Josh Allen takes a step: 71.7% and 104.6 Passer Rating on 46 passing attempts

[ngbills]

2 minutes ago, Ecmic82 said:

2-3 on passes over 20 yards. Had another free play deep pass to brown that probably shouldn’t been caught. The pass to Beasley could’ve been better, but that was the type of pass he might’ve missed last year. Great drop-in 22 yarder to Diggs. 24% on 20+ yarders last year.

 

Used snap-count to draw Jets offside on important third down.

 

Looked like he audibled the play that resulted in Brown’s touchdown.

 

designed passes stayed pass plays - which showed me that maybe he’s done a lot of work on going through progressions.

 

Great decision making overall I thought. How many third down throws did he make that were well placed a yard or two past the marker? How many plays did Allen make where you asked, “Why on Earth did you decide to do THAT, Josh”? For me, barely any.

 

Maybe my expectations are too low, but all I care to see is meaningful forward progress from Allen, and I saw that yesterday, especially in the two areas he NEEDED to improve upon - deep throws and decision making.

 

I am happy.

Disagree on the bolded. But I call it a solid B. Grading on a scale of how good I expect him to be and the Bills this year. 

 

designed passes stayed pass plays - which showed me that maybe he’s done a lot of work on going through progressions. (Decent number of plays he turned into scrambles; Without seeing film hard to say if many of the checkdowns were right decision or not making the open throw.)

 

Great decision making overall I thought. How many third down throws did he make that were well placed a yard or two past the marker? How many plays did Allen make where you asked, “Why on Earth did you decide to do THAT, Josh”? For me, barely any. (Not many but a few second half wtf moments.)

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

Yesterday's game. You said it - one game. As I said - Josh has the well deserved reputation based on his NFL and College stats as being inaccurate. He needs to earn a new reputation. One game does not change that. Do you think it should?

 

Nobody questions this doesn't happen. Difference is this is showing examples of guys that have won the MVP and are proven passers making bad passes vs a guy that has yet to prove that he can be an accurate passer. Its like the guy that is late to work a few times a week is late and says but everyone is late once in awhile. Yes, true but for them its the exception not the norm. Allen needs to earn a reputation and until then it is what he is. 

 

I'm not sure how anyone watched Allen yesterday and didn't see significant improvement in his his overall throwing and accuracy, especially over his college days. He was hitting people in stride, throwing receivers open, and threading a couple of needles. Yes, there is always room for improvement, and quite honestly I wish they'd stop with the designed run plays, but the quarterback I saw yesterday was WAY improved over the guy I saw near the end of last year.

 

I suspect you're not going to be convinced until he wins a game that means something to you.  But given that there were no preseason games and this was the team's first real action, you'd be hard pressed to ask for more clear and obvious improvements from your quarterback than what Allen did yesterday.

[Ecmic82]

6 hours ago, ngbills said:

Disagree on the bolded. But I call it a solid B. Grading on a scale of how good I expect him to be and the Bills this year. 

 

designed passes stayed pass plays - which showed me that maybe he’s done a lot of work on going through progressions. (Decent number of plays he turned into scrambles; Without seeing film hard to say if many of the checkdowns were right decision or not making the open throw.)

 

Great decision making overall I thought. How many third down throws did he make that were well placed a yard or two past the marker? How many plays did Allen make where you asked, “Why on Earth did you decide to do THAT, Josh”? For me, barely any. (Not many but a few second half wtf moments.)

I counted 4 scramble runs on 50 designed passes. Not a high rate of scrambling in my opinion. And eminently reasonable in the modern NFL.
 

would like to hear the specific WTF moments, and why you didn’t think his decision making was great overall.
 

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Ecmic82

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Ecmic82 said:

I counted 3 scramble runs on 49 designed passes. Not a high rate of scrambling in my opinion.
 

would like to hear the specific WTF moments, and why you didn’t think his decision making was great overall.
 

 

 

The almost INT after the Brown miss is the big one for me.  He was rolling and backpedaling to his right and threw it up into coverage.  We missed the FG anyway, but plays like that take points off the board.  

[Ecmic82]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

The almost INT after the Brown miss is the big one for me.  He was rolling and backpedaling to his right and threw it up into coverage.  We missed the FG anyway, but plays like that take points off the board.  

That was one. The Beasley one probably shouldn’t have been thrown but it was thrown in a pretty safe spot.

I guess it’s a matter of starting expectation. I though Allen’s decision-making was great despite that throw, while others might view his overall decision-making as less than great because of that throw. I think that’s a bar too high for ANYONE to meet.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Ecmic82

[boater]

The fumbles were the price paid for no preseason. JA wore a red shhirt jersey all of training camp and never met a DB in full contact. Sunday was a wakeup call for him, I'm sure it hit home.

[TFBillsfan]

Overall solid game by Josh yesterday. As other mentions, he just has to secure the ball better when running. On the scoring misses to Knox and Brown, he just needs to slow down. When he rolled out he had ample time to set and throw it. Hopefully the coaching staff continues to reinforce in practice.  Make no mistake Josh isn’t a game manager QB and his arrow is trending straight up. Teams now will have to account for his passing AND running which only opens up options on the offense.

 

Bottomline if the Bills played a perfect game yesterday they win 45-3. I’d rather they get the win and come away with some additional items to improve so they are well prepared for the top tier teams!

 

Love VICTORY Monday’s!!!!!!!!!!

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, I am always puzzled by how he is so bad with it given his size and strength.  

 

But, I do think its very much about him not be a natural RB and his muscle memory isn't there yet on having a feel on keeping that ball high and tight.  He is so competitive and I think his focus tends to lean on getting more yards and running away from people and that is when his ball security is sloppy.  Josh is good at covering it up when he sees the contact coming, but he just doesn't seem to wrap it up fast enough when in traffic before he realizes he is about to get hit.  Couple that with his reputation for fumbling, and defenders are focusing on punching that ball out every time too.  

 

 

 

Agree and maybe besides muscle memory, it's plain old brain memory, being the first game he forgot how often he'd had it stripped out last season.  He did improve as the year went by on the fumbling, will be interesting to see next week.

 

Wouldn't be shocked either of Dabo gets a talking too from McD about not calling so many runs and putting him positions to be hit.  You wonder WRT the gameplan how much of the specific is McD aware of.  Like does he know how many times Dabo plan to call a run.  Likely that's not even known prior by Dabo, may more just happen.  But McD may tell him to makei happen much less.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Lol. Pro Bowl and SUPER BOWL QBs 

are allowed to have those bad passes but not Josh 

 

and this is why these arguments are fruitless 

 

it’s like 

 

[Penfield45]

8 hours ago, Foxx said:

like most here, i loved Allen's game yesterday. there is no question that he has come a long way from when he entered the league to where he is today.

 

just a note of caution though, this was the first game of a unprecedented off season. one where there were no preseason games and teams with not a whole lot of continuity are going to have initial pains getting into their groove. that being said, the talent difference out there on the field yesterday was stark. if not for the few miscues we had (though to be fair, every team has them), it would have been over at the half. give it a month, we will have a better idea what level we are at after the Dolphins, Rams and Raiders games and for sure will know where we are after the Titans and Chiefs games.

 

additionally, i think an argument could be made for Josh's fumbles counting against his passer rating. which i think is partly what ESPN's QBR does. he was 13th in the league yesterday at 71.2. with 4 QB's still to be evaluated tonight, he is middle of the pack either way at this point.

 

this reminds me

 

our schedule is insanely brutal this season. 

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, pi2000 said:

 

 

1. Brown end-zone
2. Beasley down the seam, an underthrown completion would be a TD if he leads him
3. Out route to Brown in the 3rd quarter, threw it right into the ground 10ft short with a clean pocket
4. Knox
5. He forced a couple in the end-zone that should've been picked

 

 

 

 

 

Judas Priest it figures that on a day when Allen had one of if not his best passing performances folks would come out of the woodwork and analyze EVERY freaking throw for signs of imperfection. 

 

If you watch ANY NFL game you will ALWAYS see crappy passes now and then.  Just like you see dropped passes or missed FG's or sloppy tackling or missed blocks or guys going offside on a hard count.  NO QB, including even the best like Mahomes could withstand this level of bat feces crazy scrutiny.

 

I get that non-Bills fans looking to have some fun with a good troll would come on here and spout this stuff but why would any Bills fan?  Especially after yesterday?  Psychologists probably have a term for this.  But I'll use the non-medical term of calling them "sad sacks".

 

 

 

 

 

[JoPoy88]

50 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Lol. Pro Bowl and SUPER BOWL QBs 

are allowed to have those bad passes but not Josh 

 

and this is why these arguments are fruitless 

 

it’s like 

 

I pointed out that overthrow yesterday but I am certainly not harping on it. Allen played excellent overall. The fumbles could be opening day nerves; I hope they are at least. Not something to worry about yet. 
 

bottom line for me is Allen improved year 1 to year 2 and i expect the same 2 to 3. 

[pi2000]

25 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Judas Priest it figures that on a day when Allen had one of if not his best passing performances folks would come out of the woodwork and analyze EVERY freaking throw for signs of imperfection. 

 

If you watch ANY NFL game you will ALWAYS see crappy passes now and then.  Just like you see dropped passes or missed FG's or sloppy tackling or missed blocks or guys going offside on a hard count.  NO QB, including even the best like Mahomes could withstand this level of bat feces crazy scrutiny.

 

I get that non-Bills fans looking to have some fun with a good troll would come on here and spout this stuff but why would any Bills fan?  Especially after yesterday?  Psychologists probably have a term for this.  But I'll use the non-medical term of calling them "sad sacks".

 

 

 

 

 

 

...can't criticize JA now?  I was responding to a post that said he had 1 bad throw.... jebus.   

 

The thing that separates elite QBs from good QBs is ball placement.    JA will tell you himself that he needs to improve in that area.    You can get away with those throws against a team like the Jets and still win.    You can't get away those throws in a barn-burner against the Chiefs and expect to win.   Do better.

[SJDK]

On 9/13/2020 at 3:14 PM, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

I’m not. I just turned 41 ugh . I have seen 20 years of mediocre qbs come through here.. I’ve embraced him and love the unpredictability with him. I’m ride or die with Josh. Football is fun again!

Same age and same thoughts here. He’s a passionate passionate man. He’s got full command of the offense and I am as confident in him as I would be with anyone. Love this kid

Josh is that guy that throws the first punch. That’s the kind of quarterback we have wanted and he’s the guy we need. Keep it up Josh, you are a man amongst boys

[transplantbillsfan]

15 hours ago, SCBills said:

That Brown miss was heaven sent for the Allen haters.   If he just two hand shovels it to Brown, it’s completed and Allen now has 4 total TD’s as we eclipse 30 points.   
 

That miss gave them a visual to cling to and, along with a garbage time TD, made the game look about 1,000 times closer than it actually was. 
 

Sam Monson immediately tweets it out, completely disregarding 33/46 - 312. 
 

 

 

It was so damn predictable as soon as that play was done.

 

This morning Cowherd went on some rant about how, unlike Lamar Jackson who he believes will inevitably evolve into a pure pocket passer who doesn't need to run, Josh Allen will ALWAYS need to be an effective runner... and he pointed to that one play as the reason.

 

Talk about cherry picking.

 

Of course, he is also in love with Sam Darnold who was absolutely awful yesterday and wildly missed a ton of passes.

[transplantbillsfan]

14 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

He had a perfect deep ball on a free play when the Jets jumped Offside but Brown dropped it. If Diggs was there it would have been about a 30 yard completion.

 

Thanks for pointing this one out!

 

That one kinda gnawed at me but I was riding the high of the victory.

 

That play was a great example of Allen’s progress in terms of both game awareness and deep ball accuracy.

 

Brown should've caught that.

8 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

 

To wit...

 

 

 

 

The Brady one might have been intentionally high because of the coverage, but I wish tons of people would Twitter blast that Mahomes pass to Sam Monson and Colin Cowherd and whoever points to that missed pass to John Brown as "welp... that’s just who Josh Allen is!"

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Thanks for pointing this one out!

 

That one kinda gnawed at me but I was riding the high of the victory.

 

That play was a great example of Allen’s progress in terms of both game awareness and deep ball accuracy.

 

Brown should've caught that.

 

I think I'm the only one on the board that feels this way but John Brown is overrated by Bills fans. We went so long without remotely competent WR play that he looks like a #1 WR in comparison. But there's a reason he's been a #2/#3 option his entire career. He makes too many mistakes on big plays and is just average at escaping man coverage. That being said he will be the beneficiary of Diggs drawing coverage and Allen's arm strength so I expect him to have a big year.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think I'm the only one on the board that feels this way but John Brown is overrated by Bills fans. We went so long without remotely competent WR play that he looks like a #1 WR in comparison. But there's a reason he's been a #2/#3 option his entire career. He makes too many mistakes on big plays and is just average at escaping man coverage. That being said he will be the beneficiary of Diggs drawing coverage and Allen's arm strength so I expect him to have a big year.

 

Oh I completely agree.

 

Brown is not a #1.

 

But I am VERY happy with Diggs, Brown and Beasley as our top 3 WRs and I'm excited to see what Davis can do.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

So after completing 71 percent of his passes in game one on a career high number of attempts where does everyone think Allen's completion percentage will finish at now? I'm gonna be really optimistic and say at or above 63.0%

 

That would put his three year progression at 2018- 52.8%   2019- 58.8   2020- 63.0% That would be something.

[MJS]

I say let the kid run. It's what he does, he's good at it, and it is tough for defenses to contain. He just needs to cut it off a yard or two sooner by sliding, getting out of bounds, etc.

[T master]

It's about time !! GO JOSH, GO BILLS !! 

[transplantbillsfan]

https://theathletic.com/2067076/2020/09/15/bills-rewind-10-things-we-learned-from-the-season-opening-win-over-the-jets?source=user-shared-article

Josh Allen by the numbers

Josh Allen had career highs with 33 completions and 312 passing yards on Sunday. He also completed 71 percent of his passes for a tidy stat line through the air.

 

If it looked like the Bills were sticking with shorter passes, the numbers back that up. Allen had an average of 5.5 air yards on his completions, which was right around the middle of the league’s top performers this week. He also attempted only four passes that traveled 20 or more yards in the air. The good news is Allen completed three of those passes after being one of the league’s worst passers in that range a year ago. It’s a small sample size, but promising nonetheless.

 

Of Allen’s 46 passing attempts, 12 of them were thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage. Only Aaron Rogers and Kyler Murray attempted more such passes. A year ago, Allen was tied for 21st in the NFL with 79 passes at or behind the line of scrimmage. The addition of Diggs along with rookies Gabriel Davis and running back Zack Moss give the Bills even more options in the screen game. Dawson Knox also caught a screen pass Sunday. It was clearly a point of emphasis in training camp, and now Buffalo has a new wrinkle for its offense. It’s particularly useful when going against a defense like the Jets, coached by Gregg Williams, who loves to blitz.

[GunnerBill]

On ‎9‎/‎15‎/‎2020 at 4:50 AM, transplantbillsfan said:

 

It was so damn predictable as soon as that play was done.

 

This morning Cowherd went on some rant about how, unlike Lamar Jackson who he believes will inevitably evolve into a pure pocket passer who doesn't need to run, Josh Allen will ALWAYS need to be an effective runner... and he pointed to that one play as the reason.

 

Talk about cherry picking.

 

Of course, he is also in love with Sam Darnold who was absolutely awful yesterday and wildly missed a ton of passes.

 

Yea Cowherd (who I like, I find him entertaining and he always tries to justify his opinions even when they are bat sh*t crazy) has a strange love affair with Sam Darnold. He has gone back and forth some on Josh but he is a crazy Darnold lover.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 9/15/2020 at 12:18 AM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

So after completing 71 percent of his passes in game one on a career high number of attempts where does everyone think Allen's completion percentage will finish at now? I'm gonna be really optimistic and say at or above 63.0%

 

That would put his three year progression at 2018- 52.8%   2019- 58.8   2020- 63.0% That would be something.

 

The best Comp %..in week 1 was 90%.

 

He finished 10th .....  So he still needs work ????     

 

Yes,  there is a ton of sarcasm laced in here. Arguing stats is fruitless because no matter what people will argue them.

 

[Chaos]

71.7% and 104.6 Passer Rating on 46 passing attempts

 

This is not a step.  This is the destination. Allen has arrived. He is an NFL Franchise QB. He is the Bills' Franchise QB.

 

All NFL players are evaluated constantly by there front offices. Josh will be like anyone else (including Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes), but for the moment Allen's position with the Bills for the future is as stable as an NFL QBs future can be. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

Does anyone remember people gushing over Tyrods great completion %?  

(I do)  

 

Oh BTW  TT had the worst completion % this past Sunday..  somewhere near low 50's? 

5 minutes ago, Chaos said:

71.7% and 104.6 Passer Rating on 46 passing attempts

 

This is not a step.  This is the destination. Allen has arrived. He is an NFL Franchise QB. He is the Bills' Franchise QB.

 

All NFL players are evaluated constantly by there front offices. Josh will be like anyone else (including Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes), but for the moment Allen's position with the Bills for the future is as stable as an NFL QBs future can be. 

 

Another silly stat 

 

104.6 Passer Rating   158.3 is the best rating to garner.   So again while 104 "looks" good ........  

 

His QBR was 71.1 out of 100.  

Edited September 17, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[GunnerBill]

27 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

The best Comp %..in week 1 was 90%.

 

He finished 10th .....  So he still needs work ????     

 

Yes,  there is a ton of sarcasm laced in here. Arguing stats is fruitless because no matter what people will argue them.

 

 

It was 95% actually. What you gonna do when Minshew Mani runs wild on you.....?

[Punching Bag]

On 9/13/2020 at 9:49 PM, Virgil said:

I still can’t get over the 70%+ completion percentage. 

 

Find a very long pin and prick yourself to ensure you are awake.

[BillsToast]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

The best Comp %..in week 1 was 90%.

 

He finished 10th .....  So he still needs work ????     

 

Yes,  there is a ton of sarcasm laced in here. Arguing stats is fruitless because no matter what people will argue them.

 

 

As a point of reference the best Comp % was Minshew at 95%. 

[P Riv]

Looking at Allen's progress as a passer got me thinking about winning the Div against the one team opposing us.  So I read this article: https://nesn.com/2020/09/patriots-secondary-might-be-even-more-dangerous-after-losing-key-pieces/?src=rss

and came away thinking that Belichick was watching the evolution of Bills personnel, trends, etc. and built his defense accordingly.  Can we be a power running team against them?  They are built to stop the pass, contain running Qb's obviously, they had to adapt to losing pretty much all their LBs.  I know we won't see them until November, but I feel like the die is already cast with our roster and identity, and power running doesn't seem to be there.  On the flip side of that they did build their team for power running to control the clock.  So trying to read the tea leaves, my guess is they defend Allen by taking away his best weapon, keeping everything underneath and putting a spy on him, occasional blitzes while they try to control the clock.  Late season weather could play a role as well (wind, rain, cold).  

I feel like we're built to trade scores with KC, but not grind it out with Tennessee, Baltimore and maybe NE.  Has Allen really progressed to that point yet where he can carry us?

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by P Riv

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, BillsToast said:

 

As a point of reference the best Comp % was Minshew at 95%. 

 

19 completions for 173 yards. The board would be calling for Jake from State Farm.

Edited September 17, 2020 by Motorin'

[Alphadawg7]

On 9/14/2020 at 1:17 PM, Ecmic82 said:

2-3 on passes over 20 yards...

He was actually 3-4 over 20 yards.  

[BillsToast]

3 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

19 completions for 173 yards. The board would be calling for Jake from State Farm.

 

Not if the team won, over 8 YPA, and he threw 3 TDs in the same game and had 2 killer games to finish the season last year. 

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, P Riv said:

Looking at Allen's progress as a passer got me thinking about winning the Div against the one team opposing us.  So I read this article: https://nesn.com/2020/09/patriots-secondary-might-be-even-more-dangerous-after-losing-key-pieces/?src=rss

and came away thinking that Belichick was watching the evolution of Bills personnel, trends, etc. and built his defense accordingly.  Can we be a power running team against them?  They are built to stop the pass, contain running Qb's obviously, they had to adapt to losing pretty much all their LBs.  I know we won't see them until November, but I feel like the die is already cast with our roster and identity, and power running doesn't seem to be there.

 

 

We had some of our run blockers inactive and the game plan and personnel were designed specifically to play the Jets. 

Give it some time to see true run capability.

[transplantbillsfan]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea Cowherd (who I like, I find him entertaining and he always tries to justify his opinions even when they are bat sh*t crazy) has a strange love affair with Sam Darnold. He has gone back and forth some on Josh but he is a crazy Darnold lover.

 

I feel the same way about Cowherd.

 

Entertaining, but often a narrow-minded idiot.  I understand why he doesn't take fan calls the way Dan Patrick does because it's often so easy to very simply point out how he's completely contradicted himself.

 

I actually thought he was one of the few really coming around on Josh and was kinda surprised when he went into a little rant about that missed pass to Brown as proof of why Josh will always need to run.

[WideNine]

Just thought it was fun to look back to the QB draft and read an old article quoting Phil Simms about Allen being the right guy for Buffalo.

 

Not sure where I stood at the time, but know I was wrong about the few convictions I did have. I do recall thinking Rosen might be the more polished prospect out of all of the class, that Mayfield would be a problem-child, and that Jackson was a RB with delusions of playing QB - a flash in the pan. 

 

 

"The popular case made for Rosen is that he's far more polished than Allen and has a better grasp of the nuances of the position.

Skeptical Bills fans are wary of the rawness of Allen's game, concluding that the team's decision-makers allowed his 6-foot-5, 237-pound frame and powerful arm overshadow his lack of accuracy. They also question the fact Allen not only wasn't dominant enough against the lower level of competition Wyoming faced but struggled against larger schools."

 

Simms' advice to Bills loyalists who'd rather have seen them peg a different future franchise quarterback?

"Don't be second-guessers," he said. "This is the guy that fits Buffalo. He's big, he's mobile, he's meant to live in Antarctica. He's got the fur, he can survive."

 

"Josh Rosen, yeah, he's very polished, but he's a little frail, he's not mobile. Josh Rosen, for the first year or so, he might be the better quarterback. But Josh Allen's not going to get smaller, he can take the punishment. He might slow down, but he's still going to be faster than all these quarterbacks we're talking about except Lamar Jackson."

 

"And he's got (the ability to make) all the throws on the move, which is really important in the NFL. Not that Josh Rosen doesn't have those; it's just not in him to try it that often. And the NFL is this now: everybody is moving to throw the ball. Tom Brady moves out of the pocket and feels that hole or that gap in the defense, he moves to it – right, left and whatever – to make the throw. That is just part of the game and I don't think you can have great success in the league unless you do that."

 

Simms is not calling Allen a perfect quarterback. Far from it. His analysis of Allen's Pro Day video showed, while Allen's skills are more refined than his critics might believe, they're not refined enough.

 

"He has got an unbelievable arm, but there are a few things that he needs to do to really be a machine at quarterback, that he must fix," Simms said.

Two of the biggest are:

 

*Occasionally allowing his arm to get "a little bit too long" in his delivery. "If his hand gets too far away from his shoulders, it goes backward sometimes," Simms said. "Nobody in pro football has success doing that. Yeah, there's probably one or two (exceptions). Russell Wilson winds up and throws it like he's a baseball player, but he has huge hands, grips the ball different from everybody else and he makes it work."

 

*Using his feet to create a "smaller space" from where he throws. "Your right foot (for a right-handed passer) must be under you," Simms said. "That will make him a great short thrower. You can't just say, 'Oh, I'm going to give it touch' and slow your arm down. You've got to turn and be aggressive and (having the proper footwork helps allow) you to fire that ball in there and it's got to be laser-sharp and perfect."

 

How long will it take Allen to make those corrections?

"All he has to be is shown (what to do) and then five minutes later, he's going to go, 'Got it,' " Simms said. "And that's it."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 18, 2020 by WideNine

[ganesh]

On 9/14/2020 at 5:40 PM, JMF2006 said:

 

If he plays like that every game and doesn't fumble the Bills may never lose another game  

Josh is 11-0 for the Bills (Ignore the year ending Jets game)  when his completion % was 60% or more.   So his winning mantra is clear!

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, WideNine said:

Just thought it was fun to look back to the QB draft and read an old article quoting Phil Simms about Allen being the right guy for Buffalo.

 

Not sure where I stood at the time, but know I was wrong about the few convictions I did have. I do recall thinking Rosen might be the more polished prospect out of all of the class, that Mayfield would be a problem-child, and that Jackson was a RB with delusions of playing QB - a flash in the pan. 

 

 

"The popular case made for Rosen is that he's far more polished than Allen and has a better grasp of the nuances of the position.

Skeptical Bills fans are wary of the rawness of Allen's game, concluding that the team's decision-makers allowed his 6-foot-5, 237-pound frame and powerful arm overshadow his lack of accuracy. They also question the fact Allen not only wasn't dominant enough against the lower level of competition Wyoming faced but struggled against larger schools."

 

Simms' advice to Bills loyalists who'd rather have seen them peg a different future franchise quarterback?

"Don't be second-guessers," he said. "This is the guy that fits Buffalo. He's big, he's mobile, he's meant to live in Antarctica. He's got the fur, he can survive."

 

"Josh Rosen, yeah, he's very polished, but he's a little frail, he's not mobile. Josh Rosen, for the first year or so, he might be the better quarterback. But Josh Allen's not going to get smaller, he can take the punishment. He might slow down, but he's still going to be faster than all these quarterbacks we're talking about except Lamar Jackson."

 

"And he's got (the ability to make) all the throws on the move, which is really important in the NFL. Not that Josh Rosen doesn't have those; it's just not in him to try it that often. And the NFL is this now: everybody is moving to throw the ball. Tom Brady moves out of the pocket and feels that hole or that gap in the defense, he moves to it – right, left and whatever – to make the throw. That is just part of the game and I don't think you can have great success in the league unless you do that."

 

Simms is not calling Allen a perfect quarterback. Far from it. His analysis of Allen's Pro Day video showed, while Allen's skills are more refined than his critics might believe, they're not refined enough.

 

"He has got an unbelievable arm, but there are a few things that he needs to do to really be a machine at quarterback, that he must fix," Simms said.

Two of the biggest are:

 

*Occasionally allowing his arm to get "a little bit too long" in his delivery. "If his hand gets too far away from his shoulders, it goes backward sometimes," Simms said. "Nobody in pro football has success doing that. Yeah, there's probably one or two (exceptions). Russell Wilson winds up and throws it like he's a baseball player, but he has huge hands, grips the ball different from everybody else and he makes it work."

 

*Using his feet to create a "smaller space" from where he throws. "Your right foot (for a right-handed passer) must be under you," Simms said. "That will make him a great short thrower. You can't just say, 'Oh, I'm going to give it touch' and slow your arm down. You've got to turn and be aggressive and (having the proper footwork helps allow) you to fire that ball in there and it's got to be laser-sharp and perfect."

 

How long will it take Allen to make those corrections?

"All he has to be is shown (what to do) and then five minutes later, he's going to go, 'Got it,' " Simms said. "And that's it."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whoa good find! I never read that!

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26 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Whoa good find! I never read that!

 

Thanks - glad you liked that.

 

I heard a lot of what Chris Simms has had to say about Allen the past few years, but after I heard Simms senior say last Sunday that he thought that Allen was one of only 10 or so active QBs in the league capable of handling the tricky winds and conditions in Buffalo I wanted to see if there was any other thoughts from Phil back when Allen was drafted.

 

Found that article (I had not read that before either) and thought he was pretty spot on regarding both Allen and Rosen.

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8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I feel the same way about Cowherd.

 

 

Same. A lot of shock value with Cowherd but I enjoy listening to him for the most part.

 

Cowherd's bet of the week was also Cleveland -6

 

It was dicey but I'm glad I went with my gut and took Bengals +6

 

Good lord is that Bengals defense bad though. But looks like Burrow is the real deal.