Chris Simms: I've never seen the Ravens D show that much respect to a QB

[Success]

Honestly, it reminds me a LOT of when we used to play Brady.  It was so dangerous to blitz him back in the day - Allen is starting to establish the same rep.

 

[zow2]

Well whatever the Ravens did it kinda worked. Bills only scored 10 offensive points.  Both clubs missed FGs and had some bad overthrows.  Obviously the wind was playing defense too. 

[stinky finger]

4 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean to be fair we'd just given up a bunch of rushing yards in the Colts game and were now going up against probably the top rushing team in the league.

 

To be fairer - we respected the Colt passing game. Ravens, not so much - and with good reason.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Did he happen to mention that he picked the Ravens to win the game?

 

I hope so. I have mentioned to him on twitter that he is a new entrant on the list of analysts we hate. I am up to 2,037 people on that list since I started keeping count.

 

Why can't they all just come on every week and say "The Bills are awesome and everyone else sucks" godammit? 

 

I need to take my pitch fork in for sharpening before the weekend predictions start.

[Buffalo Boy]

4 hours ago, teef said:

when he learns to unbutton the top button of that shirt, he'll have my attention.  not until then.

The shirt that just came out of the bag with the obvious folding pattern wrinkles? I LOVE that he’s too lazy to iron a shirt😂

Also, the cleaning lady was missing from this breakdown which really ruined it for me personally 😒

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Well whatever the Ravens did it kinda worked. Bills only scored 10 offensive points.  Both clubs missed FGs and had some bad overthrows.  Obviously the wind was playing defense too. 

 

The Ravens brought the wind?

[BearNorth]

Just think if Beasley, Brown, and Davis were 100% for this game?  Still need to get a stud tight end, or Knox needs to up his game. Josh was doing most of this with Diggs, and everyone else was nicked up.

 

[ganesh]

4 hours ago, Process said:

It's not Josh Allen. This offense has absolutely ZERO threat of a run game. Defenses can play us in a way they can't play any other team in the league. Sit back and go all out on taking away the deep stuff, knowing we can't do **** on the ground. 

 

Beane has some work to do this off-season. I am always against RBs in round 1, but we should just do it if that's what it takes. 

 

What Allen has been able to do this year is ridiculous. It's why anyone that tries to compare guys like Tannehill and Mayfield to him can't be taken seriously.

 

Can't wait to see what he does next year when hopefully we have the run game fixed. 

  

They have to give time for Moss to develop.  It is not that our RBs are bad....Our run blocking has been spotty.  play calling  for running has been spotty

37 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Just think if Beasley, Brown, and Davis were 100% for this game?  Still need to get a stud tight end, or Knox needs to up his game. Josh was doing most of this with Diggs, and everyone else was nicked up.

 

I think Knox was  a constant threat yesterday in the passing game.  The Ravens paid a lot of attention to him

[dave mcbride]

51 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I hope so. I have mentioned to him on twitter that he is a new entrant on the list of analysts we hate. I am up to 2,037 people on that list since I started keeping count.

 

Why can't they all just come on every week and say "The Bills are awesome and everyone else sucks" godammit? 

 

I need to take my pitch fork in for sharpening before the weekend predictions start.

I love Simms and he admitted it upfront. I suggest actually watching it! (Or maybe I’m missing some sarcasm ...)

Edited January 19, 2021 by dave mcbride

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Did he happen to mention that he picked the Ravens to win the game?

True but it's refreshing to see a national media figure actually did deeper into the game and not just give a surface level reaction.

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I hope so. I have mentioned to him on twitter that he is a new entrant on the list of analysts we hate. I am up to 2,037 people on that list since I started keeping count.

 

Why can't they all just come on every week and say "The Bills are awesome and everyone else sucks" godammit? 

 

I need to take my pitch fork in for sharpening before the weekend predictions start.

The issue most analysts have is that they cannot put the Bills in any kind of box. This team really finds different ways to win. The D morphs into whatever it needs to, in order to take away the other teams strength (easy to say, difficult to do) and the O also doesnt have an ego and does what is needed. Having said that, its Allen and Diggs that really keep the other team honest.

I have said it and will say it again - the Bills are winning like Belichick and Brady used to win: play disciplined football, minimize mistakes on O, dont lose your composure or cool in the most tense times (Colts and Ravens games), let the other team make key in-game mistakes and play the tough teams close. When Taron Johnson intercepted Jackson, the thought that came to mind (after I had screamed non stop for 5 minutes) is - hey that reminds me of Butler's interception of Wilson in Superbowl 49.

Much as I think the Bills will lose to the Chiefs, I wont be surprised if the game is really close or if the Bills sneakily pull it off at the very end.  

[billspro]

5 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

Great review of the game. He also says Allen is like Mahomes in that he has come to enjoy the blitz being thrown at him because he knows how to punish it now. "That's about as conservative I've seen the Ravens play on the defensive side of the ball EVER".

 

The section I'm quoting starts at 14 minutes

 

 

Simms is a fun follow

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

Well whatever the Ravens did it kinda worked. Bills only scored 10 offensive points.  Both clubs missed FGs and had some bad overthrows.  Obviously the wind was playing defense too. 

Another Monday, another Chris Simms Said Something About Josh Allen thread.

At least this time he's right about Allen. But it is true that the Ravens held the Bills to 10 offensive points and 220 total offensive yards. So the positive spin is "don't blitz Allen or he'll kill you," but the negative spin is the Ravens found a way to contain him.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Another Monday, another Chris Simms Said Something About Josh Allen thread.

At least this time he's right about Allen. But it is true that the Ravens held the Bills to 10 offensive points and 220 total offensive yards. So the positive spin is "don't blitz Allen or he'll kill you," but the negative spin is the Ravens found a way to contain him.

 

No, they didn't.  The wind did.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

The Ravens brought the wind?

 

Only someone with experience in New England can buy the wind.

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

 

I'm sorry man, but I couldn't disagree more.  We have a top 5 offense, with a crazy effective passing attack.  But we should draft an RB in Round 1 so we can "fix" the running game?  And maybe have an 18th ranked offense so we can play Jauron-ball?  SMH

 

Running backs can be involved in the passing game too. We had a great screen set up against Baltimore but Singletary slipped. When he doesn't slip it takes him too long to get going so the defense catches up to him. I just don't see it with him. Drafting a RB in the 1st when you still need a QB or a #1 WR is dumb, but if you're drafting at the end of the 1st and you just need that finishing touch on your offense it's not a bad pick at all. As long as they can catch and accelerate.

Edited January 19, 2021 by HappyDays

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Dude, as impressed as we all are with the dynamic passing attack the Bills have you'd have to be pretty naive to think they'll be any sustainable success in the future if they don't establish a competent run game soon.

 

Doesn't have to be elite, just competent. 

 

Exactly this. The problem with our rush offense is defenses are giving it zero respect and they're being proven right. When we played the Chiefs we did what teams are doing to us, we backed off into deep zones and begged the Chiefs to run the ball. The difference is they were able to do it successfully to the tune of 245 yards. Imagine if they had our run offense in that game. We would have completely shut them down. Defenses are giving us numbers in the box where even a mediocre rush attack should be able to gash them and we're scraping together 2 yards at a time. Our short yardage runs must be bottom of the league. Just an average rush game next year takes our offense to another level.

[FireChans]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Running backs can be involved in the passing game too. We had a great screen set up against Baltimore but Singletary slipped. When he doesn't slip it takes him too long to get going so the defense catches up to him. I just don't see it with him. Drafting a RB in the 1st when you still need a QB or a #1 WR is dumb, but if you're drafting at the end of the 1st and you just need that finishing touch on your offense it's not a bad pick at all. As long as they can catch and accelerate.

Late 1st round RB is such a a mismanagement of resources.

[Big Turk]

6 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean to be fair we'd just given up a bunch of rushing yards in the Colts game and were now going up against probably the top rushing team in the league.

 

That is just people looking at stats instead of watching the game. Lazy analysis. The Colts averaged under 3 YPC thru 3 quarters when the Bills focused on the run.  When the Bills went up 14 in the 4th and went back to their normal 2 high safety shell because they thought the Colts would just throw the ball, then the Colts busted off 3 long runs against them which greatly skewed the average making it look like the Colts were effective running all day when they were only really effective on 2 drives in the 4the quarter and were completely bottled up prior to that.

Edited January 19, 2021 by Big Turk

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Late 1st round RB is such a a mismanagement of resources.

 

Take away the late and I'd agree. I think pick 25 and later is exactly when the RB value becomes worth it. Not that I'm begging the Bills to draft one there but if they like an RB at that spot it would be a valuable upgrade. They still have to draft the right player though. Edwards-Helaire has been a disappointment IMO. The Chiefs mistake wasn't drafting a RB at the end of the 1st, it was picking a middling player (so far). But even a middling player can pick up yards when the defense is dropping into deep zones. As of right now the Bills can't even do that.

[Motorin']

22 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Late 1st round RB is such a a mismanagement of resources.

Not when you're getting an Alvin Kamara who's deadly in the passing game.

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Take away the late and I'd agree. I think pick 25 and later is exactly when the RB value becomes worth it. Not that I'm begging the Bills to draft one there but if they like an RB at that spot it would be a valuable upgrade. They still have to draft the right player though. Edwards-Helaire has been a disappointment IMO. The Chiefs mistake wasn't drafting a RB at the end of the 1st, it was picking a middling player (so far). But even a middling player can pick up yards when the defense is dropping into deep zones. As of right now the Bills can't even do that.

Nah. You can still get blue chip pass rushers, DB’s and WR’s in the late first. RB is a non-starter. The value is not there.

5 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

Not when you're getting an Alvin Kamara who's deadly in the passing game.

He was drafted in the third lol thank you for the assist.

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Dude, as impressed as we all are with the dynamic passing attack the Bills have you'd have to be pretty naive to think they'll be any sustainable success in the future if they don't establish a competent run game soon. Honestly I'm surprised they've gotten this far. What Allen, Diggs and the offense have done this season is nothing short of remarkable. This is similar to what Baltimore did last year before they got figured out this year.  Catch everyone by surprise with unconventional offense. I wouldn't expect the same results next year without a good rush attack. Doesn't have to be elite, just competent. 

I agree next year they need some run game but.... On the year they have 56 yards less than KC does. The ypc is 4.4 to 4.2.  Not much difference

[Motorin']

26 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Nah. You can still get blue chip pass rushers, DB’s and WR’s in the late first. RB is a non-starter. The value is not there.

He was drafted in the third lol thank you for the assist.

Andy Reid disagrees

[McMuffin]

Chris Simms is also on record saying that he doesn’t think the Bills will beat KC.

 

Edited January 19, 2021 by McMuffin
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[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Exactly this. The problem with our rush offense is defenses are giving it zero respect and they're being proven right. When we played the Chiefs we did what teams are doing to us, we backed off into deep zones and begged the Chiefs to run the ball. The difference is they were able to do it successfully to the tune of 245 yards. Imagine if they had our run offense in that game. We would have completely shut them down. Defenses are giving us numbers in the box where even a mediocre rush attack should be able to gash them and we're scraping together 2 yards at a time. Our short yardage runs must be bottom of the league. Just an average rush game next year takes our offense to another level.

Last year this time everyone was talking about how the teams that can effectively run the ball are rising to the top in the playoffs.

The Ravens stop Derrick Henry cold, the Bills stop the Ravens running game cold, and all of a sudden the running game doesn't matter in the 2020s NFL.

Balance still counts, and the lack of a reliable run game is still a concern for me. I don't think it means we can't win, just that the ability to run the ball effectively would obviously help.

[FireChans]

25 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

Andy Reid disagrees

And CEH wasn’t even the best RB in his class, let alone worth a late first.

 

Wasted picks like that is how you end up shortening a Super Bowl window.

[mannc]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

And CEH wasn’t even the best RB in his class, let alone worth a late first.

 

Wasted picks like that is how you end up shortening a Super Bowl window.

Edwards-Helaire actually was the best back in the class, and I don’t think Andy Reid has any buyer’s remorse...he had a really good year before he got hurt and they’ve struggled to replace him.  It was hardly a wasted pick.  A luxury pick, perhaps...

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Edwards-Helaire actually was the best back in the class, and I don’t think Andy Reid has any buyer’s remorse...he had a really good year before he got hurt and they’ve struggled to replace him.  It was hardly a wasted pick.  A luxury pick, perhaps...

No he wasn’t. 
 

Taylor had way more yards. Yes he played more games but he also had a way better YPC.

 

JK Dobbins had more rushing yards than CEH on 50 less carries!

 

Antonio Gibson had 8 less yards on 11 less carries with 7 more rushing TDs.

 

At best CEH had the third best rookie RB year this year and you could argue 4th. That’s HORRIFIC value for a first round pick, even at pick #32.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Exactly this. The problem with our rush offense is defenses are giving it zero respect and they're being proven right. When we played the Chiefs we did what teams are doing to us, we backed off into deep zones and begged the Chiefs to run the ball. The difference is they were able to do it successfully to the tune of 245 yards. Imagine if they had our run offense in that game. We would have completely shut them down. Defenses are giving us numbers in the box where even a mediocre rush attack should be able to gash them and we're scraping together 2 yards at a time. Our short yardage runs must be bottom of the league. Just an average rush game next year takes our offense to another level.

 

No, actually our power run percentage is pretty much middle of the league and we convert about 66% of the time...much better than last year when it was bottom of the league. The worst short yardage running team is actually KC, converting only 51%. They also have a worse stuff rate than the Bills, meaning a higher percentage of runs for losses.

 

All evidence points to the Bills simply not running enough rather than us really being bad at it.  Our RB's averaged 4.5 YPC this year(11th in the NFL), which is above average, actually better than KC's 4.2 YPC average(18th).

Edited January 19, 2021 by Big Turk

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The Ravens brought the wind?

 

Wind played for both teams

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

No he wasn’t. 
 

Taylor had way more yards. Yes he played more games but he also had a way better YPC.

 

JK Dobbins had more rushing yards than CEH on 50 less carries!

 

Antonio Gibson had 8 less yards on 11 less carries with 7 more rushing TDs.

 

At best CEH had the third best rookie RB year this year and you could argue 4th. That’s HORRIFIC value for a first round pick, even at pick #32.

It’s not horrific value.  He went a few picks before Taylor.  And if you happened to see Taylor’s hands during the wild card game, you know why Reid didn’t want him over CEH.  Those other backs are good too, but they aren’t necessarily better than CEH.  (I thought you were going to mention Akers, who looks really good.) i don’t see him as a “wasted pick” just because a few other backs had somewhat better stats.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Our running backs have averaged 4.8 ypc over the last 8 games. The worst part of our run game is how little we use it even when it makes sense to.

 

Not doubting you, just wondering where you found these data?

 

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

All evidence points to the Bills simply not running enough rather than us really being bad at it.  Our RB's averaged 4.5 YPC this year(11th in the NFL), which is above average, actually better than KC's 4.2 YPC average(18th).

 

Eh I don't especially value YPC as the end all be all of RB rankings. It doesn't tell you how consistent your rush offense is or how well it can pick up yards in critical situations.

 

I much prefer DVOA for that sort of thing because it contextualizes their production:

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/rb/2020

 

By that measurement Singletary is 37th and Moss is 32nd. I know their individual play isn't the only problem, run blocking and scheme are issues too. But neither of them has shown they can be a #1 RB in this league. And that isn't a position you get time to develop. You either have it or you don't.

 

Chiefs rushing offense isn't particularly strong, true. But still better than ours:

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-offense/2020

 

They're ranked 13th, we're 22nd. And if you want an idea of how far apart we are, Green Bay is ranked 5th, but the difference between Green Bay and Kansas City is smaller than the difference between us and Kansas City. Our ranking also includes designed Allen runs which presumably make our ranking look even better than if you just included the RBs.

 

All the evidence says we need a serious upgrade next year to make our offense more balanced. Not that I want us to move away from a pass first mentality but it would be nice to get some kind of consistent production from our RBs, if only to keep defenses a little bit honest.

[billspro]

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Another Monday, another Chris Simms Said Something About Josh Allen thread.

At least this time he's right about Allen. But it is true that the Ravens held the Bills to 10 offensive points and 220 total offensive yards. So the positive spin is "don't blitz Allen or he'll kill you," but the negative spin is the Ravens found a way to contain him.

Allen would have put up more points if we needed it

[Punching Bag]

56 minutes ago, McMuffin said:

Chris Simms is also on record saying that he doesn’t think the Bills will beat KC.

 

 

Chris Simms has a lot of respect for Josh but there are some parts of our team he believes do not match up but he has shown lots of respect to Bills.

[gobills404]

14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not doubting you, just wondering where you found these data?  Excluding the Ravens game I make it 4.5?

 

I should've specified I meant our last 8 including the playoffs (so starting with the chargers game) and not the last 8 regular season games.

[78thealltimegreat]

8 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

He did. 

 

I was listening to Ross Tucker's podcast earlier and he was saying he'd been getting tweets calling him a traitor for picking the Ravens. He had to explain that just because he thought the Ravens would win it doesn't mean he doesn't want the Bills to win.

 

I really like Simms. Says what he really thinks instead of chasing clicks and views. He was high on Allen before the draft, I saw one show where I'm pretty sure people were laughing at him for saying he was the best of the 2018 class

Yeh I like Chris excellent evaluation of the Colts game last week and how if Josh doesn’t make 5 or 6 plays only he can make the Bills aren’t even playing the Ravens 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

4 hours ago, ganesh said:

They have to give time for Moss to develop.  It is not that our RBs are bad....Our run blocking has been spotty.  play calling  for running has been spotty

 

Totally agree with you on this. Our oline is far better at pass blocking than run blocking. We need to at least run enough to keep the defense honest and set up the play action passes, which have worked well in games we at least attempt to establish a running game.

 

I don't see why Singletary shouldn't carry the rock more, he showed great promise the second half of last year. He should be getting around 12-15 carries a game right now. I'd love to see Williams get activated for this game to see what he can do. He looked really good against what was the #1 ranked defense entering week 17.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, McMuffin said:

Chris Simms is also on record saying that he doesn’t think the Bills will beat KC.

 

Is he now?  When did he say this?

 

I like Chris Simms but sheesh, with friends like him....