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41 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

And the years not over with.. so it's not official.. this is Peak murder season in Buffalo Now .. this is when the gangs are violent

 

Wait till the year ends in Buffalo's number one again.. is third place really something to brag about

 

That's still super dangerous


Didnt you say Brown brought stability? 
 

Maybe you meant being the number 1 violent city every year?  That is pretty stable I must say. Lol

 

Anyway,I’m out…

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10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:


Didnt you say Brown brought stability? 
 

Maybe you meant being the number 1 violent city every year?  That is pretty stable I must say. Lol

 

Anyway,I’m out…

I thought Buffalo wasn't violent?  

 

Do you really think Mayor Brown has been bad for the city? Do you remember all the previous ones 

 

He brought stability because he brought the city together for the most part.. everybody loved all the work that was done downtown.. he was a democrat but moderate... Articulate .. he wasn't divisive 

 

I never said he made the city very safe.. downtown is very clean and safe which wasn't always the case 

 

I love this city. It's the reason I live here.. but I'm not blind to the negative aspects of it.. God forbid a resident has criticism

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Where did Bob Kraft want to build his new stadium?

 

Hint: it wasn't Foxborough

 

Boston Harbor near Southie. Red Sox even floated an idea for a new park there. NIMBYs killed that.

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1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

America's a capitalist society. The exact opposite of socialism

 

This is not true. America has plenty of socialism. Most of it going to the wealthy. (Remember the 2008 bailouts?)

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Just now, BUFFALOBART said:

 Enough of your "Dog Whistles":

2021 New York crime rates

"New York's violent crime rate had a slight increase this year, moving up from 3.5 per 1,000 people to 3.6. In contrast, the state's property crime rate went down from 14.4 per 1,000 people to 13.7.

Within the Mid-Atlantic region, New York had the highest violent crime rate above Pennsylvania (3.1). But it ranked in the middle for its property crime rate—close to New Jersey (13.4).

New York comes in below the national average for violent crimes and property crimes, though its violent crime rate is still close to the US average. Among all 50 states, New York had the twenty-fifth-highest violent crime rate and the sixth-lowest property crime rate."

 

https://www.safewise.com/blog/safest-cities-new-york/

 

And that's New York State as a whole not Buffalo..  

 

I know somebody who was murdered in Lovejoy a few months ago.. spend a lot of time there... Nobody would consider it a rough part of Buffalo, but I'll tell you right now it's not safe after dark

 

Again please this is my home I love this city.. a lot of people criticize the place and aren't even from here

 

This is my home, and yes places like downtown are beautiful now and North Buffalo is gorgeous.. but I have a family home on the east side... And guess what it's none of the above.. and it's a violent area

 

But I still love it

 

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5 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

 Enough of your "Dog Whistles":

2021 New York crime rates

"New York's violent crime rate had a slight increase this year, moving up from 3.5 per 1,000 people to 3.6. In contrast, the state's property crime rate went down from 14.4 per 1,000 people to 13.7.

Within the Mid-Atlantic region, New York had the highest violent crime rate above Pennsylvania (3.1). But it ranked in the middle for its property crime rate—close to New Jersey (13.4).

New York comes in below the national average for violent crimes and property crimes, though its violent crime rate is still close to the US average. Among all 50 states, New York had the twenty-fifth-highest violent crime rate and the sixth-lowest property crime rate."

 

https://www.safewise.com/blog/safest-cities-new-york/

When it was announced that the Patriots were moving to Hartford, it raised my eyebrows.

Too bad that it was nothing but a negotiating ploy.

 

It was a ploy. I don't think Hartford was ever seriously considered, despite going as far as saying they were moving. (If the Pats were really moving to Hartford the NY Giants and Jets would have had an issue.) 

 

But building new stadiums in Boston was broached before community opposition sank it. (Read that as Krafty Bob wouldn't pay off the right people. It's Bah-ston after all.)

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1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

This is not true. America has plenty of socialism. Most of it going to the wealthy. (Remember the 2008 bailouts?)

Thats not technical socialism.. though I don't agree with it..

 

I'm talking socialism by definition..

 

Definition of socialism

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property 

 

AKA no form of private ownership.. everything is state government controlled

 

Classic socialism

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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Thats not technical socialism.. though I don't agree with it..

 

I'm talking socialism by definition..

 

Definition of socialism

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property 

 

AKA no form of private ownership.. everything is state government controlled

 

Classic socialism

 

Okay, a socialist democracy. We have public works, public schools, roads and highways, power grids, etc. Rugged individualists don't build those. Government does. There are social programs, Tax increment programs to encourage development. Good government balances free enterprise with the public good. You need both or society breaks down. 

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7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

.. And guess what it's none of the above.. and it's a violent area

 

But I still love it

 

Just wondering why you still love it.

I'm not being cheeky, just wondering how you could "love" a violent place to live.

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3 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Just wondering why you still love it.

I'm not being cheeky, just wondering how you could "love" a violent place to live.

Because there's still a lot of good people there

 

A lot of history in the neighborhood,  and I believe in people for the better.. it doesn't mean I still can't see its faults

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15 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Okay, a socialist democracy. We have public works, public schools, roads and highways, power grids, etc. Rugged individualists don't build those. Government does. There are social programs, Tax increment programs to encourage development. Good government balances free enterprise with the public good. You need both or society breaks down. 

Again I don't consider taxation socialism.. founding fathers did not

 

What they were rebelling against was taxation without representation.. we do have representation

 

And of course I do think taxes for police and fire and water is a necessity.. I don't consider that socialism.. I just consider that society

 

If we didn't have representation it be a problem.. but we do.. you don't get representation in socialism

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Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Again I don't consider taxation socialism.. founding fathers did not

 

What they were rebelling against was taxation without representation.. we do have representation

 

And of course I do think taxes for police and fire and water is a necessity.. I don't consider that socialism.. I just consider that society

 

If we didn't have representation it be a problem.. but we do.. you don't get representation in socialism

 

I think you mean communism. And no they aren't the same 

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12 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I think you mean communism. And no they aren't the same 

I don't think communism and socialism are the same but they're not far off 

 

China is a socialist Communist country

 

Look at the definitions of each.. everything is controlled by the state or government ... Private ownership is frowned upon

 

Sure maybe they have an election in a socialist country.. probably as much as an election as it is in Russia or china

 

Everything put into a pot and shared equally has never worked.. people have gone from the ghetto to being the best brain surgeon in the world because capitalism works

 

That wouldn't happen at the same rate in a socialist country, and that's why we believe in capitalism.. true socialism doesn't breed genius, and it doesn't build prosperous Nations

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Buffalo's population at it peak was 580,132... the City was most definitely designed to handle more than what we see today.

 

What year was that? (for those who do not want to do their own work 1950)

What was transportation pattern including percentage of people with cars?

What percentage of population worked outside the home?

What percentage of Bills fans are from city of Buffalo?

 

I took classes at UB examining population trends and the city of Buffalo today is very different than city of Buffalo 

Rail and buses carried workers to jobs not cars so saying it was "most definitely designed to handle more" is very, very deceptive.

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13 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

What year was that? (for those who do not want to do their own work 1950)

What was transportation pattern including percentage of people with cars?

What percentage of population worked outside the home?

What percentage of Bills fans are from city of Buffalo?

 

I took classes at UB examining population trends and the city of Buffalo today is very different than city of Buffalo 

Rail and buses carried workers to jobs not cars so saying it was "most definitely designed to handle more" is very, very deceptive.


Yes, 1950.

 

Bottom line - Buffalo is in a MUCH better position to disperse people with multiple forms of transportation than Orchard Park will ever be.

 

That is why you take advantage and maximize these large transformative projects and make the most out of them so that the entire region can benefit.

 

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4 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I think that you are full of sh!t. All you do is complain.  Make your Goddamn city a better place, instead of p!ssing, and moaning about what is wrong with it.

Thank you sir

 

But How do you know what I do or don't do in my community? 

 

I'm not a saint, but I grew up with a father who would give food to the homeless around the city.. I do have a caring heart and I'll give the jacket off my back if somebody needed it

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Just now, BUFFALOBART said:

"probably as much as an election as it is in Russia or china"

You are out there, in 'Nutland', chief...

You realize you're criticizing an opinion. And I'm not the only one who thinks this way 

 

Thank God this is America where you could have that opinion.. unlike China or Russia

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