Week 6 Postgame Thread KC at Bills

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

Yup. If you're gonna play bend but don't break. and intentionally give up the run, then you better get points when you have the rock. 

I mean Mahomes is the best QB alive. If you give him opportunities, he'll kill you with the big play, so I don't neccesarily mind the game plan on D. It actually worked to a certain degree. Afterall the Bills were THIS close to having the ball, down 6, in Chiefs territtory, with just about 5 left. 

When you have a defense coordinator who is losing the team and McDermott better take note.  Frazier does not have a game plan he gets out coached time and time again.

[whatdrought]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

He doesn't deserve defense but who do we replace him with?

 

Either McD's hands are all over this defense already (and we're f-ed) or they should be. If they're not, time for them to be. If they are, anyone know of any good golf courses open sundays in January? 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

That game played out exactly how we’d need it to and we just couldn’t make plays. The Bills are just like the Browns. No matter what, you just can’t come up big when it matters. The next time they do, will be the first time. It’s truly embarrassing 

Edited October 20, 2020 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[Blank Stare]

After yet another pathetic display on defense heads should roll. No pass rush. Jerry Hughes and Oliver are complete after thoughts. Only time I ever see them is when they are chasing or pushed out of a play. Hyde and Poyer have gotten old quickly. No longer making plays like they used to. LBs are a joke. And that’s even with our top 2 on the field. But..we’re stuck with them. What can you do?
 

Also, I like Josh, but it wasn’t even close on the field tonight. I’m getting a little sick of him coming out for games like someone lit his jersey on fire. I thought we were past that. He has to settle down. I need our QB to have some dang composure when he’s out there. The receivers dropping passes and lack of creativity by Daboll did him no favors, but I can’t even get there with that today. He has to play better in year 3. 

No clue what we do about McD in big games against superior coaches. He feasts on the gimmes (which is a step up around here for what we are used to) and is completely outclassed against the top guys. I’ll believe us beating the Cheats this year when I see it. They still have Belichick, right? 

[TroutDog]

2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I agree, but wasn’t that while Mahomes was out? Can you imagine where the Bills would be with Barkley?

And who are we without? There are always injuries...sometimes they make a big impact, sometimes not. The point is this: it’s a long season. After each loss, everyone should NOT be fired. 

[WatfordBills]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I worry that a lot of the defensive guys got paid and maybe they don't have that heart. Hughes, Addision, Tre, Poyer and several other defenders either got new contracts or extensions. I hope they get Zimmer more snaps he was one of the bright spots. 

It's a very common thing in a lot of sports. I don't want to buy this because I don't think McD would allow this to happen. His "culture" calls are starting to come under fire as we clearly get ill-disciplined and cannot stay focused, but even still I don't see players being allowed to not give their all. That said, there's something not right. Zimmer played really well and I agree with you there

[appoo]

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Josh was off in the 1st half granted the defense did him few favors. Also he had a few misses from his WRs. I'd call it a team loss but blame the D more.

 

Honestly I thought Daboll gave up on Allen too soon. He was bad in the 1st Q, but he should have gotten back to the spread offense in the 2nd and 3rd. He didn't go back to it until the emergency TD drive that Allen spearheaded. 

[Wayne Cubed]

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

Yup. If you're gonna play bend but don't break. and intentionally give up the run, then you better get points when you have the rock. 

I mean Mahomes is the best QB alive. If you give him opportunities, he'll kill you with the big play, so I don't neccesarily mind the game plan on D. It actually worked to a certain degree. Afterall the Bills were THIS close to having the ball, down 6, in Chiefs territtory, with just about 5 left. 

Could have been 13-13 at the half too. Hell, if they got 3 points on any of their other drives in the 2nd half it would have been close.

 

The offense was really bad.

[LABILLBACKER]

7 minutes ago, smuvtalker said:

Gotta think at some point in the (very) near future McDermott takes control of the defensive play calling from Frazier...

Why does this have to happen every year. You can set your watch to it. Just get rid of Frazier. Let McD just be DC/HC. Our new additions to the D are terrible and the vets are starting to show their age. Our only 3 promising young defensive players have been hurt all year. We have 1 cupcake left on our schedule and after that it's a tough game every week. I'm changing my 12-4 to 9-7. This D is embarrassing. 

[daz28]

WE AREN'T WHO WE THOUGHT WE WERE

Edited October 20, 2020 by daz28

[Warcodered]

You know for a game we went into this season thinking would be tough to win we sure are taking not winning pretty hard.

[Figster]

1 minute ago, billieve420 said:

I thought the defensive game plan was alright. If they didn’t get run over for 250 yards could have potentially stole one there. On the other side we struggled running the ball which forces team to rely on Allen to bail them out on 3rd and long constantly which we could’ve do.

The D was an embarrassment and for the 2nd week in a row Josh Allen performed poorly IMO.

[billsfan89]

Just now, daz28 said:

So if we get points every time they punt we win(which is like 2-3x/game0.  Got it.  You just unlocked the code on how all crappy teams can be good

 

The point was that the defensive game plan held KC to below their scoring average. Josh and the offense punted twice in the third quarter and it was why KC had a two possession lead and despite that quick scoring drive KC was just able to grind the clock and kick a field goal. The defense needs at least 2 pieces (a run stuffing DT and a pass rusher) and Milano back but its not as tragic as people are making it out to be. 

[Turk71]

3 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Sadly no comments about our inept O-line and running game.  If we can't get past their front four running the ball, teams are just gonna sit in zone all game.

Only Denver's O line is worse at run blocking so far, and even that may change after this week. This line is not good enough, the tackles are doing the best, the guards the worst, Morse is okay but has never been a great run blocker. No push in the middle.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, billsfan89 said:

 

The gameplan was very Pats like in a sense. They wanted to limit the possessions and basically keep it to a one possession game the whole way and take your chances that you make the plays late. The defense gave up 26 points. The offense punted twice in the third quarter and Bass missed a field goal late in the first half. That's all she wrote. Bass making that kick and Josh scoring at least 3 on one of those possessions makes things much different. 

A 52 yard FG isn't a gimme for any kicker.

[KOKBILLS]

The crazy thing is we were an inch away from being right back in it late on that strip fumble...

 

 

[appoo]

3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Bend but don’t break never works.  Eventually you break.  

The Chiefs literally just did it to the Bills. 

[par73]

So which is it--- 2018 Josh, or Franchise Josh? Defense looks as bad as I've seen (almost). How do you fix that?

[vincec]

I get all these takes that the game was close and all, but let's be honest, KC never got out of 2nd gear. You had the sense that they could have turned it up on demand if necessary.

[billsfan89]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

A 52 yard FG isn't a gimme for any kicker.

 

Agreed, a 52 yarder in the rain isn't an easy kick. I am not blaming Bass, it was just something that could have given this team a sense of momentum going into the second half. The two punts in the third were killers. You know the game plan is to limit possessions so you have little room for error. 

[Mango]

A lot of blame to go around....
 

Except for Special Teams: Bogo single handedly stopped this from being a 42-13 blow out. He gets my only game ball tonight. There was a missed 52 yarder, but largely kicking and coverage were great.  Even at the end of the game Bass popped one up for the coverage team to keep the return around the 15. Solid group tonight. 
 

Defense: Got shredded on the ground. Generally terrible on 3rd down. Couldn’t make any “key stops” but made enough stops to keep KC in a low scoring game. Bend but don’t break. Lots of yards but held PM and the Chiefs to only 2 TDS and a million field goals. It was a good enough performance to win the game. 
 

Offense: The passing attack takes the lions share of the blame. 9 minutes left in the game and you are losing to Mahomes by 10 with possession of the ball and you are 9/21 and 66 yards? There is no excuse other than very bad QB play. Running game was meh. Protection was good enough. A couple drops, sure, but not enough to account for such an abysmal production over 75% into the game. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 minute ago, TroutDog said:

And who are we without? There are always injuries...sometimes they make a big impact, sometimes not. The point is this: it’s a long season. After each loss, everyone should NOT be fired. 

I agree with that as well. I was only pointing out the Chiefs loosing 4 out of 5 was without their starting QB, who is the best in the league. 
 Nobody should get fired right now, but you can’t give up almost 250 yards. Just can’t. 

[daz28]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The point was that the defensive game plan held KC to below their scoring average. Josh and the offense punted twice in the third quarter and it was why KC had a two possession lead and despite that quick scoring drive KC was just able to grind the clock and kick a field goal. The defense needs at least 2 pieces (a run stuffing DT and a pass rusher) and Milano back but its not as tragic as people are making it out to be. 

So the D's game plan was let AR slice and dice us with 46 runs, and you call that a success.  More like they did what they wanted, and loved every second of it.  

[Cheektowaga Chad]

They desperately need a pass rusher that can get to the passer. 

 

I really didnt mind the defensive game plan but they need someone to get to the QB so that on the last drive or 2 mahomes doesn't make those 3rd and longs

 

The game plan almost worked to perfection. Keep it close and let Allen win it on the last drive

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, par73 said:

So which is it--- 2018 Josh, or Franchise Josh? Defense looks as bad as I've seen (almost). How do you fix that?

 

KC played similar to how Baltimore played Josh in 2019. Just a lot of blitzes. I think you can coach Josh up on how to beat a blitz esp with the receiving core he has. 

[HurlyBurly51]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

You know for a game we went into this season thinking would be tough to win we sure are taking not winning pretty hard.

Watching your DL get bullied will have that affect on people

[transplantbillsfan]

I'm tired of this Defense.  So terrible.  I'd say maybe once we get Milano back healthy and maybe trade for a good run stuffing DT (yes I really think they miss Star this year) that we'll get better, but frankly I don't actually think that'll happen.

 

Basically Allen needs to carry the team almost every game, but a combination of primetime jitters on his part and an offensive game plan that won't simply acknowledge that is going to keep this team in that "good, but not good enough" territory.

 

So frustrating.

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

the defensive regression is alarming.  Is he Marvin Lewis??

 

This won't be popular but defense was fine in this game... run defense doesn't matter. If you stop the Chiefs from hitting big plays you're playing well against them. The best defense against the run is a good passing offense and today we didn't have it. Allen is moving in the wrong direction. That's why we lost.

[ngbills]

3 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

KC went into this game averaging 30 points a game, the defense gave up 26. I honestly put this loss on the offense. Just 7 points in the second half is not going to cut it. The defense despite all the yardage given up put this team in a position to win. It was the offense that couldn't score. 

Have to disagree. KC only scored 26 because they ran the ball 1000 times and bled the clock. The Defense did not stop them it was just a slow paced game due to KC having long drives all game long. 

[The Jokeman]

Just now, billsfan89 said:

 

Agreed, a 52 yarder in the rain isn't an easy kick. I am not blaming Bass, it was just something that could have given this team a sense of momentum going into the second half. The two punts in the third were killers. You know the game plan is to limit possessions so you have little room for error. 

They call it a game of inches as I could debate was post on our when Ford missed Jones and/or just missing ripping out the fumble a half second sooner.

[daz28]

1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

They desperately need a pass rusher that can get to the passer. 

 

I really didnt mind the defensive game plan but they need someone to get to the QB so that on the last drive or 2 mahomes doesn't make those 3rd and longs

 

The game plan almost worked to perfection. Keep it close and let Allen win it on the last drive

Uhhh, we might need some run stopping and some pass coverage too

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

He doesn't deserve defense but who do we replace him with?

McDermott  has to take it over.  There is two different defenses on the Bills when McDermott calls the plays they are more aggressive they line 7 guys on the line of scrimmage drop linemen into coverage they are costly hitting the QB.  Frazier does not know what he is doing anymore it is cover 2 that's it.

[appoo]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Could have been 13-13 at the half too. Hell, if they got 3 points on any of their other drives in the 2nd half it would have been close.

 

The offense was really bad.

 I have more questions for Daboll than anyone else, honestly. You can't just give up on your QB after a sucks for a few drives. I mean once you got the TD by runningm you, gotta see what Allen had left. Yet when they get the ball back down 13 - 10,  they went back to run/safe short throws. And punted. 

 

Same in the 3rd. You can't do that with someone like Allen. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

So the D's game plan was let AR slice and dice us with 46 runs, and you call that a success.  More like they did what they wanted, and loved every second of it.  

I think the point of the game plan was to bet that Andy reid doesn't stay with the run

 

His history shows he won't. Strangely did for once today

[KOKBILLS]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Agreed, a 52 yarder in the rain isn't an easy kick. I am not blaming Bass, it was just something that could have given this team a sense of momentum going into the second half. The two punts in the third were killers. You know the game plan is to limit possessions so you have little room for error. 

 

It's a tough kick...No doubt...But why does it seem that our opponents always hit those against us?

 

And good grief he missed that thing by a mile...

[billsfan89]

Just now, daz28 said:

So the D's game plan was let AR slice and dice us with 46 runs, and you call that a success.  More like they did what they wanted, and loved every second of it.  

 

The gameplan was likely to dare KC to run and throw short. Hopefully you then force a turnover or two and a few field goals. You then hope your vaunted offense could score on limited possessions on long drives. Josh punted twice on two possessions in the third and Bass missed a kick late in the half. That was the game. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I find it laughable that some think the Defense did enough tonight. If you got the feeling that game was close you need your head examined.

[TroutDog]

2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I agree with that as well. I was only pointing out the Chiefs loosing 4 out of 5 was without their starting QB, who is the best in the league. 
 Nobody should get fired right now, but you can’t give up almost 250 yards. Just can’t. 

Apologies! Wasn’t talking about you. More so the pitchfork people. 

[daz28]

I've seen at least 2 people say our defensive game plan was good.  I'm not sure I live on the same planet as those people

[TroutDog]

Says it all.