Pete Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) Id push my chips all in. Get me Zack and Mack. Frontload bonus money, get creative-our two biggest holes -Edge and TEr-replaced with all pros. draft RB, CB, and trenches This next 3 hours will be very, very interesting Edited March 17, 2021 by Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, Pete said: Id push my chips all in. Get me Zack and Mack. Frontload bonus money, get creative-our two biggest holes -Edge and TEr-replaced with all pros. draft RB, CB, and trenches This next 3 hours will be very, very interesting I love marlon Mack. Would much rather have him than singletary. That said, I’d prefer a Rb with some real speed, but will take what I can get I just prefer to not have Moss and motor as our 1-2 rb tandem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I said earlier that I thought I remembered Joe B or Fairburn saying our draft class Cap allotment for this year was about $2.5 million, but evidently I was wrong. According to the Q & A Joe B had on the Athletic today, it's actually only $1.7 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 On 3/16/2021 at 7:38 PM, Reed83HOF said: curious what incentives a punter would get. Pro Bowl, be top 5 in the league in net or something else. Just curious with WAY too much time on my hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Beane on restructuring: I do wonder if the guys they talked to honestly experienced it the same way as "never an ultimatum" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Beane on restructuring: I do wonder if the guys they talked to honestly experienced it the same way as "never an ultimatum" Don’t tell a certain Chiefs fan this. He thinks the road goes on forever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 6 hours ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said: curious what incentives a punter would get. Pro Bowl, be top 5 in the league in net or something else. Just curious with WAY too much time on my hands. As another with way too much time on my hands, here's a list of CBA allowed incentives a punter could have in his contract - TEAM INCENTIVES- Opposition punt return average ALL PLAYER INCENTIVES- Wins Playoffs Conference Championship Super Bowl Touchdowns on returns and recoveries Net difference takeaways/giveaways OTHER- Special teams play time PUNTING- Gross average (40 punts) Net average (40 punts) Inside 20-yard line HONORS AND RECOGNIZED MEDIA VETERAN HONORS PRO BOWL ALL NFL (First and Second Team) ALL CONFERENCE (First and Second Team) SUPER BOWL MVP (ROZELLE TROPHY) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Does anyone have a clue as to what the Bills cap space currently is? Spotrac lists it as $3.14M but it's missing: 1) Matakevich restructure (still at $3M) 2) Boettger signing (still listing his tender - but I thought he signed?) 3) Taiwan Jones signing 4) the biggest ticket - Feliciano signing 5) Trubisky signing 6) Levi Wallace signing (we must be restructuring someone else to accomodate all that) It's got Emmanuel Sanders on there with a $5.9M cap hit, and I thought I heard he had a void year on his contract to knock that down Overthecap is even further behind - still has Mario Addison with a $10M cap hit instead of $8M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Beane on restructuring: I do wonder if the guys they talked to honestly experienced it the same way as "never an ultimatum" I think they said to a guy like Morse. “ Hey Mitch you are being paid like a top 3 center and your peers and coaches didn’t vote you even as an 3rd alternate to any pro bowls. You also have an injury history and have missed playing time. Do you think you give a little here ?” That’s not a hard argument to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Does anyone have a clue as to what the Bills cap space currently is? Spotrac lists it as $3.14M but it's missing: 1) Matakevich restructure (still at $3M) 2) Boettger signing (still listing his tender - but I thought he signed?) 3) Taiwan Jones signing 4) the biggest ticket - Feliciano signing 5) Trubisky signing 6) Levi Wallace signing (we must be restructuring someone else to accomodate all that) It's got Emmanuel Sanders on there with a $5.9M cap hit, and I thought I heard he had a void year on his contract to knock that down Overthecap is even further behind - still has Mario Addison with a $10M cap hit instead of $8M Ok, you just explained to me on another thread for Ertz why they are still listed (Eagles) are listed as -$4.85 mil. Hap, do you have any idea why or if Hughes didn’t get a paycut. Not becuase he’s not productive and a very solid all around DE, but he is 33 this August, and he doesn’t want to be on the street with the other hundreds of over 30 players this season. I honestly am a little surprised. He’s making $7.35 mil. this year as he already has his signing bonus. He’s in his last year so you can’t restructure unless they want to add years, and I doubt it at 33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Wallace $1.75 million cap hit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Does anyone have a clue as to what the Bills cap space currently is? Spotrac lists it as $3.14M but it's missing: 1) Matakevich restructure (still at $3M) 2) Boettger signing (still listing his tender - but I thought he signed?) 3) Taiwan Jones signing 4) the biggest ticket - Feliciano signing 5) Trubisky signing 6) Levi Wallace signing (we must be restructuring someone else to accomodate all that) It's got Emmanuel Sanders on there with a $5.9M cap hit, and I thought I heard he had a void year on his contract to knock that down Overthecap is even further behind - still has Mario Addison with a $10M cap hit instead of $8M Right now Spotrac has the Bills at $1.325M. Does not have Trubisky ($1.72 off the Top 51) Does not have Feliciano (Have not seen what 1st year hit is) Other adjustment not calculated. Sanders Void Year. Matakevich Extension. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) How the blank do the Chiefs have only $160M spent? Hmmm... Mahomes - $7M ($450M contract/10yr) Jones - $8M ($80M/4yr) Kelce - $6M ($57M/4yr) Thuney - $4.5M ($80M/5yr) And I dont want to hear they are going into cap hell. Sportrac shows they will have $50M in space in 2022. How does that roster with a $450M QB and multi $50M+ other contracts seem to be in better shape than ours? Edited March 19, 2021 by ngbills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponch Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, ngbills said: How the blank do the Chiefs have only $160M spent? Hmmm... Mahomes - $7M ($450M contract/10yr) Jones - $8M ($80M/4yr) Kelce - $6M ($57M/4yr) Thuney - $4.5M ($80M/5yr) And I dont want to hear they are going into cap hell. Sportrac shows they will have $50M in space in 2022. How does that roster with a $450M QB and multi $50M+ other contracts seem to be in better shape than ours? That my friend is the question of the day!! 🤔 🧐 but truthfully it appears like many teams are operating as if there really is no salary cap! How is Buffalo doing all they’ve done with $1million plus of cap space? The whole thing doesn’t make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, ngbills said: How the blank do the Chiefs have only $160M spent? Hmmm... Mahomes - $7M ($450M contract/10yr) Jones - $8M ($80M/4yr) Kelce - $6M ($57M/4yr) Thuney - $4.5M ($80M/5yr) And I dont want to hear they are going into cap hell. Sportrac shows they will have $50M in space in 2022. How does that roster with a $450M QB and multi $50M+ other contracts seem to be in better shape than ours? They only have 24 players under contract for 2022, Bills have 39. They push money back. Bills don't want to do it too much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, ngbills said: How the blank do the Chiefs have only $160M spent? Hmmm... Mahomes - $7M ($450M contract/10yr) Jones - $8M ($80M/4yr) Kelce - $6M ($57M/4yr) Thuney - $4.5M ($80M/5yr) And I dont want to hear they are going into cap hell. Sportrac shows they will have $50M in space in 2022. How does that roster with a $450M QB and multi $50M+ other contracts seem to be in better shape than ours? Crazy isn't it. KC has a philosophy of paying a small amount of players big money and the rest of the team is cheap. But if you look at next years roster there is only a handful of players before you get down to guys making less than $2M. That's why they look like they have a bunch of cap for next year along with only 23 guys under contract. It seems to work for them so far. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/cap/2022/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I get you don't want to kick the can and put yourself in a bad situation in the future, but when you're in the middle of your window and the teams you have to get through to win a championship are selling out and going for broke, you better do something or you're gonna be sitting at home with your cap space while other teams play for trophies. This offseason is frustrating me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Does anyone know where we stand cap wise because I'm very confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 11 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Right now Spotrac has the Bills at $1.325M. Does not have Trubisky ($1.72 off the Top 51) Does not have Feliciano (Have not seen what 1st year hit is) Other adjustment not calculated. Sanders Void Year. Matakevich Extension. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ 47 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Does anyone know where we stand cap wise because I'm very confused. Nothing has changed form my post earlier today except the signing of TE Hollister which took $200k off the cap. It's at $1.178M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Nothing has changed form my post earlier today except the signing of TE Hollister which took $200k off the cap. It's at $1.178M Thanks. I was being lazy and didn't read earlier posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Apparently Bills don't have enough cap space to process some contracts and need to create space. So as we've all been talking about there's still moves to be made with current contracts. For whatever reason they're waiting to finalize whatever moves they're going to make. Is it strategy? Maybe some players they've asked for cuts wanted to see the market 1st? But either way some moves are coming. Quote As it stands now, the Bills don’t even have the cap space to process the Feliciano or Trubisky contracts according to Spotrac, who says they have $1.1 million in available room (ithout accounting for the Tyler Matakevich extension, which likely dropped his $3.7 million hit). Feliciano’s cap hit will be above $4 million and Trubisky’s is $2.5 million. That’s before Buffalo needs to account for signing rookies at ~$1.8 million in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Apparently Bills don't have enough cap space to process some contracts and need to create space. So as we've all been talking about there's still moves to be made with current contracts. For whatever reason they're waiting to finalize whatever moves they're going to make. Is it strategy? Maybe some players they've asked for cuts wanted to see the market 1st? But either way some moves are coming. Misleading lede. Spotrac, while accurate, isn’t an official cap number for the Bills. Claiming that the Bills don’t have enough cap room to process contracts which they’ve already agreed to is complete conjecture. Garbage reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Misleading lede. Spotrac, while accurate, isn’t an official cap number for the Bills. Claiming that the Bills don’t have enough cap room to process contracts which they’ve already agreed to is complete conjecture. Garbage reporting. What do you mean? They're either processed or not. He says they're not. You're saying he's wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: What do you mean? They're either processed or not. He says they're not. You're saying he's wrong? I’m saying spotrac is a non-official cap website. They still have teams over the cap which clearly isn’t accurate. Claiming the Bills can’t process contracts they’ve agreed to because Spotrac hasn’t processed the numbers is garbage reporting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Misleading lede. Spotrac, while accurate, isn’t an official cap number for the Bills. Claiming that the Bills don’t have enough cap room to process contracts which they’ve already agreed to is complete conjecture. Garbage reporting. I agree , for a player to sign on the dotted line the funds have to be available. Edited March 20, 2021 by Bronxbomber21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 3/20/2021 at 2:10 PM, Bronxbomber21 said: I agree , for a player to sign on the dotted line the funds have to be available. Contracts aren't processed yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I’ve been struggling to understand why our cap space is so tight? We have so many players on rookie contracts still. It seems like other teams have many more veterans on their teams at higher contacts. Tre, Milano, Star and Hughes are the highest on D, Diggs, Morse, D Williams and Dawkins on O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said: I’ve been struggling to understand why our cap space is so tight? We have so many players on rookie contracts still. It seems like other teams have many more veterans on their teams at higher contacts. Tre, Milano, Star and Hughes are the highest on D, Diggs, Morse, D Williams and Dawkins on O. We have a lot of veterans making good money. Our DL for example isn't the most dominant but it's one of the most expensive DLs in the NFL. Edited March 22, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 38 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We have a lot of veterans making good money. Our DL for example isn't the most dominant but it's one of the most expensive DLs in the NFL. This. We had the most money in the league invested in DL last year. It's not that they were gawdawful by the end of the season, but the ROI was puny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 To boot, Dawk, TreD and Diggs are a fifth of the cap alone at $40 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) I'm going to back out of this till all the details are public. It doesn't yet seem possible to know what we don't know about the precise financial state of the Bills. Edited March 22, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/20/2021 at 12:53 AM, ngbills said: How the blank do the Chiefs have only $160M spent? Hmmm... Mahomes - $7M ($450M contract/10yr) Jones - $8M ($80M/4yr) Kelce - $6M ($57M/4yr) Thuney - $4.5M ($80M/5yr) And I dont want to hear they are going into cap hell. Sportrac shows they will have $50M in space in 2022. How does that roster with a $450M QB and multi $50M+ other contracts seem to be in better shape than ours? At least right now the Chiefs only have 23 guys under contract for 2022, and they're listed at $32M under. And some of those 23 guys in 2022 are named Lucas Niang, Rashad Fenton, Darwin Thompson, Michael Danna, Bopete Keyes, Yasir Durant, Khalen Sanders and Tershawn Wharton. They are going to have to bring in a ton more guys 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I would guess Beane is still trying to trade some Bills to make cap room instead of just cuts. Very lucky Allen was not due a super contract yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 hours ago, ALF said: I would guess Beane is still trying to trade some Bills to make cap room instead of just cuts. Very lucky Allen was not due a super contract yet. Diggs extension likely coming, which could create a lot of room. Jerry Hughes and Beasley possibly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 ^need this pinned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NI Bills Fan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Thanks yolo for posting, Greg Thompsett has been, for me, the best Bills reporter/podcaster when it comes to cap and roster construction this offseason and probably a few before it. Always a good listen. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 6 hours ago, NI Bills Fan said: Thanks yolo for posting, Greg Thompsett has been, for me, the best Bills reporter/podcaster when it comes to cap and roster construction this offseason and probably a few before it. Always a good listen. Agreed.. quite a knowledgeable guy and speaks very well...I have watched all of his stuff this off season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Over the cap has red dirt at 2.95M. Disappointing to say the least. I think there up to date and have Bills at + $525,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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