Bills have the ninth oldest roster

[BillsFan619]

According to the Buffalo News, the Bills have the ninth oldest roster. I wouldn't have thought this because they seem like a young team. When you think of the faces of the franchise, it's a little surprising that the Bills are one of the older rosters.

 

The oldest roster was not surprising. It was the Bucs.

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-have-ninth-oldest-roster-in-nfl-tampa-bay-is-the-oldest/article_e206975c-1593-11ec-a80a-dbfd7c7b57d3.html

Edited September 17, 2021 by BillsFan619

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

I checked the roster and we only have 6 guys over 30.

 

I also noticed that a lot of our rookies are older than you'd think. Hamlin, Doyle, Brown, and Basham are all 23. I think our scouting department prioritizes 4 year starters and stays away from one-year-wonders (Rousseau being an exception)

Edited September 17, 2021 by Allen2Diggs

[Draconator]

[billybrew1]

And this means we are perhaps going to have a very interesting offseason with Jerry, Addison and Star coming off the roster. Will we resign any of them? I have no idea.... The Bills history under McD makes me think that if they can still play they will be back as McD hates "new." That's why we're always bringing in Panthers and at the same time, not a real lot from other teams. I'm hoping we go in a new direction personally. I want an impact player for the D if we can afford it. I hope we hope make all nine picks next season to rejuvenate the team. Of course, we'd have to draft fantastic and hope it is a deep year. We have a ton of free agents next year plus we have to decide on Ed O's Fifth year option.

The bottom line is though, the Bills could really remake the roster next year if they chose to....

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, billybrew1 said:

And this means we are perhaps going to have a very interesting offseason with Jerry, Addison and Star coming off the roster. Will we resign any of them? I have no idea.... The Bills history under McD makes me think that if they can still play they will be back as McD hates "new." That's why we're always bringing in Panthers and at the same time, not a real lot from other teams. I'm hoping we go in a new direction personally. I want an impact player for the D if we can afford it. I hope we hope make all nine picks next season to rejuvenate the team. Of course, we'd have to draft fantastic and hope it is a deep year. We have a ton of free agents next year plus we have to decide on Ed O's Fifth year option.

The bottom line is though, the Bills could really remake the roster next year if they chose to....

 

Quick, name all the former panthers without cheating and looking it up. 

[BillsFan619]

16 minutes ago, Draconator said:

That's great, Draconator. Thanks for sharing!

[Logic]

Thanks for this post.

Respectfully, I never thought it meant much.

I noticed the Chiefs are only a few spots "younger" than us. I think that good teams often have a balance of youngsters and veterans.

I'm guessing that Hughes, Addison, Star, Klein, Hyde, Poyer, and Emmanuel Sanders are the ones driving the overall team age up. It would be one thing if we really WERE an older team across the board, but I don't think that's the case. The Bills feel like a pretty young team who happen to have a few key contributors aged 30 or older.


 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

22 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

And this means we are perhaps going to have a very interesting offseason with Jerry, Addison and Star coming off the roster. Will we resign any of them? 

Considering that we're up against the cap, it wouldn't make sense to resign any of them. We drafted defensive ends back-to-back because we wanted to get younger and cheaper at the position. I expect the Bills to be pretty quiet in free agency for the foreseeable future.

[BillsFan619]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

Thanks for this post.

Respectfully, I never thought it meant much.

I noticed the Chiefs are only a few spots "younger" than us. I think that good teams often have a balance of youngsters and veterans.

I'm guessing that Hughes, Addison, Star, Klein, Hyde, Poyer, and Emmanuel Sanders are the ones driving the overall team age up. It would be one thing if we really WERE an older team across the board, but I don't think that's the case. The Bills feel like a pretty young team who happen to have a few key contributors aged 30 or older.


 

Thanks for your thoughts, Logic.

 

Yup, I totally agree that the Bills feel like a young team. That's why it was surprising when they came in as ninth oldest. When I first posted it, my thought was that the defense must be eeking that age up. And to your point in the post, it seems like that may be most of the case.

[BillsFan619]

11 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

Considering that we're up against the cap, it wouldn't make sense to resign any of them. We drafted defensive ends back-to-back because we wanted to get younger and cheaper at the position. I expect the Bills to be pretty quiet in free agency for the foreseeable future.

Unless he really drops off, I hope they keep Hughes for a year or two longer.

[BillsShredder83]

46 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

And this means we are perhaps going to have a very interesting offseason with Jerry, Addison and Star coming off the roster. Will we resign any of them? I have no idea.... The Bills history under McD makes me think that if they can still play they will be back as McD hates "new." That's why we're always bringing in Panthers and at the same time, not a real lot from other teams. I'm hoping we go in a new direction personally. I want an impact player for the D if we can afford it. I hope we hope make all nine picks next season to rejuvenate the team. Of course, we'd have to draft fantastic and hope it is a deep year. We have a ton of free agents next year plus we have to decide on Ed O's Fifth year option.

The bottom line is though, the Bills could really remake the roster next year if they chose to....

It's going to be one of the deepest drafts ever! Alot of guys going back this year after covid stomped their plans out to enter last offseason! Usually Beane likes to move around alot, but I think we're much less likely to give up any picks to do so this coming year!

[TOboy]

With Addison, Star, and Sanders not likely back next year that avg can change pretty quick. The core of our team are all either young or right in there prime. The older guys are the vets providing experience.
 

I actually think it’s a great mix. 

[BillsFan619]

3 minutes ago, TOboy said:

With Addison, Star, and Sanders not likely back next year that avg can change pretty quick. The core of our team are all either young or right in there prime. The older guys are the vets providing experience.
 

I actually think it’s a great mix. 

I think it's a great mix too. It's always nice to have veteran leadership for the younger guys.

 

It was still surprising though (at least for me) since the faces of our franchise are on the younger side.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Quick, name all the former panthers without cheating and looking it up. 

 

Butler, Addison, Klein, Obada, Williams. Think that is it on the current roster but we have had others.... Benjamin, Norman etc. 

 

Williams is the only one of those I'd call a success.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, TOboy said:

With Addison, Star, and Sanders not likely back next year that avg can change pretty quick. The core of our team are all either young or right in there prime. The older guys are the vets providing experience.
 

I actually think it’s a great mix. 

 

 

They have actually gotten younger the past couple seasons..........McBeane's rosters have always been among the league's oldest.

 

Whether they get any younger or not probably depends on the highly invested-in young players they have taking another step.    If, for instance, AJ Epenesa keeps playing like he only deserves 40% of the snaps instead of 60% then they might need to keep (or buy) a veteran pass rusher etc......if he's a beast they can take a chance on a younger player to rotate with him. 

[Jeff1954]

Hyde and Poyer are the only over 30’s I would bet on being with the team next year. We really need our last two draft classes to come on and to hit big on the 2022 draft class.

[BillsFan619]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

It's going to be one of the deepest drafts ever! Alot of guys going back this year after covid stomped their plans out to enter last offseason! Usually Beane likes to move around alot, but I think we're much less likely to give up any picks to do so this coming year!

Thanks for sharing, BillsShredder! I think this is an excellent thought considering what the 2022 draft could look like.

[ticketssince61]

A. The difference between oldest and youngest teams is pretty small: youngest (25.1) oldest (27.0) so we are actually right in the middle of the pack

 

B. This takes into acct the entire roster. A more indicative stat might be average age for starters. 

 

C. This does not take into account Standard Deviation. Two teams could both be exactly 27 years on average, but one could be 100% of the players are 27 and another could have equal # of players from 21 to 33. Clearly the age profile on these 2 teams is quite different

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

They have a nice mix of veterans and young players. As someone else said Beane's draft's have to start producing more.  Oliver and Davis looked good, Bass looks solid, and Knox did what was asked of him. Now Edmunds, Epenesa, Ford, Moss, and the rookie DL have got to produce this year.  

[Virgil]

2 hours ago, TOboy said:

With Addison, Star, and Sanders not likely back next year that avg can change pretty quick. The core of our team are all either young or right in there prime. The older guys are the vets providing experience.
 

I actually think it’s a great mix. 

 

I think Hughes could also be on his way out

[TOboy]

9 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I think Hughes could also be on his way out

Definitely possible 

[DCofNC]

The averages get deceiving when you have a handful of gray beards on the team.   The Beane draft classes better come on in a big way or this team is in big trouble.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Don’t forget that Josh is the oldest QB in the AFCE!!!!

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

This is splitting hairs. These rosters are all within weeks/months, not years, of each other. Does it really make a difference if a guy is 26 or 26.5 years old? 

[97bills]

13 hours ago, Jeff1954 said:

Hyde and Poyer are the only over 30’s I would bet on being with the team next year. We really need our last two draft classes to come on and to hit big on the 2022 draft class.

And we better start drafting corners and safety. I like poyer but I do believe Hyde has fallen off the guy is invisible every game especially win we play hi flying Offense when we need him the most. 

[dave mcbride]

14 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

They have actually gotten younger the past couple seasons..........McBeane's rosters have always been among the league's oldest.

 

Whether they get any younger or not probably depends on the highly invested-in young players they have taking another step.    If, for instance, AJ Epenesa keeps playing like he only deserves 40% of the snaps instead of 60% then they might need to keep (or buy) a veteran pass rusher etc......if he's a beast they can take a chance on a younger player to rotate with him. 

Good point about Epenesa. I do think it’s way too early to tell with him. A lot of pass rushers who turn out to be good players need time; there’s so much technique and expertise that goes into the position. It’s kinda the opposite of RB. Except for a handful of freaks of nature and the Watt brothers (and JJ is a freak), the best years tend to start at year 3 or maybe 4. Melvin Ingram, Zedarius Smith, Haasan Reddick, DeForest Buckner, and Shaq Barrett are good examples: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/I/IngrMe00.htm; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarrSh00.htm; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitZa00.htm; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BuckDe00.htm; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReddHa00.htm.  
 

Just look at Reddick. It took him a while, but he blew up last year and had 1.5 sacks in game one last week. 
 

It’s kind of a mid-career to even late-ish-career position in terms of peak. Indeed, Bruce’s technique and conditioning by 1995-1996 were outstanding, making him virtually unstoppable. I know you disagree, but I believe his best, most complete football was played in those seasons because he was an absolute demon against the run by then too.

Edited September 18, 2021 by dave mcbride

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Isn’t the entire starting defense on second third or more contract except ed and Tremaine?

Edited September 18, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[BillsFan619]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Don’t forget that Josh is the oldest QB in the AFCE!!!!

 

 

Yup. Even that’s pretty crazy!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 hours ago, Logic said:

Thanks for this post.

Respectfully, I never thought it meant much.

I noticed the Chiefs are only a few spots "younger" than us. I think that good teams often have a balance of youngsters and veterans.

I'm guessing that Hughes, Addison, Star, Klein, Hyde, Poyer, and Emmanuel Sanders are the ones driving the overall team age up. It would be one thing if we really WERE an older team across the board, but I don't think that's the case. The Bills feel like a pretty young team who happen to have a few key contributors aged 30 or older.

 

Beasley.  Taiwan Jones.

[BillsFan619]

15 hours ago, ticketssince61 said:

A. The difference between oldest and youngest teams is pretty small: youngest (25.1) oldest (27.0) so we are actually right in the middle of the pack

 

B. This takes into acct the entire roster. A more indicative stat might be average age for starters. 

 

C. This does not take into account Standard Deviation. Two teams could both be exactly 27 years on average, but one could be 100% of the players are 27 and another could have equal # of players from 21 to 33. Clearly the age profile on these 2 teams is quite different

 

 

Good thoughts! It’d be interesting to see if just counting starters moved the needle at all.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

That’s a bit misleading, as every old guy I can think of is a 2022 FA. Bills’ core is very young.

[Mango]

19 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

According to the Buffalo News, the Bills have the ninth oldest roster. I wouldn't have thought this because they seem like a young team. When you think of the faces of the franchise, it's a little surprising that the Bills are one of the older rosters.

 

The oldest roster was not surprising. It was the Bucs.

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-have-ninth-oldest-roster-in-nfl-tampa-bay-is-the-oldest/article_e206975c-1593-11ec-a80a-dbfd7c7b57d3.html

It’s not a huge shock. I know we call the team “young” but we aren’t. This FO have filled a lot of holes through FA. Basically the entire OL sans Dawkins, plus most of the WR room.

 

Jordan and Poyer are FA pickups pre Beane. Hughes, Star, Klein,  and Addison are all up there in age and seeing significant playing time. 

[Mango]

15 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

They have a nice mix of veterans and young players. As someone else said Beane's draft's have to start producing more.  Oliver and Davis looked good, Bass looks solid, and Knox did what was asked of him. Now Edmunds, Epenesa, Ford, Moss, and the rookie DL have got to produce this year.  

I posted something similar a few weeks ago. 
 

I like Beane. I think he’s don’t a good job of building a team. I think his predecessor was better at building a roster. 10 times out of 10 I’ll take the team guy. 
 

Our depth chart is old, especially for key contributors and starters. Our starting WRs average age is 31. All last year we talked about how an aging Star L. would be this teams saving grace for 2021. 
 

Our best players, sans Allen, are previous regimes picks or FA. Tre, Poyer, Hyde, Hughes, Dawkins, and Milano. Are all the previous FO. 
 

I love me some Josh, he is the shinning star in the draft classes. I think Davis and Oliver are going to have great careers. And I think Edmunds should stick around but only for the right price. But they have to do better at getting draft picks to make a bigger impact. 

[BarleyNY]

15 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

I think Hughes could also be on his way out

He is a free agent after this year so I think it’s much more likely than not that this season is his last as a Bill.  They have not extended him and they invested a first and two second round picks in three DEs.  Seems like the writing is on the wall.  

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Good point about Epenesa. I do think it’s way too early to tell with him. A lot of pass rushers who turn out to be good players need time; there’s so much technique and expertise that goes into the position. It’s kinda the opposite of RB. Except for a handful of freaks of nature and the Watt brothers (and JJ is a freak), the best years tend to start at year 3 or maybe 4. Melvin Ingram, Zedarius Smith, Haasan Reddick, DeForest Buckner, and Shaq Barrett are good examples: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/I/IngrMe00.htm; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarrSh00.htm; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitZa00.htm; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BuckDe00.htm; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReddHa00.htm.  
 

Just look at Reddick. It took him a while, but he blew up last year and had 1.5 sacks in game one last week. 
 

It’s kind of a mid-career to even late-ish-career position in terms of peak. Indeed, Bruce’s technique and conditioning by 1995-1996 were outstanding, making him virtually unstoppable. I know you disagree, but I believe his best, most complete football was played in those seasons because he was an absolute demon against the run by then too.

 

 

Agree that it can take years to develop pass rushers.   That wasn't my point.  You can't simply assume that young veterans who haven't produced in multiple seasons will get MUCH better at key positions.   They would likely want to have proven insurance......someone they can trust make plays and be that 55%-60% guy in the instance of this DE rotation.  

[machine gun kelly]

I’ll worry about next year, next year.  I don’t expect Addison, Hughes, and Star back next year, but that’s a next year off season conversation.  Not worried about it in September.

8 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Don’t forget that Josh is the oldest QB in the AFCE!!!!

 

 

That’s it omg, move on!

[BillsFan619]

23 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

I think Hughes could also be on his way out

Hey Virg! Hope you’re well.

 

Do you think this based off of his play or is it just a gut feeling?

[Virgil]

44 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:

Hey Virg! Hope you’re well.

 

Do you think this based off of his play or is it just a gut feeling?

I think he could be back on a one year, team friendly deal.  We know McD likes his leadership.  If Groot does well, there won’t be a justifiable reason to pay him to stay.  We have some big contracts potentially coming up. 

[Watkins101]

14 hours ago, Mango said:

I posted something similar a few weeks ago. 
 

I like Beane. I think he’s don’t a good job of building a team. I think his predecessor was better at building a roster. 10 times out of 10 I’ll take the team guy. 
 

Our depth chart is old, especially for key contributors and starters. Our starting WRs average age is 31. All last year we talked about how an aging Star L. would be this teams saving grace for 2021. 
 

Our best players, sans Allen, are previous regimes picks or FA. Tre, Poyer, Hyde, Hughes, Dawkins, and Milano. Are all the previous FO. 
 

I love me some Josh, he is the shinning star in the draft classes. I think Davis and Oliver are going to have great careers. And I think Edmunds should stick around but only for the right price. But they have to do better at getting draft picks to make a bigger impact. 

McDermott was here and definitely played a hand in all of those except for   Hughes.

[machine gun kelly]

This happens every year.  We’ll shed some as we draft or pick up in FA more.  I’ll worry about that next February.  I think the obvious ones will go, and the ones likely to stay are Beasely as we have him under contract through 2022, and Morse who will turn 30 after the season, and we have him under contract as well through 2022.  Addison, Star, Hughes, and Sanders will probably go.  Again, this is an off season thing, and I’m just concerned for beating the snot out of Miami today.