Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 35 minutes ago, BillsVet said: ST spending isn't the main driver of their cap issues, but it's a contributing cause to why they're up against it without paying the QB or his top receiving target. Can you explain this a little more? Upthread, @JGMcD2 did some careful work and came up with the Bills spending $5M on ST-specific players. Without doing the same careful work he did, I woulda said ST-specific players last season included (2020 salaries) Roberts ($2.3M), Taiwan Jones ($1.75M), and Matakevich ($3.4M) so $7.45M - I may be considering incentives that weren't reached etc and overestimating. I'm not considering punter, kicker, and long snapper as every team carries one, and the Bills clearly made the decision to bail and move on when confronted with a punter who wanted top-dawg-dollars. That's 3.8% of the 2020 cap. Care to explain how 3.8% is a significant "contributing cause" to being up against the cap without paying the QB/top receiver? I mean, that's basically like "cut Trent Murphy last year instead of paying him to sit, Covered It" level. If we're looking for significant cap management issues that interfere with paying the QB and his top receiving target, paying high dollar to an 11 man rotation of primarily free agent defensive linemen ($52M in 2020 per Spotrac, #1 in the league) is a far more significant issue. That's 24% of the cap right there on 11 guys, and only 3 home-grown talents among the top 8 man rotation. And none of them appear able to consistently "affect the QB" against the top OLs in the league. ST looks like "chump change" to me by NFL standards, but also an area where the Bills may be pulling their belt in a bit this year - we'll see. Quote Eventually the strategy needs to come in-line with reality. They'll need to find rookies and vet minimum guys who aren't making 2-3M to play on the kickoff/punt units. Or, replace players looking to cash in with rookies. The ST unit is already primarily rookies and vet minimum guys, but the good teams all seem to have a handful of core "specialists" whose job it is to educate the rest on the details of their roles and herd the the cats into line. 1 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 20 hours ago, Logic said: Here are Rick Gosselin’s special teams rankings for 2020. He’s been doing this a long time and is the best in the biz. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/.amp/nfl/rick-gosselins-2020-nfl-special-teams-rankings Six of the top nine were playoff teams, and the number one team was the Patriots. It seems like Bill Belichick knows a thing or two about what’s important to winning in the NFL, and it seems like special teams success correlates directly to one’s likelihood of winning enough football games to qualify for the postseason. Weep. Tell me how a WR6 and RB4 should be kept more for their ability to play 4 snaps a game on offense than for their ability to play on punt coverage, kick coverage, punt return, and kick return teams. You can’t, because it’s a ridiculous opinion. This should be the post to end the thread... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 20 hours ago, FireChans said: Please count how many snaps per game are played on special teams vs offense and defense. Thanks for playing. “Third of the game” is another tired dead cliche repeated by meat head boomer head coaches. I guess you are not a McDermott fan because he uses that term all the time. It doesn't mean they have equal snap counts but that there are 3 separate units to your football team. Our special teams salaries don't even come close to our offense and defensive units salaries; so that tells you where our main importance lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 You say this until a music city miracle happens to you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I think special teams might be the most nerve wracking part of the game. Especially punts - kicking and receiving. So many things can go wrong. Shanks, missed blocks, penalties (holding on returns are the worst), poor fielding decisions, muffed catch, the dreaded run back, etc, etc. Good players make for good special teams, which create good field position and a very important ingredient for winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Can you explain this a little more? Upthread, @JGMcD2 did some careful work and came up with the Bills spending $5M on ST-specific players. Without doing the same careful work he did, I woulda said ST-specific players last season included (2020 salaries) Roberts ($2.3M), Taiwan Jones ($1.75M), and Matakevich ($3.4M) so $7.45M - I may be considering incentives that weren't reached etc and overestimating. I'm not considering punter, kicker, and long snapper as every team carries one, and the Bills clearly made the decision to bail and move on when confronted with a punter who wanted top-dawg-dollars. That's 3.8% of the 2020 cap. Care to explain how 3.8% is a significant "contributing cause" to being up against the cap without paying the QB/top receiver? I mean, that's basically like "cut Trent Murphy last year instead of paying him to sit, Covered It" level. If we're looking for significant cap management issues that interfere with paying the QB and his top receiving target, paying high dollar to an 11 man rotation of primarily free agent defensive linemen ($52M in 2020 per Spotrac, #1 in the league) is a far more significant issue. That's 24% of the cap right there on 11 guys, and only 3 home-grown talents among the top 8 man rotation. And none of them appear able to consistently "affect the QB" against the top OLs in the league. ST looks like "chump change" to me by NFL standards, but also an area where the Bills may be pulling their belt in a bit this year - we'll see. The ST unit is already primarily rookies and vet minimum guys, but the good teams all seem to have a handful of core "specialists" whose job it is to educate the rest on the details of their roles and herd the the cats into line. I said the ST spending it is a contributing and not a root cause of their issues. In my experience there is a difference, but I can understand some might not read it the way I explained. At the same time, my issue with your analysis remains that you always know the cost to the discussion, but lack the understanding of the value. Aside from field goals, special teams is being minimized in overall strategy. Punt and kick return games have been clipped (no pun intended) by virtue of rules changes and needing these specialist types isn't essential like 10 years ago when formations weren't outlawed. Moreover, when I look at ST snap counts, I see more than just those specialists who were acquired as vets and primarily contribute there. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2020-snap-counts.htm You've made the point that the cap unexpectedly decreased given the anomaly of the pandemic's affects on NFL finances. Understood. But between Matakevich, Andre Smith, Dean Marlowe, Taiwan Jones, Reggie Gilliam, and Andre Roberts, the team spent about 9M on ST specific type players. And @BADOLBILZ has already pointed out how there is a development issue employing multiple specialists who do not typically play outside of ST. They prevent younger players from seeing the field and there's really no quantifying that either. That's the value piece. I also disagree that 9M is chump change and, about represents ~5% of the cap dollars allotted this year. It would have come in handy this year. If we're talking root cause, spending on defense (at the risk of belaboring the issue) is a root cause of their cap management challenges. You've answered the question, which I've done in another thread as well. That will become a major issue by next year when it's clear McD will need to yield on signing all these big dollar contracts and using high(er) draft picks on defense. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Aside from field goals, special teams is being minimized in overall strategy. Punt and kick return games have been clipped (no pun intended) by virtue of rules changes and needing these specialist types isn't essential like 10 years ago when formations weren't outlawed. Moreover, when I look at ST snap counts, I see more than just those specialists who were acquired as vets and primarily contribute there. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2020-snap-counts.htm Fair point. Quote You've made the point that the cap unexpectedly decreased given the anomaly of the pandemic's affects on NFL finances. Understood. But between Matakevich, Andre Smith, Dean Marlowe, Taiwan Jones, Reggie Gilliam, and Andre Roberts, the team spent about 9M on ST specific type players. And @BADOLBILZ has already pointed out how there is a development issue employing multiple specialists who do not typically play outside of ST. They prevent younger players from seeing the field and there's really no quantifying that either. That's the value piece. I think Matakevich and Smith are looked at as developmental linebackers. They saw extensive playing time against Miami; Dodson was healthy so I think the former has overtaken Dodson as the primary backup to Edmunds. It's pretty common for teams to play developmental linebackers on ST. Smith fits the Pittsburgh "Linebacker U" profile of a player who sits in the room and plays scout team/ST for a couple years then in his 3rd/4th year starts mixing it in. Matakevich is a bit longer in the tooth to be considered there. He was 100% recruited for his ST chops, I give you that. Dean Marlowe is the backup safety and saw extensive snaps on defense when Hyde was injured in a game. He had an important role as such, and also regularly saw defensive snaps in different formations. Gilliam was a rookie, and regularly saw offensive snaps - 5%-ish at the start of the season and 10-20% until he got injured. I don't see how you can call him a "ST specific type player", he seems like the reverse, the cheap rookie you want them to fill out the ST roster with while he's learning the game and seeing if he can take a step. Quote I also disagree that 9M is chump change and, about represents ~5% of the cap dollars allotted this year. It would have come in handy this year. I think you're padding your list above to get to that figure. Teams need backups at positions like LB and safety. Roberts, Taiwan Jones (the gunner) and Matakevich are genuinely players who were brought in for their ST chops alone. But 3.7% vs 5% seems like a quibble to me. Quote If we're talking root cause, spending on defense (at the risk of belaboring the issue) is a root cause of their cap management challenges. You've answered the question, which I've done in another thread as well. That will become a major issue by next year when it's clear McD will need to yield on signing all these big dollar contracts and using high(er) draft picks on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Would you rather have a 6th LB or DB that never ever sees the field or someone who can at least impact one facet of the game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Fair point. I think Matakevich and Smith are looked at as developmental linebackers. They saw extensive playing time against Miami; Dodson was healthy so I think the former has overtaken Dodson as the primary backup to Edmunds. It's pretty common for teams to play developmental linebackers on ST. Smith fits the Pittsburgh "Linebacker U" profile of a player who sits in the room and plays scout team/ST for a couple years then in his 3rd/4th year starts mixing it in. Matakevich is a bit longer in the tooth to be considered there. He was 100% recruited for his ST chops, I give you that. Dean Marlowe is the backup safety and saw extensive snaps on defense when Hyde was injured in a game. He had an important role as such, and also regularly saw defensive snaps in different formations. Gilliam was a rookie, and regularly saw offensive snaps - 5%-ish at the start of the season and 10-20% until he got injured. I don't see how you can call him a "ST specific type player", he seems like the reverse, the cheap rookie you want them to fill out the ST roster with while he's learning the game and seeing if he can take a step. I think you're padding your list above to get to that figure. Teams need backups at positions like LB and safety. Roberts, Taiwan Jones (the gunner) and Matakevich are genuinely players who were brought in for their ST chops alone. But 3.7% vs 5% seems like a quibble to me. I think we are, for the most part in agreement. ST is not the major driver of cap issues, but a key ingredient of a McD coached team. We'll find out whether that can be maintained long term because McD is gonna be here long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 The only three non-rookie deal guys who were here entirely for their special teams play in 2020 were Matakevich, Roberts and Jones. Andre Smith was on the entry level minimum, Reggie Gilliam, Jaquan Johnson, Daryl Johnson and Siran Neal are on rookie deals (and already squarely fit in the "Bills must find special teams value with cheap draft picks) and Dean Marlowe is a backup safety who places Special Teams. Not a Special Teamer who player safety. Whoever was in that 3rd safety slot would play a fair bit on teams. The Bills have let Roberts walk this year (we had him at $2m per year, the Texans are paying him closer to $3m AAV) and let Bojo walk rather than pay him. There is nothing about their roster building on special teams that is inconsistent with other successful teams and one consistency is you don't win Championships with bad special teams. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 On 3/18/2021 at 4:18 PM, FireChans said: This is lunacy. This is idiotic. Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? It flies in the face of modern NFLdom. Rule changes have basically eliminated the return game. Why are we signing top end STers to prop up this phase, instead of dedicating more money to the other phases that actually matter? The ST coach’s job on a team that’s contending should be to coach up a bunch of cheap backups and late round draft picks into a decent unit. Not need dedicated gunners being signed to modest contracts. It’s upsetting to say the least. Congratulations on creating the most one-sided disliked threat I think I've ever seen... Considering all the things posted on here, that's quite the accomplishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, BillsVet said: I think we are, for the most part in agreement. ST is not the major driver of cap issues, but a key ingredient of a McD coached team. We'll find out whether that can be maintained long term because McD is gonna be here long term. But it’s not really agreement unless you’re backing off of many of your claims. You’re just wrong and slowly coming around to it. you (and the OP, who’s somehow disappeared from this discussion) said it WAS detrimental to the cap, so much so that it’s hurting the team. Edited March 20, 2021 by JoPoy88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: But it’s not really agreement unless you’re backing off of many of your claims. You’re just wrong and slowly coming around to it. you (and the OP, who’s somehow disappeared from this discussion) said it WAS detrimental to the cap, so much so that it’s hurting the team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 I don't even no why this thread isn't locked. The world hates this thread and what is contributing to just a horrible thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 On 3/18/2021 at 5:40 PM, TBBills said: Chargers were #1 and #2 in offense and defense but couldn't make the playoffs one year b.c they were last in ST (forget what year that was) Your logic is Garbage and you shouldn't have posting this horrible thread. Now,now ....don't want to be construed as "abusive" or hurt anyone's feelings ..but I think he might trying to demonstrate his sophisticated wit and could be pulling our legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 I dont need to read this thread to know the OP decided to run with a hot take and it is likely a decision he/she now regrets......I mean why would an NFL team NOT want to focus on special teams they are essential to a winning franchise and those depth players may well be starters due to injury to offensive or defensive starters at some point as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 I've always said this about punters, but it goes for all special teams as well. You don't care about them (or don't think about their worth) until you don't have a good one. And then it becomes painfully obvious how important they are. Field position is a huge component of the game and when your special teams stink, you will probably be on the losing end of the field position battle in any given game. Does the OP not remember 2018 when our roster was depleted (to fix the cap situation)? Special teams directly cost us three wins that season, imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 3/19/2021 at 2:36 PM, KingBoots8 said: You say this until a music city miracle happens to you. You should be banned for being that up😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponch Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/18/2021 at 5:27 PM, FireChans said: Can we please stop living 30 years in the past? ”Granted the league was completely different, the rules were completely different, the strategy was completely different and the coaches were even stupider than they were today.” So basically, who cares? Who kicked your dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 22 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You should be banned for being that up😀 Lol I only did it because, as the quote goes, “those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.” id rather invest a little bit more into ST to ensure we have the right people to avoid that happening again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Matakevich played 343 special teams snaps, according to Pro Football Reference, and that was 76% of our special teams snaps. Doing the math shows gets us 451.315 special teams snaps, either 451 or 452. The defense had either 1070 or 1071 snaps, and the offense 1086 or 1087. So the STs had about 42% of the number of snaps that the offense had. And took up about 5% of the cap. This isn't a problem. The Matakevich play where they hit an onside kick during the middle of the game, and Matakevich was our only player not caught flat-footed, and he made the play was a beautiful example of why you need guys like this. It didn't show up in the stats, one kick return for zero yards, but it was crucial in that Pats game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 36 minutes ago, Ponch said: Who kicked your dog? Taiwan Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 When this team returns a kick to take the lead in the Super Bowl next year he’s gonna feel embarrassed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/20/2021 at 3:36 AM, KingBoots8 said: You say this until a music city miracle happens to you. Yup. STs are never important ... until they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 48 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: Lol I only did it because, as the quote goes, “those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.” id rather invest a little bit more into ST to ensure we have the right people to avoid that happening again. I am with ya and think the OP is overreacting completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/18/2021 at 6:33 PM, pennstate10 said: It's not 1/3 of the game. Thats like saying Canada has 1/3 the population of North America. It doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Matakevich played 343 special teams snaps, according to Pro Football Reference, and that was 76% of our special teams snaps. Doing the math shows gets us 451.315 special teams snaps, either 451 or 452. The defense had either 1070 or 1071 snaps, and the offense 1086 or 1087. So the STs had about 42% of the number of snaps that the offense had. And took up about 5% of the cap. This isn't a problem. The Matakevich play where they hit an onside kick during the middle of the game, and Matakevich was our only player not caught flat-footed, and he made the play was a beautiful example of why you need guys like this. It didn't show up in the stats, one kick return for zero yards, but it was crucial in that Pats game. In other words, STs contributed to ~20% of the total snaps we played. We waste cap space and roster spots on players that are dedicated STers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: In other words, STs contributed to ~20% of the total snaps we played. We waste cap space and roster spots on players that are dedicated STers Yeah, and in more other words, the offense contributed to about 40% of the total snaps we played. Clearly we waste cap space on these guys as they don't even play a majority of the snaps. Sorry, man, your argument is dumb. When STs guys play about 20% of the snaps, scoring most of the points and having a major impact on special teams, and you're paying less than 5% of the cap money, that's a bargain, not a waste. Edited March 22, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, and in more other words, the offense contributed to about 40% of the total snaps we played. Clearly we waste cap space on these guys as they don't even play a majority of the snaps. Sorry, man, your argument is dumb. When STs guys play about 20% of the snaps, scoring most of the points and having a major impact on special teams, and you're paying less than 5% of the cap money, that's a bargain, not a waste. Scoring most of the points??? In what universe is Taiwan and the boys scoring most of the points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, FireChans said: In other words, STs contributed to ~20% of the total snaps we played. We waste cap space and roster spots on players that are dedicated STers Listen. The only guy on the team that you could argue was only signed this off season for special teams is Taiwan Jones. One player. Matakevitch showed last year he's a decent backup LB, Neal is a good 6th DB in addition to being a beats on ST. To rant about essentially one player who is really good on ST is ridiculous. Put another way, when you're the only person who claims 2 + 2 = 5, and everyone else shows you that 2 + 2 = 4 and give you the reasons why, you might want to listen instead of howling at the moon that it's 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekills17 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 48 minutes ago, FireChans said: In other words, STs contributed to ~20% of the total snaps we played. We waste cap space and roster spots on players that are dedicated STers That math would say we should spend 20% of the cap space and roster on ST if we're using your analogy. Most here who disagree with you and feel ST emphasis *is* important don't advocate for that much money. Who's side are you on anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, timekills17 said: That math would say we should spend 20% of the cap space and roster on ST if we're using your analogy. Most here who disagree with you and feel ST emphasis *is* important don't advocate for that much money. Who's side are you on anyway? The winning side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 ST accounted for 141 kicking points and a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: ST accounted for 141 kicking points and a TD. Every team has to field a kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, and in more other words, the offense contributed to about 40% of the total snaps we played. Clearly we waste cap space on these guys as they don't even play a majority of the snaps. Sorry, man, your argument is dumb. When STs guys play about 20% of the snaps, scoring most of the points and having a major impact on special teams, and you're paying less than 5% of the cap money, that's a bargain, not a waste. C’mon. Of those 20 percent of ST plays, more than half (kickoff touchbacks on both sides of the ball, xps on both sides of the ball, gimme fgs on both sides of the ball) have outcomes that are basically predetermined before the snap. If there is a missed kick on the xp or short fg, that’s pretty much all on the kicker and the matakeviches of the world have zero effect on the outcome. I am not saying ST is unimportant at all, but let’s not exaggerate. Edited March 22, 2021 by dave mcbride 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 14 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Matakevich played 343 special teams snaps, according to Pro Football Reference, and that was 76% of our special teams snaps. Doing the math shows gets us 451.315 special teams snaps, either 451 or 452. The defense had either 1070 or 1071 snaps, and the offense 1086 or 1087. So the STs had about 42% of the number of snaps that the offense had. And took up about 5% of the cap. This isn't a problem. The Matakevich play where they hit an onside kick during the middle of the game, and Matakevich was our only player not caught flat-footed, and he made the play was a beautiful example of why you need guys like this. It didn't show up in the stats, one kick return for zero yards, but it was crucial in that Pats game. That's over 20 snaps a gm that number seems a little high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, BillsFan1988 said: That's over 20 snaps a gm that number seems a little high. There are a lot of extra point plays in a 35-28 game. That's nine alone, plus there also another 11 kickoffs (9 scores plus the 2 half openers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, dave mcbride said: There are a lot of extra point plays in a 35-28 game. That's nine alone, plus there also another 11 kickoffs (9 scores plus the 2 half openers). Punts as well. But those blocking units really don't affect the gm most st players can handle those plays with ease. Matekavish gets more then our kicker and punter combined I think that's too much. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Every team has to field a kicker. Every team also has special teamers who predominantly do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytownblofan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 hours ago, FireChans said: In other words, STs contributed to ~20% of the total snaps we played. We waste cap space and roster spots on players that are dedicated STers Ok, so lets take the $ aspect out of it and look at purely roster numbers. 11 starters on offense 11 starters on defense So 22 total starters. Now, lets give each position a backup, we are at 44 players of 53. Add in kicker, LS, and Punter, 47. That leaves 6 players left on the 53. I'll even grant a 3rd qb. So 5 players left that are not starters or backups. What should those 5 players excel at in order to earn a roster spot? The easy and clear answer is special teams. Why roster 5 guys that are not going to see the field on O or D and have no value on teams? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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