Da webster guy Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I've watched this kick in slow motion and regular speed a dozen times. Two things are clear, the first is that the ball was not above the uprights at all. It was close, but certainly the ref standing UNDER the upright has no clue. Second, this kick was good by several feet, not just a few inches. The NFL using the excuse that balls kicked above the upright are not reviewable is ridiculous, how do you know it was above the upright? There is only one way, from a side view camera even with the top of the goal posts which means either attached to the posts themselves or 40 rows up on the sidelines. The ones in the upper end zones have no angle on this critical piece of information. So many games come down to kicks, I'm shocked that this is just getting brushed under the table. NFL needs to wise up and use the simple technology available to be able to get these calls right. They finally added pylon cams, and even this year they are actually placing cameras on the first down markers (duh). Imagine a superbowl decided by a kick and we aren't even sure if you can challenge it or not? McD should have thrown the challenge flag "coach you can't challenge a ball above the uprights" McD "i'm challenging that it wasn't above the uprights, lets see your replay" uh....um....we just have a camera on the ends of the field and one under the goals posts in the middle so.....you know these cameras are expensive coach. 12 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Pic or it didn’t happen seriously. w/o a picture of it over and inside the GP there is no refutable evidence. the eh hem ref was under the GP was he directly under, off to the right or left we won’t know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 And were you able to zoom in at the exact moment when it when it crossed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I asked in the other thread but the crossbar cam, if it was working, would tell a lot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I wish the NFL would hust put a microchip in the ball go have definite proof for instances like this and crossing the plane plays as well. 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 If they can put a camera in an end zone pylon, they can put one on each upright. Just now, boco357 said: I wish the NFL would hust put a microchip in the ball go have definite proof for instances like this and crossing the plane plays as well. Or frickin' laser beams. 4 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecmic82 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Don't know about this particular kick, but agree there's no reason not to have tech installed to conclusively solve the problem. Could easily put a camera onto each post pointing directly upward, or a camera fitted into the end of each goalpost, pointed upward with a field of vision equal the goalpost's diameter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: I've watched this kick in slow motion and regular speed a dozen times. Two things are clear, the first is that the ball was not above the uprights at all. It was close, but certainly the ref standing UNDER the upright has no clue. Second, this kick was good by several feet, not just a few inches. The NFL using the excuse that balls kicked above the upright are not reviewable is ridiculous, how do you know it was above the upright? There is only one way, from a side view camera even with the top of the goal posts which means either attached to the posts themselves or 40 rows up on the sidelines. The ones in the upper end zones have no angle on this critical piece of information. So many games come down to kicks, I'm shocked that this is just getting brushed under the table. NFL needs to wise up and use the simple technology available to be able to get these calls right. They finally added pylon cams, and even this year they are actually placing cameras on the first down markers (duh). Imagine a superbowl decided by a kick and we aren't even sure if you can challenge it or not? McD should have thrown the challenge flag "coach you can't challenge a ball above the uprights" McD "i'm challenging that it wasn't above the uprights, lets see your replay" uh....um....we just have a camera on the ends of the field and one under the goals posts in the middle so.....you know these cameras are expensive coach. Stop---it was clearly over the uprights. So this line of argument is completely without merit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) it would be really simple to install cams on the cross bars that give a definitive view whether the ball was higher than the uprights or not. Edited September 15, 2020 by Motorin' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobilz Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Um extend the uprights . Problem solved 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikuman Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 put a drones in the air above the goalposts...or bring back the blimp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, boco357 said: I wish the NFL would hust put a microchip in the ball go have definite proof for instances like this and crossing the plane plays as well. I know right?? $2 solution to a million dollar problem. And no more stupid goal line “did he get in??” reviews. Edited September 15, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Alternatively, kick the ball down the middle on a routine 38 yard attempt. 11 3 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I know right?? $2 solution to a million dollar problem. And no more stupid goal line “did he get in??” reviews. Wouldn't help much as most controversies are surrounding whether player was down before the ball broke the plane. Chips can't decide. Just now, Big C said: Alternatively, kick the ball down the middle on a routine 38 yard attempt. There you go. This kid had 4 chip shot and one went straight through the uprights. Yeesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Wouldn't help much as most controversies are surrounding whether player was down before the ball broke the plane. Chips can't decide. There you go. This kid had 4 chip shot and one went straight through the uprights. Yeesh. It guarantees knowledge of one of the two variables. Given that and time synchronization with all camera angles, it solves 99% of the scenarios. This isn’t hard. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: It guarantees knowledge of one of the two variables. Given that and time synchronization with all camera angles, it solves 99% of the scenarios. This isn’t hard. If the fact of whether the ball even crossed the plane is so obscured to all replays then it is likely that the player being down is also an issue. A straight shot of a non-downed player with the ball at the plane is an easy call (i.e., yes, it "isn't hard" at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If the fact of whether the ball even crossed the plane is so obscured to all replays then it is likely that the player being down is also an issue. A straight shot of a non-downed player with the ball at the plane is an easy call (i.e., yes, it "isn't hard" at all). ok you’re right it’s impossible to solve. I guess we should stick to launching satellites and finding new subatomic particles... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 36 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: If they can put a camera in an end zone pylon, they can put one on each upright. Or frickin' laser beams. A laser beam that blows up the football if it crosses its path. good entertainment 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: ok you’re right it’s impossible to solve. I guess we should stick to launching satellites and finding new subatomic particles... Those would yield useful results, so yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 40 minutes ago, boco357 said: I wish the NFL would hust put a microchip in the ball go have definite proof for instances like this and crossing the plane plays as well. OK BIG BROTHER 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 skate in the crease. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 57 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: I've watched this kick in slow motion and regular speed a dozen times. Two things are clear, the first is that the ball was not above the uprights at all. It was close, but certainly the ref standing UNDER the upright has no clue. Second, this kick was good by several feet, not just a few inches. The NFL using the excuse that balls kicked above the upright are not reviewable is ridiculous, how do you know it was above the upright? There is only one way, from a side view camera even with the top of the goal posts which means either attached to the posts themselves or 40 rows up on the sidelines. The ones in the upper end zones have no angle on this critical piece of information. So many games come down to kicks, I'm shocked that this is just getting brushed under the table. NFL needs to wise up and use the simple technology available to be able to get these calls right. They finally added pylon cams, and even this year they are actually placing cameras on the first down markers (duh). Imagine a superbowl decided by a kick and we aren't even sure if you can challenge it or not? McD should have thrown the challenge flag "coach you can't challenge a ball above the uprights" McD "i'm challenging that it wasn't above the uprights, lets see your replay" uh....um....we just have a camera on the ends of the field and one under the goals posts in the middle so.....you know these cameras are expensive coach. So you admit that there is no camera angle which definitively proves the ball above the upright but you clearly saw the ball pass between the uprights by several feet? Who is uncertain on whether a kick can be reviewed? You can throw the challenge flag on an non-reviewable play and nothing happens. He missed the kick. Get a grip. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 50 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: I've watched this kick in slow motion and regular speed a dozen times. Two things are clear, the first is that the ball was not above the uprights at all. It was close, but certainly the ref standing UNDER the upright has no clue. Second, this kick was good by several feet, not just a few inches. The NFL using the excuse that balls kicked above the upright are not reviewable is ridiculous, how do you know it was above the upright? There is only one way, from a side view camera even with the top of the goal posts which means either attached to the posts themselves or 40 rows up on the sidelines. The ones in the upper end zones have no angle on this critical piece of information. So many games come down to kicks, I'm shocked that this is just getting brushed under the table. NFL needs to wise up and use the simple technology available to be able to get these calls right. They finally added pylon cams, and even this year they are actually placing cameras on the first down markers (duh). Imagine a superbowl decided by a kick and we aren't even sure if you can challenge it or not? McD should have thrown the challenge flag "coach you can't challenge a ball above the uprights" McD "i'm challenging that it wasn't above the uprights, lets see your replay" uh....um....we just have a camera on the ends of the field and one under the goals posts in the middle so.....you know these cameras are expensive coach. Not sure I understand some of this. The kick was most definitely higher than the top of the goal posts (above the uprights as they say). The question is where in regards to the goalpost was the ball as it crossed the goalpost and how is the rule written. Sal thought if any part of the ball was above the post - the kick was considered good and therefore he thought it was good, but he was not sure of the exact wording - which totally matters in a case like this. Second this is not the first time this has been an issue- as last year there was a kick where the far side judge ruled it no good and the judge under the goalpost ruled it good - after discussion they decided it was good - so this does need to be addressed. What I can not tell and what I have to trust the judge is the position of the ball at the moment it crosses the end line. The best person to judge that should be the guy standing right under goalpost and looking straight up. The easiest fix would be cameras on the top of the goalpost, but I would worry about wind and the effects on the goal post creating weird angles. We will have to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: So you admit that there is no camera angle which definitively proves the ball above the upright but you clearly saw the ball pass between the uprights by several feet? Who is uncertain on whether a kick can be reviewed? You can throw the challenge flag on an non-reviewable play and nothing happens. He missed the kick. Get a grip. Oh he's not the only one who "saw" that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 The field goal in question is not unlike Josh's infamous overthrow to Brown. Easy kick. Why are you kicking it so hard? Chillax and chip that thing in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Monday after a win is the time glow. I love Tuesdays after a win when people grapple to be pissed about something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Da webster guy said: I've watched this kick in slow motion and regular speed a dozen times. Two things are clear, the first is that the ball was not above the uprights at all. It was close, but certainly the ref standing UNDER the upright has no clue. Second, this kick was good by several feet, not just a few inches. The NFL using the excuse that balls kicked above the upright are not reviewable is ridiculous, how do you know it was above the upright? There is only one way, from a side view camera even with the top of the goal posts which means either attached to the posts themselves or 40 rows up on the sidelines. The ones in the upper end zones have no angle on this critical piece of information. So many games come down to kicks, I'm shocked that this is just getting brushed under the table. NFL needs to wise up and use the simple technology available to be able to get these calls right. They finally added pylon cams, and even this year they are actually placing cameras on the first down markers (duh). Imagine a superbowl decided by a kick and we aren't even sure if you can challenge it or not? McD should have thrown the challenge flag "coach you can't challenge a ball above the uprights" McD "i'm challenging that it wasn't above the uprights, lets see your replay" uh....um....we just have a camera on the ends of the field and one under the goals posts in the middle so.....you know these cameras are expensive coach. A multi Billon $$$ company and the NFL can't afford to extend the goal posts 10ft on each side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: A laser beam that blows up the football if it crosses its path. good entertainment An experiment can start with Denver and Indy who can mount tiny equine noggins on the top of their goalposts. One eye can be a camera looking toward the other post and the other eye can be the laser pointing straight up. I swear when I was watching the game they showed a replay view from beneath. I said.....wait a second......I never saw that angle again. Am I remembering it wrong? Edited September 16, 2020 by 4merper4mer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Da webster guy said: Imagine a superbowl decided by a kick I don’t have to imagine.... 😢 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) Who cares, it didn't affect the outcome. Bad calls are a part of the game. Instant replay is the worst thing that ever happened to sports. But it wouldn't be that difficult to rig the goalposts with lasers that could detect anything breaking the plane. It's the same technology that prevents your garage door from crushing your cat. Edited September 16, 2020 by skibum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: An experiment can start with Denver and Indy who can mount tiny equine noggins on the top of their goalposts. One eye can be a camera looking toward the other post and the other eye can be the laser pointing straight up. I swear when I was watching the game they showed a replay view from beneath. I said.....wait a second......I never saw that angle again. Am I remembering it wrong? I was going to say this. When the actual kick happened there was a replay that showed it from below. It wasn't definitive but it had me saying "wait a sec". They never showed it again but after that break is when the announcers started to discuss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 it looked like he missed it....wide right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Stop---it was clearly over the uprights. So this line of argument is completely without merit. Correct 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: Or frickin' laser beams How bout sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their head instead? Or when refs get calls wrong we dump them into burning pits of hot liquid magma! bwahgahbwahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I did think it was a bit odd that the announcers all concurred that it was good. I couldn’t tell when it passed the upright, it was fading right quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 For easier decisions by the refs, I say, which no one will agree with, is to put a crossbar at the top of the goal posts and force the kickers to kick it inside the huge rectangle. Bass will surely be unemployed but almost the rest of the league's kickers would be able to handle the rule change 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: How bout sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their head instead? Or when refs get calls wrong we dump them into burning pits of hot liquid magma! bwahgahbwahaha Edited September 16, 2020 by PromoTheRobot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tierlifer Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, boco357 said: I wish the NFL would hust put a microchip in the ball go have definite proof for instances like this and crossing the plane plays as well. If they have the technology to tell when a tennis ball going 110+mph is in our out, they can certainly do what you just proposed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Tierlifer said: If they have the technology to tell when a tennis ball going 110+mph is in our out, they can certainly do what you just proposed. That's true. And while we are at it why don't we put transmitters inside of our cars that alert the police when we are speeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: If they can put a camera in an end zone pylon, they can put one on each upright. I was thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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