colin Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: 15 receptions for 201 yards and 3 tds if this site is to be believed https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/tredavious-white/ so about 2 catches and 28 yards a game. A TD just under every other game( that was for 7 games forgot he missed titans) never forget, you must REMEMBER THE TITANS. i'll see myself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Some of these moves are bout the other guys. Nngankee*sp* too much for a rental. On an AFC contender. You want Gilmore on Tennesse, Kc? It has to be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: And has the worst pass defense in the league this year (or close to it). It's a serious need there. I think they would align right cost-wise as well.........I can't believe that anyone would trade a #1 for his expiring contract........but Seattle has that late #2 that makes sense. Then since they dealt 2 firsts and a third for Jamal Adams already..........they could basically take the draft off and focus on undrafted free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 10 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Trade deadline is this Thursday just FYI I think it's November 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 We don't have the cap space. They went all in during free agency on used Panthers and now there's no room to spend it on play makers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 13 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Makes sense. Watched some of the 49ers game yesterday. Gilmore was playing like he didn’t want to be there. Probably wishes he stayed in Buffalo. Feeling like he did stay on the past bills teams he played on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebillzfan Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 He is playing like he found out he isn't going to be on TV anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 20 hours ago, thebandit27 said: 1) he didn’t get traded from Buffalo 2) he wanted to get paid; it had nothing to do with not wanting to be in Buffalo—that’s just something fans say practically every time a player leaves and gets big money elsewhere Exactly. Whaley and McD could have tagged him but didn't And then McD and Beane screwed the team out of a 3rd round comp pick by keeping Ducasse and a wr that was terrible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Makes sense. Watched some of the 49ers game yesterday. Gilmore was playing like he didn’t want to be there. It wouldn't be the first time that Gilmore was dogging it. PS: I do hope that nobody here dares to suggest that drafting a defensive back in the top 10 is anything less than a splendid way to build a team. Edited October 27, 2020 by Bill from NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Exactly. Whaley and McD could have tagged him but didn't And then McD and Beane screwed the team out of a 3rd round comp pick by keeping Ducasse and a wr that was terrible They tagged Glenn; they couldn’t tag Gilmore at that point. And cutting Vlad and Holmes wasn’t enough; they’d have had to cut another FA acquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDCC Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 He is on the block. The pats are looking for two number 1s. The raiders reached out to the patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 23 hours ago, Rigotz said: 1) we don’t have the cap space for him 2) he’s overpaid 3) it makes zero sense to have two $20+MM corners 4) he’s not worth a 1st round pick 4. Since when is the defending player of the year not worth a first round pick... 4 should be.. The Pats would never trade him to Buffalo.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Will they dump people or try to get people? New England has eight picks in the 2021 NFL Draft, in addition to three projected compensatory selections for losing free agents Tom Brady, Kyle Van Noy over the offseason. So the Patriots have plenty of picks to dangle on the trade market in search of a wide receiver, tight end, pass rusher or another type of player. https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-trade-deadline-recapping-2021-204745698.html Of course, there's a possibility the Patriots decide to be sellers and not buyers at the trade deadline. New England enters Week 8 with a 2-4 record, which puts them in 12th place in the AFC and third place in the AFC East division. The Patriots lost 33-6 at home to the San Francisco 49ers on Sunday, and they certainly didn't look like a team worth using draft assets to upgrade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, DDCC said: He is on the block. The pats are looking for two number 1s. The raiders reached out to the patriots Source? 23 hours ago, Rigotz said: 1) we don’t have the cap space for him 2) he’s overpaid 3) it makes zero sense to have two $20+MM corners 4) he’s not worth a 1st round pick I agree with #1...the rest I think are highly debatable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Source? Shirley, you jest. To quote DDCC directly Have you seen his record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 29 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Source? I agree with #1...the rest I think are highly debatable It’s Dunkirk don , chadwick chad. he’s his own source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 21 hours ago, Mango said: Anybody see what the dudes cap hit is this year? $25M? Wow Yes but did you see his cap hit for next year? It’s Nothing.. why he is playing like crap I am sure.. he wants a new deal and BB will not give it to him.. I see him on Seattle by Wednesday next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Yes but did you see his cap hit for next year? It’s Nothing.. why he is playing like crap I am sure.. he wants a new deal and BB will not give it to him.. I see him on Seattle by Wednesday next week. People are just bonkers about cornerbacks 🤣 A guy that’s allowed 16 completions and 1 TD in 6 games is “playing like crap”. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GilmSt00.htm I swear, unless a CB allows zero catches and has 25 INTs people think he’s garbage. Unbelievable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDCC Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 45 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Source? I agree with #1...the rest I think are highly debatable It was in the news. I think I read it it on yardbarker. I am also a huge raider fan. The mad bomber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Yes but did you see his cap hit for next year? It’s Nothing.. why he is playing like crap I am sure.. he wants a new deal and BB will not give it to him.. I see him on Seattle by Wednesday next week. I think you got that a little backwards. His first 3 years were dirt cheap, like $8-9M against the cap. $25M this year $17.7M next year. His dead cap for 2021. So the Pats can get out of it for like $7.7M. If this were last year I would absolutely consider it for Buffalo. We had tons of space. We spent way too much on not even good play on the front 7 and then a ton more on old man Norman. I would rather have Gilmore next to Tre for two years than AJ Klein, Josh Norman, and Trent Murphy at approximately the same value (you can pepper in some combination of Addison, Butler, and/or Jefferson) (Disclaimer: Not knocking Beane- Totally just a "what if")https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/stephon-gilmore-9820/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 5:49 AM, thebandit27 said: 1) he didn’t get traded from Buffalo 2) he wanted to get paid; it had nothing to do with not wanting to be in Buffalo—that’s just something fans say practically every time a player leaves and gets big money elsewhere He was also protecting himself the last two years and not giving a 100% in run support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: He was also protecting himself the last two years and not giving a 100% in run support I don’t agree...and neither did Belichick apparently 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I don’t agree...and neither did Belichick apparently That’s fine you don’t agree. But I’d be willing to bet a majority of bill’s fans agree with me. That’s why everyone was happy to see him leave. They just were pissed he went to NE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: People are just bonkers about cornerbacks 🤣 A guy that’s allowed 16 completions and 1 TD in 6 games is “playing like crap”. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GilmSt00.htm I swear, unless a CB allows zero catches and has 25 INTs people think he’s garbage. Unbelievable. It was quoted on football talk radio that QBs have a 101 QBR when throwing at him.. that is god awful! 1 hour ago, Mango said: I think you got that a little backwards. His first 3 years were dirt cheap, like $8-9M against the cap. $25M this year $17.7M next year. His dead cap for 2021. So the Pats can get out of it for like $7.7M. If this were last year I would absolutely consider it for Buffalo. We had tons of space. We spent way too much on not even good play on the front 7 and then a ton more on old man Norman. I would rather have Gilmore next to Tre for two years than AJ Klein, Josh Norman, and Trent Murphy at approximately the same value (you can pepper in some combination of Addison, Butler, and/or Jefferson) (Disclaimer: Not knocking Beane- Totally just a "what if")https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/stephon-gilmore-9820/ They are saying his cap hit is 12 mill next year which is nothing for a top CB which is what Gilmore is when motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: It was quoted on football talk radio that QBs have a 101 QBR when throwing at him.. that is god awful! They are saying his cap hit is 12 mill next year which is nothing for a top CB which is what Gilmore is when motivated. And that’s incorrect. His passer rating allowed is 74.0: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GilmSt00.htm 10 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: That’s fine you don’t agree. But I’d be willing to bet a majority of bill’s fans agree with me. That’s why everyone was happy to see him leave. They just were pissed he went to NE And I’d like to hear their reasoning on that, because the numbers tell a different story since had 5 interceptions, 12 passes defensed, and 42 solo tackles—all were career highs at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: It wouldn't be the first time that Gilmore was dogging it. PS: I do hope that nobody here dares to suggest that drafting a defensive back in the top 10 is anything less than a splendid way to build a team. I watched that Pats-SF game. I thought he played hard. 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: People are just bonkers about cornerbacks 🤣 A guy that’s allowed 16 completions and 1 TD in 6 games is “playing like crap”. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GilmSt00.htm I swear, unless a CB allows zero catches and has 25 INTs people think he’s garbage. Unbelievable. This is so true. Gilmore is playing well this year. Their secondary is keeping them in games (i.e., the KC game). Edited October 27, 2020 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 8:42 AM, Gene1973 said: I would not want to see him back on the Bills. Good player, ***** attitude. I will say however, Gilmore has played much better than White after getting paid. White has dropped significantly after securing a big contract, not cool. Agreed. Plus, he won't get all those free holds anymore outside of NE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 7 hours ago, thebandit27 said: They tagged Glenn; they couldn’t tag Gilmore at that point. And cutting Vlad and Holmes wasn’t enough; they’d have had to cut another FA acquisition. That is not true. Glenn was tagged in 2016 and signed long term contract in May 2016. Gilmore walked in 2017. And I'm pretty sure they were only net positive 2 free agents that they could have cut by week 10 or something like that. Ducasse was playing marginally better than other guards at that point and they could have cut three WRs and signed any street free agent for the same quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 House on Market with Deadline for Offers same as the NFL Trade Deadline 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I doubt he plays Sunday then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 BB is smart; until he gets another good QB on board, there is no point in paying fancy CBs a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Just now, Nextmanup said: BB is smart; until he gets another good QB on board, there is no point in paying fancy CBs a lot of money. If he is so smart, why go all offseason with Stidham as your QB? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: If he is so smart, why go all offseason with Stidham as your QB? He’s not smart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: BB is smart; until he gets another good QB on board, there is no point in paying fancy CBs a lot of money. Especially ones who have regressed substantially. Smoke broke Gillylock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 A Pats analyst was reviewing the game against San Fran and said on a play Gilmore held up making a tackle because of the collision that would take place. The analyst straight up said Gilmore made a business decision by not making the tackle. It reminded me of his last season in 2016 where quite a few times he noticeably held back to not get inquired on plays. He seems to be doing the same again now that things are heading south in NE. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 10:43 AM, VaMilBill said: That’s fine you don’t agree. But I’d be willing to bet a majority of bill’s fans agree with me. That’s why everyone was happy to see him leave. They just were pissed he went to NE When Gilmore left in 2017 people were excited right up until they saw he went NE and then the comments about games in the big lights. I personally thought he was a top 15 CB with top 10 potential, but I give him credit for working hard to get to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I doubt he plays Sunday then They'd be wise to hold-him-out. 6 hours ago, MAJBobby said: If he is so smart, why go all offseason with Stidham as your QB? Been saying that for months now. His plan was to go with Stidham and then Cam fell into his lap. It looked like a lucky move initially but recently it hasn't been working-out so well. It wouldn't surprise me to see him retire at the end of the year. I doubt he'll want to go into full rebuilding mode at the age of 69. 5 hours ago, corta765 said: A Pats analyst was reviewing the game against San Fran and said on a play Gilmore held up making a tackle because of the collision that would take place. The analyst straight up said Gilmore made a business decision by not making the tackle. It reminded me of his last season in 2016 where quite a few times he noticeably held back to not get inquired on plays. He seems to be doing the same again now that things are heading south in NE. Yup. I know the exact play he's talking about because I said the same thing when I saw the replay during the game. Edited October 28, 2020 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KauaiBuffaloSports Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 9 hours ago, MAJBobby said: If he is so smart, why go all offseason with Stidham as your QB? I genuinely think that BB's plan was to go with Stidham and tank this year to get one of the top QB's coming out next year. I also think that he changed his mind when Cam fell into his lap and he wanted to show everyone that his genius is the reason NE won all those championships, not Brady. If this is the case, thank the football gods because idk what I would do if NE got Lawrence or Fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 8:41 AM, BuffaloRebound said: Makes sense. Watched some of the 49ers game yesterday. Gilmore was playing like he didn’t want to be there. We've all seen that look. On draft day and his last year in Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 8:38 AM, Rigotz said: 1) we don’t have the cap space for him 2) he’s overpaid 3) it makes zero sense to have two $20+MM corners 4) he’s not worth a 1st round pick But I’ve heard of him!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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