Texans' Deshaun Watson accused of indecent conduct in civil lawsuit; QB denies wrongdoing

[GunnerBill]

36 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Exactly.  I am not sure why this is even a thing right now.  I also agree with the Texans stance.  If I am the GM there I want everything and more.  Teams only get a QB of Watson's ability once every 20 years.   If I cant get 3+ first round picks, plus players in return, then he can sit at home or retire.  He signed the contract very recently, it was the same owner then. 

 

I think the piece teams were doing in the spring is their due diligence on criminal charges. There were organisations willing to take him on so long as the allegations against him remained of a civil only nature. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/26/texans-reportedly-are-willing-to-listen-to-trade-offers-for-deshaun-watson/ wonder if Miami is now going to try and pull the trigger?

Edited July 26, 2021 by BuffaloBills1998

[Bobby Hooks]

Eesch, seems a little late, IMO. The amount they could have gotten back has dramatically lowered. 
 

I wonder if they’ve heard some bad news that’s driving their choice now. Would be very difficult to get a team to commit to moving serious assets for him now with the cases still pending. 
 

Especially if it’s true their asking price is three first round picks. 

Edited July 26, 2021 by Bobby Hooks

[Jobot]

Not sure what universe people think we exist in.  I don't see anything possibly working out before the legal situation is resolved.

[Malazan]

They need to get Watson to settle his case before they're going to get a lot of interest and even then it's going to need time. Trading him now is not going to get them good value on the trade. 

 

They need him to settle that case now, let him play through the year and hope he has a decent season despite how the team plays and then trade him next offseason. 

 

Unfortunately for their fans, Watson seems like a scumbag torpedoing his value and the team has handled pretty much everything as badly as possible. 

Edited July 26, 2021 by jeremy2020

[Rochesterfan]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/26/texans-reportedly-are-willing-to-listen-to-trade-offers-for-deshaun-watson/ wonder if Miami is now going to try and pull the trigger?

 

I doubt it and in reality - this seems like Houston trying to regain some control as I think they were hoping he would hold out on his demands to never play in Houston again.

 

Since he is going to report and his crimes seem bad - they will offer up - yep we are looking to trade him, but I don’t think it is sincere- just makes a better headline. 
 

We are letting him come in and looking to move on - rather than the truth - he is most likely our starting QB until something else drops.

[Southern Bills Fan]

What team is going to invest all those resources to make him the face of the franchise? His legal problems aren't settled yet and it would be a PR nightmare to bring him in.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

They need to get Wilson to settle his case before they're going to get a lot of interest and even then it's going to need time. Trading him now is not going to get them good value on the trade. 

 

They need him to settle that case now, let him play through the year and hope he has a decent season despite how the team plays and then trade him next offseason. 

 

Unfortunately for their fans, Wilson seems like a scumbag torpedoing his value and the team has handled pretty much everything as badly as possible. 

 

Watson?

 

Wilson has no cases against him.  If you’re gonna call someone a scumbag, you might want to get their name correct

 

7 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

I doubt it and in reality - this seems like Houston trying to regain some control as I think they were hoping he would hold out on his demands to never play in Houston again.

 

Since he is going to report and his crimes seem bad - they will offer up - yep we are looking to trade him, but I don’t think it is sincere- just makes a better headline. 
 

We are letting him come in and looking to move on - rather than the truth - he is most likely our starting QB until something else drops.

 

I don’t follow this last part

[NoHuddleKelly12]

I think Houston is happy to move on with their current QB room as Watson not playing will buy their FO/new HC some breathing room anyway, and if they tank this season they should be sitting even prettier come next draft to make a move for a new franchise guy, in the event that Davis Mills doesn't show out enough after he (inevitably) starts following Taylor's just as inevitable season-ending injury...no matter what the rumors are concerning the price point, they will adjust the ask to get what they can for him and move on from there, imho.

[Rochesterfan]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Watson?

 

Wilson has no cases against him.  If you’re gonna call someone a scumbag, you might want to get their name correct

 

 

I don’t follow this last part

 

I believe that both Watson and Houston know that Watson will be the starting QB at some point this season for Houston because the trade value is not there.

 

I also think that the team wants to make it look like to the fan base that they are looking at trade options because Watson seems toxic in the community.  I think they are just trying to find optics to get through the first few days/weeks until everything settles down.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

Well the latest of a million rumors is Philly. Funny they have the least cap of all 32 teams, but NO has proven over and over you can always find it.  
 

Outside of Dallas the whole NFC least could use him.  Perfect for us to lose him to the NFC and we don’t face the least for two years.  Those not respecting his talent is a fools errand.  I don’t like his personal choices as how could you, but I respect his abilities.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I believe that both Watson and Houston know that Watson will be the starting QB at some point this season for Houston because the trade value is not there.

 

I also think that the team wants to make it look like to the fan base that they are looking at trade options because Watson seems toxic in the community.  I think they are just trying to find optics to get through the first few days/weeks until everything settles down.

 

 

 

That makes some sense then, Thanks for explaining.

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I believe that both Watson and Houston know that Watson will be the starting QB at some point this season for Houston because the trade value is not there.

 

I also think that the team wants to make it look like to the fan base that they are looking at trade options because Watson seems toxic in the community.  I think they are just trying to find optics to get through the first few days/weeks until everything settles down.

 

 

 

 

After watching Kobe Bryant survive his rape case and become maybe the most beloved athlete in sport............who is to say that Watson can't wriggle his way out of this entirely?

 

He should play the season in Houston and re-build his rep.    

 

That would be for the best for us as Bills fans too.   With him at QB the Texans gave Indy and Tennessee some very tough games.........if they can steal a win or two against those teams this year that might help the Bills wrt playoff seeding.

 

 

[Gugny]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

After watching Kobe Bryant survive his rape case and become maybe the most beloved athlete in sport............who is to say that Watson can't wriggle his way out of this entirely?

 

He should play the season in Houston and re-build his rep.    

 

That would be for the best for us as Bills fans too.   With him at QB the Texans gave Indy and Tennessee some very tough games.........if they can steal a win or two against those teams this year that might help the Bills wrt playoff seeding.

 

 

 

Kobe was accused by one woman and I think it was pretty clear that it was consensual.

 

Watson's accuser count is in the double-digits.

 

Not a great comparison.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Kobe was accused by one woman and I think it was pretty clear that it was consensual.

 

Watson's accuser count is in the double-digits.

 

Not a great comparison.

 

But at the moment there remains no sign of criminal charges. Like it or not (and it does leave an unpleasant taste) if there are no criminal charges brought he will continue his career. 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But at the moment there remains no sign of criminal charges. Like it or not (and it does leave an unpleasant taste) if there are no criminal charges brought he will continue his career. 

it may even continue relatively uninterrupted. We will see.

 

if he could land in a place that’s a bit of a media black hole, that may help. But winning cures a lot and he’s a very good qb.

 

I would not be shocked to

see a big package with playing time qualifiers on the first rounders. 

[CNYfan]

I have held from the beginning that the Aaron Rodgers sideshow was a diversion by the League to keep the press off Deshaun and  help it go away 

[Dablitzkrieg]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31890699/two-women-new-allegations-10-file-police-complaints-texans-qb-deshaun-watson

 

[Beast]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31890699/two-women-new-allegations-10-file-police-complaints-texans-qb-deshaun-watson

 

 

It appears Watson now has serious problems.

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

It appears Watson now has serious problems.

So now this becomes a criminal case?

[maddenboy]

On 7/26/2021 at 3:39 AM, GunnerBill said:

If he is traded my understanding was before everything cooled off in the spring the Panthers were the team at the head of the chase. Their view is allegedly if he doesn't face criminal charges they want him, hence they didn't draft a guy they took a flier on Sam Darnold. That isn't to say Miami couldn't re-emerge but it is by no means a done deal that if he is traded it is to the Dolphins.

I will re-state my prediction from a the day the Panthers acquired Darnold.  Because I agreed the Panthers were most likely for Watson.

 

Panthers still want Watson.  Panthers gauge that Texans will accept Darnold in trade, plus/minus whatever extras are negotiated.  Panthers guage that Texans would prefer Darnold over any QB that the Panthers could have drafted this year.

 

Texans can sell Darnold to the fanbase, as a rising QB (now removed from the stink of the Jets) with starter experience, and All-America somethingorother. 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by maddenboy

[Beast]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

So now this becomes a criminal case?

 

Looks like it.

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

 

It appears Watson now has serious problems.

Always did.  There is zero chance he is innocent based on the number of victims.  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

 

Looks like it.

He’s not playing this year.  

[Putin]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He’s not playing this year.  

After what he did to all those women I hope  he never plays again 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So now this becomes a criminal case?

 

I don’t think charges have been filed.  The women have made criminal complaints, but except in wierd states like PA it’s “up to” the prosecutor to decide whether or not the complaint rises to a prosecutable crime.

 

Perhaps one of our lawyer types will set me straight if I’m mistaken

14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He’s not playing this year.  

 

I actually think any NFL action, following their usual pattern, would not take place until after the civil case completes.  The link said 

Watson wasn’t even scheduled to testify in that case until January.

 

Of course, if criminal charges are actually filed that could change things.

[78thealltimegreat]

If Zeke Elliott got 8 games for something he was never charged with in college this at least merits a full year at a minimum 

[Beast]

49 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He’s not playing this year.  

 

Yeah, I don't see how but this is the NFL so who knows? This screams Commissioners exempt list until it gets sorted.

Edited July 27, 2021 by Beast

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 7/25/2021 at 12:45 PM, Albany,n.y. said:

Every time Tyrod thinks he's going to be his team's starter, they yank the ball away like Lucy does to Charlie Brown. 

"Just when I thought I was in...they pull me back out!"

It's the Bizarro world of Tyrod Taylor!

Edited July 27, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

11 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

What team is going to invest all those resources to make him the face of the franchise? His legal problems aren't settled yet and it would be a PR nightmare to bring him in.

🤔

Bad reputation and bad optics of multiple litigants?  A QB?  This has Raiders written all over it! 😁

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don’t think charges have been filed.  The women have made criminal complaints, but except in wierd states like PA it’s “up to” the prosecutor to decide whether or not the complaint rises to a prosecutable crime.

 

Perhaps one of our lawyer types will set me straight if I’m mistaken

 

Correct. The police will look at allegations made. I understand there was already an active file. At some point they will need to decide to put that file in front of a prosecutor when they feel it is strong enough and a decision on criminal charges is ultimately the prosecutors. 

[PatsFanNH]

10 hours ago, Putin said:

After what he did to all those women I hope  he never plays again 

Except there seems be no proof of what they said happening. Also he has still not been charged for that reason.  What I hate about things now people are tried on social media and the damn press before they are even charged with a dang thing. Pretty much guaranteeing a polluted jury pool. 

[YoloinOhio]

43 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Except there seems be no proof of what they said happening. Also he has still not been charged for that reason.  What I hate about things now people are tried on social media and the damn press before they are even charged with a dang thing. Pretty much guaranteeing a polluted jury pool. 

I’m no legal expert but the fact that two of the 10 bringing criminal cases did not file civil cases is a bad sign for him. And isnt a jury purposely selected to contain people who are not previously aware of the case? Not sure there is a “guarantee” it would be polluted. I randomly asked my cousin a couple weeks who lives in LA if she knew who he was as the situation had come up in conversation. and she said no. I’m sure they can get a clean jury together. Ultimately whether he’s charged and convicted is not part and parcel to his football future. If he’s considered good enough he will likely come back and play even if he goes to jail.  Only thing is Andy Reid already has a QB.

 

I am most curious right now as to what Roger does with the exempt list. They can’t really roll him out there representing the shield with 20+ Cases filed against him?

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I am most curious right now as to what Roger does with the exempt list. They can’t really roll him out there representing the shield with 20+ Cases filed against him?

 

Agree. But they don't want to suspend him for a season he is happy to sit out anyway. I have said all along the NFL is in a tough spot here.

[YoloinOhio]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree. But they don't want to suspend him for a season he is happy to sit out anyway. I have said all along the NFL is in a tough spot here.

According to John McClain who is as tuned into to the Texans as anyone, he will never take another snap for them. He was on ESPN radio last night. He believes the Texans have moved on but want to get as much as they can for him. They haven’t just started listening to offers, they have been open for awhile,  but haven’t gotten anything good enough. Now, what kind of reps will he get in TC? Is he QB1? QB3? Crazy. 

[maddenboy]

20 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Always did.  There is zero chance he is innocent based on the number of victims.  

1) he doesnt have to be "innocent."  Just "Not-Guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt, or by preponderance of evidence.  And it depends on the definition of the crime.  And what the NFL will do with it after the dust settles.

 

2) they arent "victims" yet.  They are accusers.  Until its proven that something wrong happened, there's no "victims."

 

3)  I agree there's zero chance that nothing happened.  But maybe not to each accuser the same way, and maybe nothing happened that is legally wrong.  Maybe something Morally "wrong" happened. 

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by maddenboy

[maddenboy]

19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don’t think charges have been filed.  The women have made criminal complaints, but except in wierd states like PA it’s “up to” the prosecutor to decide whether or not the complaint rises to a prosecutable crime.

 

Perhaps one of our lawyer types will set me straight if I’m mistaken

 

Correct here in California.  [former prosecutor here]

 

Indeed, in CA at least, we dont need the victim's co-opertation in DV cases or related cases like sexual abuse or crimes with underage victims.  There is no such thing here as "the victim declined to press charges."  Its not up to the victim here.   Here, we understand that there are many reasons why a victim would decline to go forward. 

 

Anytime I hear a prosecutorial agency say they arent going forward because the victim "declined  to prosecute" or "recanted" or is uncooperative, I see an agency that is lazy or understaffed.

 

We need a good Texas lawyer to chime in.  But likely Texas is aggressive too.

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by maddenboy

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m no legal expert but the fact that two of the 10 bringing criminal cases did not file civil cases is a bad sign for him. And isnt a jury purposely selected to contain people who are not previously aware of the case? Not sure there is a “guarantee” it would be polluted. I randomly asked my cousin a couple weeks who lives in LA if she knew who he was as the situation had come up in conversation. and she said no. I’m sure they can get a clean jury together. Ultimately whether he’s charged and convicted is not part and parcel to his football future. If he’s considered good enough he will likely come back and play even if he goes to jail.  Only thing is Andy Reid already has a QB.

 

I am most curious right now as to what Roger does with the exempt list. They can’t really roll him out there representing the shield with 20+ Cases filed against him?

 

Roger Goodall: “YOLO, Hold My Beer”

[PatsFanNH]

12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m no legal expert but the fact that two of the 10 bringing criminal cases did not file civil cases is a bad sign for him. And isnt a jury purposely selected to contain people who are not previously aware of the case? Not sure there is a “guarantee” it would be polluted. I randomly asked my cousin a couple weeks who lives in LA if she knew who he was as the situation had come up in conversation. and she said no. I’m sure they can get a clean jury together. Ultimately whether he’s charged and convicted is not part and parcel to his football future. If he’s considered good enough he will likely come back and play even if he goes to jail.  Only thing is Andy Reid already has a QB.

 

I am most curious right now as to what Roger does with the exempt list. They can’t really roll him out there representing the shield with 20+ Cases filed against him?

First the case would be in Houston where everyone knows who he is even non football fans.  (My wife hates football still knows who Cam Newton is. )  Second the press and social media down there be 10X worse and the chances of getting 12 people who truly didn’t know anything about it is slimmer than winning the lotto.

 

second as I said the reason. I charges are filed because there is no evidence he did anything. Unlike civil cases to get a conviction or heck even an a grand jury to endite you need SOME proof. Right now it’s all “he made me do this” with hi. Saying he didn’t. 
 

As for football they are tough when the player is either at the end of his career or sucks.. even then they usually get it wrong.