Vegas Players Violate Virus Protocol

[par73]

In light of what happened with Tennessee today, hopefully this will not impact Sunday's game. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30005476/las-vegas-raiders-looking-why-players-were-masks-charity-event

[JGMcD2]

The players in attendance should be forced to sit out this week. They shouldn't be eligible for return until they pass COVID tests over a 10 day period. They would be eligible to return for week 5.

 

I don't see any other way to do it... I am serious. I understand it was a charitable event... but when the rules say you're banned from attending any event that "violates local and state restrictions" and then there are fines levied on the event, "The city of Henderson fined the country club $2,000 on Tuesday for four violations of the Nevada governor's COVID-19 emergency directives, including people not wearing masks and having more than 50 people at the event. The club has 30 days to pay or dispute the fine." 

 

There needs to be serious punishment and protocol put in place to make sure these players don't potentially put their teammates... and the Bills players at risk of losing their season.

 

 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

The players in attendance should be forced to sit out this week. They shouldn't be eligible for return until they pass COVID tests over a 10 day period. They would be eligible to return for week 5.

 

I don't see any other way to do it... I am serious. I understand it was a charitable event... but when the rules say you're banned from attending any event that "violates local and state restrictions" and then there are fines levied on the event, "The city of Henderson fined the country club $2,000 on Tuesday for four violations of the Nevada governor's COVID-19 emergency directives, including people not wearing masks and having more than 50 people at the event. The club has 30 days to pay or dispute the fine." 

 

There needs to be serious punishment and protocol put in place to make sure these players don't potentially put their teammates... and the Bills players at risk of losing their season.

 

 

 

I agree. Should be a straight up 2-week suspension and quarantine. That is just ridiculous. These guys are under strict NFL and NFLPA rules. 

[IgotBILLStopay]

can’t take a chance. suspend the players from playing the next game.

[Augie]

Zay Jones was there, but he was unlikely to catch it. Nathan Peterman was also there, but there’s no telling who might have caught it from him! 

[Protocal69]

So in the next 12 days we are going to have to play 2 teams (Radiers / Titans that has players that may have been exposed to Covid-19. Great SMH

[IgotBILLStopay]

7 minutes ago, Augie said:

Zay Jones was there, but he was unlikely to catch it. Nathan Peterman was also there, but there’s no telling who might have caught it from him! 

Hey Peterman was good at giving it to the wrong people.

[Heavy Kevi]

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

Zay Jones was there, but he was unlikely to catch it. Nathan Peterman was also there, but there’s no telling who might have caught it from him! 

 

Excellent

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

The players in attendance should be forced to sit out this week. They shouldn't be eligible for return until they pass COVID tests over a 10 day period. They would be eligible to return for week 5.

 

I don't see any other way to do it... I am serious. I understand it was a charitable event... but when the rules say you're banned from attending any event that "violates local and state restrictions" and then there are fines levied on the event, "The city of Henderson fined the country club $2,000 on Tuesday for four violations of the Nevada governor's COVID-19 emergency directives, including people not wearing masks and having more than 50 people at the event. The club has 30 days to pay or dispute the fine." 

 

There needs to be serious punishment and protocol put in place to make sure these players don't potentially put their teammates... and the Bills players at risk of losing their season.

 

It does seem as though there need to be some teeth in the rules to make players and coaches take them seriously.

 

I'd say more but we're (on the Mod side) still trying to sort out where the line is between football-relevant news about rule breaking players, and opening the door to general covid-19 discussion. 

 

But the key point is: players and teams who are doing everything right, can have their team's success and their own health put at risk by players and teams who are not taking it seriously, and that ain't right.  Yeah, they're all tested on Saturday before the game Sunday (or tested the day before they play) but no clinical test is 100%.

[Warcodered]

29 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

The players in attendance should be forced to sit out this week. They shouldn't be eligible for return until they pass COVID tests over a 10 day period. They would be eligible to return for week 5.

 

I don't see any other way to do it... I am serious. I understand it was a charitable event... but when the rules say you're banned from attending any event that "violates local and state restrictions" and then there are fines levied on the event, "The city of Henderson fined the country club $2,000 on Tuesday for four violations of the Nevada governor's COVID-19 emergency directives, including people not wearing masks and having more than 50 people at the event. The club has 30 days to pay or dispute the fine." 

 

There needs to be serious punishment and protocol put in place to make sure these players don't potentially put their teammates... and the Bills players at risk of losing their season.

 

 

 

I mean there should be some sort of quarantine they can still attend meeting via zoom but I don't really see another legitimate solution. I don't really like the idea of handicapping our opponent like this but this was stupid and if these rules mean anything there has to be repercussions.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Warcodered

[JGMcD2]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

I mean there should be some sort of quarantine they can still attend meeting via zoom but I don't really see another legitimate solution. I don't really like the idea of handicapping our opponent like this but this was stupid and if these rules mean anything there has to be repercussions.

Yeah, I don't see any need to completely ban them from team activities if it is done virtually, but right now they shouldn't be allowed near anything in person.

 

I don't like handicapping them either... but we didn't do it to them, the team did it to themselves.

 

I only watched one episode of Hard Knocks this year, but Anthony Lynn had a pretty good quote on there, where he basically said "whoever takes this the most seriously and handles the protocols the best, will have the most success this year."

 

I believe the Bills organization has set things up properly to do so, but ultimately the onus is on the players to behave with integrity.

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It does seem as though there need to be some teeth in the rules to make players and coaches take them seriously.

 

I'd say more but we're (on the Mod side) still trying to sort out where the line is between football-relevant news about rule breaking players, and opening the door to general covid-19 discussion. 

 

But the key point is: players and teams who are doing everything right, can have their team's success and their own health put at risk by players and teams who are not taking it seriously, and that ain't right.  Yeah, they're all tested on Saturday before the game Sunday (or tested the day before they play) but no clinical test is 100%.

I said it in this week's thread but it doesn't matter how you fall on this Covid and mask thing this is NFL rules right now. Anyone that tests positive is missing some decent time so teams/players can't just put other teams at risk it's not like we can avoid them.

[Bob in NoCal]

18 minutes ago, Augie said:

Zay Jones was there, but he was unlikely to catch it. Nathan Peterman was also there, but there’s no telling who might have caught it from him! 

Were there any opposing team members there?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It does seem as though there need to be some teeth in the rules to make players and coaches take them seriously.

 

I'd say more but we're (on the Mod side) still trying to sort out where the line is between football-relevant news about rule breaking players, and opening the door to general covid-19 discussion. 

 

But the key point is: players and teams who are doing everything right, can have their team's success and their own health put at risk by players and teams who are not taking it seriously, and that ain't right.  Yeah, they're all tested on Saturday before the game Sunday (or tested the day before they play) but no clinical test is 100%.

to me, this isn’t a covid or non-covid thing. This is a collective bargaining thing. The players and league came up with a detailed health and safety scheme, including opt outs, testing, masks, and strict rules as to what players Can and can’t do. 
 

the players can’t simply flaunt this and get away with a slap on the wrist. Some of these players on opposite teams decided against opting out, under the assumption that everyone would follow these rules.

 

I am sorry, but these guys need to be suspended and quarantined for 2 weeks. 

 

[JGMcD2]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

to me, this isn’t a covid or non-covid thing. This is a collective bargaining thing. The players and league came up with a detailed health and safety scheme, including opt outs, testing, masks, and strict rules as to what players Can and can’t do. 
 

the players can’t simply flaunt this and get away with a slap on the wrist. Some of these players on opposite teams decided against opting out, under the assumption that everyone would follow these rules.

 

I am sorry, but these guys need to be suspended and quarantined for 2 weeks. 

 

Bingo. This needs to be pinned somewhere.

 

I don't think there is ANY disputing the statement above.

[JGMcD2]

Derek Carr

Nathan Peterman

Zay Jones

Jason Witten

Foster Moreau

Derek Carrier

Darren Waller

Nevin Lawson

 

All of those guys on top of 

 

 

Could the raiders even field a team?

Edited September 30, 2020 by JGMcD2

[Turk71]

There is no way those players should be allowed anywhere near the Bills, who are following  protocol to protect the game. No Way. I would insist on it if I were the Bills.

  Also, the teams that break protocol should get no special considerations regarding making up games that can't be played. If you break protocol and the team can't play you forfeit. If they don't keep teams accountable the whole season could be lost.

[LABILLBACKER]

38 minutes ago, Augie said:

Zay Jones was there, but he was unlikely to catch it. Nathan Peterman was also there, but there’s no telling who might have caught it from him! 

Augie that's perfect.....

[Turk71]

14 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Derek Carr

Nathan Peterman

Zay Jones

Jason Witten

Foster Moreau

Derek Carrier

Darren Waller

Nevin Lawson

 

All of those guys on top of 

 

 

Could the raiders even field a team?

They broke the rules everyone agreed to, the Bills should not be anywhere near those players. The Bills must insist those guys don't play, their ignorance could put the entire season at risk. Fukin idiots. If the team says they can't play they should forfeit, if you willfully break the rules agreed upon you deserve no special treatment.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Turk71

[BillsfaninChicago]

57 minutes ago, Augie said:

Zay Jones was there, but he was unlikely to catch it. Nathan Peterman was also there, but there’s no telling who might have caught it from him! 

👏👏👏👏 Post of the year candidate! 😂 

[Warcodered]

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/raiders/raiders-investigating-after-players-attend-gala-without-wearing-masks-2132533/

 

video of it plays at the top these guys are idiots.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Warcodered

[Warcodered]

What I think makes this worse for the Raiders is what's happening for the Titans right now.

[MJS]

Wow. I think they also need to conduct IQ tests for those players and anyone involved.

 

Something tells me that Gruden (who was already fined for not wearing a mask properly on the sideline) has not been taking this seriously. He seems like the football jock type that thinks it's all a bunch of bull crap.

 

Teams like this are going to ruin it for everyone. Bring down the hammer on them so everyone sees that you can't do this crap.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It does seem as though there need to be some teeth in the rules to make players and coaches take them seriously.

 

I'd say more but we're (on the Mod side) still trying to sort out where the line is between football-relevant news about rule breaking players, and opening the door to general covid-19 discussion. 

 

But the key point is: players and teams who are doing everything right, can have their team's success and their own health put at risk by players and teams who are not taking it seriously, and that ain't right.  Yeah, they're all tested on Saturday before the game Sunday (or tested the day before they play) but no clinical test is 100%.

The NBA and MLB came down hard early against players who violated protocols. The result: COVID-19 did not derail their seasons.

Besides, nothing better than a bunch of Raiders being ineligible to play this weekend. Not that that has anything to do with my opinion ...

54 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Derek Carr

Nathan Peterman

Zay Jones

Jason Witten

Foster Moreau

Derek Carrier

Darren Waller

Nevin Lawson

 

All of those guys on top of 

 

 

Could the raiders even field a team?

Forfeit!

Or even better: Peterman!

EDIT: Damn, just noticed Peterman is on the list.

Edited September 30, 2020 by The Frankish Reich

[Warcodered]

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According to an attendee at the Waller event, people were allowed in without filling out any COVID-19 questionnaire or getting their temperatures taken.

 

Seriously this pisses me off. On the one hand if this gets us a free win(which yes a wins a win) I'll be angry that I didn't get to see Allen light the Raiders up in a dome plus it'll ***** all of his numbers up for the year.

On the other hand if they don't do anything I'll be extremely annoyed and if something happens to our players following this game I'll probably explode.

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Raiders coach Jon Gruden, who recently revealed that he had recovered from the virus, has made dealing with COVID-19 a high priority for his team, often saying he wants to “crush” the virus.

So that whole fire drill he pulled was just a bunch of bull####?

[LeGOATski]

I'm fine if they postpone this game back to week 18....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

Bingo. This needs to be pinned somewhere.

 

I don't think there is ANY disputing the statement above.

 

Only place it matters if it's pinned: League office

[smuvtalker]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

Zay Jones was there, but he was unlikely to catch it. Nathan Peterman was also there, but there’s no telling who might have caught it from him! 

You're killin me Petey!!!  😂😂😂

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

The players in attendance should be forced to sit out this week. They shouldn't be eligible for return until they pass COVID tests over a 10 day period. They would be eligible to return for week 5.

 

I don't see any other way to do it... I am serious. I understand it was a charitable event... but when the rules say you're banned from attending any event that "violates local and state restrictions" and then there are fines levied on the event, "The city of Henderson fined the country club $2,000 on Tuesday for four violations of the Nevada governor's COVID-19 emergency directives, including people not wearing masks and having more than 50 people at the event. The club has 30 days to pay or dispute the fine." 

 

There needs to be serious punishment and protocol put in place to make sure these players don't potentially put their teammates... and the Bills players at risk of losing their season.

 

 

 

Can't see it happening, but yeah, it makes total sense. Instead, though, money will rule as it does pretty much every time at the league level.

[Captain Caveman]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/29/raiders-fail-to-wear-masks-at-public-event-potentially-putting-them-in-hot-water/

 

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The league can fine players for violating its personal responsibility rules.

 

It doesn't mention suspension as a possible penalty unfortunately.  The NBA took this stuff seriously, and that's why they were able to play a full season.  If the NFL doesn't (take it seriously) they won't (have a full season.)

 

They also just had this in the news a day earlier.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nfl-investigating-raiders-for-violating-covid-19-protocols-144124035.html

 

C'mon Raiders, get your ***** together.

[machine gun kelly]

I agree with the comments to suspend these guys from a game if it’s in the CBA, and lose a game check.  Guaranteed, no one else in the league does it again.  They should not be penalized if they test positive, but follow all of the protocols, etc.

 

The penalty has to be enough to deter future actions by the players.

[whatdrought]

Not to get into the minutia of how the testing/virus works, but last week we saw a player in a locker room test positive on like Thursday or something like that. When everyone else tested negative on Saturday they were deemed fit to play. 
 

Additionally, the Titans had a mini outbreak on Monday and the plan seems to be that If everyone passes tests throughout the week they will play. 
 

That being said- I get the frustration and I get the idea of making an example of them, but if they all test negative Saturday shouldn’t it be business as usual?

[YoloinOhio]

I think the players should be fined if they broke the rule of the CBA. It really appears that the organization lacks control around the approach to this given gruden’s lack of mask and subsequent fine, and the investigation into them not following protocol with the facility. But they are tested daily, and the event was Monday. So if they test positive, they won’t be playing. If not, they will. 

[Kwai San]

1 hour ago, Captain Caveman said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/29/raiders-fail-to-wear-masks-at-public-event-potentially-putting-them-in-hot-water/

 

 

It doesn't mention suspension as a possible penalty unfortunately.  The NBA took this stuff seriously, and that's why they were able to play a full season.  If the NFL doesn't (take it seriously) they won't (have a full season.)

 

They also just had this in the news a day earlier.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nfl-investigating-raiders-for-violating-covid-19-protocols-144124035.html

 

C'mon Raiders, get your ***** together.

 

NBA played in a bubble tho.....

[Dablitzkrieg]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think the players should be fined if they broke the rule of the CBA. It really appears that the organization lacks control around the approach to this given gruden’s lack of mask and subsequent fine, and the investigation into them not following protocol with the facility. But they are tested daily, and the event was Monday. So if they test positive, they won’t be playing. If not, they will. 

The issue is that they can be carriers for like 10 days I believe without testing positive which is concerning.  The Bills will be exposed to both teams in back to back weeks that could put them at risk.

[Captain Caveman]

1 minute ago, Kwai San said:

 

NBA played in a bubble tho.....

 

Yeah, that's kind of my point.  They took it more seriously from the beginning.  Also they had severe punishment when players didn't follow the rules.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-nba/rockets-forward-house-ejected-from-nba-bubble-for-unauthorized-guest-idUSKBN26232H

 

[ALLEN1QB]

It starts from the top look at their head coach how arrogant he is not wearing a mask on the sidelines it should come as no surprise the players are acting the same way. 

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

 

Yeah, that's kind of my point.  They took it more seriously from the beginning.  Also they had severe punishment when players didn't follow the rules.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-nba/rockets-forward-house-ejected-from-nba-bubble-for-unauthorized-guest-idUSKBN26232H

 

I wouldn’t say they took it more seriously, they just feasibly could bubble for 8 weeks (or whatever it is) to stage a playoff and made it happen. The nfl could not bubble. 

[hemma]

Sounds like they all need to be immediately treated for the Do U Know Who I Am? syndrome.

Their parents forgot about that vaccination.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

The issue is that they can be carriers for like 10 days I believe without testing positive which is concerning.  The Bills will be exposed to both teams in back to back weeks that could put them at risk.

The rapid daily antigen tests are so sensitive that the y can detect the virus before it is even contagious. Is that what they are using? I know that’s what the big ten is using I assume nfl has the same 

 

[OK, folks, not the right place to discuss covid-19 incubation period, when people start being contagious, or the sensitivity and selectivity of different tests.  Somewhere Else, Not Here -mod]