CincyBillsFan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, y2zipper said: It's a lot of risk for the Rams because with Seattle and SF, you could still be a 3rd place type operation in the NFC West. It looks like either a misguided attempt at going for it in a short window or a splash trade more than something well thought out or a significant increase in talent. Statistically over the past 5 years I'm not even sure that Stafford and Goff are even that far apart aside from volume, but Stafford has never played in a big enough game to be put under that microscope like Goff. The situation around Goff in LA has been declining quite a bit since 2018 and that team and coach have been living on the perception of the 2018 team for the past couple seasons. Goff hasn't really gotten better or worse than he was, but the rushing offense from 2018 is way down and the Rams don't have receivers that scare anyone vertically. You can trace the decline in their offense to losing Gurley, their line aging a little and the lack of resources they've put into their skill position players. The short version of what's happening here is that it's like Chip Kelly: the Rams put their offensive eggs in the basket that McVay could make a lot out of less talent at WR and RB, and it hasn't proven as true as everyone thinks. They're scapegoating Goff here because they've put so many resources into the defensive side of the ball that there's nothing left for the offense. And maybe the Rams are worrying that the Chargers and their great young QB are poised to jump past them in the eyes of the LA sports fan. Herbert is going to be a star and McVay is going to feel the heat if he doesn't get top level production out of his QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 52 minutes ago, Virgil said: If Goff wasn’t included, I would say that’s fair. With Goff included, it seems a bit much Think there is any chance that the Lions try to trade Goff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Buftex said: Think there is any chance that the Lions try to trade Goff? How? The floor price for TRADING Goff just got set at a 1st - they’d need to throw one in to get rid of him! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Buftex said: Think there is any chance that the Lions try to trade Goff? not unless they wanna part with draft picks. They just showed what Goff was worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SinceThe70s Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 As per my son, if this is all true the last first round pick of the Rams was Jared Goff in 2016. Barring trades their next first round pick will be in 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Warcodered said: When was the last time the Rams used a 1st round pick? 2016 with Goff. Then 2015 with Hurley, and before that 2014 with Greg Robinson (recently jailed for 150 pounds of marijuana which may not all have been for personal use) and Aaron Donald, 2013 Tavon Auston and Alec Ogletree and 2012 with Michael Brockers. You're dead right that they haven't used their 1sts lately. But when you look at what they got when they most recently did use them, you see a lot of the better guys who've been on that team recently. Maybe they should use them more. Too late for the next two years, though. With Stafford, but also with no 1st rounder and already $13M over the cap, it will be hard for them to have a roster without a bunch of holes this year. Stafford is good, a lot better than he's been given credit for. But like every other QB, he will need a talented roster around him for the team to be competititive for a title. Edited January 31, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Lions won that deal...Two 1st rounders PLUS a QB? 🤣🤣🤣 I guess that depends on how you define "QB" 😉 Also, Jets fans now think they can a 1st plus for Darnold, lol Edited January 31, 2021 by jeremy2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: As per my son, if this is all true the last first round pick of the Rams was Jared Goff in 2016. Barring trades their next first round pick will be in 2024. Dad? Is that you? Quick, if this is really you, what’s my favorite football team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 37 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: The Watson deal will push the league full on into NBA territory And it's a lock it will be Miami. They're the only team with the QB and draft capital to get him. This trade (in conference btw) just gave you the sticker price range. How can you rule out the Jets? Same amount of draft capital plus Darnold. Tua has very little value; maybe less than Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Mango said: Dad? Is that you? Quick, if this is really you, what’s my favorite football team? The Bills...or GTFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Beane is asleep at the wheel. Why wouldn't he trade Josh Allen for Jared Goff, 2 1sts and a 3rd?!?! Goff has won a Conference Title Game and Josh Allen hasn't. When you can get that type of experience from a QB with picks to boot, you do it! Beane must have known that he would completely screw up the extra draft picks and draft more busts. The sooner we get rid of Beane, the better off this franchise is. 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Ideally enough going back one season Lions probably could have traded Stafford, Drafted Herbert and not wasted one last year with Patricia. But what do we know. I think the Lions won the deal. Stafford is solid but I would be concerned with his health. . I mean he broke his back. Lions fans are loving the draft hall and already counting the days until they cut Goff and and his his contract. They are veiwing this a a Stop gap Qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Can’t forget—those Rams first rounders will both be late in the first. about equal to 6 or 7 overall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Lions made out well there Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 So the Rama are going to go 7 straight years without a first round pick? That is hilarious. And insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Beane is asleep at the wheel. Why wouldn't he trade Josh Allen for Jared Goff, 2 1sts and a 3rd?!?! Goff has won a Conference Title Game and Josh Allen hasn't. When you can get that type of experience from a QB with picks to boot, you do it! Beane must have known that he would completely screw up the extra draft picks and draft more busts. The sooner we get rid of Beane, the better off this franchise is. You're a Bad Man, sir. A Bad, Bad, Very Bad Man. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, mannc said: How can you rule out the Jets? Same amount of draft capital plus Darnold. Tua has very little value; maybe less than Darnold. Because Watson has final say. He may be good with the Jets. I don't know. The tax situation in Florida is friendlier and so is the weather and the football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I know Goff isn’t Lamar but he can move a bit. I just can’t picture that offense with Stafford. I know he can move a bit too, he’s just getting pretty old and has been hurt a lot. I can’t see this working. And I think Stafford is really good. If I was the Rams I would have been looking for a guy that can run a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You're a Bad Man, sir. A Bad, Bad, Very Bad Man. That's how you do it right? That's how you make a good post. I've been watching and learning... finally earned my stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 27 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: The Dolphins have more holes to fill then their 10 - 6 record indicates. Unless the Fish expect to get gifted a slew of turnovers in key games next season they need to upgrade the talent level significantly just to get back to 10 - 6. Signing Watson upsets the Dolphins salary cap limiting the number of high impact free agents they can sign. And giving up those premium picks robs them of trade bait on draft day and the chance to accumulate even more picks and stocking their team with young, low cost talent. Give me the QB and worry about the rest later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: That's how you do it right? That's how you make a good post. I've been watching and learning... finally earned my stripes. Stripes, is it? These kind of stripes? Like I said, a Bad Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 If I had to guess at what the Texans would get for Watson and use the dolphins as an example, I'd say both of their firsts this year, a second this year, and Tua, minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I could see the colts getting at least a 2nd round pick from the Eagles to take on Wentz and his contract. With the cap declining, cap space is a very valuable commodity and the Colts have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I don't get this at all. At first I thought the reason might be to get the Rams outta cap hell... Current Contract Jared Goff signed a 4 year, $134,000,000 contract with the Los Angeles Rams, including a $25,000,000 signing bonus, $110,042,682 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $33,500,000. Whoa... Stafford signed the five-year deal is worth $135 million with $60.5 million guaranteed. I still don't get it... Stafford kinda stinks... err, well, so does Geoff at times. Lions 5-11, Rams 10-5. Shouldn't the Rams be getting all the picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 The Rams trade more first round picks as if this is Madden. They just Keep adding more picks players until the computer says Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Process said: If I had to guess at what the Texans would get for Watson and use the dolphins as an example, I'd say both of their firsts this year, a second this year, and Tua, minimum. I reject the hypothesis that Tua should be seen as anything but a mid-second round pick on a value chart. This is interesting: League usually goes out of their way to avoid posting/announcing anything that isn't officially official. Doesn't matter, but it's an interesting shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Stripes, is it? These kind of stripes? Like I said, a Bad Man. Might change this to my Avatar and throw "Bad Man" into my profile. I'm adopting it as my own. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 What would happen cap wise if the Lions turned around and traded Goff? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Back in Da Day when Tyrod Taylor roamed the Bills backfield and Jared Goff was a bemused rookie seeking his way in the wasteland of the 2016 Rams offense, I did a Thing where I looked at success rates drafting QB. First thing I realized was that I had to decide what success looked like for a QB - some easy statistics that would correlate with a QB who could help the team along with a decent defense. I came up with 5 metrics where it seemed like a QB who hit all 5 could do pretty well. Goff hit them all in 2017 & 2018. Hit 4 of 5 last 2 seasons. It's boggling my delicate young mind that a team is trading a 26 yr old QB who played in the SB 3 years ago and who has not totally sucked since then AND 2 first round picks for a 32 yr old QB with a plethora of injuries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said: Might change this to my Avatar and throw "Bad Man" into my profile. I'm adopting it as my own. I thought the idea was to be a bad boy but a good man?... Has Tim McGraw been lying to me agin?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Might change this to my Avatar and throw "Bad Man" into my profile. I'm adopting it as my own. It is kinda cute, I thought. Returning to the topic of the thread, my delicate young mind(tm) is still boggling. Obviously Les Snead and McVay have decided Goff can't take them where they need to go. But just 3 years ago he was the Hot Young Hand of the league. SMH. SMDH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Back in Da Day when Tyrod Taylor roamed the Bills backfield and Jared Goff was a bemused rookie seeking his way in the wasteland of the 2016 Rams offense, I did a Thing where I looked at success rates drafting QB. First thing I realized was that I had to decide what success looked like for a QB - some easy statistics that would correlate with a QB who could help the team along with a decent defense. I came up with 5 metrics where it seemed like a QB who hit all 5 could do pretty well. Goff hit them all in 2017 & 2018. Hit 4 of 5 last 2 seasons. It's boggling my delicate young mind that a team is trading a 26 yr old QB who played in the SB 3 years ago and who has not totally sucked since then AND 2 first round picks for a 32 yr old QB with a plethora of injuries. It’s clear that Sean McVay thinks that any success that Goff had is because of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Virgil said: What would happen cap wise if the Lions turned around and traded Goff? nothing. His guarantees would get traded to the next team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Virgil said: What would happen cap wise if the Lions turned around and traded Goff? I dunno, but it would improve my "Tyrod Taylor will be the starting QB for the Lions in week one" prop bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Process said: If I had to guess at what the Texans would get for Watson and use the dolphins as an example, I'd say both of their firsts this year, a second this year, and Tua, minimum. Throw in next years first too. I would actually let them keep Tua if I am the Texans. Dolphins would probably end up trading Tua to another team. Glad Stafford went to the Rams. Now just need Watson to stay out of the AFC East. The 2021 QB's the Bills defense will face could be some very poor/young QB's: Dolhins x2 Tua? Jets x2 Darnold/Rookie? Patriots x2 Cam/Rookie? Panthers- Bridgewater/Rookie? Texans-??? if Watson holds out Colts- Brissett/Rookie? Steelers-Old Big Ben/Rookie?? Jaguars- Trevor Lawerence Saints- A RB/Jaemis Winston? That leaves games against the Falcons, Chiefs, Titans and Bucs with good QB's. Add the Texans if Watson doesn't hold out. I don't think he is being traded. At the very least, Texans will absolutely take it down to the season opener to try and at least call Watson's bluff on holding out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, FireChans said: It’s clear that Sean McVay thinks that any success that Goff had is because of him. The Disease of Me ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: The Rams trade more first round picks as if this is Madden. They just Keep adding more picks players until the computer says Yes. And yet they regularly make the playoffs each year ... including going 10-6 this year and winning a post season game.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, FireChans said: It’s clear that Sean McVay thinks that any success that Goff had is because of him. This. It is widely thought - and I agree with this to an extent - that McVey has coaxed Goff into being a just average QB. The idea behind the trade is that the offenses ceiling blows up with a QB capable of being good beyond the system and coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, Process said: If I had to guess at what the Texans would get for Watson and use the dolphins as an example, I'd say both of their firsts this year, a second this year, and Tua, minimum. More 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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