EDIT: Total cost to taxpayers? Bills select sports firm to represent ownership in building new open air stadium in OP, targeted for 2025

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

There are definitely deficiencies to be fixed at the new Rich Stadium. Sight lines were always very good at the original but there’s no arguing that they cut costs elsewhere, such as bench seats, gravel parking lots, scoreboard quality, concourse, food quality, and restroom space. Wouldn’t it be great if the new stadium retained the best things, and greatly improved upon the worst things? Oh wait…that’s what a talented design firm is hired to do. Let’s see if they do.

Of course... but People who want a fancy dome or multi-use facility are just daydreaming 

 

This is Buffalo.. a blue collar rust belt City.. we're going to get a new stadium.. but it's going to reflect that 

 

So I would be ready for open air, at the cheapest site.. which is op

Edited August 3, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Of course... but People who want a fancy dome or multi-use facility are just daydreaming 

 

This is Buffalo.. a blue collar rust belt City.. we're going to get a new stadium.. but it's going to reflect that 

 

So I would be ready for open air, at the cheapest site.. which is op

A big motivation for the NFL has to be improving the broadcast.

[BuffaloRebound]

8 minutes ago, loyal2dagame said:

People are going nuts over this stadium crap. When it's all said and done,  the Bills will still be in Buffalo and NY taxpayers will contribute whatever is reasonable.  We've been paying for the Mets, Yankees,  and part of Met Life Giants/Jets stadiums in WNY for awhile.  Nobody batted an eye....... now everyone wants complain?

Our tax dollars are paying for a stadium in New Jersey. Let that sink in. 

MetLife got zero public money but your point still stands.  This is a once in a century opportunity for Western NY.  Between all the infrastructure money that will be looking for a home and NFL owners applying pressure for new stadium, the region could be beneficiary of a game changing investment. 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

A big motivation for the NFL has to be improving the broadcast.

You could build a better press box at the new stadium

 

Just cuz other new stadiums have domes or retractable roofs doesn't mean we need to go that way...

 

It's a game with over 100 years of tradition, it's a game for the elements..  it's a blue collar, rugged fan base that embraces the elements..

 

The City of Buffalo and WNY absolutely embrace that blue collar, put in work, play under the elements type... Buffalo doesn't scream shelter me from the snow with a dome

 

 

[Warcodered]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You could build a better press box at the new stadium

 

Just cuz other new stadiums have domes or retractable roofs doesn't mean we need to go that way...

 

It's a game with over 100 years of tradition, it's a game for the elements..  it's a blue collar, rugged fan base that embraces the elements..

 

The City of Buffalo and WNY absolutely embrace that blue collar, put in work, play under the elements type... Buffalo doesn't scream shelter me from the snow with a dome

 

 

And that would allow them to the kind of camera work they do at these new stadiums?

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

And that would allow them to the kind of camera work they do at these new stadiums?

I believe that Monday night and Sunday night football Crews biggest complaints was the press box 

 

When they're building a new stadium I believe they can accommodate that yes

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Orlando Tim]

59 minutes ago, loyal2dagame said:

People are going nuts over this stadium crap. When it's all said and done,  the Bills will still be in Buffalo and NY taxpayers will contribute whatever is reasonable.  We've been paying for the Mets, Yankees,  and part of Met Life Giants/Jets stadiums in WNY for awhile.  Nobody batted an eye....... now everyone wants complain?

Our tax dollars are paying for a stadium in New Jersey. Let that sink in. 

Did NY really pay for part of Giants stadium? Or are being a smart aleck?

[gobillsinytown]

I left Buffalo for my career in 1989 so I assume a lot has changed, but I would think putting a stadium downtown would definitely drive up the cost.  And even if they planned it perfectly I would suspect traffic on game day would be brutal.  I was visiting Baltimore several years back and was downtown when the Ravens and the Orioles were playing on the same day and the whole traffic grid there was a solid seething mass of car horns.  We were lucky that we were walking.

 

I think that if they have to build a new stadium then open air in OP makes the most sense because the area has for the most part adjusted to having the stadium there and the cost would be a lot lower.

 

Hopefully all the chatter around this issue will die down enough so that it doesn't become a distraction during the season.  

 

 

[Just Joshin']

7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Is that like the high-level business meetings? And the bills bought some land in Batavia

Not Batavia, Letchworth.

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

That's right, but re imagining the Train Station, would (presumably) have the track infrastructure to drop fans off, at the doorstep.

Niagara Falls, could be a Gem, instead of a blight. It could be, again, but it would need much more, than a $1 billion stadium.

 

In order for it to be fixed Niagara Falls would need to declare war on the US and after the war the US would rebuild it like it did Germany, Japan and Korea.

Nothing else would be enough.

[PrimeTime101]

2 hours ago, loyal2dagame said:

People are going nuts over this stadium crap. When it's all said and done,  the Bills will still be in Buffalo and NY taxpayers will contribute whatever is reasonable.  We've been paying for the Mets, Yankees,  and part of Met Life Giants/Jets stadiums in WNY for awhile.  Nobody batted an eye....... now everyone wants complain?

Our tax dollars are paying for a stadium in New Jersey. Let that sink in. 

What are you even talking about? do you know what your talking about? I doubt it.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/oct/05/nfl-stadium-cost-comparison-raiders/

[BuffaloBills1998]

17 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

What are you even talking about? do you know what your talking about? I doubt it.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/oct/05/nfl-stadium-cost-comparison-raiders/

If anyone really thinks the bills are leaving then you guys are delusional. Bills aren’t going anywhere, it’s gonna come down to being 50/50. This is the same bull#### Ralph pulled with Seattle. It’s bad poker face move.

Edited August 3, 2021 by BuffaloBills1998

[PrimeTime101]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

If anyone really thinks the bills are leaving then you guys are delusional. Bills aren’t going anywhere, it’s gonna come down to being 50/50. This is the same bull#### Ralph pulled with Seattle. It’s bad poker face move.

I agree, why are you quoting me on this though?

[Rc2catch]

15 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

If anyone really thinks the bills are leaving then you guys are delusional. Bills aren’t going anywhere, it’s gonna come down to being 50/50. This is the same bull#### Ralph pulled with Seattle. It’s bad poker face move.

I don’t think they’ll leave, but Oakland, San Diego, and even St. Louis played hardball over funding the stadium and they left. Our situation is different luckily. But when you’re talking big money nothing is a given. 

2 hours ago, loyal2dagame said:

People are going nuts over this stadium crap. When it's all said and done,  the Bills will still be in Buffalo and NY taxpayers will contribute whatever is reasonable.  We've been paying for the Mets, Yankees,  and part of Met Life Giants/Jets stadiums in WNY for awhile.  Nobody batted an eye....... now everyone wants complain?

Our tax dollars are paying for a stadium in New Jersey. Let that sink in. 

Ummmm isn’t MetLife fully funded by the Jets and Giants? Pretty sure they built that with zero cost to tax payers. I don’t know about maintenance or upkeep or whatever as far as tax dollars but the stadium was fully privately funded. 

[Doc Brown]

A stadium and deal similar to the Vikings stadium is what I was hoping for in Orchard Park - $1.1B dome with the translucent roof, 45% (public) /55% (owner) split).  Plus, it's just an awesome looking stadium.

 

 

[BuffaloBills1998]

9 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I don’t think they’ll leave, but Oakland, San Diego, and even St. Louis played hardball over funding the stadium and they left. Our situation is different luckily. But when you’re talking big money nothing is a given. 

Ummmm isn’t MetLife fully funded by the Jets and Giants? Pretty sure they built that with zero cost to tax payers. I don’t know about maintenance or upkeep or whatever as far as tax dollars but the stadium was fully privately funded. 

To be fair the Rams were garbage in St. Louis post Warner. And it had been linked for quite a while that Kronke wanted out of St. Louis so it didn’t really matter if they were going to build a new stadium, he was a goner anyways. San Diego couldn’t sell out there stadium as the fans wouldn’t show up which is the same case for them in LA and Oakland is completely broke to the point where the A’s are leaving for Vegas as well. Pegula owns the Sabres, no matter what money is involved they’re staying. I guarantee Kelly, Thurman, Smith, Talley and Tasker will all have something to say about this. Pegula is trying to pull a Ralph Wilson but unlike Wilson, Pegulas Negotiation tactics are among the worst. Hence the Austin Texas destination

Edited August 3, 2021 by BuffaloBills1998

[Doc Brown]

Always entertaining....

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

37 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

A stadium and deal similar to the Vikings stadium is what I was hoping for in Orchard Park - $1.1B dome with the translucent roof, 45% (public) /55% (owner) split).  Plus, it's just an awesome looking stadium.

 

 

That would look so odd in the middle of nowhere in OP. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Always entertaining....

 

 

Even he knows the Austin threat is bull#### lol

[Punching Bag]

37 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

A stadium and deal similar to the Vikings stadium is what I was hoping for in Orchard Park - $1.1B dome with the translucent roof, 45% (public) /55% (owner) split).  Plus, it's just an awesome looking stadium.

 

 

 

 

I think that type of "dome" (it is roofed stadium not a dome) is acceptable.

Cost is less than a dome since it uses much lighter panels.

It would also give opportunity for some Arizona Cardinal like grass plots but they would also need a greenhouse for the panels.

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Even he knows the Austin threat is bull#### lol

 

But some fans don't but some enjoy being mad.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

That would look so odd in the middle of nowhere in OP. 

Exactly .

 

All of these references are to modern palaces... 

 

The architecture of Buffalo and orchard Park are the exact opposite... Those would stick out like a sore thumb anywhere in Western New York

Edited August 3, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Doc Brown]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

That would look so odd in the middle of nowhere in OP. 

Who doesn't love the changing colors of leaves in the fall?

[LeGOATski]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Exactly .

 

All of these references are to modern palaces... 

 

The architecture of Buffalo and orchard Park are the exact opposite... Those would stick out like a sore thumb anywhere in Western New York

Lucas Oil stadium is the benchmark for me when it comes to potential stadiums for Buffalo.

 

I just want it to be open air.

[Chandler#81]

Dome me!

[Chandler#81]

Wawrow -the man with connections from ‘deep within’ implies it’s probably all a crock-O-Shite..

 

[Brennan Huff]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Always entertaining....

 

 

I love Pat McAfee. Best sports show on the radio 

[Greg S]

When its all said and done the Bills will have a brand new stadium either in Buffalo or Orchard Park(most likely OP) and Bills fans will have to deal with higher ticket prices and PSL fees. 

[PromoTheRobot]

13 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said:

at 1.5 billion dollars, wouldn't that make it the most expensive stadium in the NFL?   

SoFi Stadium, where the Rams and Chargers play, cost $5B, so no.

[Sherlock Holmes]

7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Dome me!

Ok

[gobillsinytown]

43 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

SoFi Stadium, where the Rams and Chargers play, cost $5B, so no.

 

I think that's the reason they're looking at Orchard Park.  If they tried to build one downtown the cost is going to be a lot higher.  Plus if it's open air they save more money because they won't have the added expense of a dome that can handle heavy snow.  Also, OP already has the infrastructure in place and handles the traffic relatively well.  

[PromoTheRobot]

5 minutes ago, gobillsinytown said:

 

I think that's the reason they're looking at Orchard Park.  If they tried to build one downtown the cost is going to be a lot higher.  Plus if it's open air they save more money because they won't have the added expense of a dome that can handle heavy snow.  Also, OP already has the infrastructure in place and handles the traffic relatively well.  

 

$1.1B for what will be a clone of the current stadium sounds incredibly high.  Minneapolis built their glass-roofed palace US Bank Stadium right in downtown for the same price 5 years ago. In OP there would be no land acquisition costs. You could also put part of the stadium in the ground which would save some money too. A  PS&E spokesman said that figure was incorrect, but did not indicate if it was too high or too low.

[dorquemada]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

$1.1B for what will be a clone of the current stadium sounds incredibly high.  Minneapolis built their glass-roofed palace US Bank Stadium right in downtown for the same price 5 years ago. In OP there would be no land acquisition costs. You could also put part of the stadium in the ground which would save some money too. A  PS&E spokesman said that figure was incorrect, but did not indicate if it was too high or too low.

 

Agreed 100%.  It makes no sense to lay out that kind of money for something that's just a little better than what's there already.  I'd expect for that much we could at least get a retractable roof. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Put a dome in OP and cut back to 68K seats and raise the ticket prices

 

I was all for a downtown stadium but OP just makes more sense.  The cost would be far less and that savings can be used to build a dome.  Just build a similar structure to Minnesota and it will be amazing!

[May Day 10]

Give me some renderings!

[dorquemada]

9 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Give me some renderings!

 

you asked for it... here's what $1.1B gets you. 

 

[nucci]

6 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

you asked for it... here's what $1.1B gets you. 

 

is that to scale?

[dorquemada]

5 minutes ago, nucci said:

is that to scale?

 

Yes.  They said for another billion dollars they can make the grass align properly

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Wawrow -the man with connections from ‘deep within’ implies it’s probably all a crock-O-Shite..

 

 

It's interesting that a lot of people in this thread think that the leak is from the Pegulas, to scare NYS into giving them what they want. I think it's the opposite. Someone on the other side of the negotiations wants to scare the fans to create backlash against the Pegulas. Like I said earlier in the thread believe nothing that you hear at this stage of the negotiation.

[PromoTheRobot]

54 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Put a dome in OP and cut back to 68K seats and raise the ticket prices

 

I was all for a downtown stadium but OP just makes more sense.  The cost would be far less and that savings can be used to build a dome.  Just build a similar structure to Minnesota and it will be amazing!

Same here about downtown. Build a clone of US Bank stadium in OP and surround it with a hotel and retail complex. Lord knows they need more hotel options in OP.

[BuffaloBills1998]

3 hours ago, Greg S said:

When its all said and done the Bills will have a brand new stadium either in Buffalo or Orchard Park(most likely OP) and Bills fans will have to deal with higher ticket prices and PSL fees. 

More than likely it’s gonna be in OP. They had some officials talk about the stadium being in downtown and most said they would like to see it but that it wasn’t likely going to happen, because there are areas in downtown that are already owned by other people and that Pegula would have to go through them and it would Be twice as expensive. They said staying in OP is the cheapest route to go. Especially if they want an open air stadium