RiotAct Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 50 minutes ago, BTB said: So there are 25,000+ fans who tailgate but dont go into the game? You are just making crap up, throwing it against the wall, and see what sticks. agreed… no way it’s that low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Honestly I would wager that more people tailgate than attend the game .. In all of the private lots and Bills lots and grass lots combined there are more than 73k Yet only 73,000 make it into the stadium.. there are thousands plus who never leave the tailgate I've never seen anyone stay behind in the lot at game time that wasn't passed out face down 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said: I've never seen anyone stay behind in the lot at game time that wasn't passed out face down I never said a lot of them weren't drunk 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31959618/erie-county-mark-poloncarz-says-new-buffalo-bills-stadium-fair-deal-all 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Just now, Dablitzkrieg said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31959618/erie-county-mark-poloncarz-says-new-buffalo-bills-stadium-fair-deal-all I was waiting for someone smarter to post it lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 38 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I was waiting for someone smarter to post it lol So are you still waiting then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 It's all planted BS. Look for a 40% State 20% County 20% League 20% Pegulas breakdown. Are we done now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, beerme1 said: It's all planted BS. Look for a 40% State 20% County 20% League 20% Pegulas breakdown. Are we done now? Works. Just build it downtown. Makes ZERO sense to build in OP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, BillStime said: Works. Just build it downtown. Makes ZERO sense to build in OP. That's your opinion. It's a football stadium for football games and the suburbs (OP) has the land , space , it's not hard to get too Putting it downtown is the hip thing .. it's trendy , but there's no economic benefit.. studies have shown that.. it would basically kill the best tailgating tradition in the NFL Buffalo has always been known for a more college like atmosphere.... Like an SEC atmosphere... The fans are knowledgeable, supportive, and hardcore.. The parties at the rock pile were legendary.. full on keg's in the stands ... So the shenanigans are way pre Ralph Wilson stadium... And the best tailgates in the world will be lost if we go downtown... There's a lot of people who want to preserve that And there's a difference between full-on drunken debauchery... And a legitimate top notch Buffalo tailgate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 15 hours ago, BTB said: So there are 25,000+ fans who tailgate but dont go into the game? You are just making crap up, throwing it against the wall, and see what sticks. There are a lot of people that tailgate and dont go to the game(I have done it before) but I am with that seems like a really high estimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: That's your opinion. It's a football stadium for football games and the suburbs (OP) has the land , space , it's not hard to get too Putting it downtown is the hip thing .. it's trendy , but there's no economic benefit.. studies have shown that.. it would basically kill the best tailgating tradition in the NFL Buffalo has always been known for a more college like atmosphere.... Like an SEC atmosphere... The fans are knowledgeable, supportive, and hardcore.. The parties at the rock pile were legendary.. full on keg's in the stands ... So the shenanigans are way pre Ralph Wilson stadium... And the best tailgates in the world will be lost if we go downtown... There's a lot of people who want to preserve that And there's a difference between full-on drunken debauchery... And a legitimate top notch Buffalo tailgate Putting the tailgating aside for a second can Buffalo even handle the traffic of a Bills game. I live in NJ so I am not familiar with the landscape of Buffalo/Orchard Park. OP obviously can handle it but can Buffalo? Losing the tailgating would be terrible as Buffalo is known for having a great tailgating atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: And there's a difference between full-on drunken debauchery... And a legitimate top notch Buffalo tailgate. A lot of people don’t get this part. It’s like 8 extra holidays a year when done right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Greg S said: Putting the tailgating aside for a second can Buffalo even handle the traffic of a Bills game. I live in NJ so I am not familiar with the landscape of Buffalo/Orchard Park. OP obviously can handle it but can Buffalo? Losing the tailgating would be terrible as Buffalo is known for having a great tailgating atmosphere. Depending on where they put it downtown, it seems (from passive observation coming downtown for high level business meetings, i dont live there any more)like they could bulldoze some eyesores and create some dedicated tailgating parking lots. There might not be enough room to recreate the entire OP atmosphere, but like i said earlier, if the stadium was downtown, and people in North Buffalo/Town of Tonawanda could take the subway down, there would be a lot fewer people doing tailgating anyways. Or, they would be doing it in the UB North lot then drunkenly taking the subway to the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31959618/erie-county-mark-poloncarz-says-new-buffalo-bills-stadium-fair-deal-all The most important quote from Poloncarz: "I want the public to understand there's been no gun put to the head of Erie County and New York state stating, 'If you do not do this, we are moving,'" he said. "I want people to understand negotiations are a long process. ... A negotiation takes time. It takes compromise on both sides." The Buffalo News and PFT/Florio have a lot of egg on their face. Edited August 5, 2021 by Peter 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 40 minutes ago, Peter said: The most important quote from Poloncarz: "I want the public to understand there's been no gun put to the head of Erie County and New York state stating, 'If you do not do this, we are moving,'" he said. The Buffalo News and PFT/Florio have a lot of egg on their face. Florio usually has egg on his face however since he seems a tool for players' agents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) The writer of the article was quoting the guy who owns Bobs Hotdog cart in Austin Texas. Aka "Ownership Source" Edited August 5, 2021 by TBBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SectionC3 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, TBBills said: The writer of the article was quoting the guy who owns Bobs Hotdog cart in Austin Texas. Aka "Ownership Source" “Ownership source” probably was a polite way of saying Jerry/Stephen/Someone else named Jones. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: “Ownership source” probably was a polite way of saying Jerry/Stephen/Someone else named Jones. It clearly was not "ownership" of the Buffalo Bills or Buffalo Sabres. The people and media that spread this BS should be embarrassed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 11 hours ago, BillStime said: Works. Just build it downtown. Makes ZERO sense to build in OP. I'm not surprised you would make that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, RiotAct said: Boooooooo! I never want to see that monstrosity of a draught Era jersey again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 11 hours ago, BillStime said: Works. Just build it downtown. Makes ZERO sense to build in OP. Normally I agree with you, but in this instance my understanding is that the stadium it has to be in OP bc it’s too expensive to acquire land/build/address infrastructure downtown. Or at least that’s what little birdies say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Since the new stadium talk started last year or the year before, I have always been for a downtown fixed roof stadium. I’m okay with losing the downtown location, but building an open air stadium would be a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, BTB said: Since the new stadium talk started last year or the year before, I have always been for a downtown fixed roof stadium. I’m okay with losing the downtown location, but building an open air stadium would be a huge mistake. Get ready for a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Normally I agree with you, but in this instance my understanding is that the stadium it has to be in OP bc it’s too expensive to acquire land/build/address infrastructure downtown. Or at least that’s what little birdies say. We have to leverage and maximize these large transformational opportunities because they don't come often or easy for areas like Buffalo Niagara. I am not a fan investing in Orchard Park where there is limited opportunity for growth and mass transit. You build the stadium closer to the regions largest and fastest growing market (Southern Ontario) and make downtown Buffalo the HUB from a transportation perspective. I am a big fan of tailgating but I am also a bigger fan of maintaining the long term viability of the franchise and maximizing the economic potential for the both the region and the Pegula's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: We have to leverage and maximize these large transformational opportunities because they don't come often or easy for areas like Buffalo Niagara. I am not a fan investing in Orchard Park where there is limited opportunity for growth and mass transit. You build the stadium closer to the regions largest and fastest growing market (Southern Ontario) and make downtown Buffalo the HUB from a transportation perspective. I am a big fan of tailgating but I am also a bigger fan of maintaining the long term viability of the franchise and maximizing the economic potential for the both the region and the Pegula's. I’m not arguing with you, just telling you what I hear. It’s not going downtown because it’s too expensive to build there. Get ready for open air on the ECC South lots. Probably saves tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars in land acquisition and infrastructure costs. The big tip to me was the change of position on the Skyway (which sort of feeds into your Ontario point). Those annoying birds started chirping a little later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: I’m not arguing with you, just telling you what I hear. It’s not going downtown because it’s too expensive to build there. Get ready for open air on the ECC South lots. Probably saves tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars in land acquisition and infrastructure costs. The big tip to me was the change of position on the Skyway (which sort of feeds into your Ontario point). Those annoying birds started chirping a little later. I hear ya... just shortsighted imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 36 minutes ago, BTB said: Since the new stadium talk started last year or the year before, I have always been for a downtown fixed roof stadium. I’m okay with losing the downtown location, but building an open air stadium would be a huge mistake. I don't disagree with this. In an ideal world, the stadium would be downtown. I also prefer fixed roof or retractable roof stadium. On the other hand, how much more would a downtown fixed roof stadium cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) For fans that want to play around with where the stadium could fit (especially the downtown option) this tool that was popular a long time ago on the old BBMB and was fun to play with. It is a bit "clunky" to get use to using. 1st thing you got to do is click on the "Pick a New Spot" link. I click the Lucas Oil Stadium. Once you do that you need to maximize the window and drag it around. For a downtown spot placing the stadium in the South Park / Louisiana / Ohio St triangle is a pretty cool spot. The parking lots are placed kitty corner in the old Perry Projects. Also the Sabres lots are available along with Riverworks (If a pedestrian bridge was built). Also pretty close to having a new train station for mass transit on Michigan and South Park. Of course the exit and entrance ramps to the thruway would need to be redesigned. It WAS one of the most popular spots years ago. Most of the land is public and the few private companies (around Miami St) look like they could be cheap. Here is the site if anyone cares. https://staging.19ideas.com/stadium/list/?page=20 PS EDIT: The site still works but it seems it is closed to submitting new locations. Edited August 5, 2021 by ColoradoBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 ^^^^^^ Lots of open land in Batavia… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, RiotAct said: ^^^^^^ Lots of open land in Batavia… turns out the pit to hell is not a popular place to live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Greg S said: Putting the tailgating aside for a second can Buffalo even handle the traffic of a Bills game. I live in NJ so I am not familiar with the landscape of Buffalo/Orchard Park. OP obviously can handle it but can Buffalo? Losing the tailgating would be terrible as Buffalo is known for having a great tailgating atmosphere. City is not known to handle heavy congestion the best I'm sure they could Technically make it work, but there's a massive difference between 19,000 people downtown for Bills game and 80,000.. and that's a lot of congestion Edited August 5, 2021 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, BillStime said: I am not a fan investing in Orchard Park where there is limited opportunity for growth and mass transit. As a fan how much were you planning on investing anyways? in·vest /inˈvest/ gerund or present participle: investing expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial plans, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, RiotAct said: ^^^^^^ Lots of open land in Batavia… Lots of room in the woods east of the current stadium. Could keep the parking lots that are currently in use, block off the Ralph, and put two new parking lots in with access via California Rd. Of course, that's where the actual native burial ground is. In those woods... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: City is not known for great traffic control I'm sure they could Technically make it work, but there's a massive difference between 19,000 people downtown for Bills game and 80,000.. and that's a lot of congestion City is not known for great traffic control? I have to disagree. any event I attended downtown other then canal side madness.. the traffic has been fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: City is not known for great traffic control? I have to disagree. any event I attended downtown other then canal side madness.. the traffic has been fine. Most times there's 15 to 30,000 people downtown maximum.. not 80 to 100,000 people Downtown Buffalo is known for radical Street design.. designed around the Olmsted Park system.. made for walking and riding bikes, not cars... It's full of one way street and not a lot of outlets It's really not made for heavy congestion It was designed around the park system back in the day.. it's more of a European Street grid.. technically designed for bicycles and walking Edited August 5, 2021 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Lots of room in the woods east of the current stadium. Could keep the parking lots that are currently in use, block off the Ralph, and put two new parking lots in with access via California Rd. Of course, that's where the actual native burial ground is. In those woods... I think that is a wives tale Ancient native burial grounds in Western New York have actually been proven to be around Forest lawn cemetery.. we took ancient native burial grounds around Buffalo Creek reservation and turned it into Forest lawn Edited August 5, 2021 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Most times there's 15 to 30,000 people downtown maximum.. not 80 to 100,000 people Downtown Buffalo is known for radical Street design.. designed around the Olmsted Park system.. made for walking and riding bikes, not cars... It's full of one way street and not a lot of outlets It's really not made for heavy congestion It was designed around the park system back in the day.. it's more of a European Street grid.. technically designed for bicycles and walking Information on it: https://www.wned.org/television/wned-productions/wned-history-productions/frederick-law-olmsted-designing-america/learn-more-olmsted/olmsteds-buffalo-park-system/ It was a system designed to integrate parks into a city. The parks could become part of the system for people leaving area on foot and bicycle but for evening/night games I do not see it becoming a factor. Street design is something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: As a fan how much were you planning on investing anyways? in·vest /inˈvest/ gerund or present participle: investing expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial plans, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture. Investing OUR tax dollars…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Information on it: https://www.wned.org/television/wned-productions/wned-history-productions/frederick-law-olmsted-designing-america/learn-more-olmsted/olmsteds-buffalo-park-system/ It was a system designed to integrate parks into a city. The parks could become part of the system for people leaving area on foot and bicycle but for evening/night games I do not see it becoming a factor. 5 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Information on it: https://www.wned.org/television/wned-productions/wned-history-productions/frederick-law-olmsted-designing-america/learn-more-olmsted/olmsteds-buffalo-park-system/ It was a system designed to integrate parks into a city. The parks could become part of the system for people leaving area on foot and bicycle but for evening/night games I do not see it becoming a factor. Street design is something different. Street design is something different. Downtown Buffalo has more one-way streets than most cities in America because that grid design Obviously the streets have been adapted for cars but the layout is the same Edited August 5, 2021 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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