Bills release their social justice message

[Lurker]

28 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

I'm betting that by page 13 both sides will find a rational compromise and we can all get back to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

Available for a bargain price...

 

[Chicken Boo]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Obvious Gaslighting.  These people don’t even know what they’re mad at. 
 

Just play football. 
 

 

 

I'm pretty sure they know exactly what they're mad at. 

[Putin]

1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:

well we disagree on that. I'm not gonna burn down my city because of that tho🇺🇸

To bad I could use a new pair of sneakers 👟 

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

 

I'm pretty sure they know exactly what they're mad at. 

Did you asked them ?

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I'll never understand why this stuff makes people angry. If you get upset over this you're part of the problem. I've never been someone that felt racism was a problem in today's America because I never experienced it. Then I see how people react to those who stand up against it and now I understand. 

 

 

Would you feel the same if they spent the same energy promoting the Pro Life movement? 

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

and my post said that 'some' people don't care about social injustice, leaving room for people like you.

Forgive me if I misunderstood your comment. I was under the impression that you were agreeing with the poster you quoted who said:

 

“I'll never understand why this stuff makes people angry. If you get upset over this you're part of the problem.”

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

Of course we all know that there’s dirty , racist, cops out there and I had some bad experience with them more then once 

And all of those dirty cops go drink beers after work, or on weekends with good cops. And their bosses and union reps either hide or keep their written up behavior secret. 

 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Mango

[dickleyjones]

We are all racist. The sooner everyone can get on board with that idea and talk it out, the better.

[HamSandwhich]

5 minutes ago, klos63 said:

You misinterpreted my comment.

Which people are the “some people” you are talking about then? 

[BuffAlone]

1 minute ago, Putin said:

To bad I could use a new pair of sneakers 👟 

I'd gladly buy you a pair of your choice✌

[HamSandwhich]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I'm pretty sure they know exactly what they're mad at. 

Actually, listening to them, no, most do not. It’s a very superficial viewpoint that is clearly surface level. 

[John from Riverside]

10 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

... and football? I’ll high five any of you guys in the stands at a Bills game. 

Im there now.....I am not going to let political opinion get in the way of celebrating with my fellow bills fans

 

Its ok to disagree........brothers and sister's fight......as long as everyone has made up in time for dinner.

[H2o]

Right now I'm watching Notre Dame and there has been no political force feeding or anything else thrown into the broadcast thus far. I hope it's just like this tomorrow with the Bills broadcast. Ending racism starts with the individual. It is our own heart we are responsible for. If you have children then you are responsible for training them in the way they should go. Other than that, the way you treat others is how you will be known. I treat all people the same, with kindness and respect regardless of skin color. I do random acts of kindness for people I don't know. Not for a pat on the back, but because it's what I feel led to do. If you would see me in person I am a shaved bald white guy, with a few tats, and a stocky build because I hit the gym 4 days a week. Easy to be stereotyped and I have been on numerous occasions. It hasn't changed who I am and I just let my actions speak for me. My kids don't look up to athletes because I have explained to them why they shouldn't and I also show them what a man is supposed to be. I show them how they are to treat people and the value of responsibility. They have seen the results first hand of my hard work and endurance through all situations, both in my professional life and my home life, and we have seen both terribly hard times as well as good. I teach them to be leaders and not followers of the latest crowds or fads. If more men were like myself then the world would be a better place, and please don't take that statement as any sort of arrogance because I am not in any way. I just know the importance of a father in their children's lives and the example which must be set. I say all of this to get to the point that I don't have time for people to dictate to me who deserves reverence. I don't have time for people to dictate to me that because of my skin color somehow I have an advantage or have received any sort of preferential treatment. I'm not sorry for how I was born so I will not apologize, or grovel, or submit to a mob trying to tell me otherwise. I have lived my life and know that is not the case, both in everyday life and in dealing law enforcement. I don't support BLM and I don't support all the rest of the mess that has ensued behind it since May. If the broadcast tomorrow is full of this same activity which I just outlined then I won't be watching again. With how Corona gave me a different perspective on things I would imagine that I will adjust just fine if that happens to be the case. You can say whatever you want about anything I just said as well. It is of no consequence to me because though we all share interaction on this board, none of this has any sort of direct effect upon my personal life. To each their own. Their own opinion, their own stances, and their own life to live. Enjoy your Saturday everyone and hopefully the Bills mop the Jets tomorrow.

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

there is NO systemic racism

 

There is so much research on this stuff I think you are crazy if you don't believe it. But whether you believe it or not you have to respect that the players see it as a real issue and they want to drive change. I just think it is crazy a simple video like this gets people up in arms.

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Available for a bargain price...

 

 

It's only page 9.  It could happen.  

[klos63]

9 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

Which people are the “some people” you are talking about then? 

you want names?

10 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Forgive me if I misunderstood your comment. I was under the impression that you were agreeing with the poster you quoted who said:

 

“I'll never understand why this stuff makes people angry. If you get upset over this you're part of the problem.”

Cool, I was giving my point of view on the subject. I agree with his frustration, but I don't put everyone in the same basket.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

16 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Would you feel the same if they spent the same energy promoting the Pro Life movement? 

There was an abortion clinic right next to my kindergarten school in a nice Buffalo suburb. I still remember pro life and pro choice protests ending in brawls.

 

So I've witnessed many pro life protests since I was very young. To answer your question I have no problem with anyone voicing their opinions and protesting in a non-violent manner. 

 

Great thing about the US is not everyone thinks the same or believes in the same thing. Not everyone is religious and no one forces you to be. That is our freedom. It's in the constitution, just like gun rights 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Blank Stare]

1 hour ago, jkeerie said:

I think we need to make a better distinction between Black Lives Matter the organization and black lives matter, the movement.  The former was founded by 3 people, 2 of which are Marxist.  The latter is a movement that isn't really associated with the organization.  The majority aren't even aware the organization exists.

Honest question - Why does it matter? Most people that use that term are referring to the movement. I think people know that and are simply stuck in what they believe. It really shouldn’t bother people as much as it does to say BLM. 

[Victory Formation]

I feel like everybody should have a right to their opinion. A right to be wise, a right to be a fool. Problem I’m having is both sides are forcing me to have an opinion. I’m just unaware of what’s going on in this country and I don’t have enough information to have an opinion. Smart people have doubts but fools are beaming with confidence. For God’s sake I was getting bloodwork done and my phlebotomist poked me like four times with a needle because I didn’t want to talk politics....and I think it was on purpose. Unfortunately the political/social dichotomy in this country is such now that everything is in black and white.. I’m like a chameleon in public, I don’t want to really get involved because I think something really bad is happening right now... I can just feel it in my gut. I fear that no matter which way things play out in this country things will be forever worse. For now you’re either a racist or a Marxist, no middle ground..

[HamSandwhich]

19 minutes ago, klos63 said:

you want names?

Cool, I was giving my point of view on the subject. I agree with his frustration, but I don't put everyone in the same basket.

You’re talking about types of people I’m sure. So what types? 

[klos63]

Just now, HamSandwhich said:

You’re talking about types of people I’m sure. So what types? 

Seriously?  Racists, bigots, neo nazis, white supremacists, MAGAt's.... people in red baseball caps.

[jkeerie]

6 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

Honest question - Why does it matter? Most people that use that term are referring to the movement. I think people know that and are simply stuck in what they believe. It really shouldn’t bother people as much as it does to say BLM. 

It is an honest question.  Some want to broad brush the entire movement as being a Marxist movement....therefore incompatible with our capitalistic society and label the movement negatively.

 

 

[Augie]

Tomorrow we finally play football again!!! 

 

I don’t see a lot of people being educated or opinions being swayed here, so I won’t even try. 

 

But...........tomorrow we play football again!!!    

[HamSandwhich]

4 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Seriously?  Racists, bigots, neo nazis, white supremacists, MAGAt's.... people in red baseball caps.

What is a white supremicist to you? If you believe in the MAGA idea, you’re against all social justice? Just want to make sure I understand. Actual racists, actual neo nazis, actual supremicists, I would agree. However, these terms mean very little anymore as the meaning has been expanded so much that everyone that is not completely compliant with the ideas of social justice will be labeled those terms. 

[Jauronimo]

What has gotten lost as the most extreme claims get all the attention is that questionable use of force, unnecessary shootings, and people dying in similar manners to George Floyd have been happening around the country and it isn't exclusive to black people. These cases do not attract as much media attention.   These cases demand a national discussion on use of force, adoption of body cams, and why its so hard to apparently get rid of bad cops.  Instead we are all arguing about whether the police as an institution is systemically racist which is rather absurd given the makeup of the police force itself.  The raw data that I have seen doesn't seem to back up the narrative that black people are killed by police more often than other races when viewed as a function of violent crime incidence by race.  We still can't pretend that there aren't racist cops out there.  I've seen a handful of stories the past week or two alone of officers caught using racist language.  

 

There is also a discussion on racial bias that is valid and should be happening.   There are studies showing clear evidence of disproportionate sentencing by race and gender.  Racial bias in our legal system is real and cannot be ignored.   Thats just sentencing.  There is a whole system at play determining whether cases are investigated, charges are filed, prosecutors pursue cases, etc.  If we see clear evidence of bias in sentencing its fair to question whether there is bias at play in each of the other steps.

 

The Arbery case is a great example of many of these factors coming together.   Why did it take months for charges to be filed or an arrest to be made?    Had that case not gone all the way up the chain as a result of national outrage from the video being leaked it would have stayed a local issue and there would have been zero repercussions.  How many times does this happen around the country?  Would this case have played out the same were the victim white?  Do black lives matter as much as other lives in the eyes of the law?

[Blank Stare]

42 minutes ago, Putin said:

I haven’t seen anyone having a problem with those comments !! 
 

Tell that to the folks in Kansas City who got a little hot under the collar the other night. 😜

 

Serious question on that - do you think they were booing at the message of unity? OR because it took so long to start the game. I’m a big supporter of this social injustice reckoning, and I’m not bothered by the players using their platform at all, but even I was like “Can we kick the damn ball already?” It’s been a long 8 months and I was pumped to watch again. 😂

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, jkeerie said:

I think we need to make a better distinction between Black Lives Matter the organization and black lives matter, the movement.  The former was founded by 3 people, 2 of which are Marxist.  The latter is a movement that isn't really associated with the organization.  The majority aren't even aware the organization exists.

Im willing to bet the majority of BLM supporters couldn't name a single leader of BLM because it's not political. Many people want to make it political for whatever reason.

Edited September 12, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

What is a white supremicist to you? If you believe in the MAGA idea, you’re against all social justice? Just want to make sure I understand. Actual racists, actual neo nazis, actual supremicists, I would agree. However, these terms mean very little anymore as the meaning has been expanded so much that everyone that is not completely compliant with the ideas of social justice will be labeled those terms. 

In all honesty.....when someone is wearing a maga hat you can pretty much bet what is going  to comout out of their mouth when it opens up.

 

MAGA has become a symbol.....and it is there because of the way the people wearing those hats say and act.

 

Patriotism - good

MAGA - bad

[unbillievable]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Im willing to bet the majority of BLM supporters couldn't name a single leader of BLM because it's not political. Many people want to make it political for whatever reason.

The organization is far-left politically. That is a fact. 

 

The movement itself is calling for the destruction of the culture, history, and government of the United states as a whole (which includes the current Democrats), which is somewhat apolitical, since it includes almost everyone.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

In all honesty.....when someone is wearing a maga hat you can pretty much bet what is going  to comout out of their mouth when it opens up.

 

MAGA has become a symbol.....and it is there because of the way the people wearing those hats say and act.

 

Patriotism - good

MAGA - bad

 

REally?

I find it interesting that the reality of meeting a Maga-hat wearing person is far different than the narrative spouted by the activist left. It usually involves some form of realization of being lied to... and followed by #walkaway

[Johnnycage46]

11 minutes ago, Augie said:

Tomorrow we finally play football again!!! 

 

I don’t see a lot of people being educated or opinions being swayed here, so I won’t even try. 

 

But...........tomorrow we play football again!!!    

Hellz yeah.  Cannot wait.  Making chili, drinking beers, and hopefully watching the Bills throttle the Jets.

[oldmanfan]

Proud of the message they’re sending.  We have to come together as a society.  And that means we can be pro-police and pro-police reform.   We can believe black lives matter and that if a black man commits a crime he should be arrested, just treated the same in that arrest as anyone else.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I just don’t want to see all this stuff when I’m watching a football game. If Allen and Tre want to pony up a 1 mil each for a super bowl or game day commercial spot and talk about this that’s fine, but I don’t want to see it on game day. 
 

We can only hope that the ratings drop to a point where all this stops and just leave the teams in the locker room for the anthem.

 

The players have the money to use a billboard, internet commercials or anyone of about 100 different ways to get a message out for change.
 

Can the players tape vote for Trump or Biden on the back of the helmet?

[BuffAlone]

36 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

There is so much research on this stuff I think you are crazy if you don't believe it. But whether you believe it or not you have to respect that the players see it as a real issue and they want to drive change. I just think it is crazy a simple video like this gets people up in arms.

I'll be honest. I haven't watched it. and I won't. Good on them as teammates and as brothers. But if there is as much research as you claim, why does it only come around every election cycle? It's 1000% hogwash. I've been beaten for having my skin color in the past. No other reason. wrong street, wrong time of day. It is NOT systemic.It's pathetic, brainwashed, self entitled brats who think their ancestors were done wrong and see an opportunity. well, get in line. Every culture has been done wrong by another throughout history. No where in the world do POC have it better than today in the USA. Therefore, it's a myth. it's indoctrination. And only serves the masters that the false flag happens to benefit at any given time. And until THAT fact is accepted, it will never get better for anyone in this entire world.  THAT'S fact

[unbillievable]

Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I just don’t want to see all this stuff when I’m watching a football game. If Allen and Tre want to pony up a 1 mil each for a super bowl or game day commercial spot and talk about this that’s fine, but I don’t want to see it on game day. 
 

We can only hope that the ratings drop to a point where all this stops and just leave the teams in the locker room for the anthem.

 

The players have the money to use a billboard, internet commercials or anyone of about 100 different ways to get a message out for change.
 

Can the players tape vote for Trump or Biden on the back of the helmet?

 

It has been pushed that BLM messaging isn't "political" so they can say whatever they want in support of the left, but anything  in disagreement (to the right) is banned.

 

Pro-choice- not political

Pro-life- banned!

[BuffAlone]

1 minute ago, unbillievable said:

 

It has been pushed that BLM messaging isn't "political" so they can say whatever they want in support of the left, but anything  in disagreement (to the right) is banned.

 

Pro-choice- not political

Pro-life- banned!

exactly right

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

The organization is far-left politically. That is a fact. 

 

The movement itself is calling for the destruction of the culture, history, and government of the United states as a whole (which includes the current Democrats), which is somewhat apolitical, since it includes almost everyone.

 

 

 

You're missing the point. The majority of people saying black lives matter aren't doing so to support the organization. Let's be honest though, the right loves the organization Black Lives Matter because they have something to argue against and make it political. 

 

I've always questioned the organization of BLM and Antifa because facts are they help the right more than the left. These groups help create hate towards the left. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

1 minute ago, unbillievable said:

 

It has been pushed that BLM messaging isn't "political" so they can say whatever they want in support of the left, but anything  in disagreement (to the right) is banned.

 

Pro-choice- not political

Pro-life- banned!

BLM isn’t political? 

[unbillievable]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

You're missing the point. The majority of people saying black lives matter aren't doing so to support the organization. Let's be honest though, the right loves the organization Black Lives Matter because they have something to argue against and make it political. 

 

I've always questioned the organization of BLM and Antifa because facts are they help the right more than the left. These groups help create hate towards the left. 

 

That's in line with conspiracy theory that all the rioters are Nazi's infiltrating the peaceful protestors.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

15 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

The organization is far-left politically. That is a fact. 

 

The movement itself is calling for the destruction of the culture, history, and government of the United states as a whole (which includes the current Democrats), which is somewhat apolitical, since it includes almost everyone.

 

 

 

 

REally?

I find it interesting that the reality of meeting a Maga-hat wearing person is far different than the narrative spouted by the activist left. It usually involves some form of realization of being lied to... and followed by #walkaway

Yes everyone is lieing to you except Fox News and OAN

4 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

 

That's in line with conspiracy theory that all the rioters are Nazi's infiltrating the peaceful protestors.

 

 

Have they found that darn Antifa plane yet?

[unbillievable]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Yes everyone is lieing to you except Fox News and OAN

Have they found that darn Antifa plane yet?

You actually believe the MSM?

 

[I-town Bills]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I was looking forward to tomorrow until this happened. This is it. I’m so done with this team. I can handle the losing and being embarrassed on the football field, but this I can not tolerate. 
 

 

edit: I wasn’t being serious.

I am thru forever last straw man.