Non-biased, well thought out comparison of Bills & Chiefs from KC fans perspective.

[wjag]

3 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

 

Only the first 20 minutes are related to KC vs Buffalo

 

Feel Buffalo is the biggest threat to KC. Think the Bills coaching in particular is strong though out-coached in the two games last year. Main gap between the two organizations from their perspective is Mahommes vs Allen though the love Allen and think his continued growth could further level the playing field.

 

If they weren't in the AFC they would love to root for the Bills .. they love the team.

 

Thanks for posting this.

 

This was well done.  I think the interesting thing for me was the discussion of the Bills draft picks.  How these guys were all on the Chiefs radar as the type of player the Chiefs would typically select.  Coaching tree influence?  I like their discussion a lot.    Nice to listen to a non-trash-talking take from an opponent's fan base.  There was a fair amount of admiration expressed for the Bills team and coaching staff.

 

I think the one thing that is really not coming through in all the talking heads reaction to the AFCCG was the Bills WRs were really banged up for that game.  What we know now, torn muscle, broken leg, deep bruises all played their part in slowing down the offense.  I'm not taking anything away from the Chief's defense, they played well.  The DBs were mugging the WRs and the DLINE was abusing the interior of the Bills OLINE.

 

Should be really interesting to see how the Bills go after them BOTH times this year.

[Bobby Hooks]

2 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

 

NO!

The big gap is our defensive lines.

Our O-Line was torn to shreds and Josh Allen was under constant pressure.

 

Patrick Mahomes had 5 days to get rid of the ball.

It’s kinda hard to tell. Did you disagree? 

[Mark Vader]

6 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

It’s kinda hard to tell. Did you disagree? 

Hard to tell? You didn't see how much Patrick Mahomes had to throw the ball in that game as compared to Josh Allen?

 

Disagree with what?

[Bobby Hooks]

13 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Hard to tell? You didn't see how much Patrick Mahomes had to throw the ball in that game as compared to Josh Allen?

 

Disagree with what?

I was commenting on the bolded giant letters and exclamation point. It was pretty clear you disagreed. 
 

Your point doesn’t get more valid the louder you make it. 
 

Do you employ that tactic in everyday conversations? If so, I bet there are many times you walk away feeling the victor when in actuality they were probably just trying to get you to calm down and stop spitting your lunch in their face. 
 

You have a lot of hot button bumper stickers on your hatchback don’t you? 

Edited June 25, 2021 by Bobby Hooks

[FLFan]

I could not be less interested in a “KC fan’s perspective” regarding this rivalry.  Here is a Bills fan’s perspective:  the Bills will crush their nuts this year.  

[Big Blitz]

The difference was the trenches.  

 

Against the Bucs the Chiefs looked like the Bills did against them.

 

 

If we have a top 5 defense that gets to the QB just sending 4 guys we are going to win multiple SBs in the Allen era.

 

Which is why I didn't mind the draft strategy at all this year. 

 

Hope we find our Danielle Hunter.  

[Mark Vader]

6 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

I was commenting on the bolded giant letters and exclamation point. It was pretty clear you disagreed. 
 

Your point doesn’t get more valid the louder you make it. 
 

Do you employ that tactic in everyday conversations? If so, I bet there are many times you walk away feeling the victor when in actuality they were probably just trying to get you to calm down and stop spitting your lunch in their face. 
 

You have a lot of hot button bumper stickers on your hatchback don’t you? 

I don't know what any of this means.

 

You will notice that the other person who responded to you, also responded with big bolded letters. Which is why I chose the same format. Did you send him this same message as you sent to me?

 

As for the topic at hand.....

Is Travis Kelce a better Tight End than Dawson Knox? Yes.

 

Is our Tight End position the main reason why the Chiefs are better than the Bills? No.

 

Actually we should be giving Dawson Knox a little more credit. He showed up in that game and made several catches for the Bills. As he did in the Colts game.

 

I feel that our defensive lines were the bigger issue, as I have stated.

[MTBill]

One of the other biggest differences....  Home Field.  Kelce is a beast though.

[Bobby Hooks]

5 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

I don't know what any of this means.

 

You will notice that the other person who responded to you, also responded with big bolded letters. Which is why I chose the same format. Did you send him this same message as you sent to me?

 

As for the topic at hand.....

Is Travis Kelce a better Tight End than Dawson Knox? Yes.

 

Is our Tight End position the main reason why the Chiefs are better than the Bills? No.

 

Actually we should be giving Dawson Knox a little more credit. He showed up in that game and made several catches for the Bills. As he did in the Colts game.

 

I feel that our defensive lines were the bigger issue, as I have stated.

So you don’t have a hatchback then? 

[Mark Vader]

1 minute ago, Bobby Hooks said:

So you don’t have a hatchback then? 

I'm coming to the conclusion that the differences between the Bills & Chiefs don't really matter that much to you.

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

The biggest gaps were our offense had zero answers for the Chiefs pass rush and our defense could not even slow down Kelce. 

 

The passing game stalled and we had no run game or screen game to counter with.

 

Mahomes found Kelce at will in both games that kept so many drives alive.  4 TDs in the two meetings last year.

Yes. All that combined with the refs allowing the Chiefs defensive backs to play very physical coverage (often allowing holding, even), something they did not allow in the Superbowl.

 

Kelce and Hill terrorized the Bills in the championship game. Even if the Bills had been clicking on offense, it would have been really hard to overcome our lack of ability to deal with those two players.

 

But honestly, the Chiefs were just firing on all cylinders, something they had not been doing the previous handful of weeks, and the Bills were not firing on all cylinders. Could have been a very different game. But I do think the Chiefs are better than the Bills.

Edited June 25, 2021 by MJS

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Lots of valid points made here.  Teams that played KC well, kept outside containment on Mahomes and pressured him up the middle.  The Bills d-line didn't accomplish that on many plays.  When they did, Mahomes quickly threw the ball away.  Mahomes is very good at quickly recognizing a play that is about to break down.  He doesn't take many bad sacks.

 

It also seems to me that Mahomes has been more prone to injury than Allen.  Maybe Allen has the same kinds of injuries but we never seem to know because he is able to play through them.  I expect coordinators around the league may be willing to take more chances to put hits on Mahomes because sitting back in coverage has not seemed to work.  They'll want to find out if he can take the hits and keep performing at a high level.

 

The Bills need to run the ball to compete with KC.  This does shorten the game (less Mahomes opportunities) and will get KC out of the two deep safety looks that they often use.

 

Right now I think KC plays a better game than the Bills.  The rosters are real close in talent but I see the big difference is in the Reid vs Daboll/Frazier match up. 

[Bobby Hooks]

13 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

I'm coming to the conclusion that the differences between the Bills & Chiefs don't really matter that much to you.

I mean, I certainly have my opinions about it. But really what are we doing here? Debating why the chiefs are better than us? Seems like a silly way to spend our time. I’m sure we’re all a little right. 
 

Going by the original premise, the guy said Mahomes and Allen was the biggest gap. Going by that and that alone, I think the gap between Knox and Kelce is the largest gap, and to me it’s not even debatable. 
 

Are there other reasons why we lost, sure. But to sit here and try to convince others what is the biggest reason seems pretty silly to me. 

[Motorin']

4 hours ago, sven233 said:

Honestly, I thought the biggest gap last season between the Bills and Chiefs had little to do with the players and more with the coaching.  Frasier and McDermott had pretty much the exact opposite game plan at stopping the Chiefs than I would have gone in with. 

 

I was fully expecting bracket coverage on Kelce and Hill forcing the Chiefs to find someone else to beat them but instead they tried playing their traditional zone man scheme that they run a lot of the time and that is not the way you are going to beat that team.  It won't work because Mahomes is too goof off script and those guys will eventually find holes in the coverage and beat you for big plays.  Happened the entire game and they never adjusted. 

 

I'm not saying what I was wanting to do would have worked, but it should have been tried since after the first couple of possessions it was obvious their scheme was not going to work.  Through this poor defensive scheme, on top of a very lackluster offensive scheme that looked nothing like the offensive approach the team had used for most of the season, I truly believe that coaching was the biggest difference, not the players.

 

I actually thought KC's defensive scheme against us was the biggest reason we lost both games.

 

They were one of the few teams that could consistently generate pressure while blanketing our wr's and / or confusing Allen with coverages. 

 

They got 2-3  more stops than most teams. Otherwise we could have been in position to win both games in a shootout. 

 

 

[Charles Romes]

Visiting their board they have to be the most unlikable fans in the league. 

[Bobby Hooks]

7 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Visiting their board they have to be the most unlikable fans in the league. 

I never had anything against them until recently. Their fanbase has flowered into an absolutely loathsome group. 

You’d never hear anything from them until they started winning. Now they’re in every comment section worldwide spitting their tactless garbage mouths off at the slightest hint of someone saying something remotely positive about their own team.  They simply can’t stomach someone saying anything about another team without mentioning how good KC is. 
 

My point is this, I always thought the Pats fans were the worst In terms of arrogance. They actually had decades worth of winning and excellence to draw from, and seeing now what a few seasons worth of excellent football can do to a fanbase I’m thinking they weren’t actually all that bad. 
 

 

[BillsFan130]

6 hours ago, jletha said:

I would disagree that the largest gap is at QB. Allen was very close to Mahomes statistically last year and while I think Mahomes is better there are other positions with larger gaps. Particularly at TE. I think Kelce allows them to exploit defensive matchups that we cant because of his versatility. Beyond that their defensive line was much better than ours.

 

Im not sure if you swap Mahomes and Allen last season the result of the AFC Champ would be different.

Pass rush for me.

 

Chiefs D line owned the bills o line.

 

And Cheifs o line owned the Bills D line

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hooks said:

I mean, I certainly have my opinions about it. But really what are we doing here? Debating why the chiefs are better than us? Seems like a silly way to spend our time. I’m sure we’re all a little right. 
 

Going by the original premise, the guy said Mahomes and Allen was the biggest gap. Going by that and that alone, I think the gap between Knox and Kelce is the largest gap, and to me it’s not even debatable. 
 

Are there other reasons why we lost, sure. But to sit here and try to convince others what is the biggest reason seems pretty silly to me. 

In the grand scheme of things, perhaps it is silly, but we're talking about sports. Sports is entertainment, it's frivolous and fun.

 

We're not talking about solving the problems of the world.

 

Lots of people love sports and they love talking about sports and everyone has an opinion.

[Bobby Hooks]

1 hour ago, Mark Vader said:

In the grand scheme of things, perhaps it is silly, but we're talking about sports. Sports is entertainment, it's frivolous and fun.

 

We're not talking about solving the problems of the world.

 

Lots of people love sports and they love talking about sports and everyone has an opinion.

If “loving sports” is sitting here debating  all the ways the Chiefs are better than the Bills I guess I don’t love it. 
 

Doesn’t seem fun or entertaining at all. Sounds less fun than watching an afc championship game where the refs allowed KCs defensive backs to hold our receivers every single play under the guise of “sticky coverage.” 


 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

7 hours ago, H2o said:

Ref: "I told you the check cleared this morning and we weren't going to call PI, or Defensive Holding, and let your guys get away with a few cheap shots"

in all seriousness, would have liked to see how these teams matched up or the refs called it the same way as they did in the super bowl. 

[maryland-bills-fan]

7 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

So what changed during the Super Bowl?

out bid

 

5 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

I'm asking why the officials turned on the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.

Brady was the bigger darling

 

[maryland-bills-fan]

The biggest difference is that the Chief's defensive backs were able to mug our WR and the referees allowed it.  The refs were corrected for the SB and they lost.

 

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

Visiting their board they have to be the most unlikable fans in the league. 

 

3 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said:

I never had anything against them until recently. Their fanbase has flowered into an absolutely loathsome group. 

You’d never hear anything from them until they started winning. Now they’re in every comment section worldwide spitting their tactless garbage mouths off at the slightest hint of someone saying something remotely positive about their own team.  They simply can’t stomach someone saying anything about another team without mentioning how good KC is. 
 

My point is this, I always thought the Pats fans were the worst In terms of arrogance. They actually had decades worth of winning and excellence to draw from, and seeing now what a few seasons worth of excellent football can do to a fanbase I’m thinking they weren’t actually all that bad. 

They really are the worst. Very unlikeable bunch. And I guess they fit their team. A ton of unlikeable players they root for.

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hooks said:

If “loving sports” is sitting here debating  all the ways the Chiefs are better than the Bills I guess I don’t love it. 
 

Doesn’t seem fun or entertaining at all. Sounds less fun than watching an afc championship game where the refs allowed KCs defensive backs to hold our receivers every single play under the guise of “sticky coverage.” 


 

This is just one way, not the only way.

[H2o]

8 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

So what changed during the Super Bowl?

They faced "The Golden Boy"

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

out bid

 

Brady was the bigger darling

 

 

4 minutes ago, H2o said:

They faced "The Golden Boy"

I find this very easy to believe.

 

Green Bay got screwed in the NFC Championship game.

[John from Riverside]

I just thought that they were better balanced we we’re very much in one dimensional last year and the Chiefs can either throw or Run which makes Mahomes even more dangerous as soon as KC started taking on injuries like we did in the AFC championship game they got their ass beat by the bucks

2 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

The biggest difference is that the Chief's defensive backs were able to mug our WR and the referees allowed it.  The refs were corrected for the SB and they lost.

 

Not to mention that nearly every wide receiver we had in the AFC championship game was hurt the combination of the non-called holding and the injuries and are in ability to run the ball all came in to play we have to be able to run the ball this year

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The Chiefs punted once all game…. And dominated the Bills in both match ups last season…. The refs didn’t help but the better team clearly won both games. 
 

Chiefs just have a more talented starting roster top to bottom…. That could change with a few players developing into elite players this year. 

not saying you are wrong, but I believe the officiating in game 2 was really critical. The Bills should have but didn’t reciprocate by grabbing and holding in the same way on defense. I get why they didn’t— when you are trained to play within the rules, you just don’t or can’t easily deviate.

 

But I will say that in the AFCCG, the Bills just got flat outcoached. The schemes on both sides of the ball were totally wrong. Daboll seemed like he was probably too distracted with interviewing— but that offensive game plan was really dreadful. I believe the talent gap isn’t as wide— but the coaching has to be a lot better. 

[Meatloaf63]

10 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

So what changed during the Super Bowl?

Tommy paid more…

[PatsFanNH]

11 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

 

Only the first 20 minutes are related to KC vs Buffalo

 

Feel Buffalo is the biggest threat to KC. Think the Bills coaching in particular is strong though out-coached in the two games last year. Main gap between the two organizations from their perspective is Mahommes vs Allen though the love Allen and think his continued growth could further level the playing field.

 

If they weren't in the AFC they would love to root for the Bills .. they love the team.

I’d agree KC has the edge at QB but more because the man can make a throw in almost any position.  
 

I would also say their running game LAST  year was also a lot more reliable.
 

I disagree about HC, sorry but Reid always pees down his leg in big games when facing an equal to better HC.  I mean they should have lost to a piss poor NE team last year but they lucked out and got the worse QB since 1989 in a Pats uniform starting. (Face palm taking a sack with no time outs and 6 seconds on the clock in range for a tying FG) 

 

this year should be interesting, will Buffalo be able get pressure on the revamped O line of KC?

 

Will KC be able to stop all the firepower the Bills have?

 

my gutt says Bills win the game in the regular season because I see McDermott fixing the D more than I see Reid fixing his D which has been mediocre for years. 

[Stank_Nasty]

7 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said:

I never had anything against them until recently. Their fanbase has flowered into an absolutely loathsome group. 

You’d never hear anything from them until they started winning. Now they’re in every comment section worldwide spitting their tactless garbage mouths off at the slightest hint of someone saying something remotely positive about their own team.  They simply can’t stomach someone saying anything about another team without mentioning how good KC is. 
 

My point is this, I always thought the Pats fans were the worst In terms of arrogance. They actually had decades worth of winning and excellence to draw from, and seeing now what a few seasons worth of excellent football can do to a fanbase I’m thinking they weren’t actually all that bad. 
 

 

You’re not wrong here. By the end of the season, when Allen was really on a tear and in the national spotlight, anytime somebody had the audacity to hint that his numbers said he was playing around mahomes level on TV or social media you woulda thought Josh Allen himself had punched their dog in the face and stolen all their first born children…. “How dare anyone mention any other QB other than Mahomes is playing at an elite level! The nerve of some people!”

[billsfan1959]

13 hours ago, MJS said:

But honestly, the Chiefs were just firing on all cylinders, something they had not been doing the previous handful of weeks, and the Bills were not firing on all cylinders. Could have been a very different game. But I do think the Chiefs are better than the Bills.

 

There were so many variables that went into deciding the outcome of that game - and sometimes one team is just, as you say, "firing on all cylinders" and the other team is not. That happens. Everyone wants talk about what the Buc's defense did to the Chiefs in the SB. They seem to forget how Mahomes and the Chiefs rolled up almost 600 yards of offense against that very same defense in a Week 12 win at Tampa Bay. Did the Buc's defense improve that drastically from Week 12 to the SB? Not really. It was just their day.

 

The Chiefs were a better team than the Bills last year, but the Bills were a better team than how they played in the Conference Championship game. 

 

Hopefully, the Bills are the better team this year...and play like it when it counts

[hondo in seattle]

21 hours ago, Cusefan66214 said:

Pat mahomes is a literal god to the people of Kansas City. He can do no wrong by them. Comparisons to any other QB are laughable and will get you assaulted if you say otherwise.

I love living in KC but I get dumped on alot for being a proud Bills fan. I get mocked all the time for wearing my Allen jersey

 

My experience as a new Kansas Citian is very different.  I wear my Bills gear proudly, flaunt my Bills iPhone case, and have Bills stickers on my cars.  So far, this has done nothing but stirred some friendly conversations about football.  The Chief fans I've run into are much like Bills fans.  They're appreciative of their coach and QB, but also see the flaws in their team.  They also, btw, see the Bills as a real threat to future SB runs.  They know Allen is better than he appeared in the game against them.  

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

23 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

 

Main gap between the two organizations from their perspective is Mahommes vs Allen

 

You concluded that this is a "non-biased" and "well thought out" conclusion?

 

You're not serious...

[Bobby Hooks]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

It was not “just their day”. The Chiefs offensive line was complete decimated…. Why do people keep overlooking this? 
 

It’s why they lost the game. Period. My guess is the Chiefs are SB champs again if not for the ridiculous amount of injuries to their offensive line that a very talented Bucs defensive line overmatched. 

The other question is why does it bother you so much that some people overlook it? 
 

Does it really upset you that some Bills fans don’t think the chiefs are the greatest team to ever strap up? 
 

The Bucs played an outstanding game and the chiefs weren’t allowed to hold their receivers all game. Believe it or not they really were getting away with huge potentially game changing penalties all year long. 

[Stank_Nasty]

9 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

The other question is why does it bother you so much that some people overlook it? 
 

Does it really upset you that some Bills fans don’t think the chiefs are the greatest team to ever strap up? 
 

The Bucs played an outstanding game and the chiefs weren’t allowed to hold their receivers all game. Believe it or not they really were getting away with huge potentially game changing penalties all year long. 

It’s odd to me how much ole Scotty wants to disregard this. I’m not saying the Bills would have even won(woulda been a lot closer though) if the officiating would have been similar to the Super Bowl. But it’s downright obvious it woulda changed the complexion and flow of the game had the chiefs gotten nailed a time or 2 early on for that type of play…. Just like it changed how their whole defense could play in the Super Bowl very early on. 

[BigAl2526]

Interesting thread.  Mahomes vs Allen is a very small gap IMO.  Defensive line and tight end were bigger.  Coaching is hard to compare since Reid is an offensive guy and McDermott a defensive guy.  I have to give Reid all kinds of props because he has never been confined by his West Coast coaching roots.  When the Chiefs drafted Mahomes, he wholeheartedly endorsed and incorporated a bunch of college read option stuff that Mahomes was familiar with.  McDermott is pretty adaptive on the defensive side however.  He is known for his ability to disguise coverage and confuse QBs.  I'm particular, he has used the abilities of Hyde and Poyer to coordinate and play off each other to great advantage.  He's never had a true big nickel in Buffalo, for which he was known in Carolina, but that has not stopped him from building a formidable defense.   Personally, I think he's drooling over the possibilities that Rousseau and Basham give him on the defensive line.

 

I do think Brian Daboll was a brilliant hire by McDermott.  He's a lot newer in his coaching career than Reid, of course, but he has some of Reid's adaptability to him.  He's from the Belichick coaching tree and the Erhardt-Perkins offensive system.  That system originated with a smash mouth style of offense, but also lends itself to significant adaptation.  It was used in New England, of course, with Brady throwing timing passes all over the field.  Daboll has adapted it to Josh Allen's strengths, and like Reid has incorporated a lot of read-option stuff from college.  

[BarleyNY]

12 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

 

Will KC be able to stop all the firepower the Bills have?

 

Not sure I understand this.  The Chefs didn’t seem to have a huge issue with it last season and the Bills didn’t add any firepower of note.  Sanders for Brown, a late round rookie WR and a back up TE  Someone might develop or they might be healthier, but neither is guaranteed.  

[billsfan1959]

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It was not “just their day”. The Chiefs offensive line was complete decimated…. Why do people keep overlooking this? 
 

It’s why they lost the game. Period. My guess is the Chiefs are SB champs again if not for the ridiculous amount of injuries to their offensive line that a very talented Bucs defensive line overmatched. 

 

Please, they had the same O-line (except for Fisher) they had in the AFC Championship game (and previous game against the Bucs). My guess is if they replay that game 10 times with the same personnel, KC wins 7- 8 of them.

Edited June 26, 2021 by billsfan1959

[transient]

On 6/25/2021 at 11:18 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Either Reid suddenly acquired magical wizard properties, or coaches, like players, have the ability to improve themselves.

It's also possible that coordinators matter and that Eric Bienemy > Matt Nagy and that Steve Spagnuolo > Bob Sutton

…or he acquired a QB with magical wizard properties. KC was a double digit win team in 4 of the 5 seasons with Alex Smith at QB. Alex was certainly a steady, reliable starter that didn’t lose games, but clearly Mahomes >>>> Smith and gives that team more flexibility in how they play both on offense and indirectly on defense. No coincidence that Reid’s change in playoff fortunes coincided with Mahomes starting.