Anyone interested in Jonnu Smith? EDITED He signed with the Patzies. they over paid

[PrimeTime101]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

One TE signs and now we have to settle for Knox?
 

Didn’t you say, just minutes ago, that some players might want to play for a ring....

a minute ago the stock was not this high on TE lol

[glazeduck]

5 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

J Smith is too expensive.   Doesn't look good for Hunter or Ertz now.

 

Bummer because I wanted the Bills to get a veteran TE.   Hope it doesn't price us out of a Rudolf/Everett/Howard type.

 

My new hope is trade with Cleveland for K Hunt and Njoku.

 

 

Just say "no" to Ertz.

Edited March 15, 2021 by glazeduck

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Do we settle for Hunter?

We could still go after Gerald Everett or get a veteran like Richard Rodgers or Kyle Rudolph.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

a minute ago the stock was not this high on TE lol

so, because Jonnu gets overpaid, there aren’t any TEs willing to take less to try and win a ring?  

[glazeduck]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

We could still go after Gerald Everett or get a veteran like Richard Rodgers or Kyle Rudolph.

Guessing Everett is out of our price range too.

Whether you think Jonnu's contract was a good deal or too much, he's getting it because of his athletic ability -- Everett will be very much the same.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

We could still go after Gerald Everett or get a veteran like Richard Rodgers or Kyle Rudolph.

Or Jared cook

Just now, glazeduck said:

Guessing Everett is out of our price range too.

Whether you think Jonnu's contract was a good deal or too much, he's getting it because of his athletic ability -- Everett will be very much the same.

Jonnu is a MUCH better blocker though .

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, NewEra said:

so, because Jonnu gets overpaid, there aren’t any TEs willing to take less to try and win a ring?  

I am just saying players may still come to us looking.. But at the price TE's Just went up some how I don't think we will be looking as hard.

 

Things do change like that 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

yea at this price setting the market for TE.. I think its not in the conversation any more. we will settle with Knox. Just a gut feeling now

 

Just because the most expensive TE signs with another team first?

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Just because the most expensive TE signs with another team first?

Hunter Henry will get more. 

[Logic]

I don't know who needs to hear this...probably no one....but:

The Bills were never, ever, ever going to pay $12.5M/Y for a tight end.

 

[Einstein's Dog]

2 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

Just say "no" to Ertz.

I certainly say "No" for the kind of money that was just introduced. 

 

But I think the Bills will be patient.  Let the frenzy subside and some veteran TE might come down to a more reasonable price.

[Artem Lipatov]

(( I wanted Jonnu to Bills, but realise with such contract we can’t afford neither  him nor Henry (

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Just because the most expensive TE signs with another team first?

I think when someone sets the market like this, things can change. NE overpaid to get a TE. Now the TE's that will be on the market will also see this and maybe take advantage of it. Now its a matter of, do we get Value at the position?  do we have to or even want to over pay at a TE position?  And as @NewEra Is also trying to say and remind me... it doesn't mean that a player may want to come here at the right price? I am not saying that either way.. What I am saying is its about value at the position.

[TBBills]

When you are a bad team you have to over pay. 

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

I don't know who needs to hear this...probably no one....but:

The Bills were never, ever, ever going to pay $12.5M/Y for a tight end.

 

never say never but I agree

[billsfan89]

I am thinking the Bills are more so looking at a Kroft replacement as opposed to a outright starting TE. The Pats paid retail for this guy and they seem to want to get back to being competitive in 2021 so they are paying big to fill needs.

 

 I am thinking Kyle Rudolph might be the type of supplemental player the Bills target.

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

yea at this price setting the market for TE.. I think its not in the conversation any more. we will settle with Knox. Just a gut feeling now

 

5 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I am just saying players may still come to us looking.. But at the price TE's Just went up some how I don't think we will be looking as hard.

 

Things do change like that 

Ok. That makes more sense than “we will settle for knox.” That’s a a different stance.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I think when someone sets the market like this, things can change. NE overpaid to get a TE. Now the TE's that will be on the market will also see this and maybe take advantage of it. Now its a matter of, do we get Value at the position?  do we have to or even want to over pay at a TE position?  And as @NewEra Is also trying to say and remind me... it doesn't mean that a player may want to come here at the right price? I am not saying that either way.. What I am saying is its about value at the position.

 

I understand that....just thought it was a little knee jerk.  The tampering period starting 90 minutes ago.  

[Logic]

I'm sticking with Dan Arnold is a realistic/affordable target who could really help the Bills.

[Victory Formation]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

I don't know who needs to hear this...probably no one....but:

The Bills were never, ever, ever going to pay $12.5M/Y for a tight end.

 

I think $10M perhaps would be reasonable but $12.5M+? Absolutely not.

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, NewEra said:

 

Ok. That makes more sense than “we will settle for knox.” That’s a a different stance.

Some times my brain is moving ahead of what I am saying . I guess that's how my head is wired. 

 

but right now its Value issue

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I understand that....just thought it was a little knee jerk.  The tampering period starting 90 minutes ago.  

perfect and yes it is/was knee jerk cause NE did a bone headed knee jerk reaction by over paying. now things are changed a bit. now its about value. things changed.

 

but Id like to think/hope you understand me now.

 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I'm sticking with Dan Arnold is a realistic/affordable target who could really help the Bills.

I really like Arnold too....I just don’t think he’s a fit opposite Knox.  Arnold is one of the worst blockers there is at the position. I think he’s more of a knox replacement and it’s too early to replace him imo.

 

I don’t think we’re in the market for a move TE, but rather a TE that can block and catch, but what do I know?  

[Rochesterfan]

23 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

NE literally dominated the division with TEs for years.  They make a huge difference in that offense.

 

Nope - they made a huge difference for Brady - see TB.  Unless they get a better QB from someplace - I do not think that offense with Cam is a passing offense and his blocking isn’t good enough to warrant this.

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

I don't know who needs to hear this...probably no one....but:

The Bills were never, ever, ever going to pay $12.5M/Y for a tight end.

Definitely not for someone with the paltry production of a Smith or even Henry.

[glazeduck]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Or Jared cook

Jonnu is a MUCH better blocker though .

Sure. But,

1. That's why he signed first.

2. That's why he'll get at least a little more money.

3. You're not paying Jonnu $50M to block.

 

This is a copycat league and teams will pay for the next Waller/Kelce/Kittle chess piece. You know who's a great blocker as a TE? Lee Smith. You know who's not getting a 4 year/$50M contract? Lee Smith. 

10 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I certainly say "No" for the kind of money that was just introduced. 

 

But I think the Bills will be patient.  Let the frenzy subside and some veteran TE might come down to a more reasonable price.

I agree. That's why I've been saying Rudolph makes the most sense in my mind...

[CapeBreton]

I like Jonnu Smith but that is quite a contract, I hope we go after Gerald Everett for much cheaper.

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I really like Arnold too....I just don’t think he’s a fit opposite Knox.  Arnold is one of the worst blockers there is at the position. I think he’s more of a knox replacement and it’s too early to replace him imo.

 

I don’t think we’re in the market for a move TE, but rather a TE that can block and catch, but what do I know?  

oh i whole heartedly dis.. oh wait ... AGREE! haha your 100% right

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, glazeduck said:

Sure. But,

1. That's why he signed first.

2. That's why he'll get at least a little more money.

3. You're not paying Jonnu $50M to block.

 

This is a copycat league and teams will pay for the next Waller/Kelce/Kittle chess piece. You know who's a great blocker as a TE? Lee Smith. You know who's not getting a 4 year/$50M contract? Lee Smith. 

I agree. That's why I've been saying Rudolph makes the most sense in my mind...

Copy cat league and the champs have a TE that is a MAULER in the run game.  Not what you were insinuating, but it’s true.  The Bucs had trouble early in the season when they were passing every play.  Then they started running more 2TE sets and playing more of a short game is when their O caught stride.  

[RichRiderBills]

Im sick of everyone giving the Pats the benefit of the doubt;

 

This is a bone headed dollar amount and really questionable move.

 

Smith is a solid 50 catch 10 TD kind of guy in the right system, but this is the most money the Pats have ever paid a skill position. Its the kind of money you give a 100 catch hall of fame type guy. Its crazy....

 

We should relish this floundering by a franchise. GL getting WRs to come w Cam as the QB plan.

Edited March 15, 2021 by RichRiderBills

[patzen]

Bad, desperate teams really ruin free agency for everyone else by overpaying for free agents early on. Good to see it's New England doing that now and not us lmao.

[aristocrat]

man hunter henry is gonna get 15 mil per i think

[JimmyNoodles]

Pats* overpaid. Sucks to be them. Hope it continues for the next ten years. You know, karma and all. 

[Big Turk]

I mean theoretically he hasn't signed with anyone yet. They can't officially sign until the 17th at 4pm.

[gobills404]

 

[Rc2catch]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Corey Davis opposite Diggs.

Hey for once we agree on a player 👍👍👍

He’s got a lot of talent 

[Victory Formation]

10 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

 

That’s encouraging. I don’t think Knox is as bad as some make him out to be. He could potentially breakout and be a star player. Definitely within the realms of possibility.

[Orlando Tim]

10 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

 

Actually his 2020 numbers are not close to 12.5 a year good either. Unless he is as good as blocking as a mid-level lineman he might be the most overpaid player this off-season.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Corey Davis opposite Diggs.

And a pass rusher?  We need the pass rusher more imo.  Restructure some deals and trade for Hunter.  Gotta go for it

 

i really like Davis....I just don’t know how much money we can put together and pass rush is necessary imo.

Edited March 15, 2021 by NewEra

[machine gun kelly]

I wanted him but not at this price.  Good luck Jonnu.  Not even close to worth $12 + mil.

[GLP]

Bill B. saw how much trouble Travis Kelce gave the Bills in the playoffs and has decided to get his own Top 3 TE. I think it's pretty smart on Bill. We better find a way to cover good TE's.