Winning...But Undisciplined and Sloppy

[clayboy54]

3 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

I agree with you on the sloppiness of the game and how that will hurt against better opponents. But some of those unsportsmanlike penalties were just bad calls. Like the one on Moss was something you see on any given play in any other game.

The Chargers are a good team with a bad coach.

 

This game really did have poor officiating, not like ones we typically complain about.

 

The Bills did some things really well. Things they did not do well before today. Bosa made it real tough on Josh today, but that’s what Bosa does. He’s a great one.

[Don Otreply]

12 minutes ago, Sweats said:

.....and barely beat a 3-7 team

 

Aye Carumba 

Two score double digit win my friend, 👍

 

Go Bills!!!

[LABILLBACKER]

20 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Bring back running laps.  Blown coverage?  Five laps of the field.  Dumb penalties?  Take a lap!  Laces wrong on the field goal attempt?  Bojo, take a lap!

Give up back to back hail Marys....20 laps for selfishly trying for the INT instead of batting the F- ing ball down. 

[billsfan_34]

29 minutes ago, Wizard said:

Yes, a win is a win. And, yes, Daboll's offensive playcalling and Bills scoring has improved. Kudos and cheers for a win.

 

But, it is time to move into the level of contenders. I think what separates our playoff-bound Bills from the Chiefs, Steelers, and Titans is not executing consistently or with a killer urgency.

 

Against the Chargers we can get away with an undisciplined, sloppy, and the inability

 of not finishing off opponents.

 

A critical fumble, an interception, multiple unsportsmanlike penalties, and the lack of finishing an opponent at the end if the game is now a trend not a one-off moment.  Add in the generally overly conservative second half  playcalling once again, and this is pause for concern. 

 

Time for Josh to take the next level of consistent greatness, McDermott laying into his players for undisciplined play, and Daboll getting his offense to execute and finish.

 

We should expect better execution, consistency, and a first round playoff win this year.

 

Let's Go, Buffalo!

 

 

2 unsportsmans were utter bs- actually 3. Allens spin, moss’s flip of the ball behind his back and the tackle on Herbert at the legs when hes out off the pocket and running. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Dubs. “Knowing how to win close games is more valuable than knowing how to win blow outs...” Confucius (not really, but you get the point) 

Edited November 29, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[LABILLBACKER]

20 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

The unsportsmanlike penalties against both  Moss and Davis are laughable, so was the one official who didn’t throw the flag initially on the OPI on San Diego at the end of the game (right before Hail Mary #2🤦‍♂️)

Did you notice that candy ass ref was reaching for his flag but stopped. Then he throws his flag later after his crew threw theirs. These refs are children.

[PolishPrince]

21 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

The unsportsmanlike penalties against both  Moss and Davis are laughable, so was the one official who didn’t throw the flag initially on the OPI on San Diego at the end of the game (right before Hail Mary #2🤦‍♂️)

The roughness on Poyer vs Keenan Allen laughable too IMO. He hits dude in back as he is falling forward near first down marker. Didnt target or hit him outstretched

[MJS]

So I guess a win is NOT a win? I'm confused by the mixed messaging...

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

22 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

That call on Moss was a headscratcher...initially I thought he threw the ball at the Charger defender when he got up but then the other angle showed he threw it nowhere near him and he was just giving the ball back...that was a terrible call.

 

8-3 bro...8-3.

 

Yeah the one on Allen you could kind of understand the call.  Did Allen think and do it deliberately near the defender or was it just instinct, I'll assume instinct, but the Moss call was silly.

[HalftimeAdjustment]

The Moss penalty was a pure phantom call.

[Jobot]

I'm hopeful that the amount of whiny posts complaining about a team not playing a perfect game during a week 11 VICTORY doesn't become the norm for us Bills fans..

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

2 unsportsmans were utter bs- actually 3. Allens spin, moss’s flip of the ball behind his back and the tackle on Herbert at the legs when hes out off the pocket and running. 

 

Allen's spin was clear taunting (and I was still glad he did it because the Chargers were playing to injure people out there) and the roughing call wasn't on Tre's low tackle, they called it on Oliver for either being late or leading with his head.

That being said, the officiating crew was probably the worst unit on the field today

[Weatherman]

36 minutes ago, Wizard said:

Yes, a win is a win. And, yes, Daboll's offensive playcalling and Bills scoring has improved. Kudos and cheers for a win.

 

But, it is time to move into the level of contenders. I think what separates our playoff-bound Bills from the Chiefs, Steelers, and Titans is not executing consistently or with a killer urgency.

 

Against the Chargers we can get away with an undisciplined, sloppy, and the inability

 of not finishing off opponents.

 

A critical fumble, an interception, multiple unsportsmanlike penalties, and the lack of finishing an opponent at the end if the game is now a trend not a one-off moment.  Add in the generally overly conservative second half  playcalling once again, and this is pause for concern. 

 

Time for Josh to take the next level of consistent greatness, McDermott laying into his players for undisciplined play, and Daboll getting his offense to execute and finish.

 

We should expect better execution, consistency, and a first round playoff win this year.

 

Let's Go, Buffalo!

 

 

It’s become apparent that we don’t use the bye week effectively.  This is the third year in a row we’ve come out flat after a bye.  That’s 100% on coaching and locker room leadership.  

[NickelCity]

1 minute ago, Jobot said:

I'm hopeful that the amount of whiny posts complaining about a team not playing a perfect game during a week 11 VICTORY doesn't become the norm for us Bills fans..

 

If it means winning, I'll take it as the norm.

[Wizard]

Appreciate the thoughts. There are two camps primarily on such wins.

 

Those that revel in a victory and rightfully so, and those who are somewhat pessimistic in a win because the expectation after 20+ years is to be a consistent and perennial playoff team for awhile.

 

Neither line of thinking is bad; however, I fall in the second camp as this is what I believe is Buffalo's next step toward competing for a championship in the near future.

 

Appreciate the thoughts.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

25 minutes ago, Sweats said:

.....and barely beat a 3-7 team

 

Aye Carumba 

That 3-7 team has not lost a game by more than one score all year...they lost two games by more than one score all season last year.  And we were expecting a blowout?

[Jobot]

2 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

If it means winning, I'll take it as the norm.

 

It boggles my mind that so many fans assume what we're watching is a finished product.  We're in the middle of year 4 of McDermott's time in Buffalo.. but realistically this is his year 1 based on the roster turnover he needed to get through.

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

This was the same game they’ve played under McD for a while now. Get out to a big lead and slowly squander it. Something weird with the mentality of the team... don’t really expect much in the playoffs, maybe they get their ***** together but they aren’t in the same league as the Chiefs.

 

You do realize that the Chiefs are the best team in the NFL... and it's not even close, right? They have possibly one of the best offenses in the history of the game.

 

This is the first season that McDermott has had HIS guys and only his guys on the team after turning over the roster... And it's about halfway through ONE season. So my point.. get some realistic expectations.

[Beast]

31 minutes ago, Sweats said:

.....and barely beat a 3-7 team

 

Aye Carumba 

 

Barely?

 

If winning by 10 points is barely....

 

Smh

[BillsFanSD]

41 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

The Int I can deal with, QB's make bad throws, but the fumble by Allen is just plain dumb, he needs to simply fall on it.  

No.  Conservatively, I'd guess that I see a QB pick that up and do something with it probably every other week or so.  Trying to pick it up is fine.  Were you asleep during the Dallas game last year?

[Real McClappy]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

This was the same game they’ve played under McD for a while now. Get out to a big lead and slowly squander it. Something weird with the mentality of the team... don’t really expect much in the playoffs, maybe they get their ***** together but they aren’t in the same league as the Chiefs.

Agreed, but hoping we get more than that. The Bills have the tools they just need to finish it! Being up 24-6 we always find a way to let them back in. I think the turnovers were our anomaly for the year though as this game could have been in the 40's for us today. 

 

We still beat a team we should beat. 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, Wizard said:

Appreciate the thoughts. There are two camps primarily on such wins.

 

Those that revel in a victory and rightfully so, and those who are somewhat pessimistic in a win because the expectation after 20+ years is to be a consistent and perennial playoff team for awhile.

 

Neither line of thinking is bad; however, I fall in the second camp as this is what I believe is Buffalo's next step toward competing for a championship in the near future.

 

Appreciate the thoughts.

Bills have been weak defensively all season and they finally stepped up against a good offensive team.  They're not going to fumble on back to back drives every game.  They made mistakes and still won quite comfortably. That is exactly what good teams that are perennial playoff contenders do.  

[Jobot]

35 minutes ago, Sweats said:

.....and barely beat a 3-7 team

 

Aye Carumba 

 

Basing your entire argument on the opponents record alone... you'll fit in great in this sub... smh

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 minutes ago, Weatherman said:

It’s become apparent that we don’t use the bye week effectively.  This is the third year in a row we’ve come out flat after a bye.  That’s 100% on coaching and locker room leadership.  

Honestly how were we flat? Do fans have an amount of points in mind that we have to meet? Joey Bosa obliterated us. 

 

12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

This was the same game they’ve played under McD for a while now. Get out to a big lead and slowly squander it. Something weird with the mentality of the team... don’t really expect much in the playoffs, maybe they get their ***** together but they aren’t in the same league as the Chiefs.

I think this is unrealistic expectations on our part to be honest...quite a few of these games where we 'squander' leads we actually lead wire to wire and win lol no one is in the same league as the chiefs they are pretty close to '07 patriots good 

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Ok? Sorry. I have higher expectations... Just doesn’t look like a team that can compete for a championship but maybe they prove me wrong. 

I respect that...I mean some people will view those back to back fumbles as poor execution that the team might continue and some will see it as a fluke.  Were trying to project future outcomes based on the game today and the huge question mark for us being competitive has been the defense and they did their job.  

[Helpmenow]

15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Ok? Sorry. I have higher expectations... Just doesn’t look like a team that can compete for a championship but maybe they prove me wrong. 

I think being a fan for over fifty years is frustrating. Some of these rookies on here kill me. They haven’t seen a lot of bills football. Most don’t even live here

[wvbillsfan]

39 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Did you notice that candy ass ref was reaching for his flag but stopped. Then he throws his flag later after his crew threw theirs. These refs are children.

I noticed that crap. It’s either a flag or it isn’t. 

[Hampton Josh fan]

Ball security was an issue, but other than the blown "Hail Mary", their defense was as good as I've seen it. Maybe  Seattle was as good. 

[NickelCity]

30 minutes ago, Jobot said:

 

It boggles my mind that so many fans assume what we're watching is a finished product.  We're in the middle of year 4 of McDermott's time in Buffalo.. but realistically this is his year 1 based on the roster turnover he needed to get through.

 

You're projecting a lot onto my comment. I was simply reacting to a statement you made about hoping the norm doesn't become winning and nitpicking. I was saying that as long as we're winning, I'll put up with annoying fans!

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

26 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

No.  Conservatively, I'd guess that I see a QB pick that up and do something with it probably every other week or so.  Trying to pick it up is fine.  Were you asleep during the Dallas game last year?

 

Yes I recall the play against Dallas, believe at that point they were still behind or still very close.  Here was a point where you more have the game in hand, so at that point protecting the football should become more a priority. 

 

Agree  that you see it every week, works sometimes, but not always which goes back to my point when protecting lead, you don't need to be a hero, you need to be smart.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, Helpmenow said:

I think being a fan for over fifty years is frustrating. Some of these rookies on here kill me. They haven’t seen a lot of bills football. Most don’t even live here

Thats certainly understandable but how do previous bills teams have anything to do with what this current team can do going forward this season... I keep seeing 'same old bills' posts every time an opposing team scores in the game day threads but we end up holding leads and finishing games unlike those bills of the entire last decade 🤣 clearly things are changing.  Were assuming we are getting lucky and will start losing close games simply because bills teams of old did? It makes zero sense. This team is more likely to improve going forward than start losing close games ...the defense has been playing far below its potential.  Likely because we had quite a few new pieces that couldn't get acclimated as easily due to the covid debacle. 

[stevestojan]

1 hour ago, Wizard said:

Yes, a win is a win. And, yes, Daboll's offensive playcalling and Bills scoring has improved. Kudos and cheers for a win.

 

But, it is time to move into the level of contenders. I think what separates our playoff-bound Bills from the Chiefs, Steelers, and Titans is not executing consistently or with a killer urgency.

 

Against the Chargers we can get away with an undisciplined, sloppy, and the inability

 of not finishing off opponents.

 

A critical fumble, an interception, multiple unsportsmanlike penalties, and the lack of finishing an opponent at the end if the game is now a trend not a one-off moment.  Add in the generally overly conservative second half  playcalling once again, and this is pause for concern. 

 

Time for Josh to take the next level of consistent greatness, McDermott laying into his players for undisciplined play, and Daboll getting his offense to execute and finish.

 

We should expect better execution, consistency, and a first round playoff win this year.

 

Let's Go, Buffalo!

 

 

You had me at “a win is a win.” 

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, delirious said:

What frustrates me so much is the amount of McDermott preaching fundamentals and mental toughness, and week in and week out, we play so undisciplined and shoot ourselves in the foot. 

 

Seems to be the same mistakes or types or mistakes that are being repeatedly made.  The failure to learn/adapt/correct is beyond frustrating.

 

We also just can't seem to stand prosperity.  

[TigerJ]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

.....and barely beat a 3-7 team

 

Aye Carumba 

The 10 point loss for the Chargers actually ties for the biggest loss of the season for the Chargers.  They lost to the Jaguars 39-29.  The lost to the Chiefs and NO Saints by 3 points each.  Fortunately the league does not award style points.  

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said:

Who are these teams that are winning 'pretty'?

 

Maybe the Chiefs?

Saints. They are the best team in the NFC right now.

[LVGrown]

53 minutes ago, Weatherman said:

It’s become apparent that we don’t use the bye week effectively.  This is the third year in a row we’ve come out flat after a bye.  That’s 100% on coaching and locker room leadership.  

And 3rd year in a row they've won isn't it?

[Bermuda Triangle]

52 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Allen's spin was clear taunting (and I was still glad he did it because the Chargers were playing to injure people out there) and the roughing call wasn't on Tre's low tackle, they called it on Oliver for either being late or leading with his head.

That being said, the officiating crew was probably the worst unit on the field today

On the ensuing drive following the Josh Allen TD run & taunting call, Keenan Allen spun the ball after a catch, at Poyer's feet, and signaled first down.  No call on 13, of course 

[Reks Ryan]

58 minutes ago, Weatherman said:

It’s become apparent that we don’t use the bye week effectively.  This is the third year in a row we’ve come out flat after a bye.  That’s 100% on coaching and locker room leadership.  

The Bills won all 3 of those games,  In fact, they're now 4 - 0 under McD coming off the bye.     And the 2018 game against the Jags they definitely did not come out flat.   

 

The league-wide winning % coming off a bye since 2003 is about 54%.   So it's far from a sure thing for teams to win off their bye week.  And 100% is much better than 54%.  So you're using the bye week to judge the coaching, the Bills have an all-star staff compared to the rest of the league.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Saints. They are the best team in the NFC right now.

The saints are hardly winning pretty...they got taken to OT by this same chargers team that we are supposedly failures for not beating by more lol. They beat the panthers by 3 and then the bears by 3 in the following weeks 

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Allen's spin was clear taunting (and I was still glad he did it because the Chargers were playing to injure people out there) and the roughing call wasn't on Tre's low tackle, they called it on Oliver for either being late or leading with his head.

That being said, the officiating crew was probably the worst unit on the field today

Herbert was running away and Oliver got called for roughing the passer. Allen spun the ball and the other guy happened to be there- oh well, we won

[dave mcbride]

11 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The saints are hardly winning pretty...they got taken to OT by this same chargers team that we are supposedly failures for not beating by more lol. They beat the panthers by 3 and then the bears by 3 in the following weeks 

They are on thir way to their 4th straight dominating win right now.

[TFBillsfan]

Always happy with a win but the trend of not putting teams away is concerning. At times we just don’t play smart football and it needs to get fixed quickly. The same scenario happened in the playoffs vs Houston and they got beat because of it. This year they got bit again by AZ and came close to doing it again vs. the Chargers and Rams.

 

2nd half adjustments by the staff is alarming. We are 8-3 but getting out scored in the 2nd half.

Officiating was ridiculous and really made me question if they were trying to cover the spread.

Hoping this team can start playing a complete game in all three phases! They can beat anyone if they can.

 

Now let’s go beat the Niners!