Cam About To Re-Sign With New England

[H2o]

18 minutes ago, DJB said:

Belichek is a genius. 

 

Cam stinks and will help secure #1 next year. 

They'll win too many games to get the #1 pick. They have a lot of players coming back who opted out. 

[DrDawkinstein]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

$14M!

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

And here I was worried theyd use all that cap space to get a lot better.

[JGMcD2]

11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Trust me, I’m a huge Cam fan, and he’s not the same player. It’s obviously and his arm looks bad. But people on this board were laughing at Brady his last year in NE saying he was washed too. Cam ain’t Brady but NE did him no favors and a lot of qbs would have struggle there.

 

The Pats aren’t the Pats anymore. But it was a team with a terrible roster that nearly beat us at home. We are clearly the best team in the division but it’s weird to think that Pats getting players back is suddenly the worst team in the NFL when they weren’t close to that last year.

Cam isn’t Brady and I find it unlikely that Bill is going to manage to surround Cam with the best supporting cast in the NFL to hide those deficiencies. They’ve got 40% of their o-line leaving in FA and their two most effective RB... if they want them back they’re going to have to get paid. 3 or 4 major contributors on defense that need to get paid... they’ve got room for 1-2 impact offensive signings... but after last year who really wants to play with Cam? Nobody is lining up at the door. 
 

He wasn’t just struggling because of the team around him... he’s been struggling for like 5 years now... he’s just not the same player he was in the first half of his career. He couldn’t even make simple out throws outside the hash marks without skipping them... that’s not on the WR or the playbook. 
 

I do agree with your last point though... they will still be a tough out... at least I believe that. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by JGMcD2

[C.Biscuit97]

20 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

That’s an expensive option 

I mean it’s less than Taysom Hill haha.

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

Cam isn’t Brady and I find it unlikely that Bill is going to manage to surround Cam with the best supporting cast in the NFL to hide those deficiencies. They’ve got 40% of their o-line leaving in FA and their two most effective RB... if they want them back they’re going to have to get paid. 3 or 4 major contributors on defense that need to get paid... they’ve got room for 1-2 impact offensive signings... but after last year who really wants to play with Cam? Nobody is lining up at the door. 
 

He wasn’t just struggling because of the team around him... he’s been struggling for like 5 years now... he’s just not the same player he was in the first half of his career. He couldn’t even make simple out throws outside the hash marks without skipping them... that’s not on the WR or the playbook. 
 

I do agree with your last point though... they will still be a tough out... at least I believe that. 

For sure, NE absolutely sucks at drafting skill players. It’s actually shows how much the Patriot way was just Brady.  Cam was off to the best start of his career 3 years ago but he might just be completely damaged. I guess their thoughts might be a full year in the system, more health, better defense, and better skill players might elevate him.  Doesn’t seem likely but there are far from the worst team in the nfl. 
 

It’s also funny that people loved hating on Cam for his attitude and yet the guy who hates everyone apparently loves him. 

[H2o]

Tom Brady watching the Pats right now

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[DJB]

29 minutes ago, H2o said:

They'll win too many games to get the #1 pick. They have a lot of players coming back who opted out. 

 

Jokes people. Jokes!!!!

[YoloinOhio]

20 minutes ago, H2o said:

They'll win too many games to get the #1 pick. They have a lot of players coming back who opted out. 

And that’s where we want them. Hopefully not good enough to beat Buffalo or win the division but good enough to at least split with Miami and maybe knock off a few afc contenders, then wind up like 8-8, and continue in QB purgatory 

[H2o]

1 minute ago, DJB said:

 

Jokes people. Jokes!!!!

6-10 won't get you #1 and I think that's where they're headed.

Side note:

 

It's hilarious watching them come up with excuses for Cam's shortcomings on Get Up. First year in the system, he got Covid then missed a game, blah, blah, blah.

[DCOrange]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Yeah I think this was pretty obvious from the moment it was announced that it likely was not a true $14 mil contract.

[Rico]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I assume this will be paired with a draft pick 

Great role model and tutor for a young QB. 

[RiotAct]

41 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

This ⬇️ 'excellent'? 😁

Even better than that!

[HOUSE]

A mad rush in New England for season tickets

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

I expect that as well, but Cam was horrendous last year throwing the football. His arm is toast. I watched him rear back and throw the ball as hard as he could just to get it 40 yards down field. 

 

 

Some have said he was injured through a lot of the season. 

 

He did look that way late, but early in the season he had some seriously powerful throws.

 

Against the Seahawks in Week 2, at 1:50 in the 3rd quarter, he threw it 55 yards in the air hitting his reciever on an absolute dime. He threw it from his own 14 and his guy caught it at full extension on the Seattle 31. And he didn't even step into it. His front foot was way out to the left, it's an awkward motion and an absolute bomb that he put in the perfect spot.

[H2o]

13 minutes ago, Rico said:

Great role model and tutor for a young QB. 

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I assume this will be paired with a draft pick 

Agreed, still think they will draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd rounds.

 

On one hand, it's a smart move to keep a veteran QB around so you don't wind up starting Nathan Peterman on Day 1 (still can't believe we did that lol!). On the other hand, it seems like an overpay for this version of Newton and is he really the veteran you want to mentor your draft pick? I don't think he's a bad guy, but just a goofy dude who looked like a shell of himself last year.

[Yobogoya!]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

This smells like they believe they won’t be able to convince any FA QB of quality to sign with them, you know full well they have feelers out to player agents thru back channels, so it’s what they had last season and a draft pick, sure hope I’m right on this... 😁👍

 

The "Patriot Way" is an extreme version of "team comes first," where players are told that they're expendable and they're expected to shut up and do their jobs. For two decades, players not only put up with this, but took below market value contracts to do so, because they thought it was a great shot at a ring.

 

But Brady has proven that he was the reason that team had a great shot at a ring each year. So with "the patriot way" exposed, what player is eager to sign up for camp Belichick now?

[Thurman#1]

56 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

1 year del worth $14 million?? What???  Has Belichick lost his mind?? Dude doesn't deserve $14

 

 

... "up to close to $14 million"

 

That's a bit different.

 

If he has a great year, close to $14M will be a bargain. If he has a bad year, who knows how little this might be without hitting incentives? $5M? Less? No way to know.

Edited March 12, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

The "Patriot Way" is an extreme version of "team comes first," where players are told that they're expendable and they're expected to shut up and do their jobs. For two decades, players not only put up with this, but took below market value contracts to do so, because they thought it was a great shot at a ring.

 

But Brady has proven that he was the reason that team had a great shot at a ring each year. So with "the patriot way" exposed, what player is eager to sign up for camp Belichick now?

 

Apparently not Matthew Stafford hahaha

[TH3]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

Just reported on Get Up. 

 

 @ NE

I think they are closing the gap with the Chiefs!!

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

They went 7-8 this year with him starting. He signed late, had Covid, have maybe the worst skill players in the nfl, and had half of their defense opt out. 
 

obviously, he isn’t the same player but I think people love just hating on him. By all accounts, he was a great teammate and they can draft a qb.  I actually respect Belichick for being loyal to Cam.

Stop with the people just love hating on Cam.  I thought he was one of the best players in the NFL 5 or 6 years ago.   The guy is an above average starter in the league who just came off a season where he threw 8 touchdowns in 15 games.

 

This isnt hate, its reality.   If he comes out and plays like an MVP this year, Ill eat crow, thats fine.   But where it stands he isnt a very good thrower of the football. 

[BillStime]

 

[Homey D. Clown]

good.  I can't believe they are actually going to pay him to play though.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

l-o-l

 

they paid him 1 million last year and said: “yeah, we like that *****. Let’s do it for much more!”

 

I will confess that I went to that link to check it because I would have placed a small monetary bet that you'd been duped by a fake Adam Schefter account, which as we all know abound.

 

But that actually IS Adam Schefter so unless someone took over his account for multiple tweets, it's real.  $14M for an "option" though?

 

 

[Ghost_002!]

Plans to come back to this thread when it because obviously they are signing him as a backup and not the starter. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

No more hometown discounts to stay in NE & play for the Hoodie?  

[Ghost_002!]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I will confess that I went to that link to check it because I would have placed a small monetary bet that you'd been duped by a fake Adam Schefter account, which as we all know abound.

 

But that actually IS Adam Schefter so unless someone took over his account for multiple tweets, it's real.  $14M for an "option" though?

 

 

 

 

he is getting 7 or 8 mill for the year everything else is tied up incentives.....he is brought back to be the backup/security blanket not the Pats starter.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

10 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

Plans to come back to this thread when it because obviously they are signing him as a backup and not the starter. 

That's a lot of dough for a backup, even one who could in theory mentor a new young gun. 

[dave mcbride]

In all seriousness, he's a .500 qb who is a great backup option. Backup QB is a very important position! He's better than what the Bills have. 

[mjt328]

9 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

The "Patriot Way" is an extreme version of "team comes first," where players are told that they're expendable and they're expected to shut up and do their jobs. For two decades, players not only put up with this, but took below market value contracts to do so, because they thought it was a great shot at a ring.

 

But Brady has proven that he was the reason that team had a great shot at a ring each year. So with "the patriot way" exposed, what player is eager to sign up for camp Belichick now?

 

This is exactly the situation New England finds itself in right now.

 

There are a few ways to attract free agents:

-  One is to overpay and be the top-bidder, which the Patriots pretty much refuse to do.

-  Another is to be a serious Super Bowl contender, which the Patriots no longer are. 

-  Still another is to have a coach that guys enjoy playing for, which Belichick clearly is not.

 

No doubt that Belichick is a great coach.  But he's also an @$$, who pushes his players very hard and treats them like expendable chess pieces.  The organization itself has a reputation for not paying to keep talent, and instead building up compensatory picks and using the draft to restock the pieces around Tom Brady.  That system was great at keeping the winning ball rolling, and helping them constantly get salary cap bargains on veterans desperate for a ring.  Now that Brady is gone, it's going to be very hard to get that ball rolling again.

 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

That's a lot of dough for a backup, even one who could in theory mentor a new young gun. 

It's an $8 million deal with a ton of incentives. He has to be the starter to reach them. 

[Ghost_002!]

1 minute ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

That's a lot of dough for a backup, even one who could in theory mentor a new young gun. 

Taysom HIll and Marcus Maroita make way more than he does. 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, mjt328 said:

 

This is exactly the situation New England finds itself in right now.

 

There are a few ways to attract free agents:

-  One is to overpay and be the top-bidder, which the Patriots pretty much refuse to do.

-  Another is to be a serious Super Bowl contender, which the Patriots no longer are. 

-  Still another is to have a coach that guys enjoy playing for, which Belichick clearly is not.

 

No doubt that Belichick is a great coach.  But he's also an @$$, who pushes his players very hard and treats them like expendable chess pieces.  The organization itself has a reputation for not paying to keep talent, and instead building up compensatory picks and using the draft to restock the pieces around Tom Brady.  That system was great at keeping the winning ball rolling, and helping them constantly get salary cap bargains on veterans desperate for a ring.  Now that Brady is gone, it's going to be very hard to get that ball rolling again.

 

These are good points, but I have a bad feeling NE's defense is going to be elite this season. They are getting some excellent players back (Hightower, Chung), and Gilmore will be healthy. And Belichick is the greatest defensive mind in the history of the game. Don't sleep on them.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

It's an $8 million deal with a ton of incentives. He has to be the starter to reach them. 

Fair enough. But have to ask who else out there would've offered Cam this deal? They really had to exponentially increase his base from a prove-it K when his prove-it year was more of a has-been revelation? Don't get me wrong--any dime NE overspends on whoever they want is fine by me.  

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Fair enough. But have to ask who else out there would've offered Cam this deal? They really had to exponentially increase his base from a prove-it K when his prove-it year was more of a has-been revelation? Don't get me wrong--any dime NE overspends on whoever they want is fine by me.  

They have so much cap space it doesn't really matter. In fact, they probably need to overspend just to reach the floor. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

Edited March 12, 2021 by dave mcbride

[NoHuddleKelly12]

13 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

Taysom HIll and Marcus Maroita make way more than he does. 

Both of which are also more appealing bridge options than washed out Cam, imho. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by NoHuddleKelly12

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

he is getting 7 or 8 mill for the year everything else is tied up incentives.....he is brought back to be the backup/security blanket not the Pats starter.

 

Yeah but....(words I never thought I'd type)...$7 or $8M/yr is tip-top backup money.  

Fitz earned $8M ($4M guaranteed) from the Dolphins last season.

 

 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah but....(words I never thought I'd type)...$7 or $8M/yr is tip-top backup money.  

Fitz earned $8M ($4M guaranteed) from the Dolphins last season.

 

 

 

IIRC, Jim K got that much in his record breaking deal when he finally inked for Buffalo in '86. 

[mannc]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

My guess is he will play the taysum hill type of roll to a certain degree.

 

Maybe get 5 snaps a game and comes in on 3rd and shorts and a few trick plays throughout the year.

Hard count specialist??

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

Taysom HIll and Marcus Maroita make way more than he does. 

 

They do.  What would you say about the general perception around the league on the value/$ of that?

 

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

These are good points, but I have a bad feeling NE's defense is going to be elite this season. They are getting some excellent players back (Hightower, Chung), and Gilmore will be healthy. And Belichick is the greatest defensive mind in the history of the game. Don't sleep on them.  

 

An elite D with a floundering O can succeed to an extent, or it can give you a 6-10 record.