You will be arrested if you go to the Bills Stadium on Sunday

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

@Hapless Bills Fan
 

Very respectfully I disagree.  FL my disagreement has nothing to do with any current disputes between competing political agendas we currently see in society, but rather the current legal standard we use in the city and community, in general, regarding business oriented property, but more specifically the parking areas for the same.

 

In short, you really do have to post signage, and that is for simple trespass, let alone arresting somebody (but I would hope the arresting more so applies to actually trying to enter the stadium). 

 

Obviously there is a different standard for personal residences.  However, this is a commercial/business entity with vast parking areas.  You’d have to post initially that they are not allowed to park or trespass.  If I have commercial property in the city I can’t have you car towed for being on my property without giving you proper notice and just having someone say it on the news doesn’t rise to the level of notice concerning the property...I am not even going to get into the topic of arresting someone.  For actual being in the parking lot, though, you need to post in multiple areas on the property.

 

Now, should people be going?  Hell no.  However, I am not going to finish this by saying “just saying”, because there is a little bit more responsibility on authority’s part and commercial property owners by giving requisite notice before taking such extreme actions.

 

Unsure why I'm being tagged here?  Seems the person we'd want would be a lawyer.  Seems like I saw one weighing in up-thread.

[Westside]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

bravo, sir. 

You're quoting me from PPP? LOL!!!

Why don't you quote me on TSW?

 

9 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Can the PPP regulars keep the angst out of the main board 

 

if you want to talk to the politics of this subject start a thread there. 
 

 

Take your own advice.  

[Sherlock Holmes]

11 hours ago, Augie said:

People....we are almost to Bills football kicking off. I know a lot has gone on since.....a playoff game I don’t want to think about. A lot of important social issues are in play here, but can we please focus on being smart and watching our Bills win? 

 

The differences of opinions have a lot of places to be expressed. That’s all good. I just hope it won’t be in EVERY PLACE. 

You're right Augie... they can't stop us all!!! Let's Naruto run straight to the goal posts and tear 'em down (after we win of course)

 

Seriously though... WE'VE GOT A GAME TOMORROW!!!!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, dwight in philly said:

"ya got me"!i guess?

 

You "guess"?  What part of "law abiding citizens don't trespass" requires guesswork on your part?

Seems pretty straightforward to me

 

 

[Kmart128]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

Gee, where should I start?

 

First, “law abiding citizens” don’t trespass on property closed to the public.  Is that difficult to understand?

 

Second, “loot a store and score some sneakers?”  Really?  I don’t think we have to take a large leap to determine where those comments come from, if that’s your first reaction to hearing that trespassers at the football stadium are breaking the law.

 

I’m not going to pretend to know anything about you other than you visit a football message board, but words like those don’t exactly paint a pretty picture of what is in your heart.

 

I mean is it actually private property tho? Dont tax payer dollars pay for everything. That should make it public property and open to tax payers

[Sherlock Holmes]

12 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Wonder what the guy did.  I just hope they decide to let some fans in for the games this year.  You can space people out easily enough.   

Remember when some drunk decided to try and joy ride over fans and hit a port-a-potty and finally wiped out some officers?

 

Today that guy would be celebrated as a hero instead of a psychopath🤡

3 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

There will be one fan tackled on the field for Streaking...

I'll be eating my Josh Jaqs...nobody is catching me!!

 

Also what is the proper mask etiquette here??? I feel like I can get more field time and attention if I don’t wear one

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, Mickey said:

It is a "place of amusement and assembly" so that it may be closed and/or regulated by the governor during a state of emergency to "protect life and property or to bring the emergency under control". Executive Law Section 24. This power is not necessarily limited to public property. Though privately owned, a place of public accommodation would certainly be covered.  

 

Does the closure have to be posted with signage or is public announcement sufficient?

[NoSaint]

11 minutes ago, westside2 said:

You're quoting me from PPP? LOL!!!

Why don't you quote me on TSW?

 

Take your own advice.  

 

On 9/4/2020 at 6:41 PM, westside2 said:

We should have an age limit to be able to post here. You sound like a 12 year old white kid identifying as black. Quit reading ebonics are us and pick up a text book. Maybe we could have a real conversation.

so stuff like this is cool like 3 boards down the list... but here, on tsw, you claim the position of declaring posters rude and condescending. 
 

again, bravo sir. I’ll refer back to my original comment that the schtick isn’t playing well and if that makes me rude, so be it.

[Westside]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

so stuff like this is cool like 3 boards down the list... but here, on tsw, you claim the position of declaring posters rude and condescending. 
 

again, bravo sir. I’ll refer back to my original comment that the schtick isn’t playing well and if that makes me rude, so be it.

You keep being you.

[Kmart128]

If we call it a peaceful protest then trespassing is allowed apparently nowadays....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

I mean is it actually private property tho? Dont tax payer dollars pay for everything. That should make it public property and open to tax payers

 

It is publicly owned but it's leased with specific terms for specific purposes.  Which I believe makes it function legally as private property

 

Public property is not necessarily universally "open to tax payers" even if it normally is.  For example, for several months all the parks (100% public property) in St Louis County Missouri were closed to the public.  The major city parks were open, but with modifications - many streets closed to vehicular traffic, for example.

I do think they had signs saying "park closed" on the barriers blocking streets off, though, so that might be a point.

 

 

1 hour ago, Rochesterian Bills Fan said:

This thread is a ***** show. Mods should probably just pin this thread so fans can see the announcement from the Sheriff and the lock it.

 

I am considering that.

[Teddy KGB]

40 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Can the PPP regulars keep the angst out of the main board 

 

if you want to talk to the politics of this subject start a thread there. 
 

 

#notamod

#day2 

[NoSaint]

32 minutes ago, westside2 said:

You keep being you.

 

Did you think just saying “but that’s PPP” would clear your history of rude and condescending posts? That you could come lecture others about decorum while posting trash like this? Tell us more about how you were naive to think bills fans were nice people, @westside2

 

its quite the game you tried to play

 

 

 

On 8/17/2020 at 1:42 PM, westside2 said:

My God you are one ignorant person. You wonder why lawyers have such an awful reputation. It seems like any moron can become one. 

 

On 8/28/2020 at 12:43 PM, westside2 said:

She looks like a black Lex Luther. Only uglier. Damn what a ugly beast.

 

On 8/27/2020 at 6:46 AM, westside2 said:

Pedophiles and scumbags are the main supporters of biden.

 

On 8/17/2020 at 5:46 AM, westside2 said:

The idiots on the left are worried about the post office!!!

Reason number 9,784 why the liberals are traitors to this country. 

 

On 8/7/2020 at 12:44 PM, westside2 said:

The democrats,even the ones one PPP, are despicable human beings. They are a bunch of scum sucking pieces of trash. If they had an ounce of decency, they would denounce this type of behavior. Instead,all we will here are crickets and the outrage of the people who died from covid. Which we all know they care nothing about them, except to use the deaths as a weapon. Totally useless mouth breathers 

Edited September 12, 2020 by NoSaint

[Comebackkid]

15 hours ago, Beast said:

I’m going and am going to stand right at the border of stadium property and keep placing my one foot on stadium property and then remove it real fast to see if I can get away with it.

 

I plan on doing it hundreds of times unless I get arrested.

Put your left foot in
Your left foot out
Your left foot in
And shake it all about
You do the hokey pokey
And turn yourself around

Now put your right foot in
Your right foot out
Right foot in
Then you shake it all about
And then you do the hokey pokey

[McGahee]

16 hours ago, dwight in philly said:

WOW .. Arrest law abiding citizens for trying to attend a football game ! better off  going  out and loot a store and score  some sneakers  unreal

How is trespassing being a law abiding citizen? lmao

[apuszczalowski]

2 hours ago, T master said:

I Call BS !! They act like this is the plague and they have had something that would help all along .

 

Things will be better after Nov. well for the most part except for the haters they will always hate !! 

Yup, it's all a democratic conspiracy over the US election that the entire world is all participating in and playing along with 

 

I realize most Americans believe the world revolves around them, but this has nothing to do with the election in November.....

[dwight in philly]

12 minutes ago, McGahee said:

How is trespassing being a law abiding citizen? lmao

Compared to the "Peaceful protests"?  

[KD in CA]

16 hours ago, aceman_16 said:

Hmmm "what if" say we are protesting the NFL's institutional racism and do like a BMLM (Bills Mafia Lives Matter) sorta thing?

 

Try to burn down the stadium.  Maybe the news will call you “peaceful protesters”.

[Penfield45]

16 hours ago, dwight in philly said:

WOW .. Arrest law abiding citizens for trying to attend a football game ! better off  going  out and loot a store and score  some sneakers  unreal

 

what? 

 

attending the football game is breaking the law that was set. just sit at home and watch the game like everyone else is doing in the world. 

 

this is why everyone makes fun of americans . so much stupidity in this thread its embarrassing. 

[apuszczalowski]

4 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

Compared to the "Peaceful protests"?  

The streets have not been closed to the public which would warrant trespassing charges?

 

It's not like the police aren't trying to arrest or charge anyone caught looting or burning down buildings. 

[4_kidd_4]

If you try to show up there you’re being nothing but a button pushing dyngus.

 

It’s not a political thing. It’s a dumbass thing.

[dwight in philly]

3 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

The streets have not been closed to the public which would warrant trespassing charges?

 

It's not like the police aren't trying to arrest or charge anyone caught looting or burning down buildings. 

no offense , but have no idea what point you are making 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

2 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

The streets have not been closed to the public which would warrant trespassing charges?

 

It's not like the police aren't trying to arrest or charge anyone caught looting or burning down buildings. 

 

 

 

Some police departments out there are actively not arresting violent protesters because the police are "protesting" that some of their members are being suspended while under investigation for murder. 

[dwight in philly]

7 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

what? 

 

attending the football game is breaking the law that was set. just sit at home and watch the game like everyone else is doing in the world. 

 

this is why everyone makes fun of americans . so much stupidity in this thread its embarrassing. 

my point is that compared to "breaking the law" trying to attend a football game or looting and throwing frozen water bottles at the police should be enforced equally!arresting a friggin guy wanting to watch a football game ? maybe a warning?? 

[Johnnycage46]

4 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

my point is that compared to "breaking the law" trying to attend a football game or looting and throwing frozen water bottles at the police should be enforced equally!arresting a friggin guy wanting to watch a football game ? maybe a warning?? 

 

They literally DID warn people.  We've all been warned.  Then, if you do it...you get arrested.

[iinii]

17 hours ago, T&C said:

Sheriff warns.  I'm going to go low and say 50 get arrested:

 

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/you-will-be-arrested-if-you-go-to-the-bills-stadium-on-sunday-sheriff-warns#:~:text=(WKBW) — Anyone who trespasses,County Sheriff Timothy Howard warns.&text=Erie County Sheriff's Office deputies,perimeter at One Bills Drive.

I will take the over 

17 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

what? 

 

attending the football game is breaking the law that was set. just sit at home and watch the game like everyone else is doing in the world. 

 

this is why everyone makes fun of americans . so much stupidity in this thread its embarrassing. 

Foreigners read this thread?

[Penfield45]

7 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

my point is that compared to "breaking the law" trying to attend a football game or looting and throwing frozen water bottles at the police should be enforced equally!arresting a friggin guy wanting to watch a football game ? maybe a warning?? 

 

those protesters who threw stuff at police got arrested, gassed, beaten in the streets like animals. 

 

you want equal treatment? Maybe they should gas fans who enter the stadium. 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Penfield45

[dwight in philly]

Just now, Penfield45 said:

 

those protesters who threw stuff at police got arrested, gassed, beaten in the streets like animals. 

 

you want equal treatment? Maybe they should gas fans who enter the stadium. 

When? never mind.. not wasting time ,.. i get your agenda. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Why can 17,000 fans go to the game in KC last nite and noone can go to the Bills game?  

 

Makes no sense whatsoever.  Do all you posters on here who live in WNY actually like living in such a tyrannical environment?  I get the Buffalo News on line everyday.  I used to actually like reading it beyond just about the Bills and Sabres.  But now every article is something about Covid.  Its insane.  I delete the e mail everyday now.  No wonder so many are so scared.  If that's all you read about, how else would one think?  Much sympathies to you all from Paup.  I get to love the Bills and live where we actually have freedom to choose how we want to live.  Go Bills!!

 

I don't think I'm an easily scared person.  In my teens I was an EMT and worked a major ER in Boston.  I've faced down some stuff.  I'm science- and data-driven and basically don't watch TV news; I mostly get my pandemic information from scientists I respect and data sources I can vet.  If "tyrannical environment" means one in which covid-19 response is driven by sound epidemiology vs. politics, religion, and perceived economic gain, I would gladly live there in a heartbeat.

I'm not sure exactly where you live that you're "free to live exactly how you want to live", but here in Missouri where epidemiology has taken a firm back seat to politics, most of us aren't, in fact, "free" in that regard, especially our Seniors and people with preexisting conditions common to about 45% of Americans like hypertension, diabetes, obesity, and heart disease.  It was likely poor public health policy to let those 17,000 people into Arrowhead as the diagnosed level of covid-19 cases indicates that it's near certainty that in a gathering of 1000 people someone will be infected, and a cluster of cases are quite likely to result from it, but we aren't driving MO with public health policy.

Let's leave the "tyrannical response" aside and insert a few facts about Missouri's response to the pandemic.  Shutdowns and mask ordinances are left to individual counties, which doesn't work worth crap because when restaurants and shops in County A are closed, people just drive 10 miles to County B and dine in or shop.   We've been rockin' along >10% test positivity for weeks now, meaning we have no freakin' clue how bad the pandemic actually is in MO because we aren't testing nearly enough.  We haven't been below the 5% metric suggested for reopening since June 21.

It's quite difficult to get a test here.   I had a friend with 103 degree fever, aches, chills, took me all afternoon to find a place where she could get a test in 3 days (!!!!) and results took 10 days to come back.  Sick or exposed people understandably don't want to wait in line for hours to get tested with that turn-around Meaningful contact tracing can't take place in those circs.  We don't have much contact tracing and public cooperation with contact tracing is poor in any event so exposure is usually unknown.  Covid-19 in MO has moved from primarily in urban areas with good hospital capacity, to rural areas with limited hospital capacity serving populations where obesity, diabetes, and high blood pressure are common.  That's where a lot of my relatives live and we're scared for them.  On a per capita basis the NW and SE of the state are "red" with covid-19 cases, which means the clock is ticking on virus getting into the rural congregate living facilities via the staff (who are not being routinely tested).  Most people echo our governor who says "I'm not going to tell people to wear a Dang Mask!"  Easy, common sense infection precautions are rare outside hospitals. 

Covid-19 has devastated nursing homes in our state without any policy requiring covid-19 patients to be re-admitted - it comes in via staff.  A friend's dad's facility considered to be quite good - 90 residents: 66 got covid-19, 29 died of it (he survived).  That's a 44% infection fatality rate (since the whole facility was tested).  Meanwhile our elders are totally isolated, bereft of the regular family visits that gave pleasure and meaning to their lives.  I am scared for my Mom's life now as she is in a rehab center (aka "nursing home") recovering from 2 surgically repaired broken bones.  Yes, she has a pre-existing condition, heart disease, but it's been stable and controlled for years.   If she contracts covid-19 and dies, "congestive heart failure" will be listed on her death certificate but she will die of covid-19.  Without it, she could easily live for another decade with the CHF and see her granddaughter graduate, get married, and have kids.  Until the fall she was living independently, driving, cooking for herself, doing her own laundry, no personal care needed.

 

The "perceived economic gain" bit isn't working too well.   A lot of the public here are still staying home in droves and deferring their spending on vacations, home remodeling etc. This includes many of my neighbors who are staunch supporters of the President but independent in their information gathering and believe science (vs people who claim to be independent but suck all their info off Infowars, Breitbart, OAN, and "a website with some unidentified owner").  They are worried about infecting their elderly parents, they wear masks, they get contactless grocery pickup, they aren't out shopping and spending in the community.  Restaurants and small business are starting to die the "death of 1000 cuts" as this drags on.  And it is dragging on with no end in site - cases rising and rising, and the death rate has crept up to equal its May peak, with no indication it will turn around. 

Well, OK, I won't go back and forth on this - take it to the covid-19 threads - but I thought it was useful to interject a few facts here.  It would actually make more sense to have fans at games in WNY than in KC right now, but WNY is still at a level where a gathering of 1000 people has near-certainty to include covid-19 infected people and NY seems to be driving public policy with epidemiology pretty much.  I think if people in WNY would lock-in and bring the infection rate down to match surrounding areas, fans can happen this season. 

 

NYS may err on the side of being too conservative, but living in a state that errs on the side of taking few reasonable precautions like MO, I'm not so clear on where the tyranny lies.  Over and out.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

If you try to show up there you’re being nothing but a button pushing dyngus.

It’s not a political thing. It’s a dumbass thing.

 

I got to vote with the kidd here.

[NoSaint]

29 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

my point is that compared to "breaking the law" trying to attend a football game or looting and throwing frozen water bottles at the police should be enforced equally!arresting a friggin guy wanting to watch a football game ? maybe a warning?? 

I believe the announcement is the warning here. Whether it is heeded is up to you. If you don’t like the consequences, it’s up to you to decide how to push back.

 

it is difficult to enforce the rules across crowds of people sometimes. Some will inevitably get away unseen and many acts will be hard to prove in a court of law even if arrested. I agree that a guy throwing a frozen water bottle should be arrested and prosecuted and subject to the legal system. Will they consistently be able to ID that person and convict him? Probably not as often as we’d like. 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by NoSaint

[Teddy KGB]

53 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

Compared to the "Peaceful protests"?  

It’s just property 🥴🥴🤣

[Lurker]

3 hours ago, westside2 said:

You're another one who comes across as judgmental and condescending. Does that make you feel better about yourself to talk down to people?

 

LOL.   I'll admit, I'm VERY judgemental...and appeciative of the 'ignore user' feature, which I use liberally frequently...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

42 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

my point is that compared to "breaking the law" trying to attend a football game or looting and throwing frozen water bottles at the police should be enforced equally!arresting a friggin guy wanting to watch a football game ? maybe a warning?? 

 

I don't think they should be enforced equally and I don't think they would be.  I think someone who can be positively identified as throwing something at a law enforcement officer or as looting/destroying property should face much harsher charges - and I think factually speaking, they do and will.

 

I'm not sure what "warning" someone would do in these circumstances.  If they've been told not to do something, that seems like a warning to me.  If they show up and do it anyway...how do you stop them?  They've already been warned.  Being there anyway seems like evidence they don't take warning seriously.

 

If you believe that people who are committing a non-violent crime such as trespassing on stadium property should be warned vs forcefully thrown to the ground, forcibly subdued in a way that causes bodily harm or death, arrested....can you not see the point of the protests?   Citizens who are committing non-violent crimes such as passing a counterfit bill, having a tail-light burnt out, selling cigarettes illegally etc are being harmed or killed by LEO who stop them - sometimes while several brother officers are on hand and do not intervene.  The situation appears to be ongoing and not being addressed in a meaningful way to effect change. 

That some idiots take advantage of the protest situation to destroy property, loot, and become violent does not cancel the original point motivating the protests.  IMO of course.

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, T master said:

I Call BS !! They act like this is the plague and they have had something that would help all along .

 

Things will be better after Nov. well for the most part except for the haters they will always hate !! 

 

 

Who?

[LabattBlue]

I hear there is a nice view of the lake from the county executives office.   Building has to be taxpayer funded.  I’d like to watch the game from there on Sunday(probably has a nice tv).   Anyone know if I would be trespassing, and if so, be arrested?

[Bob in STL]

I just read 12 pages of this ... most of it funny and some pretty sad.  
 

I don’t understand why people don’t see the purpose in what they are doing.  It’s simple - public safety.  No more than that.  It’s inconvenient but best for the greater good.   Let’s start thinking in those terms.  

Things are bad now and there is a serious leadership void.  I talking about both parties too. 
.  
 

 

[Mike in Horseheads]

6 hours ago, T master said:

I Call BS !! They act like this is the plague and they have had something that would help all along .

 

Things will be better after Nov. well for the most part except for the haters they will always hate !! 

Who is they and what is it they are holding back to help?

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

If you try to show up there you’re being nothing but a button pushing dyngus.

 

It’s not a political thing. It’s a dumbass thing.

you misspelled dingus

5 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

LOL.   I'll admit, I'm VERY judgemental...and appeciative of the 'ignore user' feature, which I use liberally frequently...

am I still on ignore

so harsh dude

[CEN-CAL17]

19k fans at the Florida St game today....

 

and Buffalo can’t have a single fan. Makes since!