 

Touch a nerve, did I?

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

He had a perfect game

 

WHAT MORE CAN YOU WANT?

 

There is nothing left to prove 

 

 

Josh finally proved that jerk wrong.

[Patrick Duffy]

10 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

He had a perfect game

 

WHAT MORE CAN YOU WANT?

 

There is nothing left to prove 

 

 

 

Just "arm arrogance"!! 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Finshed with a completion percentage below 65%.

 

Too many TO's, not enough passing yards.

 

Could not pull out ANY of the close games, not clutch enough.

 

Overall didn't regress as much as I expected.

 

Rodgers gets MVP because he's the only top QB who wasn't a TO machine.

 

 

i missed you gene1973.  

 

 

correction...i missed us.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, teef said:

i missed you gene1973.  

 

 

correction...i missed us.

 

He's older since the last time you chatted with him.....means he probably got more negative.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Touch a nerve, did I?

When do men officially age out of bro? 
 

I’m thinking you’re Grand-bro at a minimum.  😎

[JGMcD2]

32 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Finshed with a completion percentage below 65%.

 

Too many TO's, not enough passing yards.

 

Could not pull out ANY of the close games, not clutch enough.

 

Overall didn't regress as much as I expected.

 

Rodgers gets MVP because he's the only top QB who wasn't a TO machine.

 

 

Completion percentage... I wanted to stop reading there.

I wish I did 🤦‍♂️

[teef]

34 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He's older since the last time you chatted with him.....means he probably got more negative.  

age is not just a number for gene...it's also a level of anger.

[Magox]

8 hours ago, FireChans said:

Because attempts is directly correlated to games played? 
 

Does Josh Allen have more rushing yards since week 13 than Nick Chubb if they played the same amount of games? No. Dumb stat.

You are stuck in the bushes worrying about the minutiae of the stat itself.

 

Forget about the headline, the point is that this two-headed monster of Singletary and Allen have been one of the best and most effective running attacks since their newfound ground game.  They are getting lots of yards, converting short third downs, have a high yard pc and getting into the end zone at a ridiculously high rate and it’s largely because of the ground game.   
 

This is a big reason why Buffalo is looking so dangerous.
 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Anyone else view this as a squandered season? I get it... I was happy to be in the playoffs... but I think we're beyond that point.

 

I absolutely cannot forgive Daboll for some of his playcalling, even if he believes he's doing it to set up plays like that 75 yarder to Davis. Handing the ball off 3 times in a row and then punting against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs in a game where each team only completed one possession by the end of the 1st quarter is unacceptable.

 

I know the grass isn't always greener on the other side, but I hope Daboll and Frazier get HC jobs. I believe they're the ones most responsible for squandering a year we coulda/shoulda/woulda won a Lombardi.

 

And our Winter Soldier is another year older next season.

[transplantbillsfan]

 

 

[Scott7975]

***** this was our year.  We had the game in the bag.  Josh Allen was the best player on the field and with 13 seconds we ***** lose.  There is no excuse for the defensive play calling.  Its all on the coaches.  As much as I dislike Daboll, this was completely on whoever called that D on the last 2 drives and OT.  Can't stop the Chiefs like they couldn't stop us but 13 seconds should be game over for anyone.

 

I firmly believe Josh Allen will bring this city a Super Bowl but it should have been this year.  This hurts way more than last year.  Frazier needs to see the door and McDermott/Beane need to rethink this 8 man rotation.  Spend the money on a playmaker not 8 guys resting their legs.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Scott7975

[Aussie Joe]

He was so close to MVP

[transplantbillsfan]

44 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

***** this was our year.  We had the game in the bag.  Josh Allen was the best player on the field and with 13 seconds we ***** lose.  There is no excuse for the defensive play calling.  Its all on the coaches.  As much as I dislike Daboll, this was completely on whoever called that D on the last 2 drives and OT.  Can't stop the Chiefs like they couldn't stop us but 13 seconds should be game over for anyone.

 

I firmly believe Josh Allen will bring this city a Super Bowl but it should have been this year.  This hurts way more than last year.  Frazier needs to see the door and McDermott/Beane need to rethink this 8 man rotation.  Spend the money on a playmaker not 8 guys resting their legs.

 

I feel the same way. Feels like a wasted season even though out future still looks so bright.

 

I still firmly believe Allen gets Buffalo multiple Super Bowls, not just one. But with the way he's been playing, this year probably should have been his first.

[Scott7975]

31 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

The offense needs to become more consistent. One good sign is that Allen stepped it up bigtime in this years playoff's compared to last years.

 

However, it seems like the Bills have a coaching staff that will waste Allens' prime years and the owners are clueless to do anything about it before it's too late.

 

Ive always felt Allen was good.  Last year I felt like he was MVP.  This year in the post season and even some games in the regular season I felt like it clicked in Allen and he just made the next level.  Like a level beyond the level.  Like one of the best this league has ever seen level.

 

Ive had about 4 hours sleep and I'm still not over this 13 seconds defensive collapse *****.  However, I feel like I just watched the super bowl and I don't think I have ever seen a better offensive game in my life and I have been watching for 40 years.  

 

Allen was the best player on the field.  Yeah yeah Mahomes won them the game in 13 seconds in the worlds view but in my view he didn't.  McDermott/Frazier won KC that game.  Mahomes just made a couple easy pitch and catch passes to wide open guys that ran all over the field. Ive never seen a 13 second collapse like that.  When your QB gives you the go ahead score for the second time in the game and this time with only 13 seconds left, you don't let that dude down like that.

 

This team needs to replace Beasley next year with a guy that can get some YAC.  That is the dimension our offense lacks.  Half of Mahomes passing yards are from YAC.  Almost all of Allens passing yards are air yards.  Its a huge ***** difference.  I like Beasley and it has nothing to do with the covid *****.  I couldn't care less about his choice.  He has lost a step.  Need a burner that can do better.

[UKBillFan]

Overall, I’d say the regular season for Josh personally was good but not good enough. In the play offs he was lights out.

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[WNYFAN1]

On 1/24/2022 at 7:08 AM, UKBillFan said:

Overall, I’d say the regular season for Josh personally was good but not good enough. In the play offs he was lights out.

Agreed. He took a step back in the 2021 regular season relative to 2020. But excellent in the two playoff games.

[Warcodered]

 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

19 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Agreed. He took a step back in the 2021 regular season relative to 2020. But excellent in the two playoff games.

 

When it mattered most.

[Warcodered]

 

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

Just another metric that shows Allen had a tremendous season and not a “ step back”. His numbers were excellent and while the Bills offense as a whole was different ( it had to be given what teams were doing to defend it) Allen adjusted and found other ways to beat defenses. He may have been even more valuable this year than last. Anyway, Allen has reached a place where he doesn’t take “ steps back” any more than Mahomes did in weeks 1-7. Elite QBs can still  have a rough patch where they might not play to their own standard but a term like step back is to imply that he hasn’t reached elite status and might never do so. Pretty sure that notion has been debunked. 

[RaoulDuke79]

#17 is the best player the Bills have had in a long while and possibly ever. Time will tell. It's a damn travesty to see how he he put his body and everything else he had on the line to bring the team back twice, only to have the defense and coaching staff piss it away. I'm still seething. Baring injury, I never felt so bad for a player. 

[CincyBillsFan]

58 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Just another metric that shows Allen had a tremendous season and not a “ step back”. His numbers were excellent and while the Bills offense as a whole was different ( it had to be given what teams were doing to defend it) Allen adjusted and found other ways to beat defenses. He may have been even more valuable this year than last. Anyway, Allen has reached a place where he doesn’t take “ steps back” any more than Mahomes did in weeks 1-7. Elite QBs can still  have a rough patch where they might not play to their own standard but a term like step back is to imply that he hasn’t reached elite status and might never do so. Pretty sure that notion has been debunked. 

I agree.  The talk that Allen took a step back this season is nonsense.  You could point to the much worse weather conditions he played in this year as the main reason for the slight drop in his numbers.  And in the three most important games of the season: 2nd NE game and the NE & KC playoff games, Allen was spectacular.  Those high pressure, big time game performances demonstrated to me that Allen actually played better this season then last season - especially when it counted most.

 

 

[WNYFAN1]

13 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree.  The talk that Allen took a step back this season is nonsense.  You could point to the much worse weather conditions he played in this year as the main reason for the slight drop in his numbers.  And in the three most important games of the season: 2nd NE game and the NE & KC playoff games, Allen was spectacular.  Those high pressure, big time game performances demonstrated to me that Allen actually played better this season then last season - especially when it counted most.

 

 

Disagree. During the entirety of the regular season it was absolutely a step back compared with the 2020 regular season. He was a legit MVP candidate in 2020 and received votes. He dropped off in nearly every metric in 2021 and, unsurprisingly, the Bills regular season record was significantly worse than 2020.

 

2020 - 4,544 yrds, 7.9avg, 69.2% completion, 37 td, 10 int, 76.6 QBR, 107.2 RT

 

2021- 4,407 yrds, 6.8avg, 63.3% completion, 36 td, 15 int, 60.6 QBR, 92.2 RT

 

The numbers don't lie.

 

Amazing postseason performance and something to build on. That being said, a better regular season performance (obviously not just him), and this team is home for the entirety of the playoffs.

[cisco2403]

9 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Disagree. During the entirety of the regular season it was absolutely a step back compared with the 2020 regular season. He was a legit MVP candidate in 2020 and received votes. He dropped off in nearly every metric in 2021 and, unsurprisingly, the Bills regular season record was significantly worse than 2020.

 

2020 - 4,544 yrds, 7.9avg, 69.2% completion, 37 td, 10 int, 76.6 QBR, 107.2 RT

 

2021- 4,407 yrds, 6.8avg, 63.3% completion, 36 td, 15 int, 60.6 QBR, 92.2 RT

 

The numbers don't lie.

 

Amazing postseason performance and something to build on. That being said, a better regular season performance (obviously not just him), and this team is home for the entirety of the playoffs.

You are only looking at numbers but not looking at the context behind those numbers. The numbers may show that Josh took a step back but IMO he actually didn't. He played in multiple bad weather/windy games and the offensive live was not nearly as good in 2021 as it was in 2020. 

 

Josh's postseason was not just amazing, it was one for the ages. Its an extreme shame that he isn't playing this weekend to go to the Super Bowl. I think something clicked even more for Josh in the playoffs and we are seeing him playing at even a higher level. Next season, the NFL may see something from Josh that they won't be prepared for.