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26 minutes ago, Big74Mac said:

There are some guys on that list that should never make the hall much less be on this list. Total crime Tasker is not on this list. 

Why? Tasker played 169 career regular season NFL games. How many would you honestly say he alone was a game changer for? I honestly don't know but think 16 is a high estimate which is less than 10% of his career. I'm sorry he played well and maybe was arguably the best at his position but just a role player at most. I've compared him to the best career pinch hitter in the MLB who I can't name off the top of my head and pretty sure they aren't a HOFer.

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4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Why? Tasker played 169 career regular season NFL games. How many would you honestly say he alone was a game changer for? I honestly don't know but think 16 is a high estimate which is less than 10% of his career. I'm sorry he played well and maybe was arguably the best at his position but just a role player at most. I've compared him to the best career pinch hitter in the MLB who I can't name off the top of my head and pretty sure they aren't a HOFer.

 

If Ray Guy is in as the best punter ever then Tasker deserves to be in as a player who revolutionized the game and made coaches pay attention to special teams when many didn't.

 

The HOF needs to stop creating moving targets for eligibility.

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6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

If Ray Guy is in as the best punter ever then Tasker deserves to be in as a player who revolutionized the game and made coaches pay attention to special teams when many didn't.

 

The HOF needs to stop creating moving targets for eligibility.

Guy played 38 more regular season games than Tasker despite playing in seasons that were 14 games long and was part of 3 Super Bowl winning teams. Sorry he has a better resume in my eyes even as a Bills fan.

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19 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Guy played 38 more regular season games than Tasker despite playing in seasons that were 14 games long and was part of 3 Super Bowl winning teams. Sorry he has a better resume in my eyes even as a Bills fan.

 

Did he revolutionize the game? Did he start coffin corner punting when everyone else just kicked it straight? Did he kick the ball super high to force a fair catch when everyone else hit line drives?

 

So a guy who just did his job well at a relatively unheralded position has a better resume than a guy who changed how the entire position and game was played in terms of special teams and how players made the team based on their ability to do that well when they may otherwise have been out of the league? What Tasker did still resonates 30+ years after the fact and paved the way for guys like Matthew Slater and Tyler Matakevich all the other great special teams players that basically only have that role on the team.

 

That's a hard argument for me to buy.  It goes beyond what Tasker actually did on the field which was great. It effects how the entire NFL does things to this day.

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14 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Did he revolutionize the game? Did he start coffin corner punting when everyone else just kicked it straight? Did he kick the ball super high to force a fair catch when everyone else hit line drives?

 

So a guy who just did his job well at a relatively unheralded position has a better resume than a guy who changed how the entire position and game was played in terms of special teams and how players made the team based on their ability to do that well when they may otherwise have been out of the league? What Tasker did still resonates 30+ years after the fact and paved the way for guys like Matthew Slater and Tyler Matakevich all the other great special teams players that basically only have that role on the team.

 

That's a hard argument for me to buy.  It goes beyond what Tasker actually did on the field which was great. It effects how the entire NFL does things to this day.

Different in eras played, Tasker played in the Sportscenter generation aka highlights a plenty. I'm sorry I could argue Matthew Slater as good if not better than Tasker but neither IMO are HOFers. 

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41 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Different in eras played, Tasker played in the Sportscenter generation aka highlights a plenty. I'm sorry I could argue Matthew Slater as good if not better than Tasker but neither IMO are HOFers. 

 

You could but he wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for Tasker. That's the point. Slater calls Tasker "The Godfather of Special Teams" and says he wouldn't be in the league if it wasn't for Tasker. He reveres the man...

 

Pretty sure no punter talks about Ray Guy like that.

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3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

You could but he wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for Tasker. That's the point. Slater calls Tasker "The Godfather of Special Teams" and says he wouldn't be in the league if it wasn't for Tasker. He reveres the man...

 

Pretty sure no punter talks about Ray Guy like that.

Tasker absolutely belongs. And he'll get there eventually. Might have to wait for some new voters, though.

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9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

You could but he wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for Tasker. That's the point. Slater calls Tasker "The Godfather of Special Teams" and says he wouldn't be in the league if it wasn't for Tasker. He reveres the man...

 

Pretty sure no punter talks about Ray Guy like that.

And did you know who played before Tasker and caused the NFL to make a Pro Bowl spot for special teamers? I doubt it unless were a Cowboys fan.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Bates

Tasker should be thanking him tbh.

 

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2 hours ago, Big74Mac said:

There are some guys on that list that should never make the hall much less be on this list. Total crime Tasker is not on this list. 

Reggie Wayne, Ronde Barber, Jared Allen, Zach Thomas & Richard Seymour have no business being near the Hall of Fame.

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3 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

And did you know who played before Tasker and caused the NFL to make a Pro Bowl spot for special teamers? I doubt it unless were a Cowboys fan.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Bates

Tasker should be thanking him tbh.

 


seems like that dude should be in canton first...great history lesson and thx! 
 

Also ask any non Bills fan if you’d rather Mel Gray or Tasker, who was far more of a game changer imo, for his team. 

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5 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Why? Tasker played 169 career regular season NFL games. How many would you honestly say he alone was a game changer for? I honestly don't know but think 16 is a high estimate which is less than 10% of his career. I'm sorry he played well and maybe was arguably the best at his position but just a role player at most. I've compared him to the best career pinch hitter in the MLB who I can't name off the top of my head and pretty sure they aren't a HOFer.

 

Honestly I do not think no matter what facts presented you will dismiss them.  Same thing which occurs with some sports writers which is why he is not in Hall of Fame.

 

Only a little bit of research would have multiple coaches and players have stated they treated Tasker like they treated him like a #1 DE or WR assigning multiple players to block. They actually made rule changes to lesson his impact to game.

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12 hours ago, Big74Mac said:

There are some guys on that list that should never make the hall much less be on this list. Total crime Tasker is not on this list. 

Boselli to me is a very hard sell.  Most others I get but Boselli really only have a few good seasons and never struck me as a dominant player.

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2 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Boselli to me is a very hard sell.  Most others I get but Boselli really only have a few good seasons and never struck me as a dominant player.

Boselli was the best at his position before he got injured. That said I don't think his career was long enough to be a Hall of Famer. 

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7 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Honestly I do not think no matter what facts presented you will dismiss them.  Same thing which occurs with some sports writers which is why he is not in Hall of Fame.

 

Only a little bit of research would have multiple coaches and players have stated they treated Tasker like they treated him like a #1 DE or WR assigning multiple players to block. They actually made rule changes to lesson his impact to game.

im too young to remember tasker... what kinds of things did they change for him? ive always read this but never heard specifically what they changed

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4 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

im too young to remember tasker... what kinds of things did they change for him? ive always read this but never heard specifically what they changed

 

As example they used to use three man blocking teams on special teams (illegal currently) to stop Tasker. 

So to get around this Tasker would run along sideline out of bounds and then reenter and still be able make tackle.

To get all of the rule changes would need copy of rules before and after but I lost them between many computers.

 

 

4 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

Still wish they coached Tasker up to play safety, at least in a reserve role. Hard time convincing me he wouldn’t have been good. He was underrated as a receiver. Then he’d be in the Hall as a three position player. 

 

Yes.  There was a game he played against Jets where they used him as WR due to injuries and he was unstoppable until a player deliberately lowered his helmet and hit his knee.

 

20 years ago (?) I had 2 websites when Tasker was eligible for Hall of Fame. One was taken down by Cox when they decided to not support customer websites (price did not go down despite it being part of what they advertised) and another free website closed down.  A friend of Steve's told me he saw it and appreciated it but Steve is not a self promoter.

 

Still have backup (not latest copy) of website here:

https://members.tripod.com/g_host/st_index.html

I have not updated it in years.

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6 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Boselli was the best at his position before he got injured. That said I don't think his career was long enough to be a Hall of Famer. 

I thought Boselli was absolutely dominant. The best in the game for a 5 year stretch. 

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4 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Can somebody elaborate a bit what was so special about Tasker? I had no idea football even existed at 90s, so I really don't know. I've read many times here how he changed the way how special teams play but I have no idea in what way.

Do you know what a gunner is?

 

He was the best gunner the league has ever seen.


He should get it for that reason alone.

 

 

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