Josh Allen 2022 season verdict... OC & DC let him down: 64.5% comp %, 51 TDs, 18 TOs, 97.9 Passer Rating, 313 YPG (offseason assessments page 46 on)

[Big Blitz]

23 minutes ago, Process said:

He also has one of the most stacked offenses in the league around him. 

 

The MVP is clearly Rodgers. And I don't think it's even close.

 

 

Yep.  Colts loss today drops Taylor for me.

 

Updated:

 

Rodgers

Allen

Kupp

Taylor 

Brady 

 

Burrow has at least entered the chat

 

 

He threw 3 picks today (1 of which was bad the other 2 were deflections) but he was 90 yards and 2 TDs on the ground - again everything the Bills do goes threw him no one player means more to his team right now then Allen except for Rodgers.  

 

And I won't use the excuse that weather in almost all his home games has had impacts on games nope not going to do it its happened but I'm not going to bother including today not optimal but I'm not going to even mention it.  

[Bangarang]

I absolutely believe he will be an MVP one year but too many things went against him this year for it to happen. 
 

Get him some consistent protection and cut down on the INTs and he’ll be a legit contender. 

[BruceVilanch]

I bet if he doesn't have to play half his games in terrible weather he wins it next year

[transplantbillsfan]

Here's what Josh said as part of this clip below: "I feel like the kid who got an A today and did nothing on the group project."

 

Honestly today I thought Allen still played really well outside that 1st Interception. I don't think the other 2 were his fault as 1 ball was tipped and Beasley got knocked off his route on the other. 

 

Lots of dropped passes today including at least 1 TD uncharacteristically by Diggs.

 

I don't think any of us really care much about this if he can perform in the postseason and get us a Lombardi. That's pretty much been my point of keeping this thread alive.

 

Our Super Bowl hopes still lay on the shoulders of Josh Allen. But it's a darn good thing we're trying to at least lift some of that weight with the threat of a running game.

 

Edited January 2, 2022 by transplantbillsfan

[Warcodered]

44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Yea the Allen candidacy is over now. Oh well. He still won us the game today. 

It's a shame but get him some more help on the line/running the ball and maybe he'll get it next year.

[GunnerBill]

I think the third INT was his worst one. The first was a bad decision, the 2nd I think Beas was at least partly to blame but the third one he looked right at the guy who got the tip and just threw it straight at him. That deserved intercepting. Horrible throw. 

 

The best thing about Josh is what you see in that interview though. Josh Allen doesn't make excuses for himself. He owns his mistakes 100% and wants to be held accountable for them. They are guys you can win with. If you have 53 guys like that you got a winning football team. 

[FireChans]

17 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Yep.  Colts loss today drops Taylor for me.

 

Updated:

 

Rodgers

Allen

Kupp

Taylor 

Brady 

 

Burrow has at least entered the chat

 

 

He threw 3 picks today (1 of which was bad the other 2 were deflections) but he was 90 yards and 2 TDs on the ground - again everything the Bills do goes threw him no one player means more to his team right now then Allen except for Rodgers.  

 

And I won't use the excuse that weather in almost all his home games has had impacts on games nope not going to do it its happened but I'm not going to bother including today not optimal but I'm not going to even mention it.  

Burrow may be top 3 in voting by recency bias alone. 
 

-wins division storyline

-900 yards and 9 TD’s in last two games

-beats division rival and #1 seed in back to back weeks.

 

I wouldn’t bet on Burrow but there’s no way his odds don’t skyrocket 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Burrow may be top 3 in voting by recency bias alone. 
 

-wins division storyline

-900 yards and 9 TD’s in last two games

-beats division rival and #1 seed in back to back weeks.

 

I wouldn’t bet on Burrow but there’s no way his odds don’t skyrocket 

 

Chase and Higgins.... wow. They got the best receiver out of this class and Higgins is at worst the 3rd best out of that previous class (Jefferson #1 then close between Lamb and Higgins). 

[FireChans]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Chase and Higgins.... wow. They got the best receiver out of this class and Higgins is at worst the 3rd best out of that previous class (Jefferson #1 then close between Lamb and Higgins). 

I hated Tee Higgins when he was mocked to us that year (by you and everyone else.)

 

Thought he was a James Hardy clone that would struggle to separate at the NFL level.

 

whoops

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I hated Tee Higgins when he was mocked to us that year (by you and everyone else.)

 

Thought he was a James Hardy clone that would struggle to separate at the NFL level.

 

whoops

 

I liked Higgins. After the three big names a the top of that class - Lamb (who has been good), Jeudy (who has been perma hurt) and Ruggs (who is done for obvious reasons) I had Higgins as my #4. I am not perfect on that class though because I didn't like Jefferson as an outside prospect. I had him as a 2nd rounder who would be a big slot only. So equal whoops there. 

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Let this dream die.

Agreed. He played poorly today. At home against a bad opponent and did not show up. The MVP s*** can stop along with this thread.

44 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Here's what Josh said as part of this clip below: "I feel like the kid who got an A today and did nothing on the group project."

 

Honestly today I thought Allen still played really well outside that 1st Interception. I don't think the other 2 were his fault as 1 ball was tipped and Beasley got knocked off his route on the other. 

 

Lots of dropped passes today including at least 1 TD uncharacteristically by Diggs.

 

I don't think any of us really care much about this if he can perform in the postseason and get us a Lombardi. That's pretty much been my point of keeping this thread alive.

 

Our Super Bowl hopes still lay on the shoulders of Josh Allen. But it's a darn good thing we're trying to at least lift some of that weight with the threat of a running game.

 

Dude I’ve tried to defend you but no. He did not “play really good.” He made good plays (mostly with his feet) but the defense won the game again today. You’re just a JA suck artist. Do you even like the team? Or just another JA stan stinking up the board.

Edited January 2, 2022 by JoPoy88

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Agreed. He played poorly today. At home against a bad opponent and did not show up. The MVP s*** can stop along with this thread.

Dude I’ve tried to defend you but no. He did not “play really good.” He made good plays (mostly with his feet) but the defense won the game again today. You’re just a JA suck artist. So you even like the team?

Don’t be mean to transplant, he just loves Bills QB’s. He used to talk about how quietly spectacular Tyrod was going 17-26 for 150 yards in a loss. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Dude I’ve tried to defend you but no. He did not “play really good.” He made good plays (mostly with his feet) but the defense won the game again today. You’re just a JA suck artist. So you even like the team?

 

He was the same with Tyrod and I suspect on BBMB he was the same with EJ and JP and Trent and the rest of em. 

[JoPoy88]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He was the same with Tyrod and I suspect on BBMB he was the same with EJ and JP and Trent and the rest of em. 

Yeah I agree Gunn I can’t anymore with this guy. It’s always someone else’s fault. I was at the game 2 of those 3 picks were inexcusable. Against a horrible opponent. 

 

18 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Don’t be mean to transplant, he just loves Bills QB’s. He used to talk about how quietly spectacular Tyrod was going 17-26 for 150 yards in a loss. 

Well that tells us all we really need to know. In all honesty he’s right about Allen for the most part I just can’t truck, “he’s the MVP, any negatives are not his fault, the MEDIA is out to get him”

silly szn.

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Yeah I agree Gunn I can’t anymore with this guy. It’s always someone else’s fault. I was at the game 2 of those 3 picks were inexcusable. Against a horrible opponent. 

 

Well that tells us all we really need to know. In all honesty he’s right about Allen for the most part I just can’t truck, “he’s the MVP, any negatives are not his fault, the MEDIA is out to get him”

silly szn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Transplant and loving a Bills QB to the point of insanity is a TBD tradition, like T Master's stream of consciousness posting, ScottLaw's need to be negative, BADOL dunking on Shady and Edmunds, and GunnerBill hating prototypical QB draft prospects lol.

[BigDingus]

Just thought about this (maybe they said it during the game & I missed it), but did Allen's streak of no turnovers in the redzone end today? 

[Matt_In_NH]

This is dead....and frankly has been a long shot for quite some time.   18 turnovers....6 losses....no close wins.  Maybe another year....this is the year for the SB, its ok.  If you won the Tenn game late, won the Bucs game in OT, maybe you could have a discussion.

Edited January 2, 2022 by mattynh

[HappyDays]

On one hand Allen needs to clean up the interceptions, on the other hand his most incredible throws come on the same plays that the interceptions do. I guess it comes down to understanding the game you're in. When winning against a vastly inferior opponent we don't need a miracle TD pass back across your body to Diggs, so just throw that one away. It's a tougher balance than it seems though.

[HalftimeAdjustment]

33 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Just thought about this (maybe they said it during the game & I missed it), but did Allen's streak of no turnovers in the redzone end today? 

 

It ended a couple of games ago with a redzone INT. This was icing on the cake.

[Dr.Sack]

Sloppy with the football. This year it seems like Allen plays careless with the football against teams he knows he can afford to. 

[Seventeen]

40 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

On one hand Allen needs to clean up the interceptions, on the other hand his most incredible throws come on the same plays that the interceptions do. I guess it comes down to understanding the game you're in. When winning against a vastly inferior opponent we don't need a miracle TD pass back across your body to Diggs, so just throw that one away. It's a tougher balance than it seems though.

 

Hard to clean up interceptions on tipped balls - my complaints are twofold - not taking a little off throws at time and still trying to make the hero pass when throwing it away is the better option.

[CincyBillsFan]

Did I see right? Allen has at least 40 TD's for the 2nd year in a row?  Not bad. Maybe the negative Nancy's ought to take a hike.

 

 

[UKBillFan]

22 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Did I see right? Allen has at least 40 TD's for the 2nd year in a row?  Not bad. Maybe the negative Nancy's ought to take a hike.

 

 

 

The thread title is right - too Jekyl and Hyde. The best QB in the league at his best but far too inconsistent. His passing today was horrendous; three INTs at home to the Falcons and regressing back to forcing the ball rather than taking what the defense gave him, which is what he seemed to finally adapt to in the second half vs the Bucs and the following week against the Pats.

 

He was great on the ground today but franchises do not sign a RB for $258m. His heart and toughness got us pass what was a poor team but a performance like that in the Play Offs and we're out. A performance like the second half at the Bucs or at the Pats? Then we have a chance of the Super Bowl.

[JGMcD2]

Literally the most overrated player in all sports. I hate Josh Allen. He doesn’t deserve to be the NVP let alone the MVP. 

 

I’m going to put him down at every chance I get because I have absolutely unrealistic expectations!!!!!! 
 

Did I do it right? 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

Literally the most overrated player in all sports. I hate Josh Allen. He doesn’t deserve to be the NVP let alone the MVP. 

 

I’m going to put him down at every chance I get because I have absolutely unrealistic expectations!!!!!! 
 

Did I do it right? 

If you were trying to make a ridiculous strawman, then yes.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

It’s been a crazy year. 
 

Allen was doing everything right in this game until he wasn’t. His athelitic ability alone helped get us a W but those INTs helped to make the game much closer than it should have been. After the first quarter it was looking like Allen was on his way to a 4 or 5 TD game and he actually would be a legitimate candidate.

 

Now I’m thinking Joe Burrow maybe? Could be a really strange year where 4-5 guys all get like 4 or 5+ votes.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

The thread title is right - too Jekyl and Hyde. The best QB in the league at his best but far too inconsistent. His passing today was horrendous; three INTs at home to the Falcons and regressing back to forcing the ball rather than taking what the defense gave him, which is what he seemed to finally adapt to in the second half vs the Bucs and the following week against the Pats.

 

He was great on the ground today but franchises do not sign a RB for $258m. His heart and toughness got us pass what was a poor team but a performance like that in the Play Offs and we're out. A performance like the second half at the Bucs or at the Pats? Then we have a chance of the Super Bowl.

I could care less about the MVP all that matters is that the Bills made the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row, got to 10 wins for the 3rd year in a row and are on the cusp of winning the East for the 2nd year in a row.  As someone who lived through the 18 year playoff drought, which was marked by inconsistent and mostly horrific QB performances year in and year out, Allen has been the best thing to happen to the Bills.

 

Sure Allen was inconsistent in his passing today but weather was a big factor in this.  And for the record he was not "horrific".  He made some outstanding throws converting 3rd down.  Stats don't always paint a true picture - particularly QB stats.

 

Franchises sign QB's to 258 million dollar contracts to do what it takes to win football games. Sometimes that means throwing for 350 yards and 4 TD's.  Other times it means rushing for 80 yards and 2 TD's while executing the read option running game at a high level.  Allen has proven over & over again that he can do both.  This is why he's an elite level QB worth EVERY dime of his 258 million dollar contract.

 

And for the record, Lamar Jackson is about to get a very similar contract and his game relies on the run more then the pass. Even the best QB's can have bad stretches in a game and Allen had one. But elite QB's bounce back and lead their team to victory.  Allen had two long, time consuming TD drives that erased a 15 - 14  deficit and put the Bulls up 29 - 15.  There is nothing "horrific" about that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

On one hand Allen needs to clean up the interceptions, on the other hand his most incredible throws come on the same plays that the interceptions do. I guess it comes down to understanding the game you're in. When winning against a vastly inferior opponent we don't need a miracle TD pass back across your body to Diggs, so just throw that one away. It's a tougher balance than it seems though.

 

His first INT was a bad play. He was trying to force the pass and was tipped into the hands of another defender...He instead could have run it and got 5-6 yards out of the play. 

His second INT was simply a timing route that misfired.  Beasley was jammed (very late in the route) and the ball had already left Josh's hands.  Can't do much about it.

The third INT was also a timing route that did not materialize.  

 

Today ti almost felt like Josh was destined have a bad game...The first 2-3 drives had so many drops....Diggs missing that easy TD. 

 

Overall a poor game for passing...but the guy was all guts to get hammered on all those runs.   

[BuffaloRebound]

He’s sometimes a victim of his almost unlimited potential.  Still gotta learn what the game situation calls for.  There was no reason to ever put the ball in harms way in that game. No turnovers and that game would’ve been over by the middle of the 2nd quarter.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

The third INT was also a timing route that did not materialize.  

 

 

The third INT was also tipped. At the line or closer to it. 

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I could care less about the MVP all that matters is that the Bills made the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row, got to 10 wins for the 3rd year in a row and are on the cusp of winning the East for the 2nd year in a row.  As someone who lived through the 18 year playoff drought, which was marked by inconsistent and mostly horrific QB performances year in and year out, Allen has been the best thing to happen to the Bills.

 

Sure Allen was inconsistent in his passing today but weather was a big factor in this.  And for the record he was not "horrific".  He made some outstanding throws converting 3rd down.  Stats don't always paint a true picture - particularly QB stats.

 

Franchises sign QB's to 258 million dollar contracts to do what it takes to win football games. Sometimes that means throwing for 350 yards and 4 TD's.  Other times it means rushing for 80 yards and 2 TD's while executing the read option running game at a high level.  Allen has proven over & over again that he can do both.  This is why he's an elite level QB worth EVERY dime of his 258 million dollar contract.

 

And for the record, Lamar Jackson is about to get a very similar contract and his game relies on the run more then the pass. Even the best QB's can have bad stretches in a game and Allen had one. But elite QB's bounce back and lead their team to victory.  Allen had two long, time consuming TD drives that erased a 15 - 14  deficit and put the Bulls up 29 - 15.  There is nothing "horrific" about that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for replying rather than simply reacting.

 

I guess a huge positive today, reading your post and thinking about it, is Josh and Daboll adapted the game (admittedly, they were given a chance to adapt) to pull clear. I think, previously, Josh would have become glazed over, started panicking, forced the ball more, and possibly falling apart completely after the three INTs. Today, there was a reset and we were able to pull away. The existence of a running game helped with this but Josh was a massive part of that too.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

Just thought about this (maybe they said it during the game & I missed it), but did Allen's streak of no turnovers in the redzone end today? 

 

No it was his second INT in the red zone.  I forgot which game was the first but it also happened this year.

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

No it was his second INT in the red zone.  I forgot which game was the first but it also happened this year.

 

Want to say Colts but could be wrong.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Diggs missing that easy TD? You mean the one Josh fired at him 100 mph? 

 

It was just as fast as the TD pass to Diggs last week. There were a few drops in the 1st quarter, I'm sure the cold made it harder than usual to catch Allen's heaters. But yes if it hits you right in your hands you have to catch it.

[JGMcD2]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

No it was his second INT in the red zone.  I forgot which game was the first but it also happened this year.

Saints. Arm was hit on the throw. 

[Scott7975]

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

Saints. Arm was hit on the throw. 

 

Think that's right.  I remember the arm hit causing it.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Thanks for replying rather than simply reacting.

 

I guess a huge positive today, reading your post and thinking about it, is Josh and Daboll adapted the game (admittedly, they were given a chance to adapt) to pull clear. I think, previously, Josh would have become glazed over, started panicking, forced the ball more, and possibly falling apart completely after the three INTs. Today, there was a reset and we were able to pull away. The existence of a running game helped with this but Josh was a massive part of that too.

And the Bills ran the read option and audibled into the run side at the LOS so even when not carrying the ball Alan did his best impersonation of Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore running game during those last 3 drives.  If the Bills face another terrible weather game they may want to try this right from the get go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Diggs missing that easy TD? You mean the one Josh fired at him 100 mph? 
 

Josh had a ***** day through the air but he willed the team to victory as usual.

I get your point, But the ball hit him in the hands; gloves with the tackiest of material.  Maybe catch the ball!  He’s caught plenty of Allen’s heaters.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

And the Bills ran the read option and audibled into the run side at the LOS so even when not carrying the ball Alan did his best impersonation of Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore running game during those last 3 drives.  If the Bills face another terrible weather game they may want to try this right from the get go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is what I'd love to see - the learning and adaption. Considering what happened at home to the Pats, and then the subsequent amendments from the second half against the Bucs through the trip to Foxboro, it seemed odd that our offense in the first half seemed be going away from what had worked before. I get it's important to switch things up and become unpredictable but, in turn, we harmed ourselves. Second half, with more use of the run game, worked much better.

[BigDingus]

53 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

No it was his second INT in the red zone.  I forgot which game was the first but it also happened this year.

 

Oh, that's a bummer! I must've missed that  

 

Ah well, it was a good run & still impressive. Thanks for the response.