machine gun kelly Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 8 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I think I case can be made for Singletary, Knox, Ford, Feliciano, Butler, Addison, or Wallace as it currently stands. I like you’re lost as I was going to type a similar one, but unknowns fir me are Ford and Butler. Ford hasn’t had a full year without going out for IR at LG, his natural position since HS. Butler was forced into a 1 tech DT, when he was brought in to rotate with Oliver as a 3 tech. Spot on for the others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: 100% agree (well 95%... yes Oliver is playing a lot better). Levi can be upgraded for sure but he isn't top 5 in terms of our worst starters for me. In 2020 the worst play we got was hands down our starters at the 1T. I know they get Star back this year but, as I have said before and stick with, we shouldn't just assume he steps straight back in at 31 and a year out of football and plays at the decent middle of the league level he did previously. So until proven otherwise our worst starter is at 1T. After that I'd go Knox, Ford, Addison and whichever of the two plodders is lined up in the backfield before I get to Levi. While I agree that the 1T play was weak due to Star missing and some other guys playing out of position, I think you’re missing the point. Shouldn’t a one shouldered 22 year old MLB playing in a scheme that often has only two LBs on the field be able to call the plays, and fill all 4 gaps created by the lack of a 1T while simultaneously covering Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill? If not, shouldn’t we be looking for his replacement stat? This role should be easy to fill with any of 100 yet to be named guys from the draft or free agency. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 9 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I think I case can be made for Singletary, Knox, Ford, Feliciano, Butler, Addison, or Wallace as it currently stands. Jesus H! Any of you even watch Bills games?? The team won 13 f’n games last season against a league recognized very formidable schedule! Turn in your Fan cards! All y’all! 8 hours ago, FireChans said: Cody Ford who some how gets the opportunity to bust at every single position on the Bills before we will cut his ass. Ridiculous post, yet again from you. Quite the reputation you have!🤦♂️ 8 hours ago, mushypeaches said: It's Wallace all day. He's done great for being an UDFA but it's easy to tell that his talent level isn't enough to make his starting position sustainable long-term Right, cuz being the STARTER on a Championship team is zero proof an UDFA is any good.. smfh 8 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: On defense - Edmunds - this board mostly doesn't want to accept it but he was terrible last year. I have gone back and re-watched all the games and focused on him. He was just terrible. He still takes terrible angles to the ball carrier, he wasn't that good in pass coverage, and it is not because the DL was letting him get blocked. He just played really bad. Go back and watch for yourself. Watch him have his ankles broken by Cam Newton and give up a rushing TD on a scramble he should have stopped. He did have a real nice goal line tackle and I saw one pass break up that was nice. Other than that he was out of position, slow to respond, made tackles 8 or more yard downfield, and just not a difference maker. I know there is an entire thread devoted to Edmunds but the question was asked who is the weakest starter. Even Addison contributed more than Edmunds last year. On offense - I would tend to agree with the board and say it is Ford. However Feliciano didn't play particularly well either. Morse is terrible in run blocking. Ford didn't play well in either run or pass before getting hurt. He has about 8 to 10 games before he becomes a bust. Just go away.. is everyone on the Left Coast stoned?? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, DCbillsfan said: Wallace but not sure they use Rd 1 to get his replacement. I agree. One of the good things about the zone heavy scheme that the Bills play is that they don't have to spend a lot of money on elite CBs. They already have White, so if they draft another top player then it would just be a rental until his rookie contract is up. No way would they keep both White and another elite CB. So I wouldn't see him as the "long term starter" Beane is talking about. Edited April 23, 2021 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 51 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Jesus H! Any of you even watch Bills games?? The team won 13 f’n games last season against a league recognized very formidable schedule! Turn in your Fan cards! All y’all! Assuming you’re being sarcastic? Unless you think you can make a strong case for Allen, Diggs, Sanders, Beasley, Dawkins, Morse, Williams, Hughes, Oliver, White, Poyer, or Hyde? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 I would say Wallace, but his job is harder than Knox's.....so, Knox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: On defense - Edmunds - this board mostly doesn't want to accept it but he was terrible last year. I have gone back and re-watched all the games and focused on him. He was just terrible. He still takes terrible angles to the ball carrier, he wasn't that good in pass coverage, and it is not because the DL was letting him get blocked. He just played really bad. Go back and watch for yourself. Watch him have his ankles broken by Cam Newton and give up a rushing TD on a scramble he should have stopped. He did have a real nice goal line tackle and I saw one pass break up that was nice. Other than that he was out of position, slow to respond, made tackles 8 or more yard downfield, and just not a difference maker. I know there is an entire thread devoted to Edmunds but the question was asked who is the weakest starter. Even Addison contributed more than Edmunds last year. On offense - I would tend to agree with the board and say it is Ford. However Feliciano didn't play particularly well either. Morse is terrible in run blocking. Ford didn't play well in either run or pass before getting hurt. He has about 8 to 10 games before he becomes a bust. I think you point it out, it’s his instincts. This is like the Sammy Watkins blind spot. Cannot accept that he is not an impact player. He fills a starting role and would leave a hole when he leaves, but he there is no impact there. You keep waiting for this explosion that never comes. Otherwise I agree, it’s Ford. He hasn’t been able to crack the lineup on talent from the start, and now the injuries are piling up and sapping his ability further. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Too 'shiny'. 🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: On defense - Edmunds - this board mostly doesn't want to accept it but he was terrible last year. I have gone back and re-watched all the games and focused on him. He was just terrible. He still takes terrible angles to the ball carrier, he wasn't that good in pass coverage, and it is not because the DL was letting him get blocked. He just played really bad. Go back and watch for yourself. Watch him have his ankles broken by Cam Newton and give up a rushing TD on a scramble he should have stopped. He did have a real nice goal line tackle and I saw one pass break up that was nice. Other than that he was out of position, slow to respond, made tackles 8 or more yard downfield, and just not a difference maker. I know there is an entire thread devoted to Edmunds but the question was asked who is the weakest starter. Even Addison contributed more than Edmunds last year. On offense - I would tend to agree with the board and say it is Ford. However Feliciano didn't play particularly well either. Morse is terrible in run blocking. Ford didn't play well in either run or pass before getting hurt. He has about 8 to 10 games before he becomes a bust. It's true, I don't want to accept this, about Edmunds. I also don't want to accept that the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, that the moon is made of green cheese, that the moon landing and 9/11 are hoaxes or that the Martians are coming. Sometimes there are really really really good reasons people don't want to accept things, and your view about Edmunds is one of those times. Anyway, as we know things to be now, Knox. He's young, though, and hopefully improving. Levi is my #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Offense: Dawson Knox Defense: AJ Klein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 At first I thought this thread was kind dumb but reading the responses it’s grown on me. I think the weakest spot in the lineup was whoever they thought was playing the opposite DE from Jerry Hughes. Can anyone even name him? We need a pass rush! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: At first I thought this thread was kind dumb but reading the responses it’s grown on me. I think the weakest spot in the lineup was whoever they thought was playing the opposite DE from Jerry Hughes. Can anyone even name him? We need a pass rush! We platoon on the DL. Addison starts there most, I think, without looking at snaps or anything. But the platoon means I didn't want to put anybody from the DL as nominee here. Agreed we need a serious pass rusher on the other side, certainly. Edited April 23, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: We platoon on the DL. Addison starts there most, I think, without looking at snaps or anything. But the platoon means I didn't want to put anybody from the DL as nominee here. Agreed we need a serious pass rusher on the other side, certainly. The reason they ‘platoon’ is because the starter is not capable of playing his position. Insert the word platoon at QB and see if it sounds as nice. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 The weakest guy is the one who lifts the least amount of weight. In terms of their play, probably LG. Boettger is average at best and with Ford hurt we don't know who takes that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Knox. Hands down. Wait ... does he have hands? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: I would say Wallace, but his job is harder than Knox's.....so, Knox. Wallace is the weakest link in an excellent secondary in my opinion. But, I think the guy would get a lot of picks (maybe even lead the team in picks) if this defense had any pass rush at all. I say that because of how often he gets targeted. He's not a better player than the other guys, thus he gets picked on more. Get a pass rush out there and he gets more ducks and inaccurate balls thrown his way. So defense I collectively vote (Hughes, Butler, Addison, Oliver). If those same four were to start this year, my guess is Hughes would actually end up being the weakest link. His play is rapidly declining. Offense - I agree Knox. I say that because of his inconsistency - drops too many catchable balls. If he had better hands he would be a star on this team. Offensive runner up = Mitch Morse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 #1 - knox.....mediocre pass catcher....horrible blocker #2 -wallace #3- ford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 31 minutes ago, Gugny said: Knox. Hands down. Wait ... does he have hands? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Jesus H! Any of you even watch Bills games?? The team won 13 f’n games last season against a league recognized very formidable schedule! Turn in your Fan cards! All y’all! Ridiculous post, yet again from you. Quite the reputation you have!🤦♂️ Right, cuz being the STARTER on a Championship team is zero proof an UDFA is any good.. smfh Just go away.. is everyone on the Left Coast stoned?? As usual you bring nothing to the discussion. No facts. No analysis. No point of view. Just attack others and question our fandom. I even agree with you on Wallace, but provide an argument. You can't just say he is on a championship team ( which isn’t even correct) and therefore he is good. How does that make any sense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, PolishDave said: Wallace is the weakest link in an excellent secondary in my opinion. But, I think the guy would get a lot of picks (maybe even lead the team in picks) if this defense had any pass rush at all. I say that because of how often he gets targeted. He's not a better player than the other guys, thus he gets picked on more. Get a pass rush out there and he gets more ducks and inaccurate balls thrown his way. So defense I collectively vote (Hughes, Butler, Addison, Oliver). If those same four were to start this year, my guess is Hughes would actually end up being the weakest link. His play is rapidly declining. Offense - I agree Knox. I say that because of his inconsistency - drops too many catchable balls. If he had better hands he would be a star on this team. Offensive runner up = Mitch Morse Wallace can't stay with his man. Get's burned often. That's on him, not the front 7. Morse is a good choice too. Most expensive C in the league when they bought him. He's the 5th highest salary on the team! Dud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Kelso 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Wallace can't stay with his man. Get's burned often. That's on him, not the front 7. Morse is a good choice too. Most expensive C in the league when they bought him. He's the 5th highest salary on the team! Dud. Yeah Wallace gets burned more than any of the starters in the secondary. I just remember how truly bad that position got when he was out with injury. When he came back from injury it was an instant massive upgrade there. That is what made me think he is probably not as bad as I thought he was prior to that. Get that defense a pass rush though and the number of times any defender gets smoked will decrease substantially. Continue with the Bills non-existent passrush and whoever the weakest link is in that secondary (whether named Wallace or not) is going to get smoked a lot. Right now that guy is Wallace because he is the weakest starter. Wallace is still miles above the guys under him like Norman, Neal and Lewis in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Too 'shiny'. 🤔 Looks like the gay guy in Key West who hit on me in my early 20’s wearing the same satin jacket, but his was pink. I of course did the only sensible thing after 12 beers. I told him my cousin was interested. Then sat back and laughed the whole time while he Dealt with him. my cousin after that at 4 am said, did you sick him on me? ... would I do that? The dumb things you do on spring break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: So I guess the thread should just be deleted? No, I’m just really shocked so many folks think our roster is in dire need of replacement. We’re an excellent football team! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Knox. Hands down. Wait ... does he have hands? Hands of stone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Hands of stone. Well, they say his athleticism is good...future as a boxer, or MMA if this football thing doesn't work out? 🤔 Edited April 23, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 1 Knox but I don't view him as that weak. 2 Wallace, honestly he seems to be so up and down. 3 Addison, I think we will see improvement this year with Star back. I predict over 7.5 sacks. Edited April 23, 2021 by MrSarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Addison far and away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: As usual you bring nothing to the discussion. No facts. No analysis. No point of view. Just attack others and question our fandom. I even agree with you on Wallace, but provide an argument. You can't just say he is on a championship team ( which isn’t even correct) and therefore he is good. How does that make any sense? Hey, the guy’s just a homer. No shame in that, but he’s probably disappointed that nobody started a “What jersey should I wear and what color should I paint my face” thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said: Kelso 🤔 You might have something there; he wasn't overly perceptive. Perhaps the mean UK lady should help decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 4 hours ago, BurpleBull said: Offense: Dawson Knox Defense: AJ Klein Klein was impactful when appropriately used. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: No, I’m just really shocked so many folks think our roster is in dire need of replacement. We’re an excellent football team! They are an excellent team. No one in this thread even hinted they weren't. The specific ask was who was the worst starter. No one said they need to replace Allen or Diggs or Dawkins or Poyer or White. If Winters was still starting I'm sure he would have been called out as worst starter. There is a worst starter on every team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 For whatever its worth, PFF has these grades on common suggestions: 1. M. Addison - 56.9 2. V. Butler - 56.1 3. Ike B. - 65.3 4. AJ Klein - 46.1 5. Tremaine Edmunds - 47.9 6. Cody Ford - 53.8 7. Levi Wallace - 60.1 8. Dawson Knox - 61.4 I think this aligns with reality. I think Edmunds is counted on in this defense, and he still isn't good. Occasionally, he guesses right and hits the hole and blows up a play. But largely he looks like he has marginal instincts. And Cody Ford has been a disappointment from the beginning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 34 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Klein was impactful when appropriately used. True. He came on late, but he's still the slowest and least athletic of the starting LB's and I think that could pose issues. Hopefully not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just1hugheser Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 13 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Agree natural ability it is Levi. But production on the field there are a number giving us less. The other point on Levi is for the most parts he is giving then what they want from him. Keep things in front don't allow them to beat you over the top. So a lot of balls are completed on him but rarely is he beaten by a long ball. Which when they have tried others in his spot has been an issue. Getting a more talented CB2 to allow them to be a bit more aggressive on that side of the field will help the defense but Levi has played his role better than some more talented players in other spots have played theirs. 100% agree, these are the exact reason I said he is a solid professional, he does what is asked of him and he isnt a liability. As you note they have tried other more 'talented' players who have not held up. Getting someone for me has been a priority because it does allow more flexibilty and allows us to be more aggressive if we want. Right now it almost feels like Frazier is calling the defense with that in mind, like he has at least one hand tied behind him, and he has to figure out how to mask our weaknesses more than he can play to our strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 21 hours ago, Irv said: I trust Beane will go for the best player available in the draft. We don't have a ton of holes. But, if we were drafting for position to help in 2021, who would you want to replace with a RD1 pick? Probably the guard opposite of Feliciano. Maybe Forest Lamp will be solid. 21 hours ago, Arm of Harm said: Cody Ford. Dont consider Ford a starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Well, they say his athleticism is good...future as a boxer, or MMA if this football thing doesn't work out? 🤔 I could see him as a fighter 💪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Knox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 22 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: On defense - Edmunds - this board mostly doesn't want to accept it but he was terrible last year. I have gone back and re-watched all the games and focused on him. He was just terrible. He still takes terrible angles to the ball carrier, he wasn't that good in pass coverage, and it is not because the DL was letting him get blocked. He just played really bad. Go back and watch for yourself. Watch him have his ankles broken by Cam Newton and give up a rushing TD on a scramble he should have stopped. He did have a real nice goal line tackle and I saw one pass break up that was nice. Other than that he was out of position, slow to respond, made tackles 8 or more yard downfield, and just not a difference maker. I know there is an entire thread devoted to Edmunds but the question was asked who is the weakest starter. Even Addison contributed more than Edmunds last year. On offense - I would tend to agree with the board and say it is Ford. However Feliciano didn't play particularly well either. Morse is terrible in run blocking. Ford didn't play well in either run or pass before getting hurt. He has about 8 to 10 games before he becomes a bust. Ba ha ha ha ha Terrible players don't make it to the pro bowl. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said: Ba ha ha ha ha Terrible players don't make it to the pro bowl. Lol...even Chandler 81 would probably agree Edmunds didn't deserve the ProBowl this year and it was a vote based on reputation not performance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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