Doug Whaley Criticizes Sean McDermott’s Game Management vs Chiefs

[JohnNord]

This clip has generated a lot of interesting discussion.  Whaley echoes what a lot of fans have said about McDermott.  But because of past stint as GM, it’s pissed off a lot of fans.  
 

I’ll say this... I’ve listed to some of these podcasts and Doug isn’t really bitter.  If anything he takes the high road and goes out of his way not to say anything critical.  I feel that he doesn’t want to burn any bridges to get back to the NFL.  

 

I get why Bills fans are pissed though 
 

 

Edited January 27, 2021 by JohnNord

[Process]

He coached scared. We were completely outmatched, so it probably didn't cost us the game. But he 100% should be called out for it. 

 

Don't know why anyone would have a problem with that. 

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

This clip has generated a lot of interesting discussion.  Whaley echoes what a lot of fans have said about McDermott.  But because of past stint as GM, it’s pissed off a lot of fans.  
 

I’ll say this... I’ve listed to some of these podcasts and Doug isn’t really bitter.  If anything he takes the high road and goes out of his way not to say anything critical.  I feel that he doesn’t want to burn any bridges to get back to the NFL.  

 

I get why Bills fans are pissed though 
 

 

 

Bitter??
 

What would this clown be bitter about?--being promoted to a job he was ill-prepared to perform?  Being horrible at running an NFL franchise?  Being forever out the NFL on merit?

 

 

The BALLS on this bum.....

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, Process said:

He coached scared. We were completely outmatched, so it probably didn't cost us the game. But he 100% should be called out for it. 

 

Don't know why anyone would have a problem with that. 

 

Been supporting McDermott since day 1. Agree should be called out for it.

[BuffaloBills1998]

Doug Whaley has no room to talk. He was a horrible GM who hurt us cap wise while he was here and stuck us with Tyrod *****in Taylor for 3 years. I don’t give a ***** about his opinion. Sounds like he is still sour on being fired from Buffalo. Thank god for Beane

[Rico]

 

[Success]

I'm not a big fan of cliches like "you have to knock out the champ."  They completely oversimplify something as complex as situational football.

 

We were up against a superior opponent. I understand reverting to more conservative calls in some areas - I had no issue at all w/ the FG right before the half, and with playing more of a prevent D.  There were other calls I had some issues with, but McD knows a lot more than me, and he has earned my trust as a fan.

 

It's always fun for pundits to play HC in hindsight.

 

[Rico]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Bitter??
 

What would this clown be bitter about?--being promoted to a job he was ill-prepared to perform?  Being horrible at running an NFL franchise?  Being forever out the NFL on merit?

 

 

The BALLS on this bum.....

With the hack of all hacks Tyler Dunne trying to keep him relevant.

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Doug Whaley has no room to talk. He was a horrible GM who hurt us cap wise while he was here and stuck us with Tyrod *****in Taylor for 3 years. I don’t give a ***** about his opinion. Sounds like he is still sour on being fired from Buffalo. Thank god for Beane

yep this is true and that’s why people are annoyed.  Kind of like the guy who gets fired trying to tell you how to do your job 

[Scott7975]

I dont care what that guy has to say.  He failed as a GM.

[JohnNord]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Well he’s not wrong.... game was over when McD opted for the FG before half time to make it 21-12 when his defense couldn’t stop anything. You go for the TD there. He stands by the FG there even now. Slightly disappointing. 

Like I said, he didn’t say anything that most fans haven’t.  I think the resentment is there from fans because he was a pretty bad GM

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

 

 

yeah, but he had "that 'it' factor"

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

McD’s decision to kick in the first half based on “morale” was absolutely the right one. You could tell the team was shell shocked. They had to get points. I thought it was very astute coaching.
 

The national pundits didn’t see how aggressive he was all year, and how this was a total change from what he normally does— based on his very good instincts of looking at his team at that moment. 
 

The second half decision was too risk averse, as I think McD will now concede. But hindsight is 20/20. If the D had gotten a stop or turnover, it would have probably worked out pretty well. But they didn’t, and we spiraled down. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Rico said:

With the hack of all hacks Tyler Dunne trying to keep him relevant.

 

 

these 3 guys look like they are hunkered down, waiting for their next block of government cheese to wash down with their cases of Natty Light.

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

McD’s decision to kick in the first half based on “morale” was absolutely the right one. You could tell the team was shell shocked. They had to get points. I thought it was very astute coaching.
 

The national pundits didn’t see how aggressive he was all year, and how this was a total change from what he normally does— based on his very good instincts of looking at his team at that moment. 
 

The second half decision was too risk averse, as I think McD will now concede. But hindsight is 20/20. If the D had gotten a stop or turnover, it would have probably worked out pretty well. But they didn’t, and we spiraled down. 

The whole “morale” quote is somewhat taken out of context because moments later he admitted it was a mistake and that he would like to go for it at the end of the half.  Of course, that never gets reported 

[JohnNord]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

these 3 guys look like they are hunkered down, waiting for their next block of government cheese to wash down with their cases of Natty Light.

They haven’t been employed by an NFL franchise since they were ousted by McDermott

[Bangarang]

Whaley is still salty that McD canned his ass

[Steptide]

Who cares what anyone says really? It's all here say at this point. What I would love to know though (and we'll probably never know) is what they were thinking on defense. What about that game plan made them think they'd be successful? I believe McDermott and/or the coaching staff just plain out over thought this game. All year we heard about "taking what the defense gives Josh" type thing, but offensively it almost feels like they did the exact opposite. I just feel like the plan on both sides of the ball was way off 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

McD’s decision to kick in the first half based on “morale” was absolutely the right one. You could tell the team was shell shocked. They had to get points. I thought it was very astute coaching.
 

The national pundits didn’t see how aggressive he was all year, and how this was a total change from what he normally does— based on his very good instincts of looking at his team at that moment. 
 

The second half decision was too risk averse, as I think McD will now concede. But hindsight is 20/20. If the D had gotten a stop or turnover, it would have probably worked out pretty well. But they didn’t, and we spiraled down. 

 

 

Agreed, had to come away with points before the half.  The 4th Q is where the wheels really came off with the HC decision making.  Situational awareness....

[jkeerie]

1 minute ago, Success said:

I'm not a big fan of cliches like "you have to knock out the champ."  They completely oversimplify something as complex as situational football.

 

We were up against a superior opponent. I understand reverting to more conservative calls in some areas - I had no issue at all w/ the FG right before the half, and with playing more of a prevent D.  There were other calls I had some issues with, but McD knows a lot more than me, and he has earned my trust as a fan.

 

It's always fun for pundits to play HC in hindsight.

 

Totally agree.  And McD admitted today the decision to kick the second FG was a mistake.  He doesn't need any armchair front office wannabes to tell him that.  McD knows he has a lot to learn as a HC.  I'm glad we have a HC who is not thinking that he's "arrived" just because he has a title.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Whaley is still salty that McD canned his ass

go look back at right when Sean came aboard... Doug was like a wanna be smooth .... hey buddy how ya doing guy... Sean eats those guys for breakfast 

 

Doug seems intent to Brand Sean as playoff coward for life. 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

They haven’t been employed by an NFL franchise since they were ousted by McDermott

 

buncha bums

 

took McBeane a few seasons to get Whaley's stank off the Bills' hang low...

[JohnNord]

Whaley and Monos hired McDermott.

 

4 months later McDermott fired them 🤣

 

 

[y2zipper]

8 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

McD’s decision to kick in the first half based on “morale” was absolutely the right one. You could tell the team was shell shocked. They had to get points. I thought it was very astute coaching.
 

The national pundits didn’t see how aggressive he was all year, and how this was a total change from what he normally does— based on his very good instincts of looking at his team at that moment. 
 

The second half decision was too risk averse, as I think McD will now concede. But hindsight is 20/20. If the D had gotten a stop or turnover, it would have probably worked out pretty well. But they didn’t, and we spiraled down.

 

What's crazy is that everybody ripped Frank Reich going for it and not getting it in the Bills game for exactly the same reason that McDermott decided to take the three. 

 

if we're taking the hindsight call that game is over at 21 to 9 anyway because Buffalo didn't get another stop and they were overmatched so in the end we are analyzing decisions that probably don't matter.

 

In the context of the actual game at the end of the first half, you do have to make that morale call because it's irresponsible to try and put the game on the line there at the end of the first half.

[Process]

9 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

McD’s decision to kick in the first half based on “morale” was absolutely the right one. You could tell the team was shell shocked. They had to get points. I thought it was very astute coaching.
 

The national pundits didn’t see how aggressive he was all year, and how this was a total change from what he normally does— based on his very good instincts of looking at his team at that moment. 
 

The second half decision was too risk averse, as I think McD will now concede. But hindsight is 20/20. If the D had gotten a stop or turnover, it would have probably worked out pretty well. But they didn’t, and we spiraled down. 

Disagree, very strongly. 

[Just Jack]

The only management Whaley needs to concern himself with now is his manager at McDonalds not canning his ass. 

[Charles Romes]

McDermott has been getting more aggressive overall. He went for it 4th and 1 mid field first drive.   

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Whaley and Monos hired McDermott.

 

4 months later McDermott fired them 🤣

 

 

That second paragraph is a perfect example of why Tyler Dunne is a complete buffoon and maroon. He will always be remembered for his Buffalo Evening News articles defending the indefensible.

[JohnNord]

7 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Totally agree.  And McD admitted today the decision to kick the second FG was a mistake.  He doesn't need any armchair front office wannabes to tell him that.  McD knows he has a lot to learn as a HC.  I'm glad we have a HC who is not thinking that he's "arrived" just because he has a title.

But what gets tweeted is his “morale” quote. 

[GoBills808]

Whaley. Lol

[JohnNord]

2 minutes ago, Rico said:

That second paragraph is a perfect example of why Tyler Dunne is a complete buffoon and maroon. He will always be remembered for his Buffalo Evening News articles defending the indefensible.

Missed this one - what did he defend when he was there?

[Rico]

OP, thanks for this thread. Some good ol' Whaley bashing is just what I needed to take the edge off of Sunday's game.

[Niagara Dude]

29 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

This clip has generated a lot of interesting discussion.  Whaley echoes what a lot of fans have said about McDermott.  But because of past stint as GM, it’s pissed off a lot of fans.  
 

I’ll say this... I’ve listed to some of these podcasts and Doug isn’t really bitter.  If anything he takes the high road and goes out of his way not to say anything critical.  I feel that he doesn’t want to burn any bridges to get back to the NFL.  

 

I get why Bills fans are pissed though 
 

 

He is right,  even after we took 9 point lead,  rather then blitz CB'S on first play when KC got the ball we play soft zone and let KC just go down the field with little resistance.  We had them on the ropes and you need to go after their QB and even try to get him out of game.  Not even one hit on Mahomes who was coming off a concussion.  I just hope Frazier leaves which we need someone who attacks on defence

[Don Otreply]

Like it or not The game plan was not particularly good as we all saw, and there where not what one would call appropriate adjustments made at crucial points during the game.

 

 It is in all our hopes that this was the last time that the coaches coach in this fashion ever again, there are multiple reasons we lost, coaching decisions are at the top of the list. 
live and learn as the saying goes...  We shall return with a vengeance!

 

Go Bills!!!

[Ethan in Cleveland]

24 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Doug Whaley has no room to talk. He was a horrible GM who hurt us cap wise while he was here and stuck us with Tyrod *****in Taylor for 3 years. I don’t give a ***** about his opinion. Sounds like he is still sour on being fired from Buffalo. Thank god for Beane

Whaley and Beane both hurt us cap wise. Beane accelerated the process so he could get the roster he wanted.  We have cap issues again before paying Allen. Beane spends a lot of money on marginal free agents. 

[thenorthremembers]

He isnt wrong.  But he went a little far in saying "well he always says Iron Sharpens Iron"  he got personal there.  

 

However, one guy is leading an NFL franchise and the other guy is on a podcast.  Thats all you need to know.

1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Whaley and Beane both hurt us cap wise. Beane accelerated the process so he could get the roster he wanted.  We have cap issues again before paying Allen. Beane spends a lot of money on marginal free agents. 

Except Beane knows how to manage the cap by restructuring contracts instead on taking massive cap hits.  The Bills appear to be in cap trouble right now, but they release a few guys with low cap hits, and then restructure other players and they'll have 25-30 million in no time.

Edited January 27, 2021 by thenorthremembers

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Loved that.... very strange that he went conservative the rest of the way. Made 0 sense. 

Almost felt like he lost faith in defense and offense; it became damage limitation rather than taking the game to the Chiefs.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

For the record I have no issue with the FG before the half.  I question some of the play calls inside the 10 yard line more than I do not going for it on fourth down.

Also McDs biggest tactical mistake was going for 2 down 17. Makes no sense. Get the XP and make it a two score game.

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Missed this one - what did he defend when he was there?

He wrote many an article on all the great moves that took place during the end of the drought years.

[JohnNord]

5 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

He is right,  even after we took 9 point lead,  rather then blitz CB'S on first play when KC got the ball we play soft zone and let KC just go down the field with little resistance.  We had them on the ropes and you need to go after their QB and even try to get him out of game.  Not even one hit on Mahomes who was coming off a concussion.  I just hope Frazier leaves which we need someone who attacks on defence

The problem isn’t Frazier as much as it is a front 4 that doesn’t generate pressure and a MLB in Edmunds that isn’t physical and is easily fooled by fakes.  

If anytime the only pressure the Bills have gotten this year has been manufactured by blitzes or stunts / that’s all Frazier

 

Besides if the issue is scheme, nothing will change - its McDermott’s defense.

 

The problem is the Bills DL and LB’s....not Frazier

Edited January 27, 2021 by JohnNord