Bills restructure Diggs contract; create 7.8. Mill in cap space

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, NE Branch said:

OBL might've gotten to the real truth...this move is to pay off Star's "goodbye" cap hit.

That would be a double kick in the sack

[Niagara Dude]

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Beanne is going to trade for another impact player,  needs to if they want to beat KC

[YoloinOhio]

14 minutes ago, Magox said:

Most likely the majority of those funds is to lock up Josh.

I don’t think so… they don’t need cap space in 2021 to do that unless this is to roll over to next year. Seems like it would be early to have to create rollover though 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t think so… they don’t need cap space in 2021 to do that unless this is to roll over to next year. Seems like it would be early to have to create rollover though 

 

If they extend Josh now, and keep his 5th year as-is, can't they spread some of his new contract bonus into this year to lessen the hits over the life of the new contract?

 

For example, if new contract is 5 years with a $60M bonus (just making up numbers), they can spread that bonus out over all 6 years so it's a $10M/yr hit and not a $12M/year. No?

[YattaOkasan]

28 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I feel like this moreso confirms that Diggs is going to get a restructured deal next season more than it does anything else.  
 

This money could be just for Greg and the just-in-case fund.  
 

I’m personally fine with our DB’s as they held up well last season.  Plus, our pass rush is supposed to be better, which makes them better.  
 

I’d also be more than fine with them getting Ertz

This isn’t true.  Bonuses are considered supplemental income and are taxed at a higher rate.  Some companies may not code it the right way, which is why you haven’t seen it.  
 

If you go to the IRS site, they break it down more.  
 

I used to get bonuses all the time and the tax rate was closer to 40-42%

More is with held but at the end of the year its still income.  So at the end of the year it is still taxed at the same rate as provided by the example.  You just dont get as much upfront.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

Clear up some space to trade for JJ Watt

 

dont get sherlock started

 

 

1 hour ago, NE Branch said:

OBL might've gotten to the real truth...this move is to pay off Star's "goodbye" cap hit.

 

just cant see that

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

If they extend Josh now, and keep his 5th year as-is, can't they spread some of his new contract bonus into this year to lessen the hits over the life of the new contract?

 

For example, if new contract is 5 years with a $60M bonus (just making up numbers), they can spread that bonus out over all 6 years so it's a $10M/yr hit and not a $12M/year. No?

Hmmm I don’t think so, he’s entering into the 4th year of a 4 year deal. If they  extend him now they can override the 5th year option in 2022 but I think 2021 is what it is. Could be wrong. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 hours ago, aceman_16 said:

Well....I am torn between getting a player this year OR save it for next year to help with Allen's and Edmund's contracts.

 

this year, if you have the chance to win it all you take it, who knows what the situation will be next year.

 

 

[appoo]

24 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Do you mean that Diggs and Beasley compliment each other well or that they’re good complimentary pieces to another WR in an offense? 
 

Because if you’re telling me the WR who lead the NFL in catches and yards in the #2 ranked offense in the game is just a “complimentary piece” I’m going to have some questions…. 

the bills offensive system turned him into a complimentary piece. He averaged 12 YPC - 3rd lowest of his career, and about 65th in the NFL.

but that’s not meant to denigrate him in the least. He is an ELITE route runner, the best weapon in the NFL at the Z. The Bills did exactly what they should have with him - turn him into a monster under 20 yards, and clowning #1 and #2 corners in the midrange game. For someone like Josh Allen who loves to hold the ball that’s a real threat.

 

Basically Stefon Diggs is the best Z in the NFL. I only call it complementary because he enables offenses to grind first downs and convert 3rd downs, but they don’t necessarily enable explosive plays. When i looked it before, the Bills were around 10th when it came to explosive plays from the WR position.

 

And again I’m not saying that’s a bad thing - if given the choice between being a feast or famine offense (reliant on explosive plays, poor 3rd down conversion, high TD/Drive rates) or a grinding offense (chews up 1st downs, converts 3rd downs, high RZ efficiency), Id choose a grinding offense.

 

but someone like Julio, can be both focal point AND complementary, and unless we drastically change Diggs’ responsibility in this offense, you can’t say the same about him, because he’s not gonna get you those kind of explosive plays with his current role.

 

so basically I’m not saying Diggs isn’t good enough to be the focal point of the WRs and offense, but rather the Bills offense doesn’t ask him to

[H2o]

1 hour ago, NE Branch said:

OBL might've gotten to the real truth...this move is to pay off Star's "goodbye" cap hit.

 

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

 

This may be right though. Star's cap # is $9.2M in dead weight if a post June 1 cut. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 hours ago, Boxcar said:

Well, that's Hill not helping himself and showing that he's a moron more than anything. If you don't accept, it means you are intentionally hampering your team for no reason. If my work said, "here's your entire year's wages" I'd say yes too.

 

As long as i didn't get more taxes taken out.

 

 

[appoo]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

 

This may be right though. Star's cap # is $9.2M in dead weight if a post June 1 cut. 

There’s just no value in cutting Star. See what kind of shape he’s in when he gets here, and leave him on the bench until he gets in better shape. You don’t really lose anything with that, the way his contract is. 

[butch rolle]

41 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I feel like this moreso confirms that Diggs is going to get a restructured deal next season more than it does anything else.  
 

This money could be just for Greg and the just-in-case fund.  
 

I’m personally fine with our DB’s as they held up well last season.  Plus, our pass rush is supposed to be better, which makes them better.  
 

I’d also be more than fine with them getting Ertz

This isn’t true.  Bonuses are considered supplemental income and are taxed at a higher rate.  Some companies may not code it the right way, which is why you haven’t seen it.  
 

If you go to the IRS site, they break it down more.  
 

I used to get bonuses all the time and the tax rate was closer to 40-42%

The withholding is higher but not the actual tax once everything is reconciled at the time of the return being filed.  Income is income whether it comes from commissions, bonuses, or whatever.  

[Process]

7 minutes ago, appoo said:

the bills offensive system turned him into a complimentary piece. He averaged 12 YPC - 3rd lowest of his career, and about 65th in the NFL.

but that’s not meant to denigrate him in the least. He is an ELITE route runner, the best weapon in the NFL at the Z. The Bills did exactly what they should have with him - turn him into a monster under 20 yards, and clowning #1 and #2 corners in the midrange game. For someone like Josh Allen who loves to hold the ball that’s a real threat.

 

Basically Stefon Diggs is the best Z in the NFL. I only call it complementary because he enables offenses to grind first downs and convert 3rd downs, but they don’t necessarily enable explosive plays. When i looked it before, the Bills were around 10th when it came to explosive plays from the WR position.

 

And again I’m not saying that’s a bad thing - if given the choice between being a feast or famine offense (reliant on explosive plays, poor 3rd down conversion, high TD/Drive rates) or a grinding offense (chews up 1st downs, converts 3rd downs, high RZ efficiency), Id choose a grinding offense.

 

but someone like Julio, can be both focal point AND complementary, and unless we drastically change Diggs’ responsibility in this offense, you can’t say the same about him, because he’s not gonna get you those kind of explosive plays with his current role.

 

so basically I’m not saying Diggs isn’t good enough to be the focal point of the WRs and offense, but rather the Bills offense doesn’t ask him to

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[H2o]

4 minutes ago, appoo said:

There’s just no value in cutting Star. See what kind of shape he’s in when he gets here, and leave him on the bench until he gets in better shape. You don’t really lose anything with that, the way his contract is. 

This staff and FO don't play. We saw it with Dareus, Benjamin, Jones, Spain, it doesn't matter. If you aren't in the plans, or serve no purpose, then they will not be wasting a roster spot on you and have no issues working their way around the $$$ involved. 

[richNjoisy]

I can definitely see the Bills using the extra cap space to sign DL Sheldon Richardson recently released by the Browns.

 

[BuffaloRebound]

Just now, H2o said:

This staff and FO don't play. We saw it with Dareus, Benjamin, Jones, Spain, it doesn't matter. If you aren't in the plans, or serve no purpose, then they will not be wasting a roster spot on you and have no issues working their way around the $$$ involved. 

But his entire 2021 salary is guaranteed and Bills are already up against cap in 2021.  It’s actually better for Bills to pay him to stay home than to cut him.  

[Solomon Grundy]

Honestly, I think Ertz can impact this offense currently as much as Julio. Ertz being that safety valve for Josh will help keep the chains moving and eventually give Diggs/Sanders/Beasley more room to operate. Ertz will help the run game too. Although, I wouldn’t cry if they did acquire Julio

Edited June 1, 2021 by Solomon Grundy

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, H2o said:

This staff and FO don't play. We saw it with Dareus, Benjamin, Jones, Spain, it doesn't matter. If you aren't in the plans, or serve no purpose, then they will not be wasting a roster spot on you and have no issues working their way around the $$$ involved. 

McDermott seemed less than pleased in Star’s absence at his presser. If he thinks he’s dead weight on the team and will hurt more than help them due to attitude etc I could see them moving on in an addition by subtraction move. Of course I don’t know if any of that is the case 

[DrDawkinstein]

29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Hmmm I don’t think so, he’s entering into the 4th year of a 4 year deal. If they  extend him now they can override the 5th year option in 2022 but I think 2021 is what it is. Could be wrong. 

 

They wouldnt need to override the 5th year. Just tack the new contract onto the end. Much like the Eagles did with Wentz, and the Texans did with Watson. And like we did with Tre White.

 

Since they executed the 5th year option, he is technically on year 4 of a 5 year deal. Any extension would be added on after, unless they chose to override it. That 5th year is worth $23M, I dont think the average of his new contract will be any less, so might as well keep the 5th year in place and get an extra year out of it.

 

Really, my only question is if teams can spread bonuses from extensions into the existing contracts. Which I think they can do, but can't find any good evidence either way.

Edited June 1, 2021 by DrDawkinstein

[maddenboy]

2 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

This has to be to sign a newly cut player (or a trade for Ertz) and not for a Josh Extension.

 

Starting to think its a combination of these.

 

Ertz agent knows that nobody is trading for that contract.   He has a wink deal with a couple teams for after Ertz gets cut.

 

If we are one of those teams, then this is a "Show Me The Money" move.   Otherwise it didnt have to happen today.  But McBeane cant just say 'trust me, I'll have the money when the time comes.'

[The Dean]

1 hour ago, Kwai San said:

 

Nope - I get a bonus, AKA Lump Sum payout, each year - sometimes 2x a year if lucky.....each time Unkle Same "helps" himself to 48% of that bonus, AKA Lump Sum payout.  My standard rate of pay each month - yeah I get paid monthly is taxed apropos of my tax bracket (forget the % right now).  This is why I say bonus, AKA Lump Sum is most likely taxed at the higher rate of 48%.  Now I do not make millions and millions a year so I am guessing you have/had knowledge of that bracket I am not privy too.  Based on your latest reply that doesn't seem to be the case however.

 

 And this year 3 games in FL.  BUT - the Fed tax rate is what the Fed Tax rate is.  A different state doesn't change that.  State taxes will be ZERO here in FL whilst they will be what is it up too in NYS now 8%?

 

I think this is the point some others have been missing. I imagine the bonus is ALL NYS taxable.  Since he'll make a lower salary, the non state taxable amount he would have made in three games in Florida is now reduced.  If that's all true, how does it Not impact total taxes (state and federal)?

[Mickey]

They converted all that money into a signing bonus?! Wow that really hertz.

[Dablitzkrieg]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

It doesn’t seem like it would be enough money for Julio it might make sense for hertz

America 's wheels 

I'm guessing this could help when the inevitable Star retirement comes?  Just speculating.  

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

I feel like this moreso confirms that Diggs is going to get a restructured deal next season more than it does anything else.  
 

This money could be just for Greg and the just-in-case fund.  
 

I’m personally fine with our DB’s as they held up well last season.  Plus, our pass rush is supposed to be better, which makes them better.  
 

I’d also be more than fine with them getting Ertz

This isn’t true.  Bonuses are considered supplemental income and are taxed at a higher rate.  Some companies may not code it the right way, which is why you haven’t seen it.  
 

If you go to the IRS site, they break it down more.  
 

I used to get bonuses all the time and the tax rate was closer to 40-42%

They didn’t hold up well vs KC.  They got obliterated 

[H2o]

28 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

But his entire 2021 salary is guaranteed and Bills are already up against cap in 2021.  It’s actually better for Bills to pay him to stay home than to cut him.  

They don't care about the $$$. The cap can be manipulated, as we just saw again today. If's he's dead weight they will cut him loose. 

[appoo]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

They didn’t hold up well vs KC.  They got obliterated 

to be fair the Chiefs DBs in that game got to play with a different set of rules than the rest of the NFL.

 

Also the Bills WRs resembled the cast of the Walking Dead after a battle 

[BuffaloBills1998]

30 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Honestly, I think Ertz can impact this offense currently as much as Julio. Ertz being that safety valve for Josh will help keep the chains moving and eventually give Diggs/Sanders/Beasley more room to operate. Ertz will help the run game too. Although, I wouldn’t cry if they did acquire Julio

Why is everyone so infatuated with an aging TE who’s coming off the worst season of his career combined with injury issues and a hefty contract?? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Beane has to get one of the CB’s out there right?  Nelson or Sherman signing imminent would be my guess.  

 

I could be wrong but I'm unenthused at the Sherman idea.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Kwai San said:

 

Nope - I get a bonus, AKA Lump Sum payout, each year - sometimes 2x a year if lucky.....each time Unkle Same "helps" himself to 48% of that bonus, AKA Lump Sum payout.  My standard rate of pay each month - yeah I get paid monthly is taxed apropos of my tax bracket (forget the % right now).  This is why I say bonus, AKA Lump Sum is most likely taxed at the higher rate of 48%.  Now I do not make millions and millions a year so I am guessing you have/had knowledge of that bracket I am not privy too.  Based on your latest reply that doesn't seem to be the case however.

 

 And this year 3 games in FL.  BUT - the Fed tax rate is what the Fed Tax rate is.  A different state doesn't change that.  State taxes will be ZERO here in FL whilst they will be what is it up too in NYS now 8%?

 

That is your payroll system withholding that money because they use an aggregate method. You get it back when you file your taxes. Even if the bonus is considered supplemental income, the tax rate there is only 22% (or 25%?) in the end.

[BillStime]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

They didn’t hold up well vs KC.  They got obliterated 

 

If you give Pat Mahomes all day to stand there, he will pick any DBs in the league apart.  I guarantee it.

Seriously - who would hold up in coverage against Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill for the kind of time Mahomes got from us?

 

I'm not trying to say we don't need an upgrade at DB or at the very least, quality depth because I'm on record as saying we do.

 

But  IMO the big Achilles heel for our D vs KC was DL.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, appoo said:

to be fair the Chiefs DBs in that game got to play with a different set of rules than the rest of the NFL.

 

Also the Bills WRs resembled the cast of the Walking Dead after a battle 

 

That's the playoffs, been that way forever and across most sports. McDermott's team of Gentlemen need to figure that out. I bet they have.

[Einstein's Dog]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Julio is not happening. They don't have the cap space and they are not giving up a first round pick for a 32 year old WR. 

To me, the Julio talk is frustrating, it's too pie-in-the-sky for my taste.  It doesn't fit with any kind of team planning dynamic.

 

I'm mostly worried that when some posters have their irrational Julio fantasy crushed they will be angry and unleash a buzzkill to my pure euphoria of an Ertz signing.

 

 

[YattaOkasan]

49 minutes ago, appoo said:

There’s just no value in cutting Star. See what kind of shape he’s in when he gets here, and leave him on the bench until he gets in better shape. You don’t really lose anything with that, the way his contract is. 

Agree don't cut him yet.  I do want competition there.  Then maybe they can convince Star that he should return some of the money and just retire. 

 

Also all the Lolz for the poster saying that Diggs (who lead the league in targets) was just a complimentary piece in this offense.  He got thrown to more than Devin or Moss got touches.  

Edited June 1, 2021 by YattaOkasan

[dollars 2 donuts]

Cap space for Allen to the Packers for Rodgers and their 2022 2nd round pick*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* I don't know anything, at anytime, anywhere, ever.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Has anyone thought about maybe trading for TE Zack Ertz? I heard he's available. 

[YoloinOhio]

30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

They wouldnt need to override the 5th year. Just tack the new contract onto the end. Much like the Eagles did with Wentz, and the Texans did with Watson. And like we did with Tre White.

 

Since they executed the 5th year option, he is technically on year 4 of a 5 year deal. Any extension would be added on after, unless they chose to override it. That 5th year is worth $23M, I dont think the average of his new contract will be any less, so might as well keep the 5th year in place and get an extra year out of it.

 

Really, my only question is if teams can spread bonuses from extensions into the existing contracts. Which I think they can do, but can't find any good evidence either way.

I think they would prefer to override the 5th year because otherwise they take that entire 5th yr option cap hit in 2022 and the extension picks up in the 6th yr. If they extend him beforehand they can spread it out (similar to Mahomes)

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Why is everyone so infatuated with an aging TE who’s coming off the worst season of his career combined with injury issues and a hefty contract?? 

 

Because "aging" doesn't matter if you only have him for one year, and obviously people are banking on the production drop being from offensive dysfunction in Philly.

 

Whether or not you agree is a different matter.

 

[appoo]

not that worried about Star suddenly