Virgil Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/with-an-eye-to-2021-what-hauschka-cut-dawkins-deal-mean-for-bills/article_be8c1560-e928-11ea-9f2b-8f56afed8992.html Interesting article and something to think about. I think the TV deal gets done and the cap goes up, but if it doesn’t... Tre can probably be re-signed in a way that works with the cap because of what he’ll be owed for his 5th year. But Milano, some of the other guys coming up? I think Beane is operating the right way and the Hausch cut makes more sense. Star deferring to next year I think hurts us a little, as I think he would have been a cut. Either way, a lot of teams could be in some trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 The salary cap is fluid and above the heads of fans, with all due respect. Let the leaders lead. I understand the apprehension but truly, it’s a moving target 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 They are not sitting too bad. They might make a few decisions on the final roster this year due to money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I’ve said it before-if a team like the cowboys can pay all of the guys they are paying, if the Chiefs can afford all of the contracts on their roster including Mahomes huge deal, the 49ers have several large contracts as do the Seahawks, I’m not even a little bit concerned about the Bills guys getting paid. We just aren’t used to having guys that will get paid a second contract here. This is pretty much a “nothing to see here” issue 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 With Beane at the Healm we are in better shape than 70% of the teams. The players due for contracts are gonna be the most hurt. Lots of two year deals I suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Bills in good shape if the cap drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 If the cap craters the whole league will have cap problems like Virgil said. Good thing that CBA was just signed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I agree with you. I think there will be a lot of contracts restructured around the entire league before next season. Owners and GM's aren't going to destroy their rosters if there are workable alternatives. The Dawkins contract was a good indicator of Beane's approach at least through 2021. I think there are some veterans that will be on the roster this year but will be gone for 2021. You mentioned Star and I would also include DiMarco, Kroft, Murphy, Lee Smith, and Yeldon. Beane's done a good job handling the cap up to this point and I believe he will continue to do so. Teams like the Eagles ($86m over next year) have a much bigger problem than the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 They have a bunch of cap money this year that will roll onto next year and give them additional space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Virgil said: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/with-an-eye-to-2021-what-hauschka-cut-dawkins-deal-mean-for-bills/article_be8c1560-e928-11ea-9f2b-8f56afed8992.html Interesting article and something to think about. I think the TV deal gets done and the cap goes up, but if it doesn’t... Tre can probably be re-signed in a way that works with the cap because of what he’ll be owed for his 5th year. But Milano, some of the other guys coming up? I think Beane is operating the right way and the Hausch cut makes more sense. Star deferring to next year I think hurts us a little, as I think he would have been a cut. Either way, a lot of teams could be in some trouble. That analysis is slightly flawed - the key number for some players is not the cap hit but the deadcap since the team can walk away from several contracts like Butler, Jefferson, Hughes, Klein etc. with minimal cap hits. Beane has done a good job frontloading a lot of the FA contracts from this year -so they are not a drain on future cap space. Additionally, we always have the option to take the Philly, KC or Saints approach and restructure deals to reduce cap hits in 2021. Bottomline; our cap situation next year is very fine - we can easily sign a Clowney or Ngakoue without batting an eyelid - though Beane will refer to the potential reduced cap in public at every opportunity since it is useful in negotiating contract extensions. Edited August 30, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Virgil said: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/with-an-eye-to-2021-what-hauschka-cut-dawkins-deal-mean-for-bills/article_be8c1560-e928-11ea-9f2b-8f56afed8992.html Interesting article and something to think about. I think the TV deal gets done and the cap goes up, but if it doesn’t... Tre can probably be re-signed in a way that works with the cap because of what he’ll be owed for his 5th year. But Milano, some of the other guys coming up? I think Beane is operating the right way and the Hausch cut makes more sense. Star deferring to next year I think hurts us a little, as I think he would have been a cut. Either way, a lot of teams could be in some trouble. A lot of teams could be in real trouble, but the Bills aren’t one of them. They’re spending and things will tighten, but they aren’t in real trouble. I don’t know that Milano gets extended, but decisions like that have to be made as the talent level rises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) Lol. every team will have issues if Covid19 impacts the NFL. over the cap 2021 With a lower cap of $175 Bills $15,540,556 https://overthecap.com/nfl-asks-for-175m-2021-salary-cap/ Edited August 30, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Lol. every team will have issues if Covid19 impacts the NFL. over the cap 2021 With a lower cap of $175 Bills $15,540,556 https://overthecap.com/nfl-asks-for-175m-2021-salary-cap/ Exactly. What's the point of saying "overspent" lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Virgil said: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/with-an-eye-to-2021-what-hauschka-cut-dawkins-deal-mean-for-bills/article_be8c1560-e928-11ea-9f2b-8f56afed8992.html Interesting article and something to think about. I think the TV deal gets done and the cap goes up, but if it doesn’t... Tre can probably be re-signed in a way that works with the cap because of what he’ll be owed for his 5th year. But Milano, some of the other guys coming up? I think Beane is operating the right way and the Hausch cut makes more sense. Star deferring to next year I think hurts us a little, as I think he would have been a cut. Either way, a lot of teams could be in some trouble. Not really something to worry about TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) The cap is not going up next year. It will be $175 million. Edited August 30, 2020 by Tuco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Virgil said: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/with-an-eye-to-2021-what-hauschka-cut-dawkins-deal-mean-for-bills/article_be8c1560-e928-11ea-9f2b-8f56afed8992.html Interesting article and something to think about. I think the TV deal gets done and the cap goes up, but if it doesn’t... Tre can probably be re-signed in a way that works with the cap because of what he’ll be owed for his 5th year. But Milano, some of the other guys coming up? I think Beane is operating the right way and the Hausch cut makes more sense. Star deferring to next year I think hurts us a little, as I think he would have been a cut. Either way, a lot of teams could be in some trouble. Evidently, some do not believe Beane is a witch. In all seriousness, the planning we don't see at OBD is tremendous. It's there, for example, in the hours they spend prepping for UFA, the draft, and coaches looking at their next opponent. I'm sure there are other examples. Managing contingencies and war-gaming different scenarios is what good administrators do. It's obvious that front office types have adapted to the cap and been able to mitigate the restrictions. Gone are the days when teams like SF and DAL got into cap trouble like they did in the mid-90s. Teams are smarter and I'm confident Beane will maneuver any way he has to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: I agree with you. I think there will be a lot of contracts restructured around the entire league before next season. Owners and GM's aren't going to destroy their rosters if there are workable alternatives. The Dawkins contract was a good indicator of Beane's approach at least through 2021. I think there are some veterans that will be on the roster this year but will be gone for 2021. You mentioned Star and I would also include DiMarco, Kroft, Murphy, Lee Smith, and Yeldon. Beane's done a good job handling the cap up to this point and I believe he will continue to do so. Teams like the Eagles ($86m over next year) have a much bigger problem than the Bills. Most of those guys are not contracted to be here next season anyway. I think Smith is contracted for 2021 but they are not saving any cap dollars on the others as they are all out of contract after this season. That said this is a non-issue. The Bills have plenty of ways to move money around on deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 If the bills are in trouble then most of the rest of league is even worse off. I really think the nfl will find a way to keep the cap flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 9 hours ago, Virgil said: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/with-an-eye-to-2021-what-hauschka-cut-dawkins-deal-mean-for-bills/article_be8c1560-e928-11ea-9f2b-8f56afed8992.html Interesting article and something to think about. I think the TV deal gets done and the cap goes up, but if it doesn’t... Tre can probably be re-signed in a way that works with the cap because of what he’ll be owed for his 5th year. But Milano, some of the other guys coming up? I think Beane is operating the right way and the Hausch cut makes more sense. Star deferring to next year I think hurts us a little, as I think he would have been a cut. Either way, a lot of teams could be in some trouble. Thanks for sharing the article Virg, and using the $175 mil. model, there are only around 6-7 teams that can roll over their space to potentially cover the drop given if they don’t have ballooning contracts coming up in 21. Yolo’s right, the cap is a moving target, and Mark Gaughen was on point that Hauschka was not just a talent decision, but a cost cutting one. Don’t be surprised if no one picks him up, we bring him back to the PS at the league minimum. There are so many variable, it is very difficult to make predictions. For example, because Star opted out, even if we cut him next year, we still owe him for this years compensation minus the $350k. It’s also why fans that say, oh well, Clowney is now going to the Pats. The Pats May be towards the top in cap space, but they have to pay next year on a shrunken cap all of those opt out s they keep or their salaries this year. Talking about the cap is like going to Fat Tuesday’s, drinking too fast one of those daiquiris, and getting a brain freeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) It's way too early to even speculate about this. I also doubt the owners and players will agree to allow the cap to be reduced by a significant amount. Edited August 30, 2020 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Thanks for sharing the article Virg, and using the $175 mil. model, there are only around 6-7 teams that can roll over their space to potentially cover the drop given if they don’t have ballooning contracts coming up in 21. Yolo’s right, the cap is a moving target, and Mark Gaughen was on point that Hauschka was not just a talent decision, but a cost cutting one. Don’t be surprised if no one picks him up, we bring him back to the PS at the league minimum. There are so many variable, it is very difficult to make predictions. For example, because Star opted out, even if we cut him next year, we still owe him for this years compensation minus the $350k. It’s also why fans that say, oh well, Clowney is now going to the Pats. The Pats May be towards the top in cap space, but they have to pay next year on a shrunken cap all of those opt out s they keep or their salaries this year. Talking about the cap is like going to Fat Tuesday’s, drinking too fast one of those daiquiris, and getting a brain freeze. We could see Trent Murphy released as well to cap for next season. They really like Darryl Johnson and Bryan Cox jr is having a good camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Stampede, the only reason I didn’t bring up Murphy is it’s already been talked about so much, but I was thinking the exact same thing. I don’t know much about Cox in this camp, but if Johnson is close to Murphy, he’s gone. Any thought of a cap problem goes away and may even encourage Beane to do the same thing with Milano as Dawkins as they get to lump in this cheap rookie year with a fair market contract. That becomes possible if we decide Murphy isn’t that much better than Johnson. I trust Beane, but I would have peace of mind if we finished it now, take advantage of spreading things out over five years. I expect and will be very happy if this and a Beane extension happens now. Considering McD’s extension, it is absolutely amazing to think the coaching GM tandem would be over our Bills for eight years. We can hope and pray after several deep playoff runs, they do another extension for these guys in 2024, so we now keep the security of a team like the Steelers up to 14 years and growing. This kind of continuity bodes well for success. Just look at the Steelers history over the last 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 10 hours ago, Virgil said: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/with-an-eye-to-2021-what-hauschka-cut-dawkins-deal-mean-for-bills/article_be8c1560-e928-11ea-9f2b-8f56afed8992.html Interesting article and something to think about. I think the TV deal gets done and the cap goes up, but if it doesn’t... Tre can probably be re-signed in a way that works with the cap because of what he’ll be owed for his 5th year. But Milano, some of the other guys coming up? I think Beane is operating the right way and the Hausch cut makes more sense. Star deferring to next year I think hurts us a little, as I think he would have been a cut. Either way, a lot of teams could be in some trouble. I think the TV deal gets done. It always has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, nucci said: It's way too early to even speculate about this. I also doubt the owners and players will agree to allow the cap to be reduced by a significant amount. They have already agreed to the framework concerning the cap reduction. Thus the 175 million number that everyone is using (including Beane). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: They have already agreed to the framework concerning the cap reduction. Thus the 175 million number that everyone is using (including Beane). ok kinda missed that but that's the minimum number. It could go higher, just not lower. New TV deals could increase it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 A potentially lower cap is why a player like Reggie Gilliam has a chance to unseat Patrick DiMarco and what made it a bit easier for the Bills to take a chance on Tyler Bass instead of an expensive veteran. That's not the only reason Buffalo let Stephen Hauschka go, but it did make it easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, Ya Digg? said: If the Chiefs can afford all of the contracts on their roster including Mahomes huge deal, the 49ers have several large contracts as do the Seahawks, I’m not even a little bit concerned about the Bills guys getting paid. Same - we can afford to keep plenty of our players. The Chiefs had ~$200 of 2020 cap space before Mahomes, Kelce and Jones were signed. No, that's not a typo. They found a way, and barring the Pegulas going cheap, so will we. Edited August 31, 2020 by TheElectricCompany 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 22 hours ago, Virgil said: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/with-an-eye-to-2021-what-hauschka-cut-dawkins-deal-mean-for-bills/article_be8c1560-e928-11ea-9f2b-8f56afed8992.html Interesting article and something to think about. I think the TV deal gets done and the cap goes up, but if it doesn’t... Tre can probably be re-signed in a way that works with the cap because of what he’ll be owed for his 5th year. But Milano, some of the other guys coming up? I think Beane is operating the right way and the Hausch cut makes more sense. Star deferring to next year I think hurts us a little, as I think he would have been a cut. Either way, a lot of teams could be in some trouble. Do we save much by cutting Star next season. If the replacements do well, he may be expendable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 15 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Thanks for sharing the article Virg, and using the $175 mil. model, there are only around 6-7 teams that can roll over their space to potentially cover the drop given if they don’t have ballooning contracts coming up in 21. Yolo’s right, the cap is a moving target, and Mark Gaughen was on point that Hauschka was not just a talent decision, but a cost cutting one. Don’t be surprised if no one picks him up, we bring him back to the PS at the league minimum. There are so many variable, it is very difficult to make predictions. For example, because Star opted out, even if we cut him next year, we still owe him for this years compensation minus the $350k. It’s also why fans that say, oh well, Clowney is now going to the Pats. The Pats May be towards the top in cap space, but they have to pay next year on a shrunken cap all of those opt out s they keep or their salaries this year. Talking about the cap is like going to Fat Tuesday’s, drinking too fast one of those daiquiris, and getting a brain freeze. Hauschka is not signing for PS minimum - they changed the rules and capped amount players on PS can be paid. He has try out for Titans. https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/30/tennessee-titans-working-out-k-stephen-hauschka/ https://www.si.com/college/ncstate/football/ncstate-wolfpack-football-nfl-kicker-steven-hauschka-tryout-titans Compensation next year for Star does NOT go down $350K - there are two types of payments for COVID-19 - opt out because I feel like it is an advance and the other is medical and is not an advance. I do not think they plan on cutting Star next year - it is why his contract was redone before COVID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, klos63 said: Do we save much by cutting Star next season. If the replacements do well, he may be expendable Sadly not. We did before he opted out. But it moved his 2020 money into 2021. Edited August 31, 2020 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 It is way too early to speculate about this. Honestly if there is a significant decrease in the cap the owners will either "smooth" it out over a series of years or trigger a clawback provision in the CBA to have the players take a paycut based on their contracts being a proportion of the cap (the CBA stipulates that the players get a percentage of the football revenue.) Or the NFL could keep the cap flat or cut it by a small amount and then have the players take a cut on their back end revenue (mostly merchandising revenue.) Either way the NFL is not going to have a competitive position where 90% of the league is dramatically at or over the cap and the players want to ensure the new crop of free agents isn't screwed. I can't see a drastic 23 million cut in the cap. I think at most they would cut the cap 5-10 million and then make up the other 8-13 million by increasing the cap less the next 3 seasons. Or keep the cap relatively flat and then have the players put money in escrow and claw it back on the back end. The "doomsday" scenario of a 23 million dollar cut in the cap isn't likely to happen without some sort of control mechanism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I could see the NFL elimination or changing dead cap rules if it does Tank with COVID. NFLPA will also agree to accounting hanged as well because they won’t want their players hitting the street in mass with no way to sign them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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