Nester Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 This sucks. But makes sense, a new coach can’t fix this. they say players don’t tank because they have careers. this is how you tank for picks. It sucks because i don’t want Trevor Lawrence in our division. NFL needs to move to draft lotto for the top spots to avoid tanking for #1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I really don’t think Daboll would want to work for that owner without a huge amount and I mean F ing HUGE amount of guaranteed cash up front, and even then who T F would want to tarnish their career by doing so, it’s like taking a job working for Snyder in DC... nothing good can come from such a move. If you get the right QB and the right HC anything is possible. I don’t think he’d pass on coaching Lawrence but you never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Diggs is NOT getting traded "says the Vikings" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasBillsFan1 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Lots of penalties on Defense last night ... should we blame Greggo? I almost feel sorry for Jets ... almost. They should not have hired Gase and should have seen this coming. I wonder what will become of D'Arnold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, NewEra said: If you get the right QB and the right HC anything is possible. I don’t think he’d pass on coaching Lawrence but you never know I hear you, but it requires more than a QB and a HC, you need a Beane style FO to make it work, and those are not easy to come by, jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: If you get the right QB and the right HC anything is possible. I don’t think he’d pass on coaching Lawrence but you never know Daboll would never go there unless they hired a capable GM... you can't build a winner until you have a GM that knows how to draft and sign the right free agents... everyone the jets have had in the past and present have no clue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 the jets should trade darnold to the bears right now for 2 firsts and a 2nd. complete the tank job. they have an extra first from the adams trade. they could absolute load the team top heavy with first rounders. but this isnt madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 The tank is on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just talked to a friend of mine that has been a life long JESTS fan. He works in sports media. He lives about half way between New York and Philly. He declared that he lives in the septic tank of professional football (LOL). As some have pointed out, the fans are apoplectic over the front office and coaching staff but have now focused on the poor ownership. They also believe that there will be a fire sale, much like Miami did and will be aiming to draft a new QB (Lawrence). He also believes that both Gase and Douglas are goners at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I hear you, but it requires more than a QB and a HC, you need a Beane style FO to make it work, and those are not easy to come by, jmo. I agree. It’ll take more than a QB/HC combo, I just don’t see how Daboll could decline that position if Trevor Lawrence is there. It might not work out for the Jets, but it would surely hurt us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: Just talked to a friend of mine that has been a life long JESTS fan. He works in sports media. He lives about half way between New York and Philly. He declared that he lives in the septic tank of professional football (LOL). As some have pointed out, the fans are apoplectic over the front office and coaching staff but have now focused on the poor ownership. They also believe that there will be a fire sale, much like Miami did and will be aiming to draft a new QB (Lawrence). He also believes that both Gase and Douglas are goners at the end of the season. If they are not gone at the end of the year it's gone from a tire fire to Cluster F... 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I agree. It’ll take more than a QB/HC combo, I just don’t see how Daboll could decline that position if Trevor Lawrence is there. It might not work out for the Jets, but it would surely hurt us. He will have better options... sucks for us but we will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 35 minutes ago, gordong said: Daboll would never go there unless they hired a capable GM... you can't build a winner until you have a GM that knows how to draft and sign the right free agents... everyone the jets have had in the past and present have no clue. I love how you just know he wouldn’t go there. I promise you, the Jets will hire a HC. Why would that particular coach go there and how do you know Daboll wouldnt? I would bet that it’s his dream to become a HC in the NFL. Most new hire coaches don’t have the luxury of coaching a QB like Lawrence. Why would McDermott sign in buffalo? Everyone the Bills had in the past and present had no clue.... The current jets job may be the worst HC job in league history, but it’ll be one of a handful of opportunities. 7 minutes ago, gordong said: If they are not gone at the end of the year it's gone from a tire fire to Cluster F... He will have better options... sucks for us but we will be fine. So you’re saying that no one will become the Jets Coach? Every coach will have better options...... yet someone will accept the offer. Not sure why Daboll is immune to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I love how you just know he wouldn’t go there. I promise you, the Jets will hire a HC. Why would that particular coach go there and how do you know Daboll wouldnt? I would bet that it’s his dream to become a HC in the NFL. Most new hire coaches don’t have the luxury of coaching a QB like Lawrence. Why would McDermott sign in buffalo? Everyone the Bills had in the past and present had no clue.... The current jets job may be the worst HC job in league history, but it’ll be one of a handful of opportunities. Feel better now... I'm happy for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, gordong said: Feel better now... I'm happy for you. Whatever that means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just wondering, is Gase a bigger clown than Rex ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 9 hours ago, NewEra said: If the jets fans are lucky, they’ll keep gase, go 0-16 and draft Lawrence....then fire the entire FO and coaching staff and hire Daboll. Lawrence and Fields might stay in school if the Jets get in the top 2 picks. Bieneimy will get that gig before Daboll. But Bieneimy might have better options than working for the Johnson’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 hours ago, SoTier said: If he was even minimally coachable, Darnold should improve somewhat, and he hasn't. The odd thing for me last night was how he could toss some tight passes, hitting Crowder in stride for a decent gain, and then turn around two plays later and completely FUBAR a very simple 5-yard out. At one point they were in the red zone and everything he threw looked like Happy Gilmore trying to get out of a sand trap...like he was just winging it for the sake of winging it since nothing else was working. I'm not savvy enough to know if this is because Darnold is simply not good enough or if his coaching is screwing him up. I suspect it's somewhere in the middle, in which case it feels like the idea of keeping BAD coaches for the sake of consistency has all the logic of staying with an abusive husband because yes, you're wearing a sling and are afraid to speak, but at least the bills are paid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 41 minutes ago, Nester said: This sucks. But makes sense, a new coach can’t fix this. they say players don’t tank because they have careers. this is how you tank for picks. It sucks because i don’t want Trevor Lawrence in our division. NFL needs to move to draft lotto for the top spots to avoid tanking for #1 Except that there's absolutely no proof that NFL teams tank despite all the claims spouted by some fans. How many fans were convinced that the Carp intended to "tank for Tua". As it turned out, they won 5 games and were competitive in a bunch of other games --- and they still got Tua because he fell in the draft because of injury. Moreover, many teams that get high draft picks continue to fail on the field unless they make major organizational changes. How many #1 overalls have the Lions and Browns had in the last 20 years without many winning seasons to show for them? 31 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I hear you, but it requires more than a QB and a HC, you need a Beane style FO to make it work, and those are not easy to come by, jmo. A team can't get "a Beane style FO" (ie, a competent FO) without support from ownership. Do you really think that Beane would have the success he's had in the last couple of years if Ralph Wilson was still the owner or if Russ Brandon was still enforcing his maximizing profits at the cost of wins philosophy on the Bills organization? After Brandon was fired in the spring of 2018, Pegula gave Beane real GM power to go along with his other duties. I think that has been the key to the Bills resurrection. Winning football games is no longer running a distant second to maximizing profits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, purple haze said: Lawrence and Fields might stay in school if the Jets get in the top 2 picks. Bieneimy will get that gig before Daboll. But Bieneimy might have better options than working for the Johnson’s. He might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, SoTier said: Except that there's absolutely no proof that NFL teams tank despite all the claims spouted by some fans. How many fans were convinced that the Carp intended to "tank for Tua". As it turned out, they won 5 games and were competitive in a bunch of other games --- and they still got Tua because he fell in the draft because of injury. Moreover, many teams that get high draft picks continue to fail on the field unless they make major organizational changes. How many #1 overalls have the Lions and Browns had in the last 20 years without many winning seasons to show for them? A team can't get "a Beane style FO" (ie, a competent FO) without support from ownership. Do you really think that Beane would have the success he's had in the last couple of years if Ralph Wilson was still the owner or if Russ Brandon was still enforcing his maximizing profits at the cost of wins philosophy on the Bills organization? After Brandon was fired in the spring of 2018, Pegula gave Beane real GM power to go along with his other duties. I think that has been the key to the Bills resurrection. Winning football games is no longer running a distant second to maximizing profits. I agree with the proper ownership being necessary, that’s why Daboll would end up failing in the jets organization even with Lawrence, it’s the same reason ya don’t sign on with Snyder... Jmo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, CSBill said: Just wondering, is Gase a bigger clown than Rex ???? Gase is Kotite-level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I forgot to ask. was he given a vote of confidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I am happy to hear he is staying on for now, and will be sad when Gase is inevitably fired at the end of the season. He is the gift that keeps on giving. No doubt they will screw up the next hire as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 People won't be laughing next season when they have Lawrence and a high profile, good HC. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Beast said: People won't be laughing next season when they have Lawrence and a high profile, good HC. What on earth gives you the notion that front office would make the correct high profile good hire? And when are we going to learn to stop hyping rookies who have never played yet? I don’t believe the Lawrence hype. Not everyone can step onto an NFL field and lead any franchise that drafts them. Jets and Browns are prime examples of hyped quarterbacks and back coaching hires and rinse, repeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 6 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: If I was the Jets owner and I saw the money Joe Douglas paid for free agents this year, and what he brought in with that money I'd fire him as well. From top to bottom they are the most poorly run organization in the NFL. If they keep Douglas, I suppose Roman makes the most sense as he and Douglas were in Baltimore together, but I think that will be a poor hire for them as well. Agreed. Even a Frank Gore hire was so uninspiring...It is not like the Jets have a young/rookie backfield...They could have had Freeman, Fournette....so many other good RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigdaddyinOrlando Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: What Was meant as sarcasm, meaning blow your money and but tickets to something you can’t even go to, that’s all. Probably a poor attempt I’m sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 53 minutes ago, Beast said: People won't be laughing next season when they have Lawrence and a high profile, good HC. My thoughts too. I am suspicious of this dedication to losing that the Jets' ownership seems committed to embracing this season. This smells like a tank process decision. Let's just let this train wreck play out. We can then jettison Gase and Williams, trade Darnold to a .500 team that is missing a QB piece of the puzzle for picks, bring in our preferred coach and either pick Lawrence because we will be at the top of the draft, or have the picks needed to trade up to number 1 to take him.... let the rebuild begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, ganesh said: Agreed. Even a Frank Gore hire was so uninspiring...It is not like the Jets have a young/rookie backfield...They could have had Freeman, Fournette....so many other good RBs. I just look at Pierre Desir, Alex Lewis, Connor McGovern, Frank Gore, George Fant, and Breshad Perriman and think if I was the owner and realized I was paying out close to $70 million dollars or those players I'd fire Joe Douglas immediately. He has done an awful job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Beast said: People won't be laughing next season when they have Lawrence and a high profile, good HC. They have a prospect in Sam Darnold. They have done next to nothing for him. What makes you think they will do anything for Lawrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I think Gase has done a great job and deserves an extension, ya dig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Rc2catch said: What on earth gives you the notion that front office would make the correct high profile good hire? And when are we going to learn to stop hyping rookies who have never played yet? I don’t believe the Lawrence hype. Not everyone can step onto an NFL field and lead any franchise that drafts them. Jets and Browns are prime examples of hyped quarterbacks and back coaching hires and rinse, repeat. Trevor Lawrence is the best prospect in a long long time He could have been drafted in the NFL out of high school Mayfield and darnold couldn't hold Lawrence's Jock strap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Beast said: People won't be laughing next season when they have Lawrence and a high profile, good HC. ^ assumes that any high profile, good HC would go to the jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 54 minutes ago, 17islongenough said: They have a prospect in Sam Darnold. They have done next to nothing for him. What makes you think they will do anything for Lawrence. Common sense in that the best will want to jump on the Jets bandwagon and ride the Lawrence train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Beast said: People won't be laughing next season when they have Lawrence and a high profile, good HC. I don't think a high quality coach would choose to go to the Jets. The Jets, much like the Bills for many years, only have access to the castoffs and undesirables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rc2catch said: What on earth gives you the notion that front office would make the correct high profile good hire? And when are we going to learn to stop hyping rookies who have never played yet? I don’t believe the Lawrence hype. Not everyone can step onto an NFL field and lead any franchise that drafts them. Jets and Browns are prime examples of hyped quarterbacks and back coaching hires and rinse, repeat. Good for you that you don't believe the Lawrence hype. I've been watching football for 45 years and he is the best QB prosepect I've witnessed. I just hope the Jets win a few and miss out on him. 2 minutes ago, MJS said: I don't think a high quality coach would choose to go to the Jets. The Jets, much like the Bills for many years, only have access to the castoffs and undesirables. I'll bet you any amount of money the Jets will land a top-flight coach if they end up with the #1 overall. Edited October 2, 2020 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Trevor Lawrence is the best prospect in a long long time He could have been drafted in the NFL out of high school Mayfield and darnold couldn't hold Lawrence's Jock strap 10 minutes ago, Beast said: Good for you that you don't believe the Lawrence hype. I've been watching football for 45 years and he is the best QB prosepect I've witnessed. I just hope the Jets win a few and miss out on him. Prospect being the key word. It doesn’t matter how long you’ve watched football lol we’re not gm’s that’s not a qualification 😂😂 It’s not like I’m calling the guy a bust or something before he steps on a field. Drop him on the Jags, Jets, Washington right now and they are what?? +2 win total more this year with him? Hardly something to fear. Can anyone with a straight face say they believe they next regime will be a hit to build a team around Lawrence? How many years did us as bills fans see terrible hire after terrible hire? How many draft picks have we seen some of these teams squander away? Either by not developing, not paying or simply just destroying them because they can’t put a decent roster together. The way some of these teams are ran his talent won’t matter at least the first couple years if he survives that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Prospect being the key word. It doesn’t matter how long you’ve watched football lol we’re not gm’s that’s not a qualification 😂😂 It’s not like I’m calling the guy a bust or something before he steps on a field. Drop him on the Jags, Jets, Washington right now and they are what?? +2 win total more this year with him? Hardly something to fear. Can anyone with a straight face say they believe they next regime will be a hit to build a team around Lawrence? How many years did us as bills fans see terrible hire after terrible hire? How many draft picks have we seen some of these teams squander away? Either by not developing, not paying or simply just destroying them because they can’t put a decent roster together. The way some of these teams are ran his talent won’t matter at least the first couple years if he survives that long. Sure getting a great quarterback doesn't guarantee turning a franchise around But he's 10 times the quarterback Darnold and Baker Mayfield is I saw him as a senior in high school, and he was by far the best 18-year-old quarterback I've ever seen after scouting for 30 years. If he would have been draft eligible somebody would have taken him Edited October 2, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 13 hours ago, NewEra said: If the jets fans are lucky, they’ll keep gase, go 0-16 and draft Lawrence....then fire the entire FO and coaching staff and hire Daboll. Agreed. The Jets would be very lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 34 minutes ago, Beast said: I'll bet you any amount of money the Jets will land a top-flight coach if they end up with the #1 overall. $1 million 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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